OK, OK, enough with the endless emails already

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As someone who makes a significant portion of my more-than-decent living with the Ben Settle/Matt Furey style of daily or semi-daily emailing, I fully understand how 1-2 emails a day can make you a lot of money (when done right)...

However, people seem to be taking this to the extreme lately.

Here's a good example:



That's a well-known IM-er in the Health/Fitness niche (who does $xx,xxx,xxx/year) sending 7 emails to my inbox at once at 5:24 in the morning...

Am I supposed to read all of those?

He's not the only one either. I've noticed a ton of IM-ers kickin' up their email frequency by a few notches lately.

Anyone else noticing this and have any thoughts as to why it seems to be more commonplace now to get barraged by emails?
#emails #endless
  • Profile picture of the author mbacak
    Are you sure it's not some backed up emails from
    the recent d-dos attacks or are they always doing
    it this way... curious.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
      Originally Posted by mbacak View Post

      Are you sure it's not some backed up emails from
      the recent d-dos attacks or are they always doing
      it this way... curious.
      Now that's a thought... still, this particular IM-er was already doing 2-3 emails a day long before the DDOS attacks and his email provider was cleared up long before this morning... so idk.

      Still makes me wonder why everyone else seems to be ratcheting up their email frequency lately. :confused:
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      • Profile picture of the author mbacak
        Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

        Still makes me wonder why everyone else seems to be ratcheting up their email frequency lately. :confused:
        Only reason for anyone typically to do that is because of
        an increase of lead flow causing the thought of increasing
        the email flow... not saying it's right just saying that might
        be why... unless they are just simply just hurting for cash.

        I really don't know but those are some thoughts.
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      • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
        Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

        Now that's a thought... still, this particular IM-er was already doing 2-3 emails a day long before the DDOS attacks and his email provider was cleared up long before this morning... so idk.

        Still makes me wonder why everyone else seems to be ratcheting up their email frequency lately. :confused:
        2-3 emails per day would cause me to unsubscribe. Total overkill.
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        • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
          Originally Posted by mbacak View Post

          Only reason for anyone typically to do that is because of
          an increase of lead flow causing the thought of increasing
          the email flow... not saying it's right just saying that might
          be why... unless they are just simply just hurting for cash.

          I really don't know but those are some thoughts.
          He's definitely not hurting for cash, so increased lead flow might just be it.

          The guy is also known for being an insane tester too so there HAS TO be a reason for it.

          Originally Posted by BradVert2013 View Post

          2-3 emails per day would cause me to unsubscribe. Total overkill.
          Normally it would be the same for me, but I bought this IM-ers product and went through his upsell funnel specifically to get on this list because he's making a killing with email marketing, so I want to know why he does what he does.
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          • Profile picture of the author amysheperdwrites
            Maybe he's testing to see which articles are the most interesting and therefore get opened the most. I don't know about everyone else but when I start to get more than a couple emails per day from the same person, it's time to unsubscribe.

            Then again maybe the amount of products he sells increases enough to justify dealing with more unsubscribers.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    I am quite picky when it comes to what appears in my inbox and I am sure there are a lot of people like me out there. I tend to unsubscribe from any list that sends me more than 2 emails everyday.

    I think one email every other day or 2-3 a week is enough.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    Yeah, that's pretty bad, although I would agree with Matt that perhaps those are backed up emails on their system. Is the sender using Aweber? I don't think most people in their right mind would just blast away at their list in that manner.

    What also makes me unsubscribe is people who send me the same email more than once, or those that tell me that they have written a new article, or what happened recently....

    I got an email for this very special offer for a low price because the product was still in prelaunch and the special price was for those that would buy before it launched... upon further research it turns out that the product had come out 6 months ago.... well past any "pre launch" period. : /
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  • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
    Hmmmm, what Matt said about the DDOS attacks. That's a thought. It's also been PROVEN that the SAME people do NOT open emails every time, soooooooooo.....

    It's been PROVEN to be beneficial to an email marketer to send MULTIPLE emails a day to increase clicks.

    But I feel you, THAT many is a stretch.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    There are markets/niches that can support a high email frequency because they are large, fanatical and often on multiple lists.

    Many will unsubscribe if they get too many emails but just as many or more will tolerate the extra emails because they are on multiple lists and get 100s of emails a day. They hardly notice extra emails from any one particular list.

    These are the core repeat buyers who buy all the shiny objects, leave them untouched on their hard drive and then buy more. They are disorganized, sometimes even buy the same product twice because they forgot they already have it, and continue to 'chase the dream'.

    It's why spam works so well in some markets - despite the legal risks and ethical detractors.

    Then it comes down to which subjects/authors grab their attention for the few messages they bother to open on any given day.

    From the marketers perspective it comes down to maximizing the return by a balance of increased income from frequent emails vs unsubscribe rate.

    So if 1 email a day = 2-3 unsubscribers but it isn't until 6 or more emails a day that unsubscribers jump to 5-6 a day then you can probably find a balance of increasing your emails to 3-4 day, tripling your potential offers, while still keeping your unsubscribers to a level that does not negatively affect your list income.

    When Obama was running email campaigns for fundraising they found they could send many emails a day without dramatically affecting the unsubscribe rate. (Google "Obama email marketing")

    Fortunately for Obama and all political campaigns that will follow, the tests did yield one major counterintuitive insight: Most people have a nearly limitless capacity for e-mail and won't unsubscribe no matter how many they're sent. "At the end, we had 18 or 20 writers going at this stuff for as many hours a day as they could stay awake," says (campaign email director Toby) Fallsgraff. "The data didn't show any negative consequences to sending more."

