What Would Be Preferable For Newbies?

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For a while now I've wanted to put something together that would be actionable for either newbies or struggling marketers to finally make some $$ online. I'm graduating university in a few months and so I think I'll finally have time to put something together that could really be useful.

I was initially thinking of a membership site something like impho.com or bringthefresh where I would do like a brain dump of everything i know about.

The only problem here is whether to focus the site/course/whatever-you-want to-call-it into one big method that everyone focuses on or just a smattering of everything i know into multiple sections.

It appears that a site covering as much as it can like impho.com isn't nearly as popular as BTF but that could just be from more successful JV's and advertising for BTF. So I'm not sure what people would enjoy more/ take as more useful.

I have a few friends willing to contribute their knowledge for this, so this is definitely more of a snowball effect over time covering a ton of subjects. There should be tons of goodies in there within the first year or so since the video's, pdf's etc will all take time creating, for quality stuff anyway.

So i guess what I'm really asking is whether a course dedicated to one method is better (master the crap out of one method) or have a variety of methods covered as thoroughly as possible.

I think a course on a variety of methods would be best, but who knows. What do you think?

**Not considering payment yet since the structure of the site isn't known yet. But since this is more for the members than me it will likely just be some sort of one time payment.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      So, You are a Newby and want to have a membership site.

      So, you have not succeeded in Internet Marketing and want to have a membership site.

      So, You have nothing to offer and you want to have a membership site.

      al

      Perhaps this was a bad question to ask here, but we'll see.

      I am definitely not a newbie. Let's keep the trolling to a minimum please.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by joecason View Post

      I see so many new people just do what they think will make them money. Do something you like and you will succeed. My first website was a music site since I play guitar and knew the market and got my first sale within 3 days. If you know and enjoy what you are marketing, it becomes much easier.
      This is what makes me think discussing multiple methods on the site would be better.

      Not everyone will like CPA via PPC, or SEO with authority sites or niche sites, or building a list in MMO or any other market.

      Since I know that not every method fits all I was thinking that offering as much as possible would allow people to pick the methods they feel most comfortable with.

      Eventually evolving will take moving out of the comfort zone to try out more adventurous things, whatever that may be for the person.
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      • Profile picture of the author srumsley
        Since your thread is entitled, 'What would be preferable for Newbies?', I think one of the biggest problems newbies face is the "too many choices" problem, and you may be unconsciously adding to that by providing too many methods. So that newbies can taste success (or they are not going to stick around long anyway), you may want to go simple, and thorough, on just a couple or three easy to grasp methods while they learn the vocab and get familiar with things in online-marketing-land. Then you might have a second tier with slightly more advanced methods that those who have tasted some success on the entry level methods would be happy to pay to get access to. You will have proven your worth to them, and they become "repeat" customers.

        But other than that I think it is a mistake to present newbies with too many options or choices when they have no prior knowledge on which, or why, etc.

        Lastly, for a long time we've heard "do what you enjoy and it'll succeed", but that is not necessarily sound business advice. There needs to be a viable market for what you have in mind, you have to test that market and make intelligent decisions based on the results, otherwise you are wasting your time. I'm not suggesting you do something you don't enjoy, just because it pays, but hey, you'll enjoy anything more if it does pay, right?

        All the best,

        Sue
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        • Profile picture of the author heavysm
          Originally Posted by srumsley View Post

          Since your thread is entitled, 'What would be preferable for Newbies?', I think one of the biggest problems newbies face is the "too many choices" problem, and you may be unconsciously adding to that by providing too many methods. So that newbies can taste success (or they are not going to stick around long anyway), you may want to go simple, and thorough, on just a couple or three easy to grasp methods while they learn the vocab and get familiar with things in online-marketing-land. Then you might have a second tier with slightly more advanced methods that those who have tasted some success on the entry level methods would be happy to pay to get access to. You will have proven your worth to them, and they become "repeat" customers.

          But other than that I think it is a mistake to present newbies with too many options or choices when they have no prior knowledge on which, or why, etc.

