# Software that scrapes targeted emails for you - what do you think?

by Kuurt Banned
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They say that the money is in the list. And that makes sense, because if your list is big enough you can send a blast email to your list promoting a product related to that niche and some of them will buy. Having a list allows you to make some quick money. So it is kind of like being able to print money on demand.

I did some calculations. I wanted to know how big of a list I would need to make a million dollars at the push of a button. I suck at math, but somewhere I must have read how to figure this up. Hopefully I got this right.

So in this example, I assume two things. One, I pick a product to promote that will make me \$100 per sale, and two, my conversion rates are at least .02%. Apparently that is the conversion rate you can expect to sale on average (assuming 2 out of 100 people buy). So, I take 1 million (1,000,000) and divide it by 100, which is what I make on each sale, I get 10,000. And if I take 10,000 and divide it by .02, for my conversion rate, I get 500,000. So, If I have a list of 500,000 people I can expect to make \$1,000,000 with a blast email promoting a product that earns me \$100 per sale.

So basically, as long as you have a product that makes you \$100 per sale and your conversion rates are at least average, you can simply take the size of your list and multiply it by 2 and that should give you an idea how much money you can expect to make from a blast email promoting that product.

I just wanted to share that. Anyway, I have a related question. Today I heard about a product called emailscraperchief that supposedly allows you to quickly scrape targeted email addresses from I guess different places on the internet. I'm just wondering what some of you more experienced folks think about software like that. Because if it really works it means you could really cut down on the time it takes to build your list. I would be afraid that the email addresses might not be targeted enough though. But they claim that they are. What do you think?

What the ef is it with people asking that lately?

Wrong forum for this question, you won't get any help here with that.
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• First of all that type of practice is frowned upon and I would also add that if it sounds too good to be true then it is too good to be true.
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No, I'm not asking for advice on how to spam. I was kind of wondering if that would be like considered spam or not. I know people swap lists with each other all the time if they're in the same niche. They promote each others products to their lists. People also buy lists that are targeted to their niche. Why would this be any different?

Another thing is that I think this software is created by the creators of SpinnerChief which is suppose to be a really good spinner software. So I thought they were well respected. I can't imagine them created a crappy product that would ruin their good name.
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• And the bans just keep piling up.
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• I'm sorry but that is the worst idea I have ever heard and YOU WILL NOT make ANYTHING near \$1,000,000 with that idea. I'm sorry to come off as rude but its true.

I remember the days when I use to think that same way and that's how easy it would be.

You are correct, the money is in the list. But also, the money is in the relationship and quality of the list.

If you can collect 500,000 "targeted" emails and blasted them with a product then only a very very small percentage will actually come into their email boxes. You email will be read as spam by their email providers and will never be seen. Even if you do make some to the inbox's I doubt many will open it because I highly bet your email subject line will be that enticing to them.

EVEN if you get as far as them opening the email then your CTR's will be very low to your \$100 product because they have no idea who you are, you have no relationship with them and they wont hesitate to trash your email.

Sorry man, you will make no money with this idea if any.

I don't mean for this to come off as rude because I was once where you are.
If I am thinking correctly, you are going to try and do this regardless of what anyone says because your too hyped up on this crack dream. Learn the hard way and come back stronger from there I guess.

best of luck.
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Maybe the bans keep piling up because you have something up your ass, and you're being a little too damn anal with everybody.

You have been banned for the following reason:
Don't ask for help sending unsolicited bulk email.
Date the ban will be lifted: 04-19-2014, 11:00 PM

Seriously, I didn't ask for help sending unsolicited bulk email. Read my post. like I said above "I was kind of wondering whether that would be considered spam or not." - a legitimate question.

I also wanted to know what more experienced folks thought about it since it was created by the well respected people that created SpinnerChief. - another legitimate question.

