Are You Still Loyal To The Warrior Forum?

Banned 9 years ago

I think you're making a big deal about this.

You can either take a proactive role in helping the community run smoothly or not. Either way, you are here which tends to tell me you get something out being a member.

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sethczerepak

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap

I think you're making a big deal about this.

You can either take a proactive role in helping the community run smoothly or not. Either way, you are here which tends to tell me you get something out being a member.

That's really the question...are you going to be loyal to the community or to the owners?

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sbucciarel

Banned 9 years ago

At the moment, it's still the same community it was before with a different owner. The impact of new ownership hasn't really hit, so there's no major changes. If you like this community, why wouldn't you want to continue to help it stay spam free, no matter who owns it.

I do.

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bharatreddy 9 years ago

we can take the ownership to make it spam free what say guys ??
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StanHyeck

9 years ago

The forum isn't the owner or the mods, it's the community. That hasn't changed.

If you liked the forum a week ago there's no reason to change that opinion this week.

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heavysm 9 years ago

I don't hang around other IM forums. If WF changes it would have to be drastic and unbearable for me to stop snooping around.

The WF was my beginning and I hope to be around to help others as they start out as well.
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David Mcalorum

9 years ago

I was just thinking about how the forum still feels
the same, despite the ownership. Personally, still LOVE
this forum!

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salegurus

9 years ago

Why does it matter who owns the forum?
If you like it here then it's in your/our own interest to report spam etc.
It keeps the forum clean and running smoothly...

Originally Posted by StanHyeck

The forum isn't the owner or the mods, it's the community.

Ummm NO, if that were the case then a check in the amount of about $5 would be on it's way to you now...

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bwh1

9 years ago

Would you still buy the same car you have if ownership of the manufacturer changes?

Who cares about ownership if the product is good.

Not to lower Allan's importance here, the WF is what it is today thanks to him (and the community) but if the new owner won't change things significantly (in a negative way) and the community remains the same there is no reason to "feel" strange.

I think you over think it a bit.

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Meharis

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Brent Stangel

I must admit, my feelings have changed. It's not that I have anything against the new owners, I don't know them.

I had a great deal of respect for Allen before I ever became a member here. I've come to feel the same about the Mods. that I have dealt with. I feel a certain amount of loyalty to them that shows it's self in me doing what I can to help.

I find I don't feel as inclined to report spam or the like. Does any one else feel like this.

I am very curious to know if I'm the only one.

I hope the new owners will earn my loyalty over time, I really do.

What do you think?

Brent

Brent Stangel,

I wonder why you did open the umbrella and is not raining yet...

I personally believe all members made this forum a great place to be in.

Meharis

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Simpilot938 9 years ago

Haven't seen a happen'worth (half penny worth) of change yet and don't expect to. If it ain't broke why would somebody try to fix it.

No need to look for a cannon when no one is even waving a spud gun.

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stoltingmediagroup 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Meharis

I wonder why you did open the umbrella and is not raining yet...

Wow! That's deep!

Going to use that line...
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RobinInTexas 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Meharis

Brent Stangel,

I wonder why you did open the umbrella and is not raining yet...

Perhaps he thinks the sunlight is too intense.
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- Meharis 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by RobinInTexas
  
  Perhaps he thinks the sunlight is too intense.
  
  And you didn't think he is at the East coast and is night already...
  
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  Jeff Schuman 9 years ago
  
  You get out of the Warrior Forum what you want no matter who owns it. I have mainly come here over the years to learn and keep a pulse on what is going on with Internet marketing.
  
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magiclouie

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Meharis

Brent Stangel,

I wonder why you did open the umbrella and is not raining yet...

I personally believe all members made this forum a great place to be in.

Meharis

He just thought of sharing his opinion and at the same time want to hear his fellow Warriors' opinions as well.

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Brent Stangel

9 years ago

Thanks for all your replies.

It's not a big deal. It's more of a curiosity.

I was surprised I felt that way and wondered if I was the only one.

If your friend owned a house you drove by every day, and every day you checked to make sure everything was cool, would you do the same if a stranger bought it?

Humans are complex critters.

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discrat 9 years ago

We have a real good community here. I think Warrior is about as close as you can get as far as being close knit without meeting in person.
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Chris Grable

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Brent Stangel

Thanks for all your replies.

It's not a big deal. It's more of a curiosity.

I was surprised I felt that way and wondered if I was the only one.

If your friend owned a house you drove by every day, and every day you checked to make sure everything was cool, would you do the same if a stranger bought it?

Humans are complex critters.

I would if I lived two doors down and was worried about my neighborhood.

cag

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BIG Mike

Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Brent Stangel

If your friend owned a house you drove by every day, and every day you checked to make sure everything was cool, would you do the same if a stranger bought it?

