Help: Coming back to affiliate marketing after failing.

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About three years ago I thought I'd try to do some affiliate marketing and learn to make some money that way. Some of the details are fuzzy. I know I went to ClickBank and found a product that seemed interesting. If I remember correctly it was a weight loss product. I then got a domain and put-up a single page site with a few paragraphs talking it up, the link and some pictures.

I also created an account with Google and put some AdSense ads on the page. Three or four, I think.

I also spent a little money and bought some AdWords ads to drive traffic. Yes, I was a complete noob just starting to learn and experiment.

All was well for about three days.

Then Google summarily killed my account. To this day I have no clue what happened. I got an email from them and absolutely positively no way to contact anyone to try and figure out what was wrong.

No, I did not click on any of the ads myself. I didn't even tell any friends or relatives about the site. I mean, the paint on the site was still wet.

So, I threw my arms up and gave up just like that.

I was working on building iOS apps at the same time and thought I'd rather work with a company that had some means to contact a human being for help. The iOS app business has been doing OK.

Now I want to get back into various forms of internet-based businesses, from ebook to webinar marketing and, yes, affilliate marketing. What I am asking for here is advice or a shove in the right direction in order to avoid experiencing that kind of premature failure again. I don't want to build junk sites. That was never the intent. However, not knowing what happened, why it happened and how I could have fixed it was really disconcerting.

What resources would you recommend I use to read-up on how to do affiliate marketing the right way, without tripping any red flags?

Can you offer up any ideas on why Google cut me off at the knees three years ago? You actually have as much information as I had back then!

I look forward to drinking from the huge fire-hose of information that this community seems to be. Lots to learn!

Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Why waste time trying to figure out what happened 3 years ago. I am sure their TOS has changed many times since then. If you plan on using google again, then, just read their Terms and don't violate them.

    If you do not plan on using them, then don't worry about it.

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  • Profile picture of the author murad12s
    Google adsense is not safe anymore IMO, because sometimes your competitors will kill your adsense account when your sites/blogs rank on search engines by clicking the ads from same IP simultaneously ...
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Originally Posted by john5Jhx View Post

    Then Google summarily killed my account. To this day I have no clue what happened.
    That does not matter. Google has been killing people's account left and right and I was one of them a few years ago. There is a lesson to be learned here and that is to MOVE ON. What was, was. What is, is. And what is, is what's happening right now. Again, move on and forget about them.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      That does not matter. Google has been killing people's account left and right and I was one of them a few years ago. There is a lesson to be learned here and that is to MOVE ON. What was, was. What is, is. And what is, is what's happening right now. Again, move on and forget about them.
      Yeah I agree, move on ! Forget about it. We all have been thru it. Maybe not the exact circumstance. But we have all felt the pain one way or the other.

      I had 3 straight years of killing it with Adsense and putting in 2 to 3 hours of month with an article here and there. Total cake.

      Then Google updates came two years ago and wiped all Adsense earnings and CPA income down to just about zero.

      I tried to get back with SEO and worked on that for over a year.

      I said 'eff' it and just moved forward and now make money on ways where I have to rely squat on the big G for Traffic.

      There are just so many ways to make Money without doing SEO and without relying on Google.


      John, become independent of this Behemoth and you will set your biz and yourself
      FREE

      As far as learning more about Affiliate Marketing ? Id try here http://affiliatebully.com/. Some good stuff !
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      • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        As far as learning more about Affiliate Marketing ? Id try here Affiliate Bully — New CRUEL Rules for Success (2013). Some good stuff !
        Thanks for that resource. I'm reading through his intro right now and it looks very good. One of his examples made me go validate a couple of my ideas. It turns out the market size is somewhat questionable. I am going to focus on some of the others now.
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  • Profile picture of the author gela g
    Indeed. Learn from the past and be enthusiastic to do things today for a bette future. There are lot of opportunities, think abundance. Believe in yourself and make things happen. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
      Thanks for the kinds words and encouragement. I really do appreciate it. This can be a really tough road.

      It seems there's a recommendation to generally avoid AdSense/Google. If that's the case, can someone please expand on this? I mean, I can see the danger of dealing with such a totalitarian organisation with no recognizable form of customer service. So, I get that part.

