Is This Stupid or What?

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Hey guys,

This may be either a huge waste of my time but it might bring value to someone out there.

I am on the edge on writing an ebook right now about the mindset of getting things done because this is become a problem that's growing in the marketplace, too many great ideas and not enough will to do them.

So this is where I need to know if there is anybody out there that would actually TAKE this book and APPLY it. Are there people left that want the final result of this book, being able to have an idea and making it come to life?

That's what this whole business is about, getting the thought and materializing it so others can get the value from it.

Tell me your thoughts because I really want to be able to help the marketplace, even if it's just one person, that's fine. That means I did my job.
#discipline #ebook #execution #ideas #stupid
  • Profile picture of the author Grey Affiliate
    The ebook market is HUGE, as long as there's people wanting it - and it sounds like you're planning something people would want (if it looks good I'd buy it)

    I'd have a look at other ebooks around that area and see how they're making it work - have a look at the most popular and take what they're doing right and apply it to yours. If you do write it though, PM me and give me the heads up.
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  • Profile picture of the author harperdy
    Thank you so much for yours response, yes I'm going to go look at the other books out and see the positioning of their book, good thinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    It's not something people here want. Most people on this forum are looking for fast and easy ways to make money.

    The personal development, self help market is huge. And it's crowded. One thing you need to ask yourself is why would someone to buy your book when there are 100s of well known self help gurus out there. Not saying you can't be successful but you're going to have a tough time competing against some of the icons of this market. Might be wise to promote self help products as an affiliate first and build a list. Then you can break into the business gradually. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Grey Affiliate
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      It's not something people here want. Most people on this forum are looking for fast and easy ways to make money.

      The personal development, self help market is huge. And it's crowded. One thing you need to ask yourself is why would someone to buy your book when there are 100s of well known self help gurus out there. Not saying you can't be successful but you're going to have a tough time competing against some of the icons of this market. Might be wise to promote self help products as an affiliate first and build a list. Then you can break into the business gradually. Good luck.
      I disagree, yes the personal dev market is crowded - but 99% of it is the same. If you get a new angle, it sells. the hardest part is finding that angle(as with anything). The promotion is another part of it but finding a good angle (even on a saturated niche) makes it hundreds of times easier.
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by Grey Affiliate View Post

        I disagree, yes the personal dev market is crowded - but 99% of it is the same. If you get a new angle, it sells.
        Is that so? Care to give me a couple of examples. :rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Grey Affiliate
          Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

          Is that so? Care to give me a couple of examples. :rolleyes:
          That's the first thing you look at when looking at a niche, finding a new angle. I've bought several personal development ebooks and the ones that I've gone for are ones that stand out and aren't the same as the others. Most of them are the same fluff but if you coat anything in a coat of paint it will look new. Look at most of the top ebooks in the niche and you'll see that they've found an angle (I'm talking about Amazon)

          Are you saying that new angles don't work?
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          • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
            Originally Posted by Grey Affiliate View Post

            That's the first thing you look at when looking at a niche, finding a new angle. I've bought several personal development ebooks and the ones that I've gone for are ones that stand out and aren't the same as the others. Most of them are the same fluff but if you coat anything in a coat of paint it will look new. Look at most of the top ebooks in the niche and you'll see that they've found an angle (I'm talking about Amazon)

            Are you saying that new angles don't work?
            I'm saying that after 11 years in this market it's pretty much all been done. What people are looking for is proven stuff. Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy, Deepak Chopra, Mark Victor Hansen, the list goes on and on.

            The real stuff isn't fluff waiting for a paint job. And that gets back to my point. People in this market are expected to be walking the walk, not looking to knock off something and give it a paint job.

            You could get lucky with such nonsense but I can guarantee it won't last long. Most of the people in this market are sincere and in it for the long term.

