Why spelling is poor on the internet?

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As you already perhaps noticed English is not my mother's language. Despite of it I always strive for correct spelling in my writing. Until last times I was in that belief I have enough sense to be grammatical with that. Of course I haven't such quality as John Taylor or Michel Fortin have. Far from it, we aren't in same weight category. But I thought that my writing is readable and understandable.

EDIT: ...we aren't in same league. Sorry.

Why am I saying this? Because I'm sick and tired of the presence of misspelled words in emails and websites on the internet. You may find different abbrevations, acronyms, -- that's okay, you need to be familiar with these and then you may apply them. What is mainly annoying for me is the non-capitalization and the grammar. I noticed this symptoms nearly everywhere -- I've come across to some blogs that have very bad grammar or even posts in different forums.

This problem does exist apart from which country are you living in.

We have a conversation with one of my friend recently who has a doctorate in linguistics. He blames the messenger and cell phones because people tend to shortened the words or to substitute on purpose some letters when we try to write a message fast, so at then end we get use to write incorrectly in every time. Naturally, writing on the net have the potential to make inaccuracies, there's also chance that there'll be nobody checking our work for grammar mistakes.

How did the flow of the information work in the earlier times?

The majority of us received our bulk information from a printed mediums before the 'information revolution'. By reading a newspaper or magazine you were able to observe the professionalism in their writing. A newspaper or a magazine is a product and they were struggling to keep that standard and hereby the value and prestige of that product -- up to now.

They are able to fit that requirements because of their quality background; professional writers, editors, proofreaders. These qualified person's job is to be expert on grammar, spelling, formatting, style, etc. -- they are receiving their revenue for that activity. They intend to make ensure that you cannot find errors (at least very rarely) in the newspaper available at the newsdealers.

My age group grown up with information sources that were perfect in spelling and grammar -- you may expected the quality in these. At that time people received adequate education about it in schools, too. But time is changing as everything. I' am not meant to form a judgement on the standard of the present education systems -- I only hope that they do everything what may be possible in this object.

I've mentioned the 'information revolution' above. We are living in an accelerated era where you have tremendous source mediums for gaining information; newspapers/magazines, radio channels, tv channels, and the internet. You can read, hear, see different devices to mediate that information what you want. But with the increase of the number of the opportunities the quality of passing of the information did not improve IMHO.

The internet delivers gazilion information -- some of these has quality, some hasn't. Nowadays anyone can start a website, can become a website writer, can become editor -- without any skill and former experience professional writers in the print zone have.

If a website owner has knowledge and talent in writing that is fine. If s/he hasn't it then s/he writes as s/he can. And you need to be able to understand what you read. Another option is to hire a professional writer and editor to ensure the quality. But it needs some amount of money not everyone has on the start.

And there are other people of course who don't lays claim to the quality, at all. They are those who prefer to using the $1-$2 articles because don't want to acknowledge the knowledge and talent of the writer -- for this reason they don't want to pay for the quality what that writer produces.

All of the above explains that grammar mistakes and spelling errors will continue to crop up all over the internet, until some changes in the financial side and mainly in the thinking of people. Maybe, that I have to expect for that change for a long time.

It may be also that I'm too old-fashioned -- I try to take over the changes though. Sure, if I see a website with poor grammar I associate that with the quality of the offered product and don't purchase.

How are you thinking about it?

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  • Profile picture of the author dvduval
    I generally try to read everything I write, and make sure that I didn't miss anything. It's just a good habit. You never know when the right person might be reading something you wrote, and decide not to contact you because you don't pay attention to what you write. That said, I still make mistakes, but at least generally speaking, I think I am mostly correct in both grammar and spelling.
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    • Profile picture of the author Barbara Eyre
      Sandor,

      You are so very correct in what you say. The quality of English, from English-speaking people, is horrid more often than not. I'm not saying I'm perfect in my grammar and spelling, I make the occasional flub myself, but at least I do make the effort to look over my posts, emails, etc to look for at the obvious mistakes.

      Naturally, those to whom English is a second language, I give a lot more lee-way. I give them great credit for attempting to communicate in a foreign language. While I have studied other languages, I do not profess myself to be fluent enough to write emails, etc in those languages.

      I have been online since 1994. Not only have I noticed that my grammar/spelling skills have declined to some degree, I also noticed my typing skills have also. Go figure on that one since I type day in and day out. Never fear though, I still mess up "the" with hte almost every time! LOL

      I don't do cell phone text messaging, so I'm not in the habit of typing in abbreviations [ur, u, ttfn, etc etc]. When I'm on IM, I tend to write complete sentences, instead of the abbreviated language most text-messengers use.

      The main problem is that "what ever!" attitude among people today. I know many folks here don't fit this bill, but just go out into your town/city and look at the flicking of cigarettes everywhere, the trash throwing just where ever, driving recklessly, the "me me me, it's all about me" attitude. It's seeped in everywhere from clothing to speech/writing to work ethics. Most of these people would die if they lived a 100 years ago, where solid work ethics and pride in yourself was paramount.

      Ah well. I better get off of my soap box. My hubby and I rant often about these sorts of things because it's an epidemic where we live.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Originally Posted by Barbara Eyre View Post

        ....The main problem is that "what ever!" attitude among people today. I know many folks here don't fit this bill, but just go out into your town/city and look at the flicking of cigarettes everywhere, the trash throwing just where ever, driving recklessly, the "me me me, it's all about me" attitude. It's seeped in everywhere from clothing to speech/writing to work ethics. Most of these people would die if they lived a 100 years ago, where solid work ethics and pride in yourself was paramount....
        Barbara,

        Thank you.

        What you have said is a saddening reality, unfortunately. The suitable behaviour sample sticked to the man at home, in the school and on the workplace in that time. What was needed for starting in the life learned everything.

        We are living in a freedom today. But some people confuses the freedom with the libertinism -- which are two different thing.

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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by dvduval View Post

      I.... You never know when the right person might be reading something you wrote, and decide not to contact you because you don't pay attention to what you write....

      Hi dvduval,

      This one factor has big impacts on reputations, relations and business. But not everybody perceives it. Then they are surprised and complain for falling in business. To complain is much easier, than to work for the success.

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  • Profile picture of the author awesometbn
    Hello Sandor,

    Excellent post! This reminds me of image management and brand management for yourself. How you write and what you say to others (customers, employees, boss, etc) reflects back on yourself, your character, and reputation. It is important to always project a polished appearance in communication, as well as in person. Making improvements in spelling and grammar will go a long way in developing deeper relationships, both business and interpersonal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by awesometbn View Post

      ...This reminds me of image management and brand management for yourself. How you write and what you say to others (customers, employees, boss, etc) reflects back on yourself, your character, and reputation. It is important to always project a polished appearance in communication, as well as in person. Making improvements in spelling and grammar will go a long way in developing deeper relationships, both business and interpersonal.
      Tank you awesometbn,

      I couldn't have said it better. I see you know the importance of relationships in the life and the business equally. Really, it isn't all the same what kind of picture the world receives from us.