      Is the philosophy of warriors to favor affiliate type work rather than to try and rely on advertising with the likes of AdSense?
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      • Profile picture of the author AffiliateWaves
        The moral of story is

        Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

        Google Adsense is reliable source of income but not so rewarding so do not concentrate solely on it .some people got banned after they earned a lot of bucks from it.

        Affiliate marketing is really a rewarding job ,if you do it right way.It need a lot of research,hardwork and patience before you starting money from it .It is long term and reliable source of income .As there are lot of affiliate networks and individuals affiliate program you can select which one work best for you and start earning
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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    i got hit too....lost money
    start a list and market to the list....google can not touch you
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    • Profile picture of the author dean20653
      Originally Posted by john5Jhx View Post

      It seems there's a recommendation to generally avoid AdSense/Google. If that's the case, can someone please expand on this?
      Why put all your eggs in 1 basket from a company that can drop you anytime they please?

      Originally Posted by john5Jhx View Post

      Is the philosophy of warriors to favor affiliate type work rather than to try and rely on advertising with the likes of AdSense?
      you mean AdWords? The only philosophy warriors on here have is to diversify your streams of income and not lean toward only one source. As far as favoring "affiliate type work" NO, each warrior does stuff there own way, It's just that Affiliate marketing is a huge topic. There are many warriors who haven't sold any affiliate stuff and still making excellent money online. It's what you know and how you market it that makes you the money. Not following the "everyone's doing it" parade.

      Best of Luck to you Out here
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      • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
        Originally Posted by dean20653 View Post

        Why put all your eggs in 1 basket from a company that can drop you anytime they please?
        Insanity?

        No. No. My wife made me do it! That's it. Her fault.

        Seriously now. I was just starting out and wanted to test using AdSense to have a few relevant ads placed on my site. I wrote a decent page or two of content and thought it would be fine. I didn't expect to be clobbered over the head like that. I didn't even know that could happen at the time or I would have tried to figure out how to avoid it. Frankly, one of my theories is that the fact that I chose a weight loss product had something to do with it. I can imagine that market segment being full of low quality crap.

        As may have said in this thread: Time to forget what happened three years ago and move on.


        you mean AdWords?
        No, I meant AdSense. In other words, I build a site and Google places ads in my site. That's AdSense, right? Or did I get them confused again?


        There are many warriors who haven't sold any affiliate stuff and still making excellent money online. It's what you know and how you market it that makes you the money.
        Is there a comprehensive list of business models that do well. I don't mean "get rich quick" stuff. I've been in business in one form or another for thirty years, getting rich quick isn't something that happens to 99.999% of entrepreneurs. So, I know that anything I choose will require work and dedication. That's a given.

        Thanks!
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        • Profile picture of the author dean20653
          I can't quote you on things that I want because I'm on mobile… But I read your statement about AdSense wrong… And yes you have it right.

          Honestly there is no reason to beat yourself up over why? You could have farted and sneezed at the same time and Google would have dumped you :-)

          There are plenty of successful Business models right here on the warrior forum… You just need to use the search function and absorb as much information as you can. Feel free to shoot me a p.m. if you want… But I'll be able to discuss more at a later time.

          Until we chat again… Good luck :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
            Originally Posted by dean20653 View Post

            absorb as much information as you can.
            I am drinking from a huge fire-hose right now. A bit overwhelming but I am really committed to finally getting a handle on this.

            I've narrowed it down to feeding off two pipes:

            First: I am going through every single podcast of the Smart Passive Income blog and taking lots of notes. I realize he's got some stuff that's now obsolete, but I have to force myself to go through every single one in order to make a solid mental mind shift into this domain.

            Second: I was very glad to find the Warrior Forum. I am going to ask lots of questions and also consume as many threads as possible.

            The next couple of weeks will be super intense. I have the ability to dedicate myself to this task almost exclusive of anything else. I intend to take full advantage of the time.

            Thanks for helping me out!
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    • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
      Originally Posted by tristatemedia View Post

      i got hit too....lost money
      start a list and market to the list....google can not touch you
      So...is the reason I see so much advise on WF to engage in list building precisely that you isolate yourself from these kinds of issues?

      I actually have an email list of about 12,000 to 16,000 people from a prior hardware business I was in. I would imagine chunks of it are stale. I'll guess 25% to 50% of it is useless. I was actually thinking of creating an information product targeted at the average inhabitant of this industry segment and using this old list (about four years old) to try and launch it. Good idea?