            As for the OP, if you're serious and feel you have something to offer then jump in. But it takes time to build credibility and gain momentum. This isn't some MMO Ninja, "done for you" BS that impresses people with fake earnings screenshots and hundred dollar bills swirling around in the air. You're going to need to be successful yourself if you expect people to believe you. Good luck.
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            • Profile picture of the author Grey Affiliate
              Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

              I'm saying that after 11 years in this market it's pretty much all been done. What people are looking for is proven stuff. Tony Robbins, Brian Tracy, Deepak Chopra, Mark Victor Hansen, the list goes on and on.

              The real stuff isn't fluff waiting for a paint job. And that gets back to my point. People in this market are expected to be walking the walk, not looking to knock off something and give it a paint job.

              You could get lucky with such nonsense but I can guarantee it won't last long. Most of the people in this market are sincere and in it for the long term.

              As for the OP, if you're serious and feel you have something to offer then jump in. But it takes time to build credibility and gain momentum. This isn't some MMO Ninja, "done for you" BS that impresses people with fake earnings screenshots and hundred dollar bills swirling around in the air. You're going to need to be successful yourself if you expect people to believe you. Good luck.
              If all people are looking for is rock solid 'proven' things, then nothing will get better. It's with people changing and expanding thing (finding new angles in the niche) that anything moves forward.

              Personally, I'd prefer a well documented theory than an aged X that produced X 12 months ago, and that's what I'd be willing to put my money on. (I know, kind of another area - same basic principle)

              This is going very close to hijacking @harperdy 's thread though - so sorry

              All I'm saying is if you find a new angle for the personal dev niche (or an niche) you'll find it 100's of times easier to sell. Some people will only buy tried and proven methods that (*sometimes*) don't work today (although I like these too) - but I'd prefer to read/listen/view things that may happen tomorrow.

              That's just me though, but if I'm saying it there must be more thinking it right? Or am I a freak (please don't say I'm a freak)
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    • Profile picture of the author Teravel
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      It's not something people here want. Most people on this forum are looking for fast and easy ways to make money.
      If that was true, I doubt there would be an entire section devoted to it...

      Mind Warriors - Success, Power, Self-Improvement

      So this is where I need to know if there is anybody out there that would actually TAKE this book and APPLY it.
      This question can't be answered. The question you need to ask is "Will my writing inspire it's readers to get out of their own way, and take action towards things that will improve their life?"

      When it comes to this type of book, it's not about telling people what they are doing wrong and how to fix it. It's about connecting on a deeper level with your reader, and helping them come to their own solution.

      I've read a lot of free reports on this topic, and would never spend money on this topic. Of course, that's just me. It's up to you to find people that are willing to spend money on your product.

      If the book flops, you could always break it apart and turn it into a website for affiliate earnings.
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by Teravel View Post

        If that was true, I doubt there would be an entire section devoted to it...

        Mind Warriors - Success, Power, Self-Improvement



        This question can't be answered. The question you need to ask is "Will my writing inspire it's readers to get out of their own way, and take action towards things that will improve their life?"

        When it comes to this type of book, it's not about telling people what they are doing wrong and how to fix it. It's about connecting on a deeper level with your reader, and helping them come to their own solution.

        I've read a lot of free reports on this topic, and would never spend money on this topic. Of course, that's just me. It's up to you to find people that are willing to spend money on your product.

        If the book flops, you could always break it apart and turn it into a website for affiliate earnings.
        Tell you what. Go to the WSO forum and count the personal development offers. You'd have to go back 10 pages before you'd get three. You believe what you want though.
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        • Profile picture of the author Teravel
          Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

          Tell you what. Go to the WSO forum and count the personal development offers. You'd have to go back 10 pages before you'd get three. You believe what you want though.
          You're right, there aren't that many WSO's in the Self-Help niche. WSO Section aside, there is an entire Sub-Forum devoted to this niche. Many of the regulars in that sub-forum have links in their signature that leads back to websites about... Self-Help Topics.

