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wordpress vs html/css

by darbok
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is it worth trying to get good with html/css when it can just be done in wordpress? I have stumbling blocks in html and starting to think its not worth it, thinking if i had used wordpress I'd been done yesterday.
#html or css #wordpress
  • Profile picture of the author Graham Maddison
    I used to have the same issues and as a result switched to wordpress and haven't looked back since. What bit of html I did get to grips with has proved valuable though.
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  • Profile picture of the author vikash_kumar
    WordPress is always recommended, Though Even working with WordPress...Little bit of working knowledge is always desirable.
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  • Profile picture of the author TotalWebsiteControl
    It has been awhile since i have seen a straight up HTML site. Wordpress is just easier to deal with and google tends to favor it ( in my opinion )
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    • Profile picture of the author Dani78
      Wordpress is good, because you have universal
      template and functions through plugins. Knowing
      html still helps either way.

      For a blog definitely wordpress, for landing pages
      and sales pages, either wordpress or static templates
      will do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peru101
    Originally Posted by teginder81 View Post

    [...] let's say you have some common text (like a navigational bar or a brief "about me" section on each of the pages of your site, and one day when you have a hundred pages on your site, you suddenly decide to change the "about me" text a little on each of your pages, you will have to make the change in each of the files. {Snip}
    A simple PHP includes line of code will do the trick.

    Originally Posted by teginder81 View Post

    Rarely if you come across some minor changes, then you could either change the PHP code yourself or ask someone for help.
    I disagree. It takes me twice as long to fiddle with WordPress than it does to code sites myself.

    Originally Posted by Henrich View Post

    It has been awhile since i have seen a straight up HTML site. Wordpress is just easier to deal with and google tends to favor it ( in my opinion )
    I've actually seen the opposite.

    Look, if you don't want to mess with code yourself, by all means, go WordPress. You will probably find what you're looking for.

    But no one ever mentions WordPress's drawbacks, and that was the point of this post.
    - Takes longer to load pages
    - Security holes
    - Have to pay someone to code when it's broken
    - A billion plugins with multiple files that could have been accomplished in a few lines of code

    What were you having trouble doing in HTML? Maybe I can help.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe721
      Peru101 making excellent points here. WordPress is not the perfect alternative to any well designed website using php includes, which are simple to use and require no real php knowledge.

      As for plugins, again, much of what they do can be done easily with a few third party scripts and without the ridiculous overhead in wordpress.

      He is also correct about the security issues, wordpress is hightly targeted by hackers.

      Something he did not mention is themes - ever actually found one that was cheap or free and looked how you wanted it to? Ok, I'll be flamed for that, no doubt, but the fact is the forums are FULL of how to modify this theme or that theme to get it to do what you want.

      My approach is a goo website with a blog attached to it in the same domain, easy for me and good for google.

      Just my 2c
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
        Originally Posted by Joe721 View Post

        Peru101 making excellent points here. WordPress is not the perfect alternative to any well designed website using php includes, which are simple to use and require no real php knowledge.

        As for plugins, again, much of what they do can be done easily with a few third party scripts and without the ridiculous overhead in wordpress.

        He is also correct about the security issues, wordpress is hightly targeted by hackers.

        Something he did not mention is themes - ever actually found one that was cheap or free and looked how you wanted it to? Ok, I'll be flamed for that, no doubt, but the fact is the forums are FULL of how to modify this theme or that theme to get it to do what you want.

        My approach is a goo website with a blog attached to it in the same domain, easy for me and good for google.

        Just my 2c
        All true and yes Peru101 made excellent points.

        About WordPress security. WordPress can secure in two ways:
        1. Secured server side outside public_html. Here is how...

        2. Secure WordPress plugin & a secure WordPress theme. Here are two:
        a. WordPress plugin: Better WP Security.
        b. WordPress theme: PlanetStarta.

        It can still be exploited, but only by a very skilled person.

        Originally Posted by Joe721 View Post

        My approach is a goo website with a blog attached to it in the same domain, easy for me and good for google.