      Can someone point me to a good thread covering email marketing? I am interested in tools, best practices and the general care and feeding of the beast.

      Back when I had a hardware manufacturing business (that's a whole other story) we used services such as Constant Contact to reach out to our list with offers, news and trade-show announcements. I forget what pricing looked like for CC. Is this the kind of service email marketeers use or do you send emails directly from your own servers to your opt-in list?

      Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author dean20653
    Trial an error my friend. Try, fail, try again, fail, try, find out it works, scale it up...

    What model you run is your choice but stick with it and beat it to death until you can't get anything else out BEFORE moving on to something else.

    I want to add the the saying "the money is in the list" is so big because these are your loyal who trust you and you can give them good info and sell to them over an over again. I'm on here all the time so I'm sure we will cross again

    Until next time
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    • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
      Originally Posted by dean20653 View Post

      I want to add the the saying "the money is in the list" is so big because these are your loyal who trust you and you can give them good info and sell to them over an over again.
      Thanks for the encouragement. Once I feel a little smarter about this I'll take you up on the offer to have a chat off-list.

      Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
      Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1 View Post

      In my opinion, Google banned you because your page didn't have enough content on it. Google recommends that people built full sites before they apply for Adsense.
      You are probably right. It really was a one page site with a short article and an affiliate link. In retrospect, it wasn't helping anyone out.

      The frustrating part is that Google doesn't have a system through which people like me --you know, the honest kind-- can actually learn.

      I'm starting another thread to try and further understand how to deal with this.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I don't think anyone's mentioned this so I will. Why did you have Adsense on an affiliate promo page in the first place? That's the issue. You drive traffic to that page to promote a product with a decent payday so why in the world would you be giving a visitor the opportunity to click off the page for pocket change?

    You should be glad Google shut you down. I don't know what you should do in the future, but whatever it is, be smart about it and don't mix conflicting promotions. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Langham
    I wouldn't get involved in anything where you don't have 100% control in your own hands.

    Adsense is one of those things that people made a killing on eight years ago, now, Google wakes up with a head ache and your site is killed.

    Affiliate Marketing = Find offer which is proven to convert, Find traffic which is proven to buy, send traffic to offer, test and test some more , then get paid out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    I'm someone that blogs, gets thousands of monthly visitors (unique), and could give a damn about SEO.

    Guess what? I focus on content that people actually care about.

    And they SHARE it with their friends and colleagues.

    (My average blog post gets 50+ shares).

    In short... I think focusing on SEO sucks...

    Instead? Create content that people will actually read.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jon Crimes
      Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

      I'm someone that blogs, gets thousands of monthly visitors (unique), and could give a damn about SEO.

      Guess what? I focus on content that people actually care about.

      And they SHARE it with their friends and colleagues.

      (My average blog post gets 50+ shares).

      In short... I think focusing on SEO sucks...

      Instead? Create content that people will actually read.
      That's exactly the way I'm starting to think now Sarevok.

      In the past I've spent hours analysing trends/keywords/search volume etc. and all at the expense of adding decent content to my site or blog.

      I'm not saying I won't do this type of research again, I just don't believe it should be the major part of your strategy!

      Paying less and less attention to google these days and the traffic keeps increasing :rolleyes:

      Cheers

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      • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
        Originally Posted by Jon Crimes View Post

        Paying less and less attention to google these days and the traffic keeps increasing
        How are you generating traffic?
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    • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
      Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

      I'm someone that blogs, gets thousands of monthly visitors (unique), and could give a damn about SEO.

      Guess what? I focus on content that people actually care about.

      And they SHARE it with their friends and colleagues.

      (My average blog post gets 50+ shares).

      In short... I think focusing on SEO sucks...

      Instead? Create content that people will actually read.

      That whole thing is great advise. SEO seems like a constant headache to please the Google gods. What you are saying is: Make something people want.

      Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author jakye
    Do not let anyhing or any one stop you from working your niche. If you are slapped down on one end, get up and start over just go in a different directiion next time, follow their guide lines or create your own page and find other ways to market it. Never under any circumstances quit.
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  • Profile picture of the author mymoney5243
    I'm just going to throw this out there. The only place I use adsense is on my blog. I keep it miles away from my website. There are just too many issues. I am working my way to be "Google Free" they are to volitile always changing policies and procedures. I don't need this. I have now been navigting toward bing/yahoo. It seems to be working for me you might give it a try.
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  • Profile picture of the author Walt SEO
    In direct response to the title I don't it matters whether you failed or not; the only thing that truly matters is staying persistent. Willing to stand up and repeat till succeed. Previous experience has little to do with your future outcome as you can't change the past, but you can change your future!


    Walt
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    • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
      Originally Posted by Walt SEO View Post

      In direct response to the title I don't it matters whether you failed or not; the only thing that truly matters is staying persistent. Willing to stand up and repeat till succeed. Previous experience has little to do with your future outcome as you can't change the past, but you can change your future!
      I appreciate the encouragement. This community so far comes off as being really friendly and supportive of newcomers. This is great.

      Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
        Originally Posted by john5Jhx View Post

        I appreciate the encouragement. This community so far comes off as being really friendly and supportive of newcomers. This is great.

        Thanks.
        Well, there's the occasional pie fight. I tend to stand off to the side and watch while munching on snacks when those go down.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    Use the search function on this site to look up threads on affiliate marketing. There is a ton of free information here. Dig in and start learning methods and strategies that work.

    But, you really need to figure out what you are BEST suited to doing. Selling random affiliate products may not be what can lead you to online success. There are countless business models that are making people money online. However, you need to find one that floats your boat the most.

    For instance, if you want to promote affiliate products, think of a niche market that you already enjoy and are familiar with. You are more likely to persist through the ups and downs when you are interested in a topic.

    A lot of successful affiliates build email lists and promote products to their list. Others build authority sites in a niche (lots of pages) and promote affiliate products on the site. There are still sites that promote Clickbank products and sites that promote Amazon products. Other sites promote products from Commission Junction, LinkShare, JVZoo, on and on...

    First, do some research here so you can get an idea of what business models are best for your personality and lifestyle. Choose one. Follow tips and suggestions for building a real business. Oh, and pick a niche to focus on.

    Plenty of us here have failed countless times. The key is to fail UPWARDS.

    Good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
      Originally Posted by Fun to Write View Post

      Plenty of us here have failed countless times. The key is to fail UPWARDS.
      I just love that perspective. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author HenryLatourrette
    Originally Posted by john5Jhx View Post

    About three years ago I thought I'd try to do some affiliate marketing and learn to make some money that way. Some of the details are fuzzy. I know I went to ClickBank and found a product that seemed interesting. If I remember correctly it was a weight loss product. I then got a domain and put-up a single page site with a few paragraphs talking it up, the link and some pictures.

    I also created an account with Google and put some AdSense ads on the page. Three or four, I think.

    I also spent a little money and bought some AdWords ads to drive traffic. Yes, I was a complete noob just starting to learn and experiment.

    All was well for about three days.

    Then Google summarily killed my account. To this day I have no clue what happened. I got an email from them and absolutely positively no way to contact anyone to try and figure out what was wrong.

    No, I did not click on any of the ads myself. I didn't even tell any friends or relatives about the site. I mean, the paint on the site was still wet.

    So, I threw my arms up and gave up just like that.

    I was working on building iOS apps at the same time and thought I'd rather work with a company that had some means to contact a human being for help. The iOS app business has been doing OK.

    Now I want to get back into various forms of internet-based businesses, from ebook to webinar marketing and, yes, affilliate marketing. What I am asking for here is advice or a shove in the right direction in order to avoid experiencing that kind of premature failure again. I don't want to build junk sites. That was never the intent. However, not knowing what happened, why it happened and how I could have fixed it was really disconcerting.

    What resources would you recommend I use to read-up on how to do affiliate marketing the right way, without tripping any red flags?

    Can you offer up any ideas on why Google cut me off at the knees three years ago? You actually have as much information as I had back then!

    I look forward to drinking from the huge fire-hose of information that this community seems to be. Lots to learn!

    Thanks!

    The same thing happened to me. Years ago I promoted "Fat Loss 4 idiots". And Google hate it, it's like if you ****ed his mom. Don't do that. My Adwords account was killed for ever. I cannot even promote on AdMob right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author GJG
    Yes, it is really important to thoroughly read the TOS of any program you become an affiliate of and to keep up with their changes.
    I also think it is a good idea to diversify so that you are not completely dependent on just one platform.
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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    Find a thirsty niche.