I think a better analogy might be, would you move to another city simply because you didn't vote for the new mayor who was just elected?

Of course not - and quite honestly, I don't visit and participate in the WF because Allen owned it. I like the community, have friends here and there are a lot of members whom I respect for their accomplishments - they're the reason I'm here and that's all the reason I need.

No matter who owns the WF, they can't ever take that away from you.

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Meharis

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Brent Stangel

If your friend owned a house you drove by every day, and every day you checked to make sure everything was cool, would you do the same if a stranger bought it?

If it was me, I'll go, ring the bell and when he show up I'll say:
Welcome to the neighborhood!
That's it. No stranger any longer.

Humans are complex critters.

Humans are part of life.
Life is simple.
Humans complicate it

Meharis

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datingworld

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Brent Stangel

If your friend owned a house you drove by every day, and every day you checked to make sure everything was cool, would you do the same if a stranger bought it?

Humans are complex critters.

This is the place where we participate in discussions, make money, make friends, learn new things, share things with others and much more.

Your curiosity would be understandable if major changes would have occured on this forum. However I don't see any major changes coming to the forum in the nearest future.

Let's make this community the best marketing community in the world despite who owns the forum. Whoever owns the forum, we must be thankful to him / her for providing us a clean and spam free platform where we learn new things everyday.

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agmccall 9 years ago

I am good as long as it stays the same, or gets better. If it turns into a vehicle for Freelancer and their vendors to get more traffic then I will move on

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ginnysclub1 9 years ago

If the new owners are responsible for the drop in price for listing a WSO - I love them.

But joking aside I didn't like what they did to Scriptlance.com when they took over. Prices on everything was hiked left, right and centre. In addition to bringing a monthly subscription.

If they intend on doing the same here, well be prepared for happy spending times ahead.

Although I must admit I haven't returned to Freelancer (formerly Scriptlance) since it was acquired.
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Dennis Gaskill

9 years ago

Brent,

It's a community-driven forum. The members create the content. That hasn't changed, and the mods are still the same ones as before.

Allen even said he'd probably be able to post more often.

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XponentSYS

9 years ago

Allen even said he'd probably be able to post more often.

I wanna see Allen run a WSO

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Paul Myers

9 years ago

Brent,

For 90+% of the people reading your post, "Who owns the place" is irrelevant. What they want to know is, can I find information that can help me to reach my goals? That is the right perspective for them to adopt. That is how most people view online resources, and the purpose of those resources.

Then there is the constant parade of new folks who find the forum through search engines or links on sites and decide to stick around long enough to see what's what. Those new people are enough, all by themselves, to drive the place forward. And that's a good thing.

They will only know the status quo, and that will be all that matters, or should matter, to them.

What the old-timers think doesn't matter. As soon as someone says "Boo!," there will be some dynamic new member who will jump in and argue against the Boo! position, or co-opt it as their own. If they are persuasive enough, they will own that space here.

That's the nature of the beast, and it's a good thing. It ensures continuity of idea exchange, and the proliferation of communities with diverse perspectives. It's why we don't allow bashing (or promotion) of other forums. The world needs all those perspectives.

From another view, I want to see the folks here succeed. As many of them as have the psychological wherewithal to do so, anyway.

From a purely personal viewpoint... No. I don't feel any loyalty toward, or enmity for, Freelancer.com. They could suck, or they could be the best thing that ever happened to the place. I have no clue, other than an encouraging conversation with Alaister. "We'll see" is the best I can do on that.

What I, or you, think doesn't matter in the long run. If they manage the place right, it will grow and prosper. If they don't, it won't. And whether you or I are still here won't make a ticks' worth of difference to their bottom line.

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WillR

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Grable

Will, I was with you right up until your point about Facebook. I personally don't find facebook helpful. It seems just fine for an ongoing conversation with a handful of folks. Beyond that, it gets unwieldy. If you want to provide 10's of thousands of users with searchable access to 10's of thousands of current and previous conversations.... I just don't see facebook doing that.

Am I missing something?

I think times are changing. All of the marketers I know who used to hang out here day in and day out now spend way more time interacting with one another on Facebook. There are plenty of Facebook private groups running and they are all searchable. Definitely not as easy as searching a forum but forums tend to be full of a lot of old and outdate information whereas most people want current and up to date answers.

Not saying a forum can't still be run obviously. Just saying times are (well have) changed.

Originally Posted by Kay King

Alaister - the new Administrator - has been a WF member since we went to the latest platform in 2008. That's more than "a few weeks" getting to know the place.

I see no reason to get caught up looking for or expecting problems.

Seems very smooth so far.

Hostgator was a good example. They were bought out last year, immediately changed things, and a ton of their users jumped ship. That's an example of what happens if companies change things and alienate their users.