          Lastly, for a long time we've heard "do what you enjoy and it'll succeed", but that is not necessarily sound business advice. There needs to be a viable market for what you have in mind, you have to test that market and make intelligent decisions based on the results, otherwise you are wasting your time. I'm not suggesting you do something you don't enjoy, just because it pays, but hey, you'll enjoy anything more if it does pay, right?

          All the best,

          Sue
          Choice and information over load is another problem I have to deal with. I was thinking of a straight forward set of pdf's or video that gets them taking action on a simple method right away. And this gets introduced via a trial or something to prove my value.

          Then maybe a second tier of the actual methods, these are the normal members. I'm also contemplating a third tier of advanced methods for those looking to expand what already works for them.

          I thank you for your thorough reply Sue. It is greatly appreciated
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  • Profile picture of the author Alice12345
    Its simple. Just came out something which you REALLY MAKE MONEY on it. Make it simple to follow. Everything will came after.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by Alice12345 View Post

      Its simple. Just came out something which you REALLY MAKE MONEY on it. Make it simple to follow. Everything will came after.
      Not everything I do will work the same way for others though. I have methods that work with CPA but the mere application to get into some of the better networks is a challenge in itself. That would be a challenge for any newbie just to setup the foundation for the method let alone profit form it.

      In another way some might really enjoy writing and so a blog or authority site might fit them better. But that would be just one of many others ways to make an income, either short or long term. There are a number of ways to go about this and my intention is to impact as many people as possible.

      Short and precise videos will be a big part of this project. None of that rant crap lol I can talk for hours and hours about my business but effectively conveying it to be replicated is ENTIRELY another issue.

      But I understand what you are saying, keeping things simple will help greatly.
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    Just put together the ones you did which have helped you make money online.

    What was the first thing you did that made you have your first income?

    What were/are your sales funnel?

    Are you covering affiliate marketing, adsense, CPA, Private Label, etc?

    I believe offering services is excluded here, right?

    So to answer your question, it could be of both. Again, just write down your past experience and the methods you have implemented.

    Of course, your credibility and reputation are very significant here.

    Anyway, I wish you all the best and more power.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by magiclouie View Post

      Just put together the ones you did which have helped you make money online.

      What was the first thing you did that made you have your first income?

      What were/are your sales funnel?

      Are you covering affiliate marketing, adsense, CPA, Private Label, etc?

      I believe offering services is excluded here, right?

      So to answer your question, it could be of both. Again, just write down your past experience and the methods you have implemented.

      Of course, your credibility and reputation are very significant here.

      Anyway, I wish you all the best and more power.
      No services offered here since it will be enough work just to get everything organized.

      The biggest thing here is presentation of the information. This might just end up as a big test from which I'll gather feedback from the people to see what they like more.

      Since I have my friends contributing to the content there is a huge spectrum of information to cover here, so there is no shortage of information. This is also a long term project so it will be updated as the tides change and things evolve.
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    • Profile picture of the author pbarbanes
      Maybe you could have the multiple options but also add a section on Focus, drilling in the idea of focusing on one thing for a sustained period of time. Almost a psychology of business section, as it were, from an IM perspective. (shiny object syndrome, short-term-fail-jump-to-another-method syndrome, etc).

      And then I look at my signature, and it seems all over the map LOL. So many parts of IM are interrelated, and exciting, it's difficult for some to focus. Could be quite a topic to stand on it's own.
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      • Profile picture of the author heavysm
        Originally Posted by pbarbanes View Post

        Maybe you could have the multiple options but also add a section on Focus, drilling in the idea of focusing on one thing for a sustained period of time. Almost a psychology of business section, as it were, from an IM perspective. (shiny object syndrome, short-term-fail-jump-to-another-method syndrome, etc).

        And then I look at my signature, and it seems all over the map LOL. So many parts of IM are interrelated, and exciting, it's difficult for some to focus. Could be quite a topic to stand on it's own.
        Mindset is a section all its own. This is one of the most significant parts of the site because firmly believe if your focus isn't on what's in front of you whatever results you're aiming at are going to slip away.