    Build a list.

    Sell to them over and over again!
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Try again and dont worry about Google. There are many other great ways to get traffic to your site. Get on your marketing grind, write out a good marketing plan, and follow it everyday. Be sure to add some paid advertising in there too.
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    There were a number of possibilities why Google cut you off

    1. They did not approve of the Clickbank product you were promoting. This could have led to the suspension of both your Adwords and Adsense account.
    2. They suspect that you were doing some sort of ad arbitrage.
    3. It was a thin affiliate site with little content

    Anyway, I would move on. Should you ever get another account, I would be very careful to read their TOS.
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    • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
      Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

      They suspect that you were doing some sort of ad arbitrage.
      What do you mean by this? I ask because at some level Google's entire AdWords business is about ad arbitrage, isn't it?
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      • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
        Originally Posted by john5Jhx View Post

        What do you mean by this? I ask because at some level Google's entire AdWords business is about ad arbitrage, isn't it?
        They don't like people buying paid traffic and earn any positivie difference through Adsense.
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        • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
          Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

          They don't like people buying paid traffic and earn any positivie difference through Adsense.
          Ah, OK, DO NOT run AdWords campaigns and have a site populated by ads by AdSense. Got it.

          Facebook campaign going to a site populated by AdSense ads is OK then?

          AdWords campaign going to site with Affiliate stuff should be OK too then.

          Thanks.
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          • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
            Originally Posted by john5Jhx View Post

            Ah, OK, DO NOT run AdWords campaigns and have a site populated by ads by AdSense. Got it.

            Facebook campaign going to a site populated by AdSense ads is OK then?

            AdWords campaign going to site with Affiliate stuff should be OK too then.

            Thanks.
            I don't think they will allow it either unless your landing page has got good useful content.

            https://support.google.com/adwordspo...r/190442?hl=en

            Arbitrage

            Google AdWords doesn't allow the promotion of websites that are designed for the sole or primary purpose of showing ads. One example of this kind of prohibited behavior is called arbitrage, where advertisers drive traffic to their websites at low cost and pay for that traffic by earning money from the ads placed on those websites. We've created this policy to help ensure that users see useful, unique, and original content without excessive advertising.

            A website may get suspended for arbitrage if it has excessive advertising or is otherwise designed for the sole or primary purpose of showing ads. The following types of behaviors are often associated with prohibited arbitrage sites, including mobile sites:
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            • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
              Originally Posted by derekwong28 View Post

              One example of this kind of prohibited behavior is called arbitrage, where advertisers drive traffic to their websites at low cost and pay for that traffic by earning money from the ads placed on those websites.
              I get it. Still, you have to admit it's funny. EVERYTHING in business is arbitrage. You advertise in a magazine or a newspaper at a lower cost (relative to what you sell) in order to get people to come to your store. Once there you advertise what you sell and hope to make a sale.

              Every page in Amazon is an ad for a book or whatever they happen to be selling. So, if Amazon uses AdSense to drive traffic to their site they are driving traffic at low cost and pay for the traffic by earning money from the "ads" placed on their website.

              Pinterest?

              eBay? I can buy AdWords ads to send people to an item I might be selling on eBay. I don't think any of the companies involved would object.

              Again, I get it. They don't want ads to drive people to sites that are nothing more than pages full of ads. Makes sense.

              I think the problem is in how they handle violations. It'd be so easy to tell someone "You could have earned $232.50 today but you will not get paid because your site isn't deemed to have valuable content" or some such thing. Send someone an email like that every day and they eventually fix it and become good citizens. I contend that the approach they are taking is the wrong one.
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              • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
                John, they did send me a number of warning letters concerning the use of MFA sites before they banned my account altogether. I tried my best to comply but I had more than 1000 sites then. However, I have been with them for a few years and earned more than $1000 per month on average. They generally take a much tougher line with new publishers, especially with those from developing countries.
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          • Use the KISS method

            Step 1: Create a Blog site wordpress or what networkers call money site. (autoresponder set of course and sales funnel ready) make sure you have a coach guiding you in right direction!