I have no idea what the new owners have planned. My only point was the first change I have seen them make in lowering fees is already something that would make me want to spend less money here. That's just the reality of the situation for me and not sure if that is their plan? Not saying it is right or wrong but they may want to ask their user base before making big changes like that. All it takes is one or two changes the user base does not like and they'll move elsewhere.

Look forward to seeing what they have planned. Hopefully they let the users vote for what they do and do not what changed. That is key.

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bwh1 9 years ago

Originally Posted by XponentSYS

I wanna see Allen run a WSO

LOL, it's only 20 bucks, sure he can afford it
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WillR

9 years ago

Still the same community BUT you'll often find people who buy out other businesses have a habit of wanting to get straight in and change everything. That is what alienates users. So I hope they don't do this. One example is them dropping the WSO fee on the day of the takeover announcement. How much thought did they actually give to that decision? Did they buy the forum and then spend weeks getting to know how it works, it's members, what it's members want before changing anything? Personally the dropping of the fee was a silly decision on my part and they would have been told this had they asked members who have actually been using the forum for the past x amount of years and contributed to most of the forums income.

The forum has been kicking along and growing for the last 15 years or so. The formula already works. There are certain little things they can do here and there to improve certain aspects but if they go and start changing things all around and alienating us members then yes, it can affect the community. Facebook has already become the preferred hangout for Internet Marketers so it's more so about trying to get people back over to this forum than anything. I felt the forum drop off big time the last year and that's why I went from visiting daily to visiting maybe once every 2-3 weeks. You need to give me a reason to come back. What can you give me that Facebook isn't already doing for me?

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Chris Grable

9 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

Still the same community BUT you'll often find people who buy out other businesses have a habit of wanting to get straight in and change everything. That is what alienates users. So I hope they don't do this. One example is them dropping the WSO fee on the day of the takeover announcement. How much thought did they actually give to that decision? Did they buy the forum and then spend weeks getting to know how it works, it's members, what it's members want before changing anything? Personally the dropping of the fee was a silly decision on my part and they would have been told this had they asked members who have actually been using the forum for the past x amount of years and contributed to most of the forums income.

The forum has been kicking along and growing for the last 15 years or so. The formula already works. There are certain little things they can do here and there to improve certain aspects but if they go and start changing things all around and alienating us members then yes, it can affect the community. Facebook has already become the preferred hangout for Internet Marketers so it's more so about trying to get people back over to this forum than anything. I felt the forum drop off big time the last year and that's why I went from visiting daily to visiting maybe once every 2-3 weeks. You need to give me a reason to come back. What can you give me that Facebook isn't already doing for me?

Will, I was with you right up until your point about Facebook. I personally don't find facebook helpful. It seems just fine for an ongoing conversation with a handful of folks. Beyond that, it gets unwieldy. If you want to provide 10's of thousands of users with searchable access to 10's of thousands of current and previous conversations.... I just don't see facebook doing that.

Am I missing something?

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Kay King 9 years ago

Alaister - the new Administrator - has been a WF member since we went to the latest platform in 2008. That's more than "a few weeks" getting to know the place.

I see no reason to get caught up looking for or expecting problems.

Seems very smooth so far.
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magiclouie

9 years ago

Change is the only constant.

So far, I haven't noticed drastic changes yet. If there will be any down the road, I just hope they will be for the betterment.

Yes, I am still loyal to this community.

I love the people here especially for their brilliant ideas including the disagreement of point of views among them, their willingness to help others, their corny and awesome jokes, and the list goes on.

More power!

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mediamarket

9 years ago

My opinion is your taking it too serious and your being a drama queen. The only thing I forsee changing is all our members being spammed a ton of freelancer ads and services now. It is not that big of a deal. Companies buyout other companies all the time. Sometimes its great and other times not so much.

P.S.

FYI. The owner is $3million richer this week

Not bad for 17 year old site that is pretty much user driven.

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9 years ago

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Alice12345

9 years ago

Man, its all about the community. Not the owner.

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barbling

9 years ago

A forum of this size is generally known by the community and not by the owners.

I released a WSO on Wednesday and the troll posts were dealt with *very* quickly. That's a sign to me the owners care about keeping the standards high.

I always report spam posts as well when I see them - I was absent from this forum for some time and now that I'm back, I see it as a good civic duty to help flag ickness so moderators can throw out the trash.

It should be a 2 way street.

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laurencewins

9 years ago

I know it has been quieter in here in the last couple of months and that has affected my workload a little. I don['t know when the decision was made to sell but I am assuming that may have had something to do with it.

As for changes, I will wait and see. Having said that, I have had some discussions at freelancer about my account there and they were very helpful.

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TJoseph

9 years ago

Only time will tell but WF is a family not an office rental block.

