Stomper Net Frenzy Shook My Grey Matter

by Lance K 18 replies
I've received so many emails about this promotion that I'd have to take both of my shoes and both of my wife's shoes off to count them all.

Well, for some reason this sparked a thought. And it really has nothing to do with StomperNet, but rather the affiliates who promote it.

One in particular is a guy who has branded himself as "the guy" when it comes to a certain aspect of IM. And everyone refers to him when his topic of expertise comes up. Everyone. He's the only dude in his game that I know of. Now, I'm on his opt-in list because I'm very interested in buying his course as some point. But I have yet to do so. So why would he think I would buy StomperNet or anything else for that matter based on his word when I haven't even bought his flagship product that he's known for?

Wouldn't these affiliates be better off promoting affiliate offers to their CUSTOMERS rather than their PROSPECTS? Every affiliate offer that they send me before they've done an adequate job of selling me on THEIR product diminishes their persuasion power in my eyes.

Does this make sense? Am I way off base?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    What are you buying? It's free.

    At the end of the day, you can cancel everything and get the program and the first newsletter for the cost of shipping and handling.

    Why wouldn't you get it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

      What are you buying? It's free.

      At the end of the day, you can cancel everything and get the program and the first newsletter for the cost of shipping and handling.

      Why wouldn't you get it?
      I said it's not about this offer in particular. I haven't even read/watched what's being offered yet.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        I think that the perception that they are trying to get across is that they are the "good guy"...

        They are letting you know about this great product that you can get for free in hopes that you open more of their emails.

        Personally, I'm signing up through JMO's link. If this turns out to be a great product for me there is a good chance that I buy everything and anything that he recommends to me.

        Maybe I don't understand the question though...

        What kind of emails do you think they should send to their "prospects"?
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  • Profile picture of the author matthewd
    I see where you are coming from. But are you saying that if you had a list of "prospects" you would not pitch them anything but your own stuff?

    I think the majority of people are going to pitch other people's offers as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

      I see where you are coming from. But are you saying that if you had a list of "prospects" you would not pitch them anything but your own stuff?

      I think the majority of people are going to pitch other people's offers as well.

      If someone joined my opt-in prospect list because they were interested in my product that reveals how to lose 25 lbs. in 30 days, I wouldn't promote someone else's product about how to dress for their new body if they didn't first buy my product. That's equivalent to putting the cart before the horse. And if I did that, who's well being do you think my prospects would think I was looking out for? Do you think I would lose a little credibility? And for what? In the name of an affiliate commission? How's that going to help the long term health of my business. The business I've decided to build around my lose 25 in 30 product.
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      • Profile picture of the author matthewd
        Your idea makes sense in a different market, but in the IM market we are all trying to make money online. If it relates to making money online, then their list fits the market.

        So, your example makes sense in that market, but it would not hold up in IM.

        Plus, being IMers, we know who's well being everyone is out for... it is their own, not their list. I don't mean that in a negative way, but what is the point of building a list? The point is to sell things to them and make money.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

          Plus, being IMers, we know who's well being everyone is out for... it is their own, not their list. I don't mean that in a negative way, but what is the point of building a list? The point is to sell things to them and make money.
          See, that's where I disagree. I say the point is to make sales by providing excellent value. If your main motivation in your business is to take care of yourself, your focus is misplaces.

          "You can have anything you want in life just as long as you help enough other people get what they want in life" -- Zig Ziglar
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

            See, that's where I disagree. I say the point is to make sales by providing excellent value. If your main motivation in your business is to take care of yourself, your focus is misplaces.

            "You can have anything you want in life just as long as you help enough other people get what they want in life" -- Zig Ziglar
            That is open to interpretation.

            Who says that people on weight loss list don't want an ebook on how to dress well when they are thin? I'm sure plenty of them do.

            But, you won't pitch it to them...why?

            Because you want to sell them your ebook first.
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            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
              Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

              That is open to interpretation.

              Who says that people on weight loss list don't want an ebook on how to dress well when they are thin? I'm sure plenty of them do.

              But, you won't pitch it to them...why?

              Because you want to sell them your ebook first.
              It has to do with the strategy behind the business. Not chasing the easiest dollar dangled in front of your face.

              Like I said. Not sure if my thinking makes sense. I just had a thought.
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          • Profile picture of the author VinceNouvel
            You are not buying anything and they are not selling anything.. ITs free I get a lot of thanks for blasting this offer to my subscriber.. They are all happy. Of course untill they posponed the launch date to tomorrow..
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            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
              Originally Posted by VinceNouvel View Post

              You are not buying anything and they are not selling anything.. ITs free I get a lot of thanks for blasting this offer to my subscriber.. They are all happy. Of course untill they posponed the launch date to tomorrow..
              Vince, AGAIN...I don't have anything against this offer in particular. This promotion was just responsible for sparking the thought. I could have come up with it a dozen times before, but for some reason I didn't. It just happened to hit me now.
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          • Profile picture of the author matthewd
            Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

            See, that's where I disagree. I say the point is to make sales by providing excellent value. If your main motivation in your business is to take care of yourself, your focus is misplaces.