      When I dealt with carreer and business consulting before, I tried to emphasize this always because I saw that this does not live instinctively in the peoples. Those who applied it was more successful than those who don't.

      The life is like this. Cheers,

      - Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Originally Posted by Sandor Verebi View Post

    I noticed this symptoms nearly everywhere -- I've come across to some blogs that have very bad grammar or even posts in different forums.
    If it's just the forums, it seem OK to me because people just type their heads off without doing much checks.

    If it is a blog, I think it's fine if it's a personal blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jay Greathouse
      American English is not defined and regulated by the state as it is in Great Britain (the Queen's English) and in the case of French, France, for example. While in those countries language is defined by law, in the U.S. we only have dictionaries of usage as indicated in the titles of these compilations.

      While academic circles promote specific styles of English usage as suits their needs please do not attribute their prejudices to a higher power. So in the U.S. there cannot be misspellings or grammatical errors unless you are trying to please academics and yield to their judgments.

      It seems to me that it would be most effective to communicate in the dialect of the market one participates in. Language is one of the primary signifiers of membership in a community and strict "proper English" will alienate many in desirable markets.

      What's cool to you is not kewl in certain affluent markets, for example. Transnational corporations certainly demonstrate knowledge of this fact in their retail advertising.

      What you indicate in your observations are merely the ideolects of individuals who are evolving a living language, an entirely natural process.

      The international language of the Internet may borrow English loan words as needed but there is no standard, only prejudices enforced by colonial powers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Originally Posted by Jay Greathouse View Post

        .... It seems to me that it would be most effective to communicate in the dialect of the market one participates in.
        Jay, it is advantageous.;

        Language is one of the primary signifiers of membership in a community and strict "proper English" will alienate many in desirable markets.
        Beeing the Internet business international, it may be advantageous to speek and communicate that language which is understandable all over the world IMHO. We cannot know who and where will be our next client from. And our aim is to reach as many peole as possible. I think.

        Thank you, Jay.

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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Crumbs. There's enough material in this thread to render Mrs Wombat apoplectic

        But I'm grateful, at least, for the following nugget:

        Originally Posted by Jay Greathouse View Post

        American English is not defined and regulated by the state as it is in Great Britain (the Queen's English)
        Evidently, all these years I've been dicing with a potentially illegal activity, and never knew it!



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    • Profile picture of the author ken_p
      Originally Posted by Joseph Then View Post

      If it's just the forums, it seem OK to me because people just type their heads off without doing much checks.

      If it is a blog, I think it's fine if it's a personal blog.

      I agree with you. And I am guilty , with incorrect punctuations, and abbreviating, in forums. But when it comes to blogging, I always check it twice before posting.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Good for you Sandor!

    Language is the antecedent to knowledge. You can tell a lot about what's going on inside someone's head by looking at the way they write and listening to how they speak. And it's not just on the Internet either. Everyone is careless in how they communicate. How many past presidents have mispronounced nuclear as "nuculur"? How many weathermen/women on network news channels pronounce temperature as "tempature"?

    I was listening to a local radio channel yesterday and a 60-second spot for a real estate sales person was airing. She was explaining why she would be so good at helping you sell your home. She mispronounced the word Realtor as "realator" at least half a dozen times--and she was supposed to be the expert.

    Aside from forum posts, just look at the sales pages for products the gurus put up. These guys have paid thousands of dollars to have copywriters create their copy, yet in the majority of cases these pages are rife with the kinds of mistakes that would have made my 8th grade English teacher scream in horror.

    Don't let your participles dangle; Don't misplace your modifiers (they can be hard to locate once you lose them); Cleanse your colons--from unrelated follow-up text; Don't let comma faults fill your vault; Don't let your parallel constructions run askew.

    While reading through this thread my cat was begging me to feed her!

    (Don't you just love misplaced modifiers?)
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by mikemcmillan View Post

      ....Aside from forum posts, just look at the sales pages for products the gurus put up. These guys have paid thousands of dollars to have copywriters create their copy, yet in the majority of cases these pages are rife with the kinds of mistakes that would have made my 8th grade English teacher scream in horror....
      Hi Mike,

      I can confirm this. Recently there was a product of a big player and I received 36 related emails pushing that product from different sources. I was able to find 3 of them without bad grammars. By checking the sales page I also find five mistakes and contradictions. Of course I didn't purchase.

      Thank you. Regards,

      - Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author k8spy8
    Following the spelling and than write it down sometimes take too much of time. And why are you blaming us cause its come from our cell phone. We try to write as short as possible in massages also when we do chat. Fact is time is the main thats why everyone wanna write in short hand.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Adamson
      1) Television has been lowering the ability of the average person to read or write for four decades.
      2) There is no longer any editorial process to speak of. Everyone self-publishes with no oversight.
      3) Particularly in technical fields, people are more interested in the author's expertise than in his or her writing skill. So even when there is editorial process, no one cares much anyway. They are in a hurry to get the information whose value perishes very quickly.

      I don't think we are going to see much improvement in this area any time soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Originally Posted by Peter Adamson View Post

        1) Television has been lowering the ability of the average person to read or write for four decades.
        2) There is no longer any editorial process to speak of. Everyone self-publishes with no oversight.
        3) Particularly in technical fields, people are more interested in the author's expertise than in his or her writing skill. So even when there is editorial process, no one cares much anyway. They are in a hurry to get the information whose value perishes very quickly.

        I don't think we are going to see much improvement in this area any time soon.
        Hi Peter,

        Thank you. I talked about this above and am glad that others are thinking such way as me. What concerns to the change, we are on the WF the best place where we may cultivate and protect the cleanness of the language. I think, all of warriors may make something for the change hoped for.

        Regards,

        - Sandor
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          To answer OP's orginal question in thread title:

          "Cuz we're just hard core and we don't give a damn"!

          I think for me "making presentations" is something that I pain myself over, but flying back and forth with messages in a place like this? I think people just speak their mind and don't worry too much about their grammer or typo's... alot of times.
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          • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
            Originally Posted by kadensnga View Post

            To answer OP's orginal question in thread title:

            "Cuz we're just hard core and we don't give a damn"!

            I think for me "making presentations" is something that I pain myself over, but flying back and forth with messages in a place like this? I think people just speak their mind and don't worry too much about their grammer or typo's... alot of times.
            Hi kadensnga,

            LOL... Your "presentation" is your business card figuratively. Who does not know you and sees your business card only, may decide upon it, if will be worthy to meet you personally -- or to buy your product. Your personal and business's success depend on this, too.

            It is worth to spend a trouble on it, HOW we are publishing ourselves to the world, IMHO.

            Thank you for your comment,

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        • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
          Karen,

          It's funny, LOL. I think they educate people in schools, but some may depends on the teacher and the pupils, too -- I mean the tutorial skill and the reception inclination under this. It may be develop both of them.

          Doug,

          No doubt, you made a great work for them. Anyway, I think that the truth is in your last sentence.

          Have a nice weekend,

          - Sandor
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Guys, is it just me or what ?? This is absolutely one of the most bizarre Threads I have ever seen here at Warrior Forum ! Seriously !!