Worst thing that could happen if they decided to do something nasty to it is we'd go and build our own forum

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9 years ago

I'll let my good friend Garth answer for me...

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Nick Logan

9 years ago

We are the ones that can make a change or not, we are community. I think the new owners will always respect this fact!

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sbucciarel Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Project

We are the ones that can make a change or not, we are community. I think the new owners will always respect this fact!

That's not really true. The new owners are free to make any changes they want, including a redirect to freelancer.com. They are not obligated in any way to continue to run and improve the WF as it is now.

I have no allegiance to freelancer.com, but for now will continue to report spam. Biggest reason ... I hate spammers, but don't think for a minute that freelancer.com won't do exactly what they want to do with their new website.

With the Warriors for Hire and Wanted: Members Looking to Hire You sections in direct competition, however small, to freelancers, you can be certain that it might cross their minds to integrate that somehow with freelancer. In addition, you might also consider that they think of us as entrepreneurs and potential customers for their client base. Those are two things off the top of my head that could be coming up in the future.
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brutecky

9 years ago

I was never loyal to the forum in the first place. The Warrior Forum sucks, has as long as I have been here. Now before you freak on the statement hear me out first.

The Warrior Forum, as in the website , the computer hardware etc that runs the site etc (basically what was 'sold') has sucked for a long time. Constant crashes, downtime etc. The 'forum community' however is great and always has been. But then this really is not the Warrior Forum. Since we could be anywhere, the Warrior Forum is just where we choose to gather and be a community.

So personally I dont care that the crappy, crash prone, forum was sold, never liked it anyway. The community however has not changed at all however as we are still the same people no matter who happens to own the place where we gather at.

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Terry Crim 9 years ago

Originally Posted by brutecky

The Warrior Forum, as in the website , the computer hardware etc that runs the site etc (basically what was 'sold')...

It wasn't just the software it was your content, contact information and personal information you entered into this site.

Allen rarely emailed the members but will we now start to see offers being sent to our inboxes? Will we now be automatically added to some freelancer list or have our information shared among affiliates or 3rd parties with some relationship with Freelancer.com corporate?

I don't know.

What I do know is that it is too early to know what changes will take place. Ask this question again in 3 months time and compare the then state of the WF with the one at the time of this thread posting.

There will be alterations to the backend software that was made clear and moving the hosting and resource splitting among amazon cloud services. Changes in pricing and terms have already been changed for various fees and memberships.

You also haven't seen the influx of current Freelancer.com members yet or that of any future promotion if any. Wait till the member count reaches 2, 3 or 5 million. How effective will this forum be then?

The changes are not done and in fact probably haven't even started for most of them so I think this question is too early to be asked. I just don't know yet about whether I would want to keep coming here or not based on changes to the community, I would have to see the changes first.

Here is some of what would keep me from coming back:

More ads than content or hassle to read the discussion due to ads getting in the way. Similar to the article directories or authority sites that put ad placement above importance of content. I don't come to this site for the ads or offers, I mentally block out the banner ad at the top of the page.

Deleting posts that have any type of contrary or unpopular view especially of corporate interests. Sharing personal views from personal experience that are not positive experiences for example. If it isn't pro corporate it gets removed, I have seen some of that over the last few days.

Turning the forum into a pro Freelancer.com services and gearing activity to using Freelancer properties. Basically going from what this forum was designed for and instead turning it into something like a corporate interactive advertisement like Scotts yard and garden support forums for Freelancer services. I am guessing that's what the idea was behind the purchase.
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sacrg793

9 years ago

Reading your post, I've just known that the forum has changed an owner,so I think forum hasn't changed a bit from my perspective. Have you noticed the difference?

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K Meier

9 years ago

I think it's all in peoples head when the owner changes. Of course down the road there might be some changes.

For example, one of my friends hates Microsoft, and when they announced that MS is purchasing Skype, he was very upset. The week after the announcement there was a short down time with Skype and my friend freaked even more out, saying Microsoft is to blame, it's all downhill from here and so on, while in reality this had nothing to do with Microsoft.

Same with the WarriorForum, as long as the new owners will not upset the community with fundamental changes, it will stay the same. If you think it's all different now, that you no longer have to report spam etc. then it's all in your head, and if at all, people with that behaviour would be the reason the community would go slowly down hill.

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AmericanMuscleTA

9 years ago

I haven't noticed any changes with the new ownership.

The ownership is not as important as us members. We the members still run the forum.

If you see spam, why not report it? It's like getting a new mayor in town and saying... "I just saw someone get robbed, but... I'm not going to report it because there's a new mayor in town."

