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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    Because they are big corporations with far greater resources, and server farms throughout the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
      Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      Because they are big corporations with far greater resources, and server farms throughout the world.
      How many servers would be needed to completely protect a company from those attacks?
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      • Profile picture of the author davezan
        Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

        How many servers would be needed to completely protect a company from those attacks?
        Probably as many as one can afford, given that DDoS attacks vary.
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  • Profile picture of the author JRWashington
    Well, Google and Amazon don't get effected by DDOS attacks that much, because they have more servers. You have to keep in mind that Aweber doesn't have nearly as much revenue as those companies and will therefore experience more downtime for various reasons.
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    • Profile picture of the author taffie
      Now this is serious?
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      • Profile picture of the author Clyde Dennis
        Originally Posted by taffie View Post

        Now this is serious?
        It got serious for me 3 days ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    DDoS attacks are scary.

    It's all about server muscle.

    The significance of a DDoS attack is a variable of two things really... The type of "request" (type of ping/flood) and the diversity (distribution) of the attack.

    If there's a MASSIVELY distributed attack - it's a matter of who has more resources. (Targeted server Vs. Botnet).

    Arguably, companies like Google and Amazon have just about enough Server power to handle the biggest Botnet in the world. (Arguably).

    Smaller companies just don't have that.

    I've said it before, and I'll say it again, DDoS attacks are a significant (and little-understood) problem for medium sized companies.

    (Medium particularly, because they're big enough to be a target, and small enough to be outmuscled from a DDoS perspective).

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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    It seems that GetResponse was attacked too.





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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    This is the 3rd attack in less than a week for Aweber. Man, talk about really hurting yoru business. It makes yo wonder whats going on? Hoping they resolve this soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Janet Sawyer
      One thing for certain folks, as soon as Aweber and Getresponse get working again download the back up of your lists.

      I managed to grab ours yesterday thankfully.

      It's a real shame that these businesses are being attacked in this way. The knock on effect of course is that your business is being attacked too.

      They say "never put your eggs in one basket", unfortunately today it really doesn't matter which basket you used because, neither will go through the checkout.

      Well for the past few days, the money most certainly hasn't been in the list.

      Let's hope things get back to normal real soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Last year Godaddy was attacked too. For one day all my sites were down. I guess we have to get used to these problems.



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  • Profile picture of the author Jassen
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    • Profile picture of the author David Black 68
      Originally Posted by Jassen View Post

      This is why you should always have two of everything. You should have two hosting accounts, with DNS failover. You should backup your list regularly, and be able to mail from it via multiple sources (e.g., my primary list is Aweber, but I can email the same people directly through DAP connected to Amazon SES).
      Hi Jassen - Can you tell me how DNS failover works or how I go about setting that up?
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    • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
      Originally Posted by Jassen View Post

      This is why you should always have two of everything. You should have two hosting accounts, with DNS failover. You should backup your list regularly, and be able to mail from it via multiple sources (e.g., my primary list is Aweber, but I can email the same people directly through DAP connected to Amazon SES).
      I agree with you on redundancy.

      Have you found a way to keep it all "synced"?
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      • Profile picture of the author Snatch
        Back to normal now, we hope that will not happen again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
    A Denial of Service attack basically clogs up the server with a ton of traffic and causes the server to overload and crash.

    Google and Amazon have massive data centers and tons of server power and because of that they can negate any attack and render it useless. No matter how much traffic the attackers send, it's like a drop in the ocean so to speak.

    I am sure some ambitious hackers have tried/still try to attack google and amazon but we don't know about them because they don't manage to take the websites down
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    If the number of the servers was the case then hostgator wouldn't get hit and I have been hit there 3 or 4 times since 2003 or was it 2002 i started anyways. They have plenty of servers and still get hit.
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  • Profile picture of the author Snatch
    What da HELL is going on here? The WWIII of the internet address? Statcounter was attacked yesterday too, I couldnt access the tracking data of my sites all day long. I am loosing sales due to aweber's attack.

    DAMMIT AWEBER!


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  • Profile picture of the author tkulzer
    Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

    Not sure what they mean with "protections in place".

    One thing I noticed is that "the big boys" like Google or Amazon do not seem to be getting (or being affected by) those DDOS attacks.

    That means there seems to be a technical solution for this.

    Why is Aweber not implementing this?
    Actually "the big boys" do get attacked and taken down at times.

    Hacker Arrested for 2008 DDoS Attacks on Amazon.com | PCWorld

    DDoS attacks are massive streams of junk data sent to a webserver that overwhelms the internet connections it's using to connect and service legitimate traffic. No data was in any way compromised. Here's a good article about the massive size of some of the most recent attacks.

    Technical Details Behind a 400Gbps NTP Amplification DDoS Attack | CloudFlare Blog

    The attacks we've seen the the last few days have been huge and no website that experiences them stays up. AWeber has been in business for 15 years and has successfully deflected dozens of such attacks in the past with security systems already in place. Regardless of what kind of attack mitigation methods used, if you throw a large enough attack at anyone, the site will fail. For the rare attack that you do actually hear about, there are dozens of others that you never hear or see because of all the systems we have in place to mitigate them.

    Dig around in Twitter a bit for DDoS, in the last 7 days there have been dozens of attacks on various very well known companies. All have gone down. With the size of these recent attacks and growing trend of even larger attacks we've made numerous significant additional investments in DDoS mitigation services for ongoing protection.

    Our team has been working around the clock to prevent the negative effects of these attacks and return all services to 100%. I apologize for any inconvenience these attacks have cause for you or your website visitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Simply, Google, or Amazon are more intelligent than Aweber.
    Wow. Have you been asleep during this whole discussion, or were you just hit with a random urge to post nonsense?

    Google and Amazon are, as companies, orders of magnitude larger than Aweber or their peers in the list hosting business. They have far larger network infrastructures, and are thus much tougher targets. And they can spend a lot more on DDoS mitigation because they have a much broader customer base across which to spread those costs.

    Simple stuff. Maybe if you spent a few minutes pondering reality instead of spewing whatever vitriol popped into your head as though it were gospel, you'd have thought of those things yourself.

    I understand the frustration. I really do. I do not, however, think bashing is an appropriate response to it.


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    • Profile picture of the author Paid2Be
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Wow. Have you been asleep during this whole discussion, or were you just hit with a random urge to post nonsense?

      Google and Amazon are, as companies, orders of magnitude larger than Aweber or their peers in the list hosting business. They have far larger network infrastructures, and are thus much tougher targets. And they can spend a lot more on DDoS mitigation because they have a much broader customer base across which to spread those costs.

      Simple stuff. Maybe if you spent a few minutes pondering reality instead of spewing whatever vitriol popped into your head as though it were gospel, you'd have thought of those things yourself.

      I understand the frustration. I really do. I do not, however, think bashing is an appropriate response to it.


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      Has SendReach been attacked?
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Originally Posted by Paid2Be View Post

        Has SendReach been attacked?
        Yet?

        I don't believe so, but they're small potatoes so far. Might be a while, or it might be tomorrow...


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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    Snatch, it's not a matter of "not happening again" it's a matter of "When."
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    • Profile picture of the author Snatch
      Originally Posted by Listhoven View Post

      Snatch, it's not a matter of "not happening again" it's a matter of "When."
      Jesus, God forbid, they better put some sort of a defense mechanism or it will hurt seriously their business we will start going with someone else...
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      • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
        Originally Posted by Snatch View Post

        Jesus, God forbid, they better put some sort of a defense mechanism or it will hurt seriously their business we will start going with someone else...
        And what makes you think "someone else" will not be hit in the same way by a DDoS attack?
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  • Profile picture of the author damian5000
    What they really need to do is catch a few of these ****s and start putting them in jail for LONG periods of time. I'm talking 5-10 years locked up. This is a form of terrorism. Anyone involved in it needs to be punished harshly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Geer
    Well that's because you're going to have a hell of a time attacking one of the biggest cloud farms in the world.

    Gaming sites are also getting DDoS attacks thrown at them as well. League of Legends is one of the world's most popular free games with million of players and they're getting hit every single night.

    Basically, some bored kid has multiple VPNs and nothing going on in his life so he wants to flex his internet power. Don't worry, he'll be caught just like the other "Anonymous" 4chan lurking internet tough guys that thought they had something to prove.
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  • Profile picture of the author reba00
    Down again -
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    It seems to me that Getresponse.com is going through the same thing. I can not log into my account. Anyone having the same issue with Getresponse?
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  • Profile picture of the author inboxtrail
    talfighel - yes, getresponse is down at the moment, aweber is up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Snatch
    I don't know about what you guys think, but too much violence is happening online and offline, something is may be about to happen...Siria, N Corea, Ukraine, Egypt, Irak etc... and now transferring to the internet...
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  • Profile picture of the author derekwong28
    I am sure they do get DDOS but they have more than enough redundant resources to deal with it. In fact, there was an attempt to bring down the whole Internet by targeting domain name servers a few years ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
    I noticed this issue yesterday actually , hopefully they are able to recoup stronger than before.

    It would be a big mess if people were to lose their lists, and other information stored.

    One of my mailing lists you cannot edit it correctly and shows up strangely.

    Hopefully it gets fixed soon if not I will have to give them a call and go from there.

    The key here is to always back up your lists, you never know when something can happen.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Matthew,
      The key here is to always back up your lists, you never know when something can happen.
      Yep. As easy as Aweber and the other 3rd party systems make it, there's really no reason not to. You can do it in literally a minute or less of actual time spent, and their backup format makes it easy to move a list, or merge several, or send to them using desktop software, or... pretty much anything you want to do.

      I'd add that it's a good idea to keep incremental backups, and store a copy offsite. Just to be safe(r).

      I get so annoyed when I hear people screaming that their list host "nuked their list." That doesn't happen nearly as often as it's claimed, and if they kept regular backups it wouldn't even be an issue worth stressing over for most people.


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  • Profile picture of the author Snatch
    Going to backup, didn't do it this month...
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Arnold
    It was pretty scary, definitely looking into backup services in the future.
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