        Just my 2c
        That is one of my favorite approaches as well. A good HTML home page with a WordPress blog work very well in terms of online marketing and SEO.

        Jeffery 100% :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Walter Cyclid
      Originally Posted by Peru101 View Post

      A simple PHP includes line of code will do the trick.


      I disagree. It takes me twice as long to fiddle with WordPress than it does to code sites myself.


      I've actually seen the opposite.

      Look, if you don't want to mess with code yourself, by all means, go WordPress. You will probably find what you're looking for.

      But no one ever mentions WordPress's drawbacks, and that was the point of this post.
      - Takes longer to load pages
      - Security holes
      - Have to pay someone to code when it's broken
      - A billion plugins with multiple files that could have been accomplished in a few lines of code

      What were you having trouble doing in HTML? Maybe I can help.
      I agree totally with this. The big myth about Wordpress is that it is easier than coding HTML. It can be if you don't care about what your site does or how it looks.

      To try and get away from this stigma, a lot of people using wordpress now have started calling wordpress a content management system. Wordpress is still basically a blogger's platform, and as such, is very restrictive in letting you decided how you want your site or blog to look or perform.

      Messing with layers, css, tables, menu layout, etc, are very much more convoluted to deal with in wordpress, if not impossible. The answer then is the common 'just go get a plugin that kind of does what you want and be satisfied with that'.

      No thank you. It's my website. I want it the way I want it, and that can only be accomplished by knowing how to code HTML.

      Wysyig editors can often ease the process of website development, but even it (not even Dreamweaver) doesn't allow complete control of website construction, yet even the using a wyswig editor is much more preferable than using wordpress.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Sounds to me like the OP was wondering if it were worth the time to learn html and CSS, versus using wordpress.

    You just about have to gain some knowledge either way, Security is always a concern, take your pick, you can find someone every day that gets hacked, but really as long as you take precautions, you can reduce the chances of having a security problem.

    You can use wordpress and still learn plenty about html and CSS not to mention PHP

    HTML5, definitely something you want to be aware of.

    There is good and bad about anything online, hosting, security, programming, editing, content, video, good bad and ugly, the best thing you can do is choose the options that best fit in with "Your" Goals, don't worry about what other people think about your choices, if it works for you, that is really all that matters.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

    Sounds to me like the OP was wondering if it were worth the time to learn html and CSS, versus using wordpress.

    You just about have to gain some knowledge either way, Security is always a concern, take your pick, you can find someone every day that gets hacked, but really as long as you take precautions, you can reduce the chances of having a security problem.

    You can use wordpress and still learn plenty about html and CSS not to mention PHP

    HTML5, definitely something you want to be aware of.

    There is good and bad about anything online, hosting, security, programming, editing, content, video, good bad and ugly, the best thing you can do is choose the options that best fit in with "Your" Goals, don't worry about what other people think about your choices, if it works for you, that is really all that matters.
    Agreed.

    Originally Posted by darbok View Post

    is it worth trying to get good with html/css when it can just be done in wordpress? I have stumbling blocks in html and starting to think its not worth it, thinking if i had used wordpress I'd been done yesterday.
    IMHO, Yes it is good to "get good" with html/css when it can just be done in wordpress. Though a webmaster can not always do everything with WordPress that a webmaster can do with html/css and vice versa. Depends on the webmasters's skills with both WordPress and HTML. Same goes for HTML5 and PHP.

    Originally Posted by Peru101 View Post

    But no one ever mentions WordPress's drawbacks, and that was the point of this post.
    - Takes longer to load pages
    - Security holes
    - Have to pay someone to code when it's broken
    - A billion plugins with multiple files that could have been accomplished in a few lines of code
    All true, and yes WordPress has a lot of drawbacks, but the same issues also exist with HTML if the code is not professionaly coded (not you).
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  • Profile picture of the author Jtraits
    i'd prefer working with WP since it's in the top web portals and easy to customize ...
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