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Alex Blades

9 years ago

Not sure why your feelings have changed, nothing really has change yet. WF is the best place for IMer's to hang out, and it still is IMO. You sound like you lost a girl friend or something... Stick around and see how it turns out

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Brent Stangel

9 years ago

Thank you all for your replies. I'm glad I posted this as I always gain insight from your input. I have no intention of changing the way I use the forum, for now.

My opinion is your taking it too serious and your being a drama queen.

I think a better analogy might be

In-perfect, for sure. "What we have here is failure to communicate."

"We'll see" is the best I can do on that.

My feelings exactly.

Not sure why your feelings have changed

Me either. That's why I wondered if any one else's had.

Perhaps he thinks the sunlight is too intense.

The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades!

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Sarevok

9 years ago

I've never felt this loyal to be honest.

Nor have I ever been this *excited* to be part of the warriorforum.

I felt like I came too late to be part of the "Good Old Boy's Club" at first...

And I felt like I was never part of the "Core Community"...

For some reason? I feel like that's changed a little. (For some reason, the acquisition makes me feel like less of an outsider).

Also, man the potential on this forum has never been this wild.

It's my hypothesis that this forum grows drastically in the next 12 months.

(I also LOVE the $20 WSO price... Even though a lot of people have been upset over the price drop. Me? I think cheap listing is pretty much always a good thing)...

As far as the owners selling out... WHO COULD BLAME THEM?

A lot of people might feel sad, betrayed, or like their parents just gave them up for adoption...

But I think it's awesome that this forum was sold for a bundle.

That's the purpose of building an awesome business right?

I mean - you don't want to work forever do you?

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HelpingYouBeAnExpert

9 years ago

I don't know the old or the new owner. If they start censoring to much I'll move on it's not like there aren't more choices.

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9 years ago

The Warrior Forum is a group of individuals. Some of which are caring, giving and compassionate, but like any social gathering there are those who take, gripe, complain. The WF has been good to me and I see the same people posting now that I did when Allen ran it. Ultimately, it's the individuals that make up the forum not the owner. I'm here to stay.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Brent Stangel

I must admit, my feelings have changed. It's not that I have anything against the new owners, I don't know them.

I had a great deal of respect for Allen before I ever became a member here. I've come to feel the same about the Mods. that I have dealt with. I feel a certain amount of loyalty to them that shows it's self in me doing what I can to help.

I find I don't feel as inclined to report spam or the like. Does any one else feel like this.

I am very curious to know if I'm the only one.

I hope the new owners will earn my loyalty over time, I really do.

What do you think?

Brent

Companies and organizations change hands all the time, but what affects loyalty is whether or not the acquisition is hurting the end user. The changes so far (I mean the price of WSOs and even the War room membership) are positive, so I'm happy.

I think we need to wait for some more time to see if the new ownership changes the character of the forum that we've always been fond of. As of now I am not unhappy.

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9 years ago

I didn't feel anything at all when I learned about freelancer. Total indifference.

Let’s see what will happen.

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Aside from the changes in the code, I must admit that, It feel new but so far so good..I like the smooth feel of its new look..
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  As others have said. The community here is what make this forum top-notch. I have liked some of the changes myself. As long as the forum continues to be a productive and helpful arena, I don't care who owns it. Allen did exactly what we are all striving to do and that is to create a need (WF) and make it useful and then profit from it. Hat's off to Allen.
  
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brettb

9 years ago

I think it's about time there were major changes here. The IM industry has gone stale, and the WF doesn't offer anything new.

It needs to move beyond being a place for older hands to sell WSO's to newbies.

There *is* still money to be made online. I'm a web developer and the job market has never been better. So somebody's obviously making $$$$$ online, but increasingly it's larger companies who are doing so.

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Banned 9 years ago

Originally Posted by brettb

I think it's about time there were major changes here. The IM industry has gone stale, and the WF doesn't offer anything new.

It needs to move beyond being a place for older hands to sell WSO's to newbies.

Cant agree me

To OP: Same moderators, same users, just a different owner that implented a few nice changes here and there so no idea why your loyalty would be less. Makes no sense at all.

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Martin Luxton 9 years ago

The owners changed?!?!?

Why didn't somebody tell me then I could have complained?

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9 years ago

I haven't found any differences or changes, the change in ownership seemed seamless so far other than dropping the WSO cost in half.

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tj

9 years ago

So far so good - it is still the same good old WF

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Right now I can't imagine any other forum like WF.

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onSubie

9 years ago

I am very sad to say that I am no longer loyal to the Warrior Forum. Last night for the first time in four years I visited another web site.

I know. I know. But that first wayward click was the hardest.

The worst was once I had clicked away, I was suddenly enticed to click another link then another - next thing I was on YouTube watching Justin Bieber parody videos and wingsuit crashes.

I even got carried away and forwarded some of these cheap easy links to my friends.