            Step 2: Create an offer people cannot refuse aka lead magnet that is free. Its is an offer of solution to whatever problem they facing.
            Eg. "join my bootcamp on how to start your affiliate business online today!"
            Obviously you would need the knowledge and skill to give the product or offer first so do your research or get a very knowledgable coach! You can also have a funded proposal systems that offers these services predone.

            Step 3: Have the sales funnel in place when leads opt ins
            This is where you can make some descent income from affiliates!

            Step 4: Build your email list and BUILD RELATIONSHIP!!! And never show desperation and look like a salesman instead overwhelm them with honest information and solution to their problems ( like im doing here for you ). With your list its like having an ATM whenever you have a product you use and believe and you promote your list will follow suit. But remember you have to earn their trust first which is why RELATIONSHIP trumps quantity list any day. In your list minds if it an affiliate product works for you then it must for them too. Its how you make money through affiiates in an honest way. I never promote a product I dont use! And you shouldnt either!

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            • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
              Originally Posted by Joseph Villanueva View Post

              With your list its like having an ATM whenever you have a product you use and believe and you promote your list will follow suit.
              I am warming up to the idea of engaging in list building for exactly this reason. Introducing new products can be much simpler when you can reach out to a pre-qualified audience directly.

              I'm also looking at various subscription based ideas. In other words, have people pay a monthly membership fee for a service, information or tutorial access. I would imagine that would make for more stable income over time.
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  • Profile picture of the author extrememan
    I've been burned my google adwords before. I could use them again but I choose to drive traffic from other places. I wouldn't worry about it...
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    • Profile picture of the author extrememan
      There's many other traffic sources you can investigate. It's becoming extremely harder now to rely on google adwords plus expensive. Why not try Facebook PPC?
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    • Profile picture of the author carcin0genic
      Google doesn't like affiliate sites. Especially those that use tens of thousands of backlinks a day to uphold the ranking.

      That being said the best thing to conquer Google and any random zoo animal algorithm they concoct, is a blog with kick-ass quality content that has gained authority in your niche.

      It's best to focus on one high ticket program offering recurring commissions or a high converting thousands of dollars ticket offer for best results.

      Positioning, consistent action, and a proven business model to duplicate are all you need in this industry to succeed.
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      • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
        Originally Posted by carcin0genic View Post

        Positioning, consistent action, and a proven business model to duplicate are all you need in this industry to succeed.
        The more I read the more I think: Wait a minute, this is business 101 for most brick-and-mortar businesses! I've done this before!

        In other words, if you wanted to start a brick-and-mortar business in your own town you'd have to go through exactly the same steps:
        • find a need
        • quantify the market
        • try to test at a small scale
        • plan marketing
        • have a budget
        • offer a good quality product
        • launch and keep at it until you start to succeed
        • build a community around your store and products
        • pay attention to what works
        • repeat and expand

        No?
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        • Profile picture of the author carcin0genic
          Business is business whether online or no so yes there are the same standards.

          The difference is that this industry goes even simple when you find somebody who's been through the ringer of testing and tweaking what does and doesn't work and shares that information willingly.

          I myself partnered with a 6 figure earner and took my business to another level simply duplicating his business model. Now I can say that I've shown others the path that I took and they have similar results.

          In other words don't reinvent the wheel. All the work is done for you, you only need to find it
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    Hi,
    Nowadays affiliate marketing is upon solo ads and list building so start building your list and hope that google don't able to touch you but you need to know how to these things so go to search bar and start reading post on this forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    It’s not a good idea to depend on Google for anything. And some people told me that they were not paid.

    I had the same problem with Adsense in the beginning of my adventures online (2007). I don't know what happened and I lost my account.

    They never give you a second chance, even if you are innocent.






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  • Profile picture of the author gsinfovision
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    Originally Posted by john5Jhx View Post

    About three years ago I thought I'd try to do some affiliate marketing and learn to make some money that way. Some of the details are fuzzy. I know I went to ClickBank and found a product that seemed interesting. If I remember correctly it was a weight loss product. I then got a domain and put-up a single page site with a few paragraphs talking it up, the link and some pictures.

    I also created an account with Google and put some AdSense ads on the page. Three or four, I think.

    I also spent a little money and bought some AdWords ads to drive traffic. Yes, I was a complete noob just starting to learn and experiment.

    All was well for about three days.