            "You can have anything you want in life just as long as you help enough other people get what they want in life" -- Zig Ziglar
            You said you disagree, but you said the same thing I said "the point is to make sales" I did not say what method to use b/c obviously the most successful way is to offer great value... but wouldn't you say a chance to test drive a system for free that normally costs a lot of is an excellent opportunity?

            Everyone's ultimate motivation in their business is to take care of themselves... why else would they get into IM? If the ultimate motivation was for their customers, they would not have customers b/c everything they offer would be free!
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            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
              Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

              You said you disagree, but you said the same thing I said "the point is to make sales" I did not say what method to use b/c obviously the most successful way is to offer great value...
              I don't see what I said as the same thing. I said the point is to "make sales by providing excellent value" and you said "to sell things to them and make money". I apologize if you meant the same thing, but that's not the way I understood it.


              Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

              ... but wouldn't you say a chance to test drive a system for free that normally costs a lot of is an excellent opportunity?
              YET AGAIN, its not about this promotion in particular. The glut of emails for it just sparked the thought.


              Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

              Everyone's ultimate motivation in their business is to take care of themselves... why else would they get into IM?
              That's a result. True satisfaction is derived from the journey. Without a worthwhile journey, the result is just an empty shell.


              Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

              If the ultimate motivation was for their customers, they would not have customers b/c everything they offer would be free!
              That's not true. As long as the customer puts a higher value on what you're offering than the amount you charge for it, you're doing right by your customers.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dean Shainin
                Don't know if this is true in all markets but I've read and also experienced first hand that when someone enters your list "in most cases" they will be interested in what you have to offer for about the first 14 days.

                That's when they are in the sweet spot. So my thinking is that if a prospect does not buy your first product within the first 14 days they might buy another product that captures their attention and "gurus" an savvy marketers must know this.

                Also, not to be harsh but when you've already made Millions online you operate from another perspective than the typical marketer online. It's kinda like who gives a ---- attitude. If the prospect does not buy your product maybe they will buy an affiliated product. I'm not saying all "gurus" have that attitude but I know a couple who do from first hand experience with them and they convey that it can actually be very beneficial and healthy to weed out people that will never buy anything from you no matter what you do.

                Hence, these guys own this type of attitude and they always keep in mind that they don't have time to screw around wondering if it would be better for a certain subscriber to have purchased their own product first.

                Please take note that this is not directed towards you at all Lance just trying to convey the 'mind set' some people have in this industry...

                Cheers,
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                • Profile picture of the author greff
                  lots of posts, 3 posters.

                  yawn
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                  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                    Originally Posted by greff View Post

                    lots of posts, 3 posters.

                    yawn

                    You must have failed math class.

                    Thanks anyway for your stellar contribution.
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                • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                  Originally Posted by Dean Shainin View Post

                  Don't know if this is true in all markets but I've read and also experienced first hand that when someone enters your list "in most cases" they will be interested in what you have to offer for about the first 14 days.

                  That's when they are in the sweet spot. So my thinking is that if a prospect does not buy your first product within the first 14 days they might buy another product that captures their attention and "gurus" an savvy marketers must know this.

                  Also, not to be harsh but when you've already made Millions online you operate from another perspective than the typical marketer online. It's kinda like who gives a ---- attitude. If the prospect does not buy your product maybe they will buy an affiliated product. I'm not saying all "gurus" have that attitude but I know a couple who do from first hand experience with them and they convey that it can actually be very beneficial and healthy to weed out people that will never buy anything from you no matter what you do.

                  Hence, these guys own this type of attitude and they always keep in mind that they don't have time to screw around wondering if it would be better for a certain subscriber to have purchased their own product first.

                  Please take note that this is not directed towards you at all Lance just trying to convey the 'mind set' some people have in this industry...

                  Cheers,
                  Dean
                  That makes sense, Dean. But in the case of the guy I'm referring to, I have every intention of buying his high $ product in the future. Just not at the moment. I'm probably not the norm though. I see what you're saying. Thanks for the insight.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          Originally Posted by matthewd View Post

          Your idea makes sense in a different market, but in the IM market we are all trying to make money online. If it relates to making money online, then their list fits the market.
          What about people with "product development" or "market discovery" specialties promoting Stomper Net. Why would you need Stomper Net if you haven't yet bought their expertise? Isn't that putting the cart before the horse?
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