In the clear light of morning, now that all the Jagermeister has worn off, I feel ashamed. So ashamed.

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bwh1

9 years ago

Totally irrelevant.

I just had a daydream where Allen turned the WF into a public company and offered ownership Shares to all War Room Members - 100 bucks a piece.

He would have made a lot more then the pocket change of 3.2 M. LOL

G.

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kencalhn

9 years ago

as long as it stays the same I'll value being here, as I have for nearly a decade

==>> if they change colors and "brand it" (Ugh) with new company logos and embedded ads, I am So outta here

usually when companies get acquired, the acquirer mucks up the acquired company ( I still miss Scriptlance, and the original Macromedia pre-adobe, and istock pre-getty, and Hostgator pre-buyout, and so many other examples). I hope that's not the case this time.

usually it goes like this:
1) no initial changes months 1-3 so people "get used to" the idea of it being bought out
2) then the sneaky small changes come in, like subscription changes and fees; initial ones lower but backend/hidden ones higher (particularly with subscription models and percentage based fees)
3) corporate branding with the new owners' logo and 'a xyz company" everywhere
4) death of what made the acquired company special, the noncorporate small biz approach
5) morf into a corporate drone site that's no good anymore.

I hope that's not the case this time. I hope a year from now it's all pretty much the same. I hope there's not a subscription model just to be a member here, and banner ads and different look and feel. I'd bet against that hope though. Would be nice to see comments from new owners re reassurances of "business as usual" continuation here.

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9 years ago

One of the basic things about IM that you have to get used to is that things change fast. You have to learn to adapt to the change faster than stuff changes. You can't get hung up on stuff.

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cyberzolo

9 years ago

I don't care who owns the forum as long as it doesn't drastically change. I still go on the forum everyday so I don't really care.

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9 years ago

There are long replies and short replies.

There are "deep" replies and "straight-to-the-point" replies.

There are replies about mixed feelings.

I am glad there are replies here that meant "yes" (according to my understanding) to answer the question being asked.. although not really obvious at first glance..

As for me.. Yes, I am "still" loyal to the WF community, although I may not be regarded as usually being able to provide "very helpful" and "detailed step-by-step walkthroughs" which add to the "real value" of this web property.

The question / topic is very relevant.. only if the answer to this will lead people to act on something..

TO TAKE ACTION.. just like what the WF as a community has been preaching all along..

The question or the mantra that I NOW want to envelope me and guide me as a True Warrior (member of the warriorforum.com community) is:

"What things do I have to do, to brand myself as a part of or contributor to the most amazing Internet Marketing community the world has ever known?"

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jessiem

9 years ago

I am still loyal to Warrior Forum.
I've learned a lot of things here especially in online business.

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Rus Sells

9 years ago

To every one who feels that it doesn't matter who owns the forum let me add a little perspective.

Allen started this forum with a "Vision" a vision which attracted users who saw, understood, and believed in that vision.

This whole community is essentially built upon this vision. The community follows and supports that vision because it strikes a cord with them. This is how the Warrior Forum was built. This is the common thread that binds all the users in the community together.

What happens many times with a business acquisition is that the buyers say they have the same vision as the seller and that the vision won't change once they take new ownership. This usually happens because the seller expressed concern about what happens to the users/customers after the sale, unless the only thing the seller cares about is the proceeds from the sale. In this case I don't believe that to be the case.

Anyways, the sale goes through and everything seems cool for a little while and then all of the sudden the vision changes. Not saying that's what's going to happen here but it is a reality with business acquisitions.

So time will tell that's for sure.

Also some have pointed out that things haven't changed but they have actually. The section that I frequent has been spammed by one liner and self promotional posts that offer ZERO value to the topic or conversation. The posts have been reported with no or little action taken which clearly communicates to me that it's now no longer worth helping moderate the forum and because of this its beginning to not be worth my time to have input into the community. We shall see how things develop in the near future in that regard as well.

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Alaister

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Rus Sells

The section that I frequent has been spammed by one liner and self promotional posts that offer ZERO value to the topic or conversation. The posts have been reported with no or little action taken which clearly communicates to me that it's now no longer worth helping moderate the forum and because of this its beginning to not be worth my time to have input into the community. We shall see how things develop in the near future in that regard as well.

Hi Rus,

Which sections are you referring to?
We'll make sure we look at the moderation going on here and see what we can do to improve it and be as timely as possible.

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Rus Sells

9 years ago

The Offline section. Tons of old post's like a year or older being drudged up with replies that offer no value.

Originally Posted by Alaister

Hi Rus,

Which sections are you referring to?
We'll make sure we look at the moderation going on here and see what we can do to improve it and be as timely as possible.

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Alaister 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Rus Sells

The Offline section. Tons of old post's like a year or older being drudged up with replies that offer no value.