    Then Google summarily killed my account. To this day I have no clue what happened. I got an email from them and absolutely positively no way to contact anyone to try and figure out what was wrong.

    No, I did not click on any of the ads myself. I didn't even tell any friends or relatives about the site. I mean, the paint on the site was still wet.

    So, I threw my arms up and gave up just like that.

    I was working on building iOS apps at the same time and thought I'd rather work with a company that had some means to contact a human being for help. The iOS app business has been doing OK.

    Now I want to get back into various forms of internet-based businesses, from ebook to webinar marketing and, yes, affilliate marketing. What I am asking for here is advice or a shove in the right direction in order to avoid experiencing that kind of premature failure again. I don't want to build junk sites. That was never the intent. However, not knowing what happened, why it happened and how I could have fixed it was really disconcerting.

    What resources would you recommend I use to read-up on how to do affiliate marketing the right way, without tripping any red flags?

    Can you offer up any ideas on why Google cut me off at the knees three years ago? You actually have as much information as I had back then!

    I look forward to drinking from the huge fire-hose of information that this community seems to be. Lots to learn!

    Thanks!
    Did you have privacy policy, contact pages and also good content on your site and the traffic was for a "good source"? I see so many people talking negative about adsense all the time. In reality it isn't that bad! You just have to follow the TOS. Either your traffic or website setup was wrong. Also did you get an adsense account created by any broker who got you an account for a small fee?

    I hate to say this, but most of time people get banned on adsense because they think its okay to "experiment" with the account. C'mmon, its by far the best CPC network for publishers hands down - you have to play by the rules, if you want to play at all. Since it happened 3 years back, I'm not sure if they can address your queries, but you can get in touch with them here:

    adsense-support [@]google.com

    For affiliate marketing, the easiest way to get some sales is by setting up an youtube channel with min 5 vids (one of them being the product review), sending views to the vids, social bookmarking them and getting them embedded. Shorten your hop link with a URL shortner and your videos alone are going to get you regular sales.

    Hope that helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author john5Jhx
      Originally Posted by gsinfovision View Post

      I hate to say this, but most of time people get banned on adsense because they think its okay to "experiment" with the account.
      Agreed.

      The problem is that, at least three years go, Google didn't have a sensible way to onboard new customers. They probably still don't have a way to teach you the do's and don'ts of AdSense.

      What I mean is that it would be far more productive to let you experiment and have you earn nothing until you get it right. Whacking someone with a totalitarian shutdown, and with no recourse at all, simply isn't sensible. This is particularly true when someone is obviously just getting started.

      They could easily provide you with real-time feedback over email as things develop. You get an email saying "Ads are now turned off because you don't have a terms-of-service page". You fix that. Next, "Ads are now turned off because we did not find contact information". You fix that. Etc.

      I get that they have to deal with piles of scam artists. I get it. The problem is that in doing so they unfairly and brutally punish those of us who are honest entrepreneurs trying to learn.

      Let's put it this way, after a thirty year career in real life brick-and-mortar business it was, to some degree, insulting to be shutdown like that and have no way to engage with a human being to understand what went wrong and how to fix it. Serious business people do it that way. Not saying Google isn't serious. I am saying that some of the things the company does, their attitude and approach to customers tends to reveal a somewhat adolescent and socially naive approach to business, which is exactly what you'd expect from 20-somethings devoid of real-world business experience.

      I mean, can you imagine throwing a switch and shutting down someone's entire business overnight in the real world? Let's say a grocery. Imagine their main supplier stops delivery of goods because they don't like the sign in front of the store. There would be tons of communication before that even remotely happened. That's real business.

      When you have to engage people in real life to make a sale, work with vendors, suppliers, customers, build relationships and shake a few hands to close deals you gain a very different perspective. Sitting in front of a computer working on algorithms all day and seeing bad actors trying to game your algorithms probably skews your world view and, it is no surprise, the "Google way" is what inevitably comes out.
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  • In my opinion I believe that you should first find the niche that you like .
    Has a good following and will be profitable.
    Then set up an autoresponder with information that will help your subscribers and well
    placed solo ads that are directed to your niche.
    Then start building your list by offering something of value to them for subscribing to your list and direct them to your squeeze page.
    Hope this helps
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  • That is way it is important to build your list so you don't have to depend on Google
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