          Care to give me a couple of examples.
          Google Keyword Planner shows a CPC range of $0.38 to $25.97 with Hundreds of Thousands of monthly searches.

          Clickbank has 450 products in the Self-Help section, removing all products with a Gravity of 0. Doing a blank search in the Clickbank Marketplace orders all of it's listings by Popularity, showing a Self-Help product as the Fourth product. The fourth Most-Popular product is a SELF HELP product.

          Amazon has 290,526 books in the Self-Help category.


          Being an Internet Marketer isn't about creating the perfect product or doing something that hasn't been done before. It's about connecting a person with a specific problem, with a solution that they can afford and will help solve their problem.

          If you don't know how to connect people with solutions to their problems, you are in the wrong game.

          The personal development, self help market is huge. And it's crowded.
          Facts & Statistics | Anxiety and Depression Association of America, ADAA

          $42 BILLION Dollar Industry
          Most Common Mental Illness in the US, effecting almost 20% of the population!

          This isn't even the entire market. Not only that, it's Increasing in our population!

          Limiting your view to the WSO section is like a fish deciding to live in a puddle next to the ocean. Sooner or later, you'll be all dried up. Jump in the ocean, expand your horizons, and stop limiting your view to what you think is possible, and start reaching for the plausible.
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          • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
            Originally Posted by Teravel View Post

            You're right, there aren't that many WSO's in the Self-Help niche. WSO Section aside, there is an entire Sub-Forum devoted to this niche. Many of the regulars in that sub-forum have links in their signature that leads back to websites about... Self-Help Topics.



            Google Keyword Planner shows a CPC range of $0.38 to $25.97 with Hundreds of Thousands of monthly searches.

            Clickbank has 450 products in the Self-Help section, removing all products with a Gravity of 0. Doing a blank search in the Clickbank Marketplace orders all of it's listings by Popularity, showing a Self-Help product as the Fourth product. The fourth Most-Popular product is a SELF HELP product.

            Amazon has 290,526 books in the Self-Help category.


            Being an Internet Marketer isn't about creating the perfect product or doing something that hasn't been done before. It's about connecting a person with a specific problem, with a solution that they can afford and will help solve their problem.

            If you don't know how to connect people with solutions to their problems, you are in the wrong game.



            Facts & Statistics | Anxiety and Depression Association of America, ADAA

            $42 BILLION Dollar Industry
            Most Common Mental Illness in the US, effecting almost 20% of the population!

            This isn't even the entire market. Not only that, it's Increasing in our population!

            Limiting your view to the WSO section is like a fish deciding to live in a puddle next to the ocean. Sooner or later, you'll be all dried up. Jump in the ocean, expand your horizons, and stop limiting your view to what you think is possible, and start reaching for the plausible.

            You're right. It's a huge market. I'm not limiting my view to the WSO section at all though I did have a very successful self help offer there a couple of years ago. Sold more than 1000 copies and got WSOD. One of only three non MMO WSODs in 2011.

            There are lots of Clickbank products and hundred of thousands of Amazon books along with hoards of other self help stuff. And I'd bet that the top three percent of those are getting about 85% of the available market. So it comes back to what I've been saying. It's a very hard market to break into.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    So this is where I need to know if there is anybody out there that would actually TAKE this book and APPLY it. Are there people left that want the final result of this book, being able to have an idea and making it come to life?
    I see this as backwards.

    Identify a need then produce a solution, not vice versa.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
      Hi Brent

      That's the way we look at things too so as far as we are concerned you are spot on.

      It's the find a problem give them the solution approach - it works gangbusters.

      Regards

      Bronwyn and Keith
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      I see this as backwards.