Ok...we'll take a look at this section and see what is going on.

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Tim Franklin

9 years ago

Interesting thread, lots of valid concerns, )

Personally, loyal as ever, the forum has changed a lot over the years, I first became a member in 1999, under a different user name.

I hope that the forum, gets better, for the people for the community, for the buyers and the sellers.

The WSO section really needs some structure in the user interface.

(but thats a different subject)

Who knows for sure what will happen, with freelancer you never know what they might do or not do.

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Dee Syed

9 years ago

I haven't noticed any difference regarding the quality and content on the forum or the interactions between members.

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Mo Goulet

9 years ago

16 years and running...I'm here to stay.

It would be nice if my Join date would reflect the actual date.

This was a paid site back then...

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rakhwas

9 years ago

im so loyal as i can be, i can't really feel any changes yet.

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9 years ago

I haven't noticed any changes either, hopefully freelancer can add to the forum. I will still be loyal regardless, and it's about the only forum I visit.

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sdingram

9 years ago

My feelings haven't changed a bit.

I agree with Sarevok. I have never felt like part of the Old Boys Club (not just because I'm a girl - ha!) but because I came here initially wanting to learn. Over the years I feel I have grown from being a 'seeker' to helping a few people here and there.

And that's what I like about the WF. It's a great place I can learn new things and share with others who are needing help. That hasn't changed.

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upmatthews 9 years ago

Just don't get ripped-off by WSO sellers. I have been screwed over twice now for $197 (both times ironically) and reported the issues to the mods (one with the old owners/one with the new) and nothing was done.

The first one they did nothing until I asked why the scammer's WSO was still alive. (Then they took the WSO that I got screwed with, however, their other WSOs remain alive)

The second one was recent, and I reported the rip-off. The moderator never answered after asking for details and closed the report. The scammer's WSO remains alive. It should be noted the moderator was the same in both instances.

I am back to lurking and done buying WSOs. If there is no policing the WSOs and cleaning up the scammers...I am done

I am going to notify the new owners corporate (Freelancer) about the siuation as I have documented what happened. Also, looking into suing both in small claims court, just got to find out where the jurisdiction is.

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SuperKC

9 years ago

Nothing has changed.. yet

New owners means new ideas and a new way of business, and although they are standing back the moment I assure you that they are building things in the background that will play a huge role and effect the 'community'. That community can quickly be dispersed and destroyed by those changes, which will come. So as a member we have two options.. decide that nothing is going to change and ignore the fact of the ownership change, or take a look and hard look at the new owners and make a prediction on what kind of changes they will make and who they are fundamentally.. and then make a personal choice to embrace those future changes coming or to go find a new forum to dedicate our time to to avoid putting our soul into a project that we don't have full faith in anymore.

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IrisMKH

9 years ago

In a different thread, I read there are more problems with spam now the ownership changed.
I notice a huge amount of spam threads regularly - they get taken down quickly, so that's okay. Yet, it's still not a good thing.
Was it really better before or do the new owners get blamed falsely?

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ratracegrad

9 years ago

If a McDonald's franchisee decides to sell his store to another franchisee, would you stop going there? They still serve the same hamburgers as before. Very few people choose to buy a hamburger because the owner of the store was Alan and that is the only reason for them to buy the hamburger.

The majority of the time when you go in the store the owner is not there and there is some other manager running the place. Same here.

Ownership of the store is not really relevant to the majority of visitors to this site. It is the quality of the hamburger being served that is relevant.

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9 years ago

Originally Posted by ratracegrad

If a McDonald's franchisee decides to sell his store to another franchisee, would you stop going there? They still serve the same hamburgers as before. Very few people choose to buy a hamburger because the owner of the store was Alan and that is the only reason for them to buy the hamburger.

The majority of the time when you go in the store the owner is not there and there is some other manager running the place. Same here.

Ownership of the store is not really relevant to the majority of visitors to this site. It is the quality of the hamburger being served that is relevant.

And therein lies the crux of this whole matter. Will change in ownership change the quality of the forum?

How many times have you gone to a restaurant or diner that said "under new management" and the food was suddenly horrible or, it was horrible before, is suddenly good?

I don't know how much of an impact Allen himself had on this forum after he got it going and everything was essentially in place (the various sub forums, perks, etc.) Even towards his last years running this place he added new things like the War Room and banner ads, not to mention raising WSOs from $20 to $40. But for the most part, at the time of the sale, this place was pretty well set. The only changes I've noticed are the lowering of WSO fees back to $20 and the new icons. Oh and the increase in spam.

My personal opinion?

On the WSO fees, I think it's great for sellers. Not sure how great it will be for buyers with a lower barrier to entry and possibly more WSOs of questionable quality. Since I really don't go there anymore I can't really comment on what's available. I can only hope that the quality won't get worse.