        I have a mix of videos and audios members can immerse themselves in to properly cement the proper mindset.
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        • Profile picture of the author marketingdynasty
          Shiny object syndrome is a hell of a drug. Find a proven plan that works and focus on that one thing until you see results.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jason Stewart
            Originally Posted by instantclassic View Post

            Shiny object syndrome is a hell of a drug. Find a proven plan that works and focus on that one thing until you see results.
            I came here to say this as well. I've fallen victim to this MANY times, only to kick myself later for not sticking to one thing at a time and mastering it (when the thing I lost concentration on starts making money). Patience is the key when doing this. Overnight riches and success are very rare, and only those who are willing to see a project through to the very end will succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Malteaser
    I would have a membership site that is organised and covers everything from creating a website, driving traffic to it, building relationships with audiences/ followers, e-mail marketing, how to be an authority etc.

    Newbies will appreciate to find everything in one place.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by Jason Stewart View Post

      I came here to say this as well. I've fallen victim to this MANY times, only to kick myself later for not sticking to one thing at a time and mastering it (when the thing I lost concentration on starts making money). Patience is the key when doing this. Overnight riches and success are very rare, and only those who are willing to see a project through to the very end will succeed.
      This is what I want to stop. The site will have everything from fast cash methods to long term so there will be no need to go outside the membership for the most part.

      In a way I want this site to be a sort of make money online destroyer where everything else pales in comparison. Obviously I won't be as good immediately on start up compared to other courses on in depth traffic strategies or hyper in depth product creation. BUT I can try

      I almost want this to be a sort of CopynProfit system like back in 2009 - 2010...only a lot better lol

      But yes, my goal is to have someone with no experience come in, learn, take action and make $$ proportional to their efforts.

      Originally Posted by Malteaser View Post

      I would have a membership site that is organised and covers everything from creating a website, driving traffic to it, building relationships with audiences/ followers, e-mail marketing, how to be an authority etc.

      Newbies will appreciate to find everything in one place.
      Yep, site creation and all that goes with it will definitely be included.

      Thank you both for your input!
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      • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
        If your target audience is newbies, then you definately want to keep it as simple as possible. The main problem is information overload so you definately don't want to add anything to this initial confusion.

        If you want to start a membership site with a complete system, i suggest you make it a step by step system. Something that builds up week after week so everybody can follow at their own pace. I've seen many programs like this do really well and if you have a lot to offer, a membership like this will definately be your best choice.
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  • Profile picture of the author LegendaryGuy1
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    How do you expect to teach people how to make money online when you haven't even been able to do this yet? A membership site is more of a long term plan for people who have succeeded in the online world. If you want to reach that status, you need to actually make money online for that.
    Just try some simple methods and try scaling them up. It all requires hard work and dedication but once you see the dollars rolling in, you'll want to make even more money from it.

    I suggest Fiverr gigs if you have zero budget since it's easy to make your first gig there. If you do have a budget, I suggest other marketing methods such as offline, ebay powerseller, affiliate marketing or even building a list.

    The Warrior Forum is a gold mine, just keep digging for information and use one to see if you make any money online from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by LegendaryGuy1 View Post

      How do you expect to teach people how to make money online when you haven't even been able to do this yet? A membership site is more of a long term plan for people who have succeeded in the online world. If you want to reach that status, you need to actually make money online for that.
      Just try some simple methods and try scaling them up. It all requires hard work and dedication but once you see the dollars rolling in, you'll want to make even more money from it.

      I suggest Fiverr gigs if you have zero budget since it's easy to make your first gig there. If you do have a budget, I suggest other marketing methods such as offline, ebay powerseller, affiliate marketing or even building a list.

      The Warrior Forum is a gold mine, just keep digging for information and use one to see if you make any money online from it.
      I have been online since early 2009, so don't confuse me with a newbie. Though I am a college student my tuition and ALL of my expenses are paid by my business profits.