            I am going to try to be as subtle as I can about the irony of this Thread as I do not want to hurt anyone's feelings. But honestly is this Thread one of those 'hidden camera jokes' played on by one of the Members here at Warrior Forum ?? If so, golly gee you pulled one over on us.

            What is being said and the way it is being articulated is just way, way too ironic !

            Anyone else seeing this too ??
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            • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              Guys, is it just me or what ?? This is absolutely one of the most bizarre Threads I have ever seen here at Warrior Forum ! Seriously !!

              I am going to try to be as subtle as I can about the irony of this Thread as I do not want to hurt anyone's feelings. But honestly is this Thread one of those 'hidden camera jokes' played on by one of the Members here at Warrior Forum ?? If so, golly gee you pulled one over on us.

              What is being said and the way it is being articulated is just way, way too ironic !

              Anyone else seeing this too ??
              Hi discrat,

              Everybody does it some other way. Your thing is if you are thinking about it so.

              Many successes,

              - Sandor
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              • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
                @ Igor

                Thank you. Same here.

                @ Hauser

                The point is at you. For this reason is important how are you building up your system of the headlines on your website.

                What concerns to the new different reading mechanism there is many dispute about it in my sourrundings, too. I think the time will prove the efficiency of this. No doubt without the possibility in reading emotions from faces of people they'll be a bit poor.

                @ affenpinscher

                Your kind suggestion may be a good help for those who aren't enough lazy to use it.

                @ MikeMacMillan

                Thank you for your kindness. We are here to learn, share and help each other in our business building endeavour, I think. To reaching this we need to communicate with each other. I do what I think is proper only. The fellow members are the judge, how this turns out.

                Thanks for your times to making comments.

                Have a nice week,

                - Sandor
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                • Profile picture of the author psresearch
                  Personally, I just want correct information. I don't care if it's grammatically correct or spelled correctly.
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                  • Profile picture of the author wbakhos
                    I cannot stand bad spelling... I'm not talking about the occasional error, I'm talking about bad spelling and grammar from carelessness and laziness.

                    I actually got rid of an employee because of his carelessness (among other things) and after constantly spelling my clients names wrong I just got fed up. And yes English was his first language.

                    But I find there is a level of tolerance especially when it comes to blogs.. but on sales pages its a bit of a no-no.
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                  • Profile picture of the author JonStein
                    Originally Posted by markquinn View Post

                    Personally, I just want correct information. I don't care if it's grammatically correct or spelled correctly.
                    Contradictory in terms, don't you think?

                    Your 'presentation' sales page, emails and blogs are the 'first impression' you make on the business community.

                    What is your first impression if you go to a health spa and an unkempt, overweight, bearded lady asks if you would like to join?

                    The same is true when you land on a salespage, If the salesperson has a difficult time expressing himself, can not put a few sentences together coherently or is riddled with an overwhelming amount of mistakes, what makes you think the conversion rate is going to be high?

                    There is no excuse for poor grammar or misspellings on the Internet, you have thousands of websites that offer free assistance in helping you properly form your pages, blogs and emails.

                    If you are too lazy or too ignorant to correct your mistakes, then do not expect a rush of sales!

                    Your Blog, Your emails and Your salesletter ARE your first impression.
                    Make a good first impression and you have already overcome half the battle of making the sale.

                    Believe it or not...

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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by k8spy8 View Post

      Following the spelling and than write it down sometimes take too much of time. And why are you blaming us cause its come from our cell phone. We try to write as short as possible in massages also when we do chat. Fact is time is the main thats why everyone wanna write in short hand.
      Thank you k8spy8,

      Yes, the quality work really needs some time.; Time has it's value. If someone saves time in their writing work it may cause joy him. But by this shavings he may suffer lost in selling.

      And what is your aim?

      Regards,

      - Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author jimh1626
    I try to give someone from another country the benefit of the doubt.
    They are trying to communicate in a language that is not natural to them.
    I applaud anyone from another country trying to communicate in my language.
    I would hate to see how I would screw your language up.I'm sure you would be laughing your ass off.
    However those male enhancement spam emails I get are funny as hell.

    Jim
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    • Profile picture of the author Thomas
      Originally Posted by jimh1626 View Post

      I try to give someone from another country the benefit of the doubt.
      Even if they're from an English-speaking country?

      Tommy.
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      • Profile picture of the author jimh1626
        Originally Posted by Steve Davies View Post

        I agree with Jim. I am sometimes amused by what foreigners say or write, but then I realise that I probably couldn't even string together two words in their mother tongue.

        Steve.
        Here is another thing. Your from the UK. In your post you spell realise. We spell it realize here in the US. I also jumped all over a marketer from the UK one time for spelling learnt. We say learned as past tense. He thanked me and sent me a free copy of his ebook. Then I went to dictionary.com and found out it is a real word. Boy was I red. But when I grew up I was told there was no such word as learnt.

        It is a diverse world. Cut em some slack I say. Except for the spammers.

        Jim
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by jimh1626 View Post

      I try to give someone from another country the benefit of the doubt.
      They are trying to communicate in a language that is not natural to them.
      I applaud anyone from another country trying to communicate in my language.
      I would hate to see how I would screw your language up.I'm sure you would be laughing your ass off.
      However those male enhancement spam emails I get are funny as hell.

      Jim
      Thank you for your patience for us Jim, Languages are different -- not to mention their numbers -- and may have different dialects, too. Really, it may be a bit heavy to learn and practice foreign language. But, with a little want and belief people can make much.

      Have a nice weekend,

      - Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
    There are a few basic mistakes that drive me mad.

    Your instead of You're (You're not...)
    There instead of Their (their coat)
    Aloud instead of Allowed (not allowed)
    Of instead of Have (could have)
    Hear instead of Here (over here)

    There are loads more, but it does make me wonder if English is no longer taught in school.

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    • Profile picture of the author Bobru
      Originally Posted by Dhrousha View Post

      There are a few basic mistakes that drive me mad.

      Your instead of You're (You're not...)
      There instead of Their (their coat)
      Aloud instead of Allowed (not allowed)
      Of instead of Have (could have)
      Hear instead of Here (over here)

      There are loads more, but it does make me wonder if English is no longer taught in school.

      Karen

      How about "irregardless?" I cringe every time I hear that one! I think it started when schools started valuing "positive self-image" over The 3 R's!

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      • Profile picture of the author Christa_Regalado
        Originally Posted by Bobru View Post

        How about "irregardless?" I cringe every time I hear that one! I think it started when schools started valuing "positive self-image" over The 3 R's!
        Yikes! So the irregardless thing is a universal flub huh? I thought it was just the people I work with who commit these errors.

        It irks me whenever I hear irregardless!
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        • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
          Greetings.

          @ gardenbella

          1. Fast work is good rarely - it is an old saying in our country.

          2. What you are making is a good method to ensure the faultless of the final outcome.

          3. Capitalizing would be important, they didn't build it into the grammar accidentally though.

          4. I don't purchase from such kind of sales page.

          @ Josh

          1. Thank you for your appreciation. It's not my merit, I just started it but the fellow members builded up this thread. They deserve the thanks.