But, you just had to be a ******* prick didn't you. Do you even read these posts before you ban someone, or are you just trigger happy. Don't worry, I won't be coming back. I don't like forums that are ran by assholes.

kuurt
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•  Originally Posted by Dayve Maybe the bans keep piling up because you have something up your ass, and you're being a little too damn anal with everybody. You have been banned for the following reason: Don't ask for help sending unsolicited bulk email. Date the ban will be lifted: 04-19-2014, 11:00 PM Seriously, I didn't ask for help sending unsolicited bulk email. Read my post. like I said above "I was kind of wondering whether that would be considered spam or not." - a legitimate question. I also wanted to know what more experienced folks thought about it since it was created by the well respected people that created SpinnerChief. - another legitimate question. But, you just had to be a ******* prick didn't you. Do you even read these posts before you ban someone, or are you just trigger happy. Don't worry, I won't be coming back. I don't like forums that are ran by assholes. kuurt
Don't be an asshat kuurt. You didn't ASK that exact question, but you very much IMPLIED your interest in doing so - and compared list swapping etc to the type of spamming you're wanting to do.

When told it was "spamming" - you quickly defended it "but but, it's the same thing as this"... no it's not, you're just a moron.

By the way, if you could give me some extra fries on my next trip to McDonalds - I'd be grateful!
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• LOL

For those in the audience who are a little slower than the rest of us...

Re: Software that scrapes targeted emails for you = SPAM
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• His return response was hilarious.

The recent spate of 'how can I spam a list of 10,000 emails I happen to have' threads is kind of weird. It's a good example of why people are banned and threads deleted with little explanation. It just starts becoming fingers in the dyke.

The weird thing is most of these threads have been started by relative beginners. They would get a lot further with Google than WF on almost any topic until they have an idea what they are talking about. After one or two searches they would learn not to ask the question.

Also a good reason to search WF before posting about something. You may find a thread that already covers the topic. You may also find a bunch of threads with banned OPs....
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• Kuurt/Dayve said,
 Maybe the bans keep piling up because you have something up your ass, and you're being a little too damn anal with everybody.
If I were being "extreme," there wouldn't have been a "Date the ban will be lifted." There isn't now.

And why would anyone have problems with spammers, really?

Especially those of us who remember what it was like to consider 5 spams in a day to be a lot. Or who've had to take down whole "on demand" libraries of useful information because the spambags kept pounding the autoresponders with forged From addresses, resulting in hundreds of extra spams a day to me and dozens of complaints about the autoresponses to my webhosts.

Or who've had to constantly make things harder to use in order to keep them usable at all. Or who've had to take down blogs and shopping cart systems because of the abusive cretins who think it's okay to hijack our resources. Or shut off systems we hosted for friends, because they couldn't keep up with the security problems created by these alleged "marketers."

Or who've watched email open rates plummet because people got burned out by the "make penis fast" junk. Or who've been accused of selling customer email addresses because someone thought it would be a brilliant idea to hack - or buy - the email addresses in the databases of autoresponder companies.

I've had to do all that stuff and much more, and I'm just one guy. There are millions of people out there who've had to deal with more than one of those issues.

Millions. If you spam, whether by email, through forums or Facebook, or by auto-posting crap to their blogs, they despise you. They see you as parasitical scum, and want you blasted off the entire network.

Not just banned from here.

But let's be specific about why I'm tough about it in this forum.

Once upon a time (1997 and 1998), the email spammers pretty much had free run of this place. It got a rep among the spamfighting crowd for providing spam support. It's taken a long time, but that rep is gone (at least as far as email spamming), except among some of the old guard. They cut us slack because the real old-timers know me, and they know I'll nuke a spammer sooner than drink my morning coffee.

If those folks get the idea that this place is facilitating spam, even by allowing others to endorse it here, we have a problem. Mail from the forum, or pointing to it, starts getting blocked. That means no more notifications of PMs, no more updates when new posts are being made to threads, no more emails sent through the privacy of the forum's contact system, no more new member registration confirmations... nothing. Anyone behind any system that uses any of those blocklists would get any of that mail. And that would just be the start of it.

So, yeah. There's a bunch of really good reasons to be hostile about any hint of support for unsolicited bulk email in this forum.

And that's all aside from the fact that spamming is morally and ethically indefensible.
 But, you just had to be a ******* prick didn't you.
Why, yes. Yes, I did.

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• Mike,

Harvesting only enters into it if the email violates some other provision of the law. It is not generally illegal in and of itself, nor does it make an email that would be otherwise compliant somehow not compliant.

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• yes there are many software that can provide you email but the traffic they are providing you is junk and useless traffic so if you have lots of money and want to loss it then do what you want.
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