      People are making assumption that I myself am a newbie which is baseless and incorrect. I'm not sure why it's coming up but it needs to stop.

      Lol don't tell me about persistence and dedication. You're preaching to the choir here.

      I know it doesn't mean much to some, but please note that I've been on this forum since 2009. I am not a newbie so please don't treat this thread as if i am one.

      Originally Posted by rmolina88 View Post

      Build a list. That's pretty much what everyone's going to say.

      If you also plan on building a membership site, promote that to your list and have your list promote it as affiliates.

      Everybody wins.
      That will be a very large section all it's own, definitely. List building in multiple markets will be covered extensively.

      Contemplating on whether or not to include more advanced stuff like creating a blog network for SEO etc. It takes quite a bit of capital which may not be suitable for newbies but I was thinking it could be included as a sort of advanced section possibly.

      One of the larger sections is youtube marketing which is relatively simple. No shortcuts taken here though - crappy slideshows, animoto videos etc
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  • Profile picture of the author ther
    I think it is also keep fee as an monthly subscription. Whis payment solution will generate stable income every month...
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    Build a list. That's pretty much what everyone's going to say.

    If you also plan on building a membership site, promote that to your list and have your list promote it as affiliates.

    Everybody wins.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    If you want to help newbies I suggest you create a course that teaches in a orderly step-by-step fashion. A suggestion would be to drip-feed the content so they don't get confused or overwhelmed.

    I remember when I just got started I learned the best from courses that were step-by-step and I found it difficult to learn from courses that just offer a whole bunch of information and just leave you to figure out how to put everything together.

    You want to make the learning experience as comfortable as possible for the users.

    That should be one of your main focuses.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Originally Posted by tvon View Post

      If you want to help newbies I suggest you create a course that teaches in a orderly step-by-step fashion. A suggestion would be to drip-feed the content so they don't get confused or overwhelmed.

      I remember when I just got started I learned the best from courses that were step-by-step and I found it difficult to learn from courses that just offer a whole bunch of information and just leave you to figure out how to put everything together.

      You want to make the learning experience as comfortable as possible for the users.

      That should be one of your main focuses.
      That's a pretty big point to consider. I don't know of membership software that can easily do this so i might have to have it custom coded. I think that would be big as well since over time the member would see the full breadth of information i have to offer (so far it appears that my offer will be information over load =/)

      BUT this is why i think having a first step pdf or video demonstrating how to make some fast $$ asap is important. I need to prove my worth immediately, let them know I'm the real deal and we're not just working with theory.

      I know impho.com had a custom coded time release on a few of the member challenges so that each day a new page was opened.

      I just have to consider how this will be structured to get the most impact out of each method, but drip feeding the content appears to be the most reasonable way to deliver to prevent huge overwhelm of information.
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      • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
        Originally Posted by heavysm View Post

        That's a pretty big point to consider. I don't know of membership software that can easily do this so i might have to have it custom coded. I think that would be big as well since over time the member would see the full breadth of information i have to offer (so far it appears that my offer will be information over load =/)

        BUT this is why i think having a first step pdf or video demonstrating how to make some fast $$ asap is important. I need to prove my worth immediately, let them know I'm the real deal and we're not just working with theory.

        I know impho.com had a custom coded time release on a few of the member challenges so that each day a new page was opened.

        I just have to consider how this will be structured to get the most impact out of each method, but drip feeding the content appears to be the most reasonable way to deliver to prevent huge overwhelm of information.
        Yeah it's just a recommendation I have no experience with creating drip-feed content so I can't really help you on that. I know that Kenster's Six Figure Alliance coaching course has drip-feed content. Maybe you can send him a pm and ask him how he did it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Challendge
    Freelancing! Any newbie can hop on right away because everybody can provide a digital service of some kind (even petty admin work)!
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  • Profile picture of the author elusian
    Focus on one method, at least at first, and really give good value. Newbies are overwhelmed. Help them learn one strategy well and actually have some success.

    You can then target another method and allow those currently in your membership site the opportunity to learn it, if they choose.
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