      Identify a need then produce a solution, not vice versa.
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  • Profile picture of the author harperdy
    Thanks guys, get an angle, that really makes sense because everyone does the same things. I just need to bring out the twist on the vanilla ice cream cone. Appreciate the responses but let's bring it back into the main topic.
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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    I think you're a little hung up on the applying it part. Make sure the info is valid. Whether people actually apply it is not the point.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluebrain
    Sounds like your ebook will be helpful to many. So many people are not getting things done, and maybe they just don't know how to plan and avoid distractions.
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  • Profile picture of the author extrememan
    I personally love to read books on subjects like this. I'm constantly working on myself as well as my business. Please when you created this book? Would love a copy of this. I'm one that apply's what I learn?
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  • Profile picture of the author art72
    To the OP, if you are confident you have a knack for cracking the psychological code or have a philosophy that will encourage others to get off their a$$ and actually apply the knowledge you speak of, then what about this...

    Create a 'teaser' or free report first, slap a decent eCover on it, build a squeeze page with an opt-in and "Give-it-Away" for FREE, but stipulate you want feedback, real reviews, real people interacting with your work, and telling you what it did or didn't do for them?

    Then spend the $37 and get a War Room pass, and give it away in their too, for it is there 'seasoned' marketer's will likely give you solid feedback on your work, not the projection of what you might do.

    From there gather the data (*honest feedback, criticism, and applause -whichever it may be) and redefine your report by writing the actual book.

    Just assuming your gonna hit a home run because you (like many of us here) see that people rarely take action or implement the knowledge shared, is an angle alright... I see it too.

    However, as you skim through the self-development and mind warriors thread... almost anything you could write about, scrape, re-write, or even publish has already been said, as travelinguy mentions, and to compete against Joe Vitale, all the LOA stuff, Napoleon Hill's and Dale Carnegie's is going to be a tough nut to crack... especially when people already know;

    "Those who write or create said products... are usually already successful and have a PROVEN formula."

    If your PROVEN formula is some groundbreaking revolutionary new manner of thought, then you should use it to your advantage, and NOT tell a single soul... at least until YOU can actually PROVE it works... Hence, your idea is fine and dandy, it is nothing more than a theory UNTIL you; yourself can PROVE to have had success with it!!!

    So many people come in here, read a few threads about making money online, and they buy a book that tells them "How they can master FB ads" for example, and all of a sudden they're jumping off into the MMO community with no freaking clue how to build a site, set up an autoresponder, write copy, or do diddle outside of dreaming they can 'copy' that system, write a book, and wah-lah be rich.

    Sorry, doesn't work that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author RabbitAnimate
    for me actually it'll help me to get some point of view about how to get things done. sometimes, when we start doing something,we just don't know what to do next,what should we do after that.it can be because too many idea or plan that we have,or we just can't decide what's teh best thing to do next.so i think your book will be so helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author affguy89
    Money spent in on highly effective sources will make things happen faster whether you see a negative or a positive roi. Outsourcing and advertising is what I'm referring to. Anything is else is work work work! My 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author harperdy
    Yeah I agree I'm getting very good ideas from this topic I hope other people can take something good from this also. Appreciate the feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    Originally Posted by harperdy View Post

    Hey guys,

    This may be either a huge waste of my time but it might bring value to someone out there.

    [snip]

    That's what this whole business is about, getting the thought and materializing it so others can get the value from it.

    Tell me your thoughts because I really want to be able to help the marketplace, even if it's just one person, that's fine. That means I did my job.
    Sorry to sound harsh but helping one person is not a business. It is great if you can help people AND make money but it doesn't always work that way. If you are not making enough money to pay the bills you are wasting your time unless you are retired and can afford to spend time that does not produce income. If you want to start a business you have to approach everything as a businessperson. There are many people that have managed to do extremely well doing both but they are always very good at making at least a minimum amount of money to keep pursuing their altruistic goals.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    People dont like to implement "self help" stuff (even though your ebook isn't about self-help... even though it kinda sounds like it). I wouldn't buy it personally. I'd rather read a computer networking book... at least i can master the interview and dupe the IT manager into paying me $20/hour as a 2nd tier network tech.
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