I Am in Disbelief

I'm sure other people on that forum and even here on the Warrior forum have had experienced being "trolled" by others when they asked for advice on something, looking for a service, a mentor, etc. In order to ensure that people have great experiences, you just have to put your best foot forward and stand out with value despite the spammers around you.

You can't control other people's actions, but you can most certainly control your own. The spambots and trolls won't stop real people from making real connections.

I must have been lucky then Mike. Looks like you're in this section now too haha.

I don't know if you guys are reading the whole original post.
I don't mind disagreement, I LOVE disagreements. But if you're going to disagree, back it up. People want to see your reasoning.

Again, what I'm addressing is moreso the trolls. When they disagree on something they post some stupid meme.

I totally get the whole disagreement. I just don't see the reason for someone to troll away especially on a forum where people are here to learn.

Who knows, what if learned something new when the guy disagreed with my statement? But nope, all I saw was a picture of Jesus Christ covering himself with shame.

Paul,

this is not meant as disrespect, but I feel your lack a familiarity with the subject matter hampers your point of view.

I feel it's in error to accept that the SEO subforum has to be an evidence free area of the board.

Specifically I feel this way as I just recently provided yukon a live example as evidence of my point of view during a thread discussing links vs redirects. If asked, other examples could be provided because there are many which illustrate the result of the calculation.

The reason I am able to do so is because the calculations are a constant 'known.' They don't vary, there is no guessing going on. A mathematical calculation is made and results are served based on that calculation.

No matter how it is debated, aggressively or passively, this isn't a variable we are talking about. An index works in one specific way until modified by a new model as I will elaborate on with reasoning for why newbies need not apply their 'opinions' when it comes to SEO - and certainly shouldn't argue to defend them.

Experience Matters

More importantly, and speaking specifically to my initial point of a '3 year expert' on the topic of SEO - it's simply not possible for a newcomer or someone without years of study and knowledge behind them to render effective SEO opinions that would be accurate outside of wild guessing and estimation.

Understanding SEO requires a near-linear intake of information over time to understand what and how things change within the landscape of search.

For instance, it's virtually impossible to understand how Hummingbird affects search without first having known how Caffeine affected search as caffeine was the framework that allowed Hummingbird to even be possible - if nothing else from a database management standpoint alone.

And before someone can understand how caffeine worked, they would first have to understand BigTable, as caffeine expanded on BigTable and created a programming model that allowed Google to make changes to the index without requiring a complete rebuild of the index.

But to understand the significance of that, a SEO would also have to understand MapReduce which is what was used previously used for index calculations....

To be perfectly clear, in this brief example - we are already back to 2004.

Debates Can Be Settled Clearly

When someone says something that is clearly incorrect based on a complete understanding of how the index is built and managed - things might get a little heated.

Even more so because no matter what, you can't force everyone to read the linked-to evidence (as was done in this post), understand what they are reading and apply it to future 'opinions.'

When you do have several people who understand how the index actually works and a newbie spouts off something he read from some other newbies flawed view of the index calculations - arguments will happen.

There shouldn't be an apology needed. The fact is that there is clearly and right and a wrong in the debate. If anything, perhaps the negative reinforcement will motivate further investigation and study on the issue.

And as far as I'm concerned, there is always a clear right and a wrong in any question and it's resultant answer when it comes to SEO - because there is only one way an index is ultimately calculated. As long as there is one ultimate calculation, there will always be a singular truth.

As previously mentioned, if someone can't provide an example that doesn't affect them personally then what you really have is a guess at best. When we are discussing the result of a mathematical calculation, guessing should not be rewarded.

That Having Been Said

I understand and respect the role moderators and administrators have to play in keeping the peace on the forum.

I also own a SEO Forum and have found myself in a similar role Paul. Quite honestly, it can be a pain and I'm fully aware that this post has only escalated the problem, not alleviated it.

It's because of that understanding and respect of your role that I will remove myself from this thread as I feel I have clearly and effectively communicated how and why the SEO forum can actually be the best resource in this forum as there is clear truth in math.

I won't provide further resistance beyond this point and hope to be a more peaceful, contributing member from here on out.

It's no offense to promote what you nag about, so no reason to report really.

Besides that I'm no snitch that reports every tiny thing, doesn't mean I can't mention it globally.