          2. I have a feeling that internet authorities are very busy to involve themselves into this case. In the future? Who knows.

          @ Christa

          Be patient. You cannot modify any people against their want. It is possible to affect them with exemplaryness on the other hand. Try it. You will see better result after a time. Persistence.

          Thank you all for your posts,

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        • Profile picture of the author Philipc
          Originally Posted by Christa_Regalado View Post

          Yikes! So the irregardless thing is a universal flub huh? I thought it was just the people I work with who commit these errors.

          It irks me whenever I hear irregardless!
          It irks me every time I hear "thunk"...as in "I thunk it up".

          Shudder.
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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Dhrousha View Post

      There are a few basic mistakes that drive me mad.

      Your instead of You're (You're not...)
      There instead of Their (their coat)
      Aloud instead of Allowed (not allowed)
      Of instead of Have (could have)
      Hear instead of Here (over here)

      There are loads more, but it does make me wonder if English is no longer taught in school.

      Karen
      Listen to some "teachers" in schools today, even in COLLEGES! You wonder how many of them even graduated HIGH SCHOOL! And I have known MANY with "Advanced degrees" that CONSISTENTLY make EVERY mistake you listed!

      As for AMERICAN english having no regulating materials, that is BULL! There are books on GRAMMAR, as well. The really said part is that dictionaries now often record bad slang without even a comment.

      Here is one such book: Amazon.com: The Elements of Style (9781599869339): Jr. William Strunk: Books

      I know that a lot of MY problems with English are because I am SURROUNDED by people that misspeak, etc.... Most foreigners DON'T speak well. And some BRITISH people are among them. And the Germans often don't speak German well. HECK, they have DEFINED dipthongs, and they even get THOSE wrong! The Danish language has changed a lot. Many Spanish don't speak Spanish well. I doubt the French speak French well. Does ANYONE?

      Just look at some British movie sometime. They may have people with nice accents speaking clearly in proper English, etc... Others speak with ugly accents, bad grammer, slang, etc...

      Sometimes, I DO do good, INSPITE of so many doing bad around/to me. Usually, I do well. MOST won't see that those two phrases are VERY different. People's understandings can vary a lot, in fact! Heck, knights are more obvious during the day.
      I KNOW some here like others more than me. And I KNOW some here like others more than I. Again, a statement that can mean two things based on the last word. EITHER could be considered correct or incorrect. Maybe the meaning would be clearer if I said "they like me" and "I do"? In the same way, "doing good" implies doing something worthy or helpful. Doing something well implies that it was done correctly, etc...

      Deb Holder,

      You should see some of the stuff I get from indians, spanish people, etc... Some of it is VERY hard to understand. Several here INSIST on spelling my name steave, using revert(to mean revise), or netnet(to mean in the end), etc.... Sometimes things mean the OPPOSITE of what they say. Face it, the schools don't even really claim to teach english anymore. a local hospital handles over 40 languages! California wants people that speak chinese and/or spanish fluently(They DON'T mention english!)! Several utility bills are written in over 2 dozen languages, INCLUDING BOTH mandarin and cantonese! So don't blame Americans for it all.

      Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBangkok
    I took the time to correct and mark up the sales page for a cat-related product that had many, many typos. In one paragraph, the author referred to "cat fir" several times and "cat fur" one time. Very sloppy.

    Turned out the author is Australian. I lived in Australia for 10 years, and my neighbour was a primary school English teacher. We had many interesting discussions about the poor state of written English in Australia. For example, very few people know where to put apostrophes and seem to scatter them randomly on the page. There are thousands of examples of incorrect signs, such as "Fish and Chip's", "Room's For Rent".

    Australian English, called "Strine", is based on Cockney English. "Runner" is pronounced "runnah" and "Canada" is pronounced "Canader". "Draw" and "drawer" are both pronounced "drore" and used indiscriminantly as synonyms, as in "two draw bedside unit". "Sought" and "sort" are pronounced the same as well, so you frequently see real estate agents advertising "a sort after location". Sigh.

    After I sent the corrected sales page to the author, I never received a reply and the page on the web has not been changed.

    Too lazy to make the corrections, I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author pearsonbrown
    "American English is not defined and regulated by the state as it is in Great Britain (the Queen's English) "

    Could this be the least-informed comment ever to be made on the Warriors?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by pearsonbrown View Post

      "American English is not defined and regulated by the state as it is in Great Britain (the Queen's English) "

      Could this be the least-informed comment ever to be made on the Warriors?
      Hi Pearson,

      Thanks. I'm not qualified to judging on this because I don't know much about foreign regulations. I'm not able to redeem the world -- and the world doesn't expect from me to do this, anyway. I'm just making what I can.

      Apart from this, you may be right on it.

      Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author Hauser
    Since there is no good german forums for internet marketing. Belive me, nothing really close to the warrior forum, so I will start conversation here. But it really is hard and i also don`t like my mistakes i make writing in english. And i am really slow....
    I used to live in the USA from kindergarden up to third grade, getting only the basics in english, moved back to Switzerland, not able to write a complete german phrase.
    So a had to lern the german first, witch was hard, without having the basics. And then we had to learn french, thats why I havent been using my english for 20 Years.
    But now, being crazy for IM I give my best shot to somehow comunicate.
    I would never set up any webpage, whithout the spelling and grammar on it beeing checked, but you cant blame the ones trying to give their best.
    Its all about taking aktion, as far as i know.....
    So i will have to disapoint some people by reading my terrible misspelled things. But the more do the more i learn and it will sure increase my writing skills.

    Well and thats also why I decided to not go for article marketing....
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  • Profile picture of the author Hauser
    It is not only the writing that gets worse, because everyone can spread theirselfs over the web.

    I saw a case study about the changes the way people read information.
    It seems that people that do a lot of surfing and online reading have different behavior in getting the informaion from a text. The typical online reader skips a lot of text over and over again and gets more like from headlines to headlines. The book and newspaper readers get the text more like a continious stream. It looks like the brain of surfers get to work different while reading as tomographic pictures show.

    A text is consumed in two different ways, one gets it in whole and the other gets it more like a puzzle and puts the important parts together. Maybe thats a reason salespages with all their headlines work great.

    Also this reading abbility is past on to the next generation, they allready start their lives with a different reading mechanism. The only bad thing about it is that hardcore online surfers start loosing the possability in reading emotions from faces of people.

    It`s a study and no one could actually say if its good or bad they way people pick up their information changes.

    I`m not sure anymore if it was Socrates or some simmilar guy that said 1000 years before: It is no good writing down information, the only way information should be past on is by talking.
    Things just change.........
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    • Profile picture of the author affenpinscher
      If you download the Google toolbar, you can get an automatically spell checker that will check anything on your screen - including posts like this one.

      You finish typing, hit the ABC Check on the Google toolbar and it checks all your words, no matter what software program you're using, and offers suggestions.

      Great and free.
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      • Profile picture of the author Hauser
        Originally Posted by affenpinscher View Post

        If you download the Google toolbar, you can get an automatically spell checker that will check anything on your screen - including posts like this one.