As for the icons, I think the new system is terrible. You can't tell what threads you've posted to at all. It's a real pain in the backside but I'm coping with it.

As for the increase in spam. Don't know what to tell you about that. Obviously something there has changed. Fortunately, the mods jump on it pretty fast once they start working. It's apparent there is little to no moderation during certain times because when I come here in the morning, this place is loaded with spam.

On a plus/minus scale I'd give the forum -1 in comparison to how it was prior to the sale. In the grand scheme of things, that isn't all that bad. It could be a lot worse.

Of course none of this matters. The only thing that matters is if the forum is profitable for the folks who bought it. If it is, things will continue pretty much as they are with few if any changes. If not, maybe some major changes will come or maybe the new owners will sell the forum to yet another owner. Who knows? Regardless of what happens, little of it is within our control. The only thing we can control is our own conduct and how we respond to spam as we can help in keeping it under control by reporting it.

Whatever happens, I seriously doubt it will be bad enough to force me to leave. After all this time, there is very little that I think would get me to leave the Warrior Forum. But who knows? Two years from now the new owners might change the name to something else.

If I have learned anything in life it's that nothing is guaranteed permanent.

The future of this forum is anybody's guess.

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I am not certain about the changes that happened as I am fairly new in this forum. But one thing I can say is that the community we have here in the WF is one of the best and friendliest I have ever been to. Something you can really compare to other forums.

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Brent Stangel

9 years ago

And therein lies the crux of this whole matter. Will change in ownership change the quality of the forum?

It already has.

Of course none of this matters. The only thing that matters is if the forum is profitable for the folks who bought it.

Exactly. It's corporate. The "old" WF is gone, it won't be back.

I'm moving on... (;

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Originally Posted by Brent Stangel

It already has.

Exactly. It's corporate. The "old" WF is gone, it won't be back.

I'm moving on... (;

Wow. Do not see this type of reasoning. Some awesome features have come to light that have really intrigued me including the Email Marketing Section and WAMA Section which is pretty cool.

I am staying put. No reason for me to leave. The Warrior Forum is what you make of it and even for us veterans we can definitely learn something new here everyday. Just keep your ears and eyes open and be glad we have such a wonderful place to come to for free

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9 years ago

For those who have said that there are no shortages in IM forums, let me just say that I belong to a few forums and the new threads come so slowly.

Just when Freelancer took over the Warrior forum I Decided to finally check out the DP forum and I must say that they are a ghost town compared to WF.

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9 years ago

I think they are doing a great job. The customer support is definitely top notch. Very responsive. This place has really improved. Keep up the great work, Freelancer.com

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SteveSRS

9 years ago

'loyal to a forum'?? Hmmm

Yes I'm very loyal I've never visited ********** or any other marketing forum.. I'm afraid WarriorForum is not gonna give me any anymore if I do

but pssst don't tell WF, but sometimes I do cheat on eeh it? well let's just say her

/bullocksmode OFF

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9 years ago

I understand having a certain softspot for the community that's helped you out the most, particularly at the start.

Don't know what you mean by 'loyalty' though. As in, always coming back to share value?

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9 years ago

To be honest I didn't know the owners changed until today.

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cyberzolo

9 years ago

Nothing has changed. I still visit the forum an interact with other people daily.

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rafaela

9 years ago

Well, I think the new owners HAS the right to change things in this forum. All we can do is hope that they will change it for the better and hopefully every changes that they make small or big, they'll also keep everyone updated, right? I mean, it IS their forum now, they can do whatever they want, but of course since this forum is nothing without each and everyone of us, who's keeping this forum alive and giving them profit, they should consider our views and opinions. I am new to this forum but so far, I'm liking what I am seeing. Cheers to the new owner! Just please keep everyone updated, from what I'm reading NO ONE here likes surprises.

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zerofill

9 years ago

Ehh freelancer.com is buying up a lot of things(good for them, smart move). I doubt they have time to make changes that will be that drastic of an impact on you.

I believe they are looking for things they can jump into without a lot of work involved. Where most of the work is done, the foundation is already strong.

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nmchant

9 years ago

I was just going to start a thread on how much I love this forum but saw yours so thought I'd chime in.
I LOVE this forum, it's kind of my new home on the web. That said I wasn't here before (joined on my birthday 3 wks ago

) so if I'm missing out on 'the way we were' I wouldn't know.

I owe the Owners and Mods here drinks as far a I'm concerned, lol (hell yes i do! although guess what else is legal in sunny Seattle, hehe...).

I even like to wander over to the 'anything goes' section now and then to remind myself that I'm not the only one who likes to think about random senseless trivia.

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fvandy

9 years ago

I have been gone awhile, but the WF is still a great resource!