    Politics is one of the niches I would consider 'email tolerant'. I think health/weightloss and MMO fit as well.

    As you say - he is a fanatical tester so he may very well be testing the tolerance of his list for more frequent emails.

    Mahlon

    PS Obama's team did admit:

    "We do know that getting all those e-mails in your in-box is at least mildly irritating to some people. Even my father would point that out to me."
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    I just got done reading a report by a pretty well known IMer. He recommends emailing your list 5-7 times per day. In the report he says people that unsubscribe are not going to buy a product anyway so that's a number that you completely ignore. The number you need to be concerned with is how many new leads you are adding every day. The report goes on to say that as long as you are adding 3 times as many subscribers as you are losing every day then you are fine and you will never burn your list.

    Basically, the report teaches that the days of relationship building are done and that the new way to do email marketing is to "turn and burn".

    I'm pretty sure others have probably read this same report, because as I said this IMer is pretty well known. I wouldn't say he's huge, but he has certainly sold a few products and has had a few WSOs.

    Do I agree with this method? Well, not really. But it does seem to be awfully popular these days. I usually don't unsubscribe much just because I send the emails to my promos folder, and what goes in there doesn't get read that much anyway. Usually once a day I'll peruse through it but the marketers that I really follow I have set to come into my primary folder. However, I'm on several lists where I get 5-7 emails per day from the marketer.

    Again, I'm not saying this is right or wrong, I'm just saying that it's a pretty common practice. Honestly, I'm not sure at this point what to believe. Personally, I don't send that many emails, but I do send 1 per day. I tend to have a pretty low unsub rate and a decent conversion rate and I don't get too many complaints, so I think 1 a day is what works for me. However, what works for me may not work for someone else, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    I'm on literally hundreds of email lists...

    Seriously... I've been joining every email list I can find for years.

    You'd be shocked to see how many marketers send a TON of emails daily.

    I'm talking 8-9 times per day.

    (And a solid percentage send at least 2-3).

    The question you have to ask yourself, is what kind of marketer are you?

    I think this type of email style has been proven to work.

    Have you ever joined a presidential candidate's email list prior to their election?

    I have. I follow that stuff like a science.

    You'll notice, the majority of politicians send SEVERAL EMAILS PER DAY when they're trying to make a sale. (They're trying to sell themselves).

    Since they have some of the smartest minds in marketing working on their behalf...

    Maybe there's something to learn from them?

    :]

    Just my $.02

    PS: I've also found that the more frequently I send mail, the LESS complaints and unsubscribes I get. (Maybe because everyone who doesn't like my style has already left, but it is what it is).
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    • Profile picture of the author dapaleezy
      It just what marketers do once they got your email address they will email you endlessly. I was once with a certain program that taught me that in the training. Only difference was the number of times they said was acceptable per day. Some people just don't care so if they email you crazy like that that's the type...
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    Everyone has their own way of doing business.

    Sending multiple daily emails *works*. That's why people do it.

    Now, you can also create the relationship email model as well: send out a morning/evening "Hi! How are you? Here's what is new with me!" and also promo emails where you give bonuses/etc.

    I've been doing that off and on now since 2012 of May. That's *me*. The folks who stay on my list are the ones who appreciate what I deliver/notify them about.

    Always do business with those you trust.... and NEVER do what others say simply because others say it.

    Learn what works best for *you*.
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  • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
    I've recently signed up with a few marketers from here.

    Once they started hitting me with multiple daily emails I unsubscribed. It's overkill, as is sending me multiple 'get this amazing product' links in each email.

    And if they use the word 'Shocking', even once, I'm off!
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    I always unsubscribe whenever I receive more than one email message per day.







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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      I like the once that send me an email once every few weeks, cause then I'm sure they really have something interesting to mention.

      There is only one other marketer that I'm fine with when he sends one email per day, mostly once in every two days btw.

      For the rest it's all crap really and I unsubscribe as soon as the product is bought, and after testing the product it also always turn out to have some very annoying bugs or missing essential features which makes it virtually worthless.

      eGuides and that kind of things I don't even look at.
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  • Profile picture of the author ddev
    If he is testing, the tagging period should be short to avoid angry people.

    The problem is that not all the AR's have tagging systems (example: Aweber doesn't), so
    most of the people send all kind of stuff to their subscribers (diet programs, wordpress plugins, vps discounts etc).

    Comment: For Aweber you can use a third party plugin like the one offered by awprotools.com (no affiliate link) to tag people and create segments based on their interests (example, if you send them an email to download a free WP theme, those who click your link can be automatically tagged with a label like "WordPress") etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrgoe
    I wouldn`t read one of them. And probably I`d unsubscribe from that list. It seems stupid thinking I`d get all those mails and read them all, it`s not homework.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    If six emails all sent with the same time stamp is out of character, it may be simple human error. Especially if the guy is such a testing fanatic.

    My guess is that, like scheduling tweets on Twitter, the emails were meant to be spread out throughout the day. Set them for a day and not a time, and when the cron job runs to send the day's emails, they all get sent at once.
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    I email 3x a week or so. Sometimes one of them is a promotional email. Sometimes none of them are. When its not a promotional email I try to give useful value and content.

    Now there are people who email every day and there are people who email 5x a day. The thing is that if you dont like it you have total control. Tell the sender hes emailing you to much .. with the unsubscribe button.

    Why do some people email 5x a day? Simple because their list tolerates it.
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