Can someone please clarify article duplication for me??

by cylwac 15 replies
Hey,


I have heard so much debate over article duplication my head is spinning .

Does submitting the SAME article to different article sites hurt you in rankings?

Is it a bad idea to do this?

Should I change different aspects of the article to make if different?

OR

Just submit my articles to one site and never duplicate?

If someone could clarify this I would really appreciate it.

Thanks,

Victoria
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    Victoria,

    If you are looking for a clear cut answer to this question, you are going to be disappointed

    Some will say that you are penalized, but based on what I have seen in the search engines, I don't see it depending on what your intentions are.

    I don't think you will see the same article ranked on the first page of Google for 2 different sites if they are the same exact article. However, if your intention is to get backlinks then I think that you get decent results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      It will not hurt you to submit the exact same article to multiple websites. In fact, if your intentions are placed correctly, it will actually help.

      Sorry if I posted this too soon after Jeremy's post.

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    • Profile picture of the author cylwac
      Thanks Jeremy,


      I know its a very controversial question.

      My purpose would be to get more backlinks to my sites to help them in rank better.

      For getting backlinks duplicating articles is okay:confused:

      Thanks again,

      Victoria
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      • Profile picture of the author cylwac
        Thanks Allen,

        I didn't think it would hurt but I just wanted to double check and make sure.

        Thanks,

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        • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
          Your welcome,

          Until (very) recently there was no clear-cut answer...but as Jeremy said, there was never really any evidence or proof that this would cause you any pain. Even though people were saying it was a definite one way or another, I can tell you from testing thousands of articles, that there was no difference.

          Today, however, there is a difference that I have found which is backed up by some serious grass. It will definitely not hurt you and it may even help you if you know what you're doing.

          There have been some changes over the last few weeks. Things have been shaken up and are beginning to setlle in some "far out" ways.

          I shot you a PM with more details.

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          • Profile picture of the author cylwac
            Thanks Allen,

            You are one cool cat!


            Victoria
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Okay, let's look at this logically, because this issue has been driving me crazy
              for a dog's age and the myths have to stop.

              Let's take an article that you write. Let's call it "How To Scratch A Dog's Ears
              With A Cat's Whiskers"

              Okay, we submit this article to Ezine Articles. Fine. It's now there.

              Okay, now, Ezine Articles has their own policy for use of their content. You
              can take the article, as is, and post it on your OWN site as long as you
              keep the article intact JUST as it is, resource box and all. Correct?

              Okay, so now John Doe finds your article "How To Scratch A Dog's Ears With
              A Cat's Whiskers" and he posts the article on HIS site.

              If there was a duplicate content penalty for this, John Doe's article would
              never get listed. There would be NO point in Ezine Articles' service and
              they would effectively go out of business as they are there to provide
              content for website owners who don't have the time or skill to create their
              own content.

              Okay, so are we in agreement so far?

              Okay, fine. Well, if John Doe can take YOUR article and put it on HIS site,
              why can't YOU take YOUR article and put it on YOUR site?

              What's the difference?

              There is no difference.

              As somebody above said, if you download the entire Ezine Articles and
              created an Ezine Articles 2, yes, that domain would get bitch slapped to
              no end and wouldn't show up anywhere. But because of the nature of
              article directories and the service they provide, there is no way that having
              your article on more than one site is going to be a problem for you.

              Let's take this one step farther.

              You write an article for a site as a guest blogger, which I do from time to
              time. There is nothing stopping you from taking that same article and
              putting on your own site or another site for that matter. Again, it's the same
              issue as with the directories.

              I hope this finally clears up this nonsense once and for all.

              And if anybody doesn't believe me, go to Google and type in a phrase
              and see how many articles come up for that phrase and how many of
              them are the SAME ARTICLE plastered all over the freakin place.

              Duplicate content on THIS small a scale is a myth.

              And a very bad one at that.
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              • Profile picture of the author cylwac
                Thanks Pete and Steven,


                It does make sense after wording it so nicely and with a great explanation.


                I guess I have lots of work to do!

                Cheers,

                Victoria
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                  • Profile picture of the author flnz400
                    Hey thanks guys for posting in detail. I've never been much of an article marketer, and was curious why people wouldn't leverage their outsourced writings multiple times (assuming the dup content hype).

                    This makes a lot more sense, AND (to those who want CHEAP services) it's a much more sound business decision to purchase top notch media (ghost writing, articles, whatever) that is of the highest quality from reliable content producers that can be leveraged more than once.

                    Using a little creativity, a $500 content investment could go a looooooong way.

                    Not sure what you meant by "far out", Allen?

                    As someone who is looking at beginning some article marketing, it makes almost no sense to buy 2 dollar articles, imo.
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      • Profile picture of the author peteinoz
        the duplicate penalty is largely a myth, in relation to article marketing.

        There is indeed a duplicate penalty, though this is more entire site related..

        e.g If I downloaded all of ezine articles.. and uploaded it to ezinearticles2.com
        the later will get a huge penalty, most likely of being delisted entirely..

        though

        anyone can rip an article from ezine and put it on another website and provide a good linking strategy to this ripped article and rank higher than the original any day of the week.

        The most important factor in articles ranking well in the serps is backlinks. next title of article. which imo is the most over looked factor missed by a LOT of article marketers.

        Provide backlinks to your articles hosted on the article directories and they pass on even more link love and traffic to your site

        So in answer to your question, theres absolutely no problem posting the same article across the dir's to gain backlinks to your site.

        hth's

        Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    Your site won't get banned by Google for this practice, so don't worry about that. Google will just give precedence to the site that hosts your article with the highest page rank. So say you post it on your site which has a PR of 5 and then on Ezinearticles with a PR of 8. The ezine articles listing will appear in Google and yours won't. This is to stop users being spammed with the same information 100 times, when they search in Google. I also think that as long as your content is 30% different this is enough for Google to count it as a different article. So cosnider writing your article differently for posting on your site, than of article directories. Having post 500+ high quality articles myself, I only now use ezine articles because it delivers the best traffic by far.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Paid Surveys View Post

      Your site won't get banned by Google for this practice, so don't worry about that. Google will just give precedence to the site that hosts your article with the highest page rank. So say you post it on your site which has a PR of 5 and then on Ezinearticles with a PR of 8. The ezine articles listing will appear in Google and yours won't. This is to stop users being spammed with the same information 100 times, when they search in Google. I also think that as long as your content is 30% different this is enough for Google to count it as a different article. So cosnider writing your article differently for posting on your site, than of article directories. Having post 500+ high quality articles myself, I only now use ezine articles because it delivers the best traffic by far.
      This is so not true it isn't even funny.

      Go to Google, search for, oh I don't know, just about anything.

      Look to see what articles appear at EZA and then look to see how many
      of those articles are elsewhere on sites with PR ratings nowhere near
      EZA.

      Sorry, this is not even close to reality.
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Steven is right.

        That is simply not the case.

        Of course, PR has SOME bearing on the ranking algorithm, otherwise why have PR? ...but not much in this case.

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        • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
          Hi Victoria,

          1) The only Duplicate content issue people get mixed up with is the same URL duplication, IE if you have articleX on your website TWICE Google will count this as duplicate content and maybe punish you (sandbox or worse). Of course I have no proof of the penalty for duplication but I know Google will label it as DUPLICATE.

          2) If there was a penalty for submitting the same article to more than 2 sites then the Google algorithms could be gamed and Google will eventually lose all search engine power. I estimate if Google algo's were documented it would take 4 years for them to fall.

          If you/me was penalized for submitting the same article to 2 sites then I could upload a YouTube help page to EzineArticles and one of them would be punished eliminating both of my competition. See where I'm going with this?

          My point is the Google dup issue only arises with 2/3..4 of the SAME article on the same domain.

          Louis

          P.S. if there was such a penalty I'd be no.1 in the ranking for all keywords and competition would be begging for mercy
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          • Profile picture of the author TimG
            There have already been some great comments from folks that know article marketing so no reason for me to repeat what they said (plus I'm short on time as this is my lunch break).

            For years, I've maintained that duplicate hasn't been an issue with any of my sites (even sites built with unchanged PLR material). In fact, the only issue I ever had with any of my sites was with what I call mirror content which did indeed take a $3000 a month site and turn it into a $300 a month site.

            As Allen has mentioned if you use an article on your site that you intend to submit elsewhere then there are a few things you can do to encourage Google to rank it higher but here is my number 1 reason for not putting the same article on my site that I submit elsewhere - Human Reaction and a Stickiness Factor.

            If someone reads my article on ezinearticles.com and then clicks the link in my resource box which leads to my site where the same article resides then how motivated are they to stay on my site and read the same article - most likely not very motivated which could send them away without clicking on any of my links that have been moneitized (affiliate, CPA, adsense..etc).

            I personally like the articles on my site to be different from what I submit because I want a small degree of stickiness so the visitor to my site starts to read a "new/different" article on the same topic and then gets side tracked by one of my adsense ads, cpa links, affiliate links, opt-in box...etc

            Understanding all of this some would question why don't I just link from my submitted article to a completely different article instead of the same article - That's one way aroudn this but it doesn't help with future changes. What do I mean by that - lets suppose that for now having the same article on your site that you submit to the directories doesn't hurt you at all but in 12 months new algo changes in the search engines causes this to now become harmful. Would you have the time or desire to go back and make changes to your site.

            I like to view everything as a chess match, meaning I always try and thing 2 moves ahead in order to be prepared for any changes that occur. Additionally, if everyone else is submitting the same articles as on their own sites doesn't that provide some support for taking a few extra minutes to change the content on your site in order to be slightly different. Sometimes that's all it takes to be profitable instead of non-profitable.

            With all of that said, I cannot provide a scientific data filled explanation to back up what I am saying. I only rely on what has been working for me for the last few years and continues to work extremely well. It doesn't mean I'm right or that I disagree with anything anyone else has posted in this thread because at the end of the day whatever you are doing to make a profit is great and there is more then one way to drink beer!!

            Respectfully,
            Tim
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            • Profile picture of the author Heimdall
              Hey Victoria:

              I had no idea we had some Ontario IM hotties on this site ;-)
              Where are you from? (in ON)
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              • Profile picture of the author cylwac
                Thanks for all the great information everyone, you have ALL really cleared this up for me!

                bfman - I'm from Muskoka, 2 hours north of Toronto.....I'm a northern outdoorsy girl!

                Cheers everyone,

                Victoria
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