        You finish typing, hit the ABC Check on the Google toolbar and it checks all your words, no matter what software program you're using, and offers suggestions.

        Great and free.

        Thanks for the advice. I`ll use it.
        Almost forgot how important Google is for IM and making the world a better place !

        @ Sandor
        Thanks for the PM and offer, really appreciate that. I just can`t reply cause of my low posting count.


        Just thinking about going to school to catch up with my English. Cause i will definitely be needing it to get my feet on the "English speaking market" ground. Getting things done the right way is just the better way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikemcmillan
    Sandor, a lot of times someone posts a question and a lot of Warriors provide great input trying to help the OP out. But you then find the OP never comes back to thank or return comments. You get the feeling the asked for help and then never even came back to read it.

    You took the time to respond to almost every post. While I don't feel that's a necessity, at least follow-up posters feel as if their words were read. Good for you. That's the sign of a great thread!
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  • Profile picture of the author gyar29
    It is unfortunate when one chooses to judge the value of any information based solely on a prejudiced first impression. Quite frequently that choice is only detrimental to the judge.

    While I may concur with many of the posts in regard to those to lazy to utilize the spell check function available to almost anyone typing text, I do question the value of making any decision based solely on the quality of the punctuation, sentence structure, or the use of colloquial rather than formal form of communication.

    English, like most languages, is constantly evolving. Each generation changes it to suit their needs. And thank God for that.

    If our languages did not have the flexibility to evolve we would quickly find ourselves unable to communicate new ideas, new thoughts, new technologies. Could you imagine trying to describe to anyone what most of us do for a living without using words that did not even exist 25 years ago?

    The world we live in today changes at speeds that would boggle the mind of someone living just 200 years ago. We, and our languages, must keep up in order to remain viable.

    The value of any communication is found in the content of that communication not in the form used to communicate. If you can understand what the author is attempting to convey, then you can benefit.

    Those who worship at the alter of proper English will frequently find themselves a member of a sect that is always running just to keep up. And that is exhausting. So kick back, chill out, be cool. You may find that sometimes those that don't use proper English are good peoples.

    Peace Out,
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    • Profile picture of the author The Pension Guy
      Originally Posted by gyar29 View Post

      Those who worship at the alter of proper English will frequently find themselves a member of a sect that is always running just to keep up.
      I do not expect "proper English" - I just have a dream that even native English speakers will learn one day to make a distinction between
      there - their - they're*
      and other similar tricky words, so that we, poor non-native English speakers, don't have to make extra efforts to figure out what the poster wanted to say. Is that too much to ask?
      It is hard enough to struggle with English as your second or third or fourth... language; don't make it more difficult as it should be just because someone skipped the spelling classes

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      *that's just the blatant example that I see in every second post around here
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by gyar29 View Post

      It is unfortunate when one chooses to judge the value of any information based solely on a prejudiced first impression. Quite frequently that choice is only detrimental to the judge...
      Hi Gene, agreed, but this concerns to everybody, isn't it?

      ... English, like most languages, is constantly evolving. Each generation changes it to suit their needs. And thank God for that.

      If our languages did not have the flexibility to evolve we would quickly find ourselves unable to communicate new ideas, new thoughts, new technologies. Could you imagine trying to describe to anyone what most of us do for a living without using words that did not even exist 25 years ago?

      The world we live in today changes at speeds that would boggle the mind of someone living just 200 years ago. We, and our languages, must keep up in order to remain viable.
      I don't doubt the necessity of the change of any language. The person who doesn't keep pace with the change falls behind. We may be exacting with ourselves and our work in the change on the other hand.

      The value of any communication is found in the content of that communication not in the form used to communicate. If you can understand what the author is attempting to convey, then you can benefit.
      The quality of that content is extremely important, too -- as everyone knows. The emphasis is on the understanding of the message. And for me is time consuming and annoying, if I have to find out what may does something mean.

      You may find that sometimes those that don't use proper English are good peoples.
      In all certainty.

      Have a nice weekend,

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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        @ markquinn

        In the OP I wanted to point it out, how the bad grammar influences the author's reputation of that information. Thank you.

        @ vbakhos

        I cannot stand bad spelling... I'm not talking about the occassional error, I'm talking about bad spelling and grammar from carelessness and laziness.

        I actually got rid of an employee because of his carelessness (among other things) and after constantly spelling my clients names wrong I just got fed up. And yes English was his first language.

        But I find there is a level of tolerance especially when it comes to blogs.. but on sales pages its a bit of a no-no
        I dealt with career and business consulting based on my former studies for nearly twenty years before and experienced that carelessness you said. This behaviour was typical of many job seekers unfortunately.

        Naturally, there were many who accepted the advices and they were able to gain a proper job. People think that they can make easy money with laziness on the net. There may be cases like this apparently, but that is atypical as I experienced.

        According to me there is no excuse onto the laziness, fact is that if somebody wants to reach something then he must to work for it. There is no free lunch.

        Really, when you see that bad grammar on the sales page, you may think that the product or the customer service also may be as defective as the spelling. I cannot to presume others. If people make their things on such way, why they are surprised on the little success?

        Have a nice week,

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    The majority of the human race is functionally illiterate to start with...
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      The majority of the human race is functionally illiterate to start with...
      Ouch! I resemble that comment!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kekoa
        I'm stoked peepol kant spel...

        Seriously though, these are the very people who pad my pockets with cash.

        You'll see what I mean, go here: misspelled pdf
        (its a free 7 page download, very good stuff!)

        I think correct spelling is important, and it establishes that you are properly educated. In turn, allowing you to be someone that can educate others. In the IM field, it's extremely important to be able to spell, use correct grammar, and punctuation.

        Personally, if you have a report that is laced with misspellings, I'm going to have a hard time believing in you. It's a subconscious thing, it's hard to learn from someone that can't spell.

        Anyway enough of that little rant.

        For those of you that can't spell you're in luck!

        Here's some research done by the folks at Cambridge University...

        Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?
        Aloha, Kekoa!
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  • Profile picture of the author mikey1090
    I always aim for it. The firefox spell checker certainly helps.

    It kills me at DP forums when I get PMs with things like "Dear Sir I wud like 2 sell u some links on my blog which is having a PR3"...............
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    • Profile picture of the author Lambert Klein
      I wonder at times when people don't even capitalize their names. Almost like they have no respect for themselves.

      Also many people carry over their shortcuts from texting into other areas of their lives.

      The worlds always changing ...

      As long as they are happy and enjoying life...
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  • Profile picture of the author Cindi Dawson
    Thanks so much for bringing this up, Sandor.

    I can't stand misspellings either. And I will proof my sales letters over and over to verify that they are ready for human eyes. Then I send them to my VA to check yet again. Why do I bother? Because I believe in presenting a professional image. And if given the choice of buying from someone who spells correctly and uses proper grammar and one who does not, I will buy from the person who pays extra attention to their copy and product or service.

    There IS a difference among they're, their, and there, as well as your and you're.

    And Wbakhos, you go! I have fired my share of employees who could not spell, too.

    I can understand shortening to to 2 if you're trying to save a couple of spaces in a text message but let's pay a little more attention. Our parents raised us better than this.

    *C*
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Many thanks for your contribution.

      @ Hauser

      You are welcome. No problems. We can talk about it later. Go for it.

      @ Michael

      Maybe, but be careful -- watch out, how you inform them about this. The truth may hurts single ones sometimes.

      @ Mikey

      Agreed, it is advisable to use spell checker. Anyway -- what concerns that PM -- nobody has opportunity to checking their grammar except the sender. At least you can judge the quality of that offered service upon this way. And your money will be safe.

      @ Lambert

      You are right about the question. The carelessless and laziness as reasons were mentioned above. The market will be the judge up on them. I haven't much to add it.

      @ Frank

      LOL... I'm pleasured if you find something interesting here. Enjoy

      All the best,

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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by Cindi Dawson View Post

      Thanks so much for bringing this up, Sandor.

      I can't stand misspellings either. And I will proof my sales letters over and over to verify that they are ready for human eyes. Then I send them to my VA to check yet again. Why do I bother? Because I believe in presenting a professional image. And if given the choice of buying from someone who spells correctly and uses proper grammar and one who does not, I will buy from the person who pays extra attention to their copy and product or service.
      Hi Cindi,

      Certainly, you do it this way because you take care with yourself and your work. Your audience appreciate this, I'm sure. We may not be successful without such demand. This not a brain surgery, everybody is capable onto it, if he has a want.

      There IS a difference among they're, their, and there, as well as your and you're...

      ... I can understand shortening to to 2 if you're trying to save a couple of spaces in a text message but let's pay a little more attention. Our parents raised us better than this. *C*
      I couldn't have said this better.

      Thank you and take care,

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Gavre
      It seems that my eyes are always quickly attracted to misspelled words as well. It is a pet peeve of mine and I can't stand to see them on so-called guru websites.

      But just to lighten the mood a little bit, try reading this, you'll get a chuckle out of it if you can:

      "I cdnuolt blveiee that I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in what oerdr the ltteres in a word are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is that the frsit and last ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it whotuit a pboerlm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the word as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? "

      :-)

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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi Sandor,

        WTF = the last word is very rude, and the first two are 'what the...'

        Your guesses were cool though and you got it here -

        What The Freak (polite form)
        If you see FTW, it's an internet term for 'for the win'...

        http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftw

        http://www.abbreviations.com/FTW

        Although if you un-adult-filter the results above, it has another meaning...

        I'm surprised no other fools like me picked up on this classic from the OP -

        I haven't such quality as John Taylor or Michel Fortin have. Far from it, we aren't in same weight category
        I know John likes his whisky, but he still appears to be quite trim to me...

        (Sandor, I am joking now - the joke is that you said 'weight category' when you meant something complimentary about his intelligence and ability (I think you meant he is a 'heavyweight intellectual'), but I am twisting it to make a joke...no offence)
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        • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          Hi Sandor,

          WTF = the last word is very rude, and the first two are 'what the...'

          Your guesses were cool though and you got it here -

          If you see FTW, it's an internet term for 'for the win'...

          Urban Dictionary: ftw

          What does FTW stand for?

          Although if you un-adult-filter the results above, it has another meaning...

          I'm surprised no other fools like me picked up on this classic from the OP -

          I know John likes his whisky, but he still appears to be quite trim to me...

          (Sandor, I am joking now - the joke is that you said 'weight category' when you meant something complimentary about his intelligence and ability (I think you meant he is a 'heavyweight intellectual'), but I am twisting it to make a joke...no offence)
          Hi Roger,

          I'm very glad for your kind answer.

          What concerns to my question to CDarklock -- I thought of similar one, with a rougher expression. But I would have liked the answer to be audible from him if he mentioned the headlines and editors already. That's it.

          Jump. I'm very grateful for your joke and understand it. I was a bigger fool that I didn't noticed early how I translated that phrase. Mea culpa. Yes, you caught the fighter of the grammar on a mistake. Sic transit gloria mundi or The world's glory is over so. I'm not perfect (yet) but will be more attentive next time.

          Mr John Taylor and Mr Michael Fortin, I apologise hereby publicly for my mistake -- I dealt with your weight without a reason. When I wrote that phrase I thought on your intellectual quality but translated it incorrectly. Sorry.

          Thank you for your help. Among others, I like to be on the Warrior Forum for this reason, too.

          Cheers,

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          • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
            Originally Posted by Sandor Verebi View Post

            What concerns to my question to CDarklock -- I thought of similar one, with a rougher expression. But I would have liked the answer to be audible from him if he mentioned the headlines and editors already.
            I like to explain it as "What The Fornication". Gets the point across without offending sensitive ears.
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            • Profile picture of the author ExRat
              Hi Sandor,

              Hmmm. I was waiting to see how you responded to that one.

              Ohhh, the toast is fine. And your spelling is excellent.
              The spelling wasn't me, it was an online translation software.

              But I wasn't sure about it's accuracy.

              I wanted to say 'Cheers' which is an English thing you say when you clink glasses while drinking an alcoholic drink. This is also called a 'toast'.

              But 'toast' is also a word used to describe a slice of bread that has been 'toasted' (grilled).

              The online translator (when I double-checked by translating the word back from Hungarian to English) said -

              toast, rarebit, cheers

              :confused:
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              • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
                Thank you.

                @ CDarklock

                Thank you.

                @ Jon

                Really, I couldn't have said this better.

                Your Blog, Your emails and Your salesletter ARE your first impression.
                Make a good first impression and you have already overcome half the battle of making the sale.
                If everybody would be thinking so and would act so, there would be much fewer poor men on the world.

                Cheers,

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                • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
                  Hi Roger,

                  What concerns to online translation softwares I'm not quite satisfied with their results. When I use one of them I need to correct it's translation oftentimes. On the other hand it would be necessary to invent them because there would be a need for them if they wouldn't exist. Maybe in the course of time they will be better and more useful.

                  Jump. The living language is a marvellous thing. And I'm not a qualified linquist unfortunatey, I just try to use it. Let's see your words:

                  I wanted to say 'Cheers' which is an English thing you say when you clink glasses while drinking an alcoholic drink. This is also called a 'toast'.
                  Right. This is a well known habit in our country, too. You know we are also enjoying the pleasures of the life occassionally. At this occassion someone says a toast tószt or pohárköszöntő (it is a small speech, for example it may be several kind sentence to greetings someone at his birthday and this speech is a tószt -- but it may be only one word as egészségedre or egészségünkre in plural. The latter words have more frequency -- from different reasons.)

                  But 'toast' is also a word used to describe a slice of bread that has been 'toasted' (grilled).
                  And yes, that 'toast' can be translated into pirítós. And pirítós may has many attribute depending on what is on it. 'Rarebit' for example is meleg olvasztott sajtos pirítós.

                  Cheers,

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                  • Profile picture of the author Hauser
                    Originally Posted by Sandor Verebi View Post


                    What concerns to online translation softwares I'm not quite satisfied with their results. When I use one of them I need to correct it's translation oftentimes. On the other hand it would be necessary to invent them because there would be a need for them if they wouldn't exist. Maybe in the course of time they will be better and more useful.
                    Online translation software I think is only good to use if your interested in the content of a site and you wanna know whats it all about.

                    Using it as a function on a website is definitely 10 Years to early. Although it would be a great feature.

                    I have a German project and tried to automatically translate its content to different languages like English or french with different translators, because it should also be available for some of the most used languages around here.

                    I just laughed my ass off seeing the results. It really is very funny reading your site with a lots of new information you didn't even know about.

                    Its simply not possible to get a good automatic translation for a website yet. But funny...
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                    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
                      Originally Posted by Hauser View Post

                      Online translation software I think is only good to use if your interested in the content of a site and you wanna know whats it all about.

                      Using it as a function on a website is definitely 10 Years to early. Although it would be a great feature.

                      I have a German project and tried to automatically translate its content to different languages like English or french with different translators, because it should also be available for some of the most used languages around here.

                      I just laughed my ass off seeing the results. It really is very funny reading your site with a lots of new information you didn't even know about.

                      Its simply not possible to get a good automatic translation for a website yet. But funny...
                      Hi Hauser,

                      I have similar experience. It happened that I -- by applying a translator software -- want to translate a website from Hungarian into Spanish. When I was finished the work and asked outside opinion about it, the translator (Spanish language teacher who is excellent in her thing) asked me with laughing: what the sh*t is this?

                      And I spent on three days. (And I don't say it already, how I roamed with an Asian language.) So this kind of softwares need to be develop yet.

                      Take care,

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            • Profile picture of the author John Durham
              Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

              I like to explain it as "What The Fornication". Gets the point across without offending sensitive ears.
              The original translation of the word fornication (derived from "fornicus") is to "have sex with a prostitute in the archway". Just a short ot fact, FYI.

              Edit:

              No, the "archway" isn't a slang term for a body part, nor is it a technique like kama sutra.

              lol

              I'm making myself ROTFLMAO
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Originally Posted by Michael Gavre View Post

        ..."I cdnuolt blveiee that I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in what oerdr the ltteres in a word are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is that the frsit and last ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it whotuit a pboerlm. This is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the word as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? "

        :-)

        Michael
        Thanks Michael. Abracadabra...abracadabra...You know I'm a bit slow for this today -- don't abuse my situation, please.

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    • Profile picture of the author Philipc
      I usually find that people whose english is not their first language write much better than those whose first language is english.

      I think texting/instant messaging has corrupted english usage...too quick to type, but no time for editing/grammar.
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      • Profile picture of the author ExRat
        Hi Sandor,

        I'm 100% sure John knew it was a compliment too. But I couldn't let a chance for me to 'take the mickey' out of him pass by.

        I was a bigger fool that I didn't noticed early how I translated that phrase
        I'm not sure if the 'fool' part of that is also a translation thing, but it's a bit harsh to call yourself a fool.

        Even though most us English people are taught a year or two of various languages at school (I did French, German and Latin) the majority of us don't learn to speak other languages properly after leaving school, as well as learning to speak and write our own properly (as mentioned just above).

        The only fools are the ones who don't learn as much as possible about other languages and cultures - I don't think you're one of them!

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        • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
          Thank you for your contribution.

          @ Philip

          You are very kind to us-- I'm conceited. You know, if your mother's language isn't English then you need to be as good as possible -- or a bit better. I hold myself to this.

          @ happy_dayz

          Thank you.

          All the best,

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        • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
          Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

          Hi Sandor,

          I'm 100% sure John knew it was a compliment too. But I couldn't let a chance for me to 'take the mickey' out of him pass by.
          Yes I made that with similar thinking.

          I'm not sure if the 'fool' part of that is also a translation thing, but it's a bit harsh to call yourself a fool.

          Even though most us English people are taught a year or two of various languages at school (I did French, German and Latin) the majority of us don't learn to speak other languages properly after leaving school, as well as learning to speak and write our own properly (as mentioned just above).
          I understand what and why you are saying. The situation is similar here in our country, too. Nevertheless, knowing and practicing other language help you to understand much better the other nations and cultures IMHO. And this is useful.

          The only fools are the ones who don't learn as much as possible about other languages and cultures - I don't think you're one of them!
          Fellow members are the best judge.

          pirítós
          Ohhh, the toast is fine. And your spelling is excellent.

          Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author Gardenbella
      I agree. It seems that in our hurry to post replies we forget to check for mistakes. I often type my reply in MSWord, do a spell check and then paste it into the reply box. The one mistake I hate is people who don't use capitals for their name or for I. I have to say that I am suspicious of IM Guru's who have a bunch of spelling mistakes in their sales copies. If they can't spell does that mean their information is also flawed???
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    • Profile picture of the author Deb Holder
      This issue bothers me too.

      If a client pays me, it is my obligation to give him or her copy that is error-free. It amazes me how many people will return a product to the store if it does not meet expectations, yet they seem to think that it's okay to be lazy with written language after they've been paid to market someone's business.

      I've taught English for 10 years now. When students enter college, many are embarrassingly unprepared. Their high school teachers did not hold them accountable for spelling or punctuation in their papers. Then, when they get in my class, they accuse me of being too picky. I tell them that I don't make the rules; I merely enforce them.

      This may surprise you, but students who speak English as a second language write much better than the average students. It's the American students that seem to have all the problems.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    You know what I keep wondering?

    WTF does an editor do these days?

    They sure as hell aren't doing a lot of editing. I see misspelled headlines. What do they do? Do they even have a job, or is it just a meaningless title so you can boss people around?
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by CDarklock View Post

      You know what I keep wondering?

      WTF does an editor do these days?

      They sure as hell aren't doing a lot of editing. I see misspelled headlines. What do they do? Do they even have a job, or is it just a meaningless title so you can boss people around?
      Hi CDarklock,

      LOL... I cant make a proper reply to you because beeing old-fashioned, so please enlighten me what WTF does mean in your interpretaion? I have several supposes:

      World Taekwondo Federation
      Work Time Fun (PSP game)
      Whiskey Tango Foxtrot
      Worse Than Failure
      Wednesday Thursday Friday
      Where's the Fire?
      When They Fall (band)
      Will to Fight
      Williamstown Theatre Festival
      Wasn't That Funny
      Way to Fly
      What The Freak (polite form)
      Werewolf: the Forsaken (gaming)
      Way To Fail
      Went to France
      What To Fix
      What's This For?
      Write to File

      ... or is it a forum or what?

      You know I'm a perpetual learner, help me, please.

      Cheers,

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  • Profile picture of the author The Pension Guy
    Re: weight category

    That happens when people speaking/writing in their second language translate automatically phrases and idioms from their mother tongue.

    As an ex-translator/interpreter I can tell you that's the most common mistake people do when switching to another language. No offense, either

    The English expression for the Hungarian súlycsoport [weigh class in boxing, e.g.] would be "we are not in the same league".
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by The Pension Guy View Post

      Re: weight category

      That happens when people speaking/writing in their second language translate automatically phrases and idioms from their mother tongue.

      As an ex-translator/interpreter I can tell you that's the most common mistake people do when switching to another language. No offense, either

      The English expression for the Hungarian súlycsoport [weigh class in boxing, e.g.] would be "we are not in the same league".
      Hi Pension Guy,

      I'm very grateful for your post. You may have a tremendous experience on this field, far much as I have. I have pleasure if I meet someone who is able to teach me to be better in my speaking/writing.

      Thank you so much. I hope your things go well in Canada.

      Take care,

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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by rjoger View Post

      Hi,

      I appreciate your concerns over the day to day deteriorating standards of English language. I share similar thoughts and believe Short Messaging Service(SMS) and Instant Messaging(IM) are huge contributing factors for this loss of communication standards. May be with time things will improve again(but MAY BE NOT is the real answer).

      Joger
      Hi Joger,

      This is a one of a kind dilemma what we may not decide. But I think if everyone adds his own best part to it then we'll be arrive near to the solution.

      Thank you and all the best,

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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      When it comes to something intended to be credible, i.e.; a sales page, ebook, etc., then I agree that spelling and grammar errors have no place there. That's more for the benefit of the marketer though - because it is an issue of credibility.
      Mike, thank you.

      We are on a learning and business building forum where we may see similar mistakes everyday. I know that nobody is perfect including myself and may not be possible to expect perfection from every contributors.

      But I fully agree that to appear as an authority it needs the fastidiousness for ourselves and our writing work.

      However, when it comes to simply "Communicating", these errors don't bother me in the least. I think more weight should be placed on the ability to communicate information itself than on the spelling and grammar, structure, etc. The important thing to me is getting the idea across.
      Yes, the essence is that your readers get and understand your message.

      And I also think that we may be in the early stages of actually seeing an acceptable evolution in the English language, like it or not. I suspect that the phonetic "short-hand" used for things like texting, will eventually find their place in dictionaries and become acceptable in at least informal communication.
      The living world is more international nowadays than before. The changes have an effect on everybody, you cannot evade these. Naturally, the languages are also evolving. And you may fall behind if you do not keep a step.

      [EDIT]

      LOL - I just happen to notice the first word on a sales page of mine was spelled wrong, hehehehe. Thanks for making me pay more attention...
      You are welcome, Mike.

      Take care,

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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Greetings.

        @ Innovator

        You are working this way because you have a claim for yourself and your product. Great. Perhaps your nick matches.

        @ Shirland

        You are banging on open gates at me. I only can to confirm what you say -- mainly at the selection of an employee. Your proposals are useful -- if only more people would apply them. We hope for the best ones.

        Thank you for your posts

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  • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
    Originally Posted by mrcleo123 View Post

    Dear Sandor, I respect your thoughts and feelings, but does not completely agree with you at some points. Today people are moving very fast and wants to run faster than time. Shortening words in messengers only saves time but this really does not mean that grammar is being erased from human mind.
    Hi mrcleo123,

    Okay, I understand what you say -- and I'm tolerate this in a fast forum post. You are right we are living in accelerated times. The OP and other posts above tried to pointing out that this causes negative impact on your credibility and sales if your leads realize them in your writing on your website or blog. Thank you.

    Have a nice day,

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  • Profile picture of the author innovator
    I read 5x minimum after i created an article. and most often i use dictionaries online if im unsure of the spelling.
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  • Profile picture of the author shirland
    When you are writing an article, blog, forum etc. you are potentially writing something that might read by many people. The internet is a place that once it is out there you can never get it back. People should be more concerned about what they put out there but most are not. Employers are now checking out the social Medias pages for potential employees. Your writing is a reflection of who you are as a person. If the person reading your articles sees many spelling errors and grammatically incorrect sentences they might view you as lazy. Spelling and grammar check are still available on all word processing programs. The best solution use is to read the article aloud, normally if does not flow right then you know the grammar is off.
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  • Profile picture of the author ramohr
    Most people write like people talk. And that's why so many successful copywriters
    connect with their readers. Most people read on a 6th grade level. So if you want them to spend their money with you...you better write in a way they can understand you. Study some of the salesletters of great copywriters.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by ramohr View Post

      Most people write like people talk. And that's why so many successful copywriters connect with their readers.
      Hi ramohr,

      It is a fact what you say. But these authors understand their thing and know their audience certainly. I'm sure those successful peoples keep in their mind what kind of quality they give out of their hand. They are sensitive to their reputation, you know.

      Most people read on a 6th grade level. So if you want them to spend their money with you...you better write in a way they can understand you.
      Let your message go over to your readers mind without mistakes. Their confidence will be bigger in you if they see your faultless sales letter -- what is more your selling will increase though.

      Study some of the salesletters of great copywriters.
      Wise advice, it was mentioned already higher up. Well, to study is never too late, and from the better ones is worthy, too.

      Thank you for your post.

      Many successes,

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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Fulfer
    Great news!
    Thanks to the hard work of everyone that's voiced their e-pinions in this thread about poor grammar and spelling the issue will finally be taken up by the internet authorities and resolved once and for all.
    Great work everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author Theone24
    Bad spellers try to pronounce the letters, where as good spellers visualize the word. (Which is why reading is good for improving writing.) It's just practice and habit.
    There is no excuse for websites and sales letters having spelling mistakes, that's just being lazy.
    But in forums ect. I am not so bothered.

    P.S. My spelling is bad!
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Hi fellows.

      @ Philip

      I don't know this word "thunk" -- didn't find it in three dictionaries. It may be a new slang? Btw see the advices above.

      @ JELL

      Yes, it is a good practice if you are reading loudly what you wrote, like this easier to notice and correct the mistakes you made. Also it is good to ask someone in your surroundings to proofread your work because more eyes more see.

      Concerning mistakes on websites or sales copy I agree.

      Everybody can make some progression if he/she wants.

      Thank you for your posts,

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  • Profile picture of the author marketersva
    Great post! There are a couple of letters that I traditionally mix up - especially when I'm in a hurry. For example: x and v - not sure why, they aren't right next to one another ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by marketersva View Post

      Great post! There are a couple of letters that I traditionally mix up - especially when I'm in a hurry. For example: x and v - not sure why, they aren't right next to one another ...
      Hi Katie,

      It is interesting because there is a c letter between them on the keyboard. I reveal something but for only you: I confuse the letters beside each other sometimes when I'm in a hurry. But after finish the writing I always re-read severals what I committed for correcting mispellings.

      And I'm sure that you work on same manner because I saw what your clientele says about you. You as a virtual assistant can give tremendous help to them to appear as a trustworthy business partner. Keep up the good work.

      Thank you. Many successes,

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  • Profile picture of the author Laura Varon
    This post is particularily interesting to me for several reasons.

    As you already perhaps noticed English is not my mother's language. Despite of it I always strive for correct spelling in my writing.
    Most english speakers are not native speakers I'm one of them!

    That is not to say that my English is perfect, by any means... but I learned it from capable instructors AND parallel to learning my own native language (Spanish), so I try to be mindful when I use it. Little else brings me more satisfaction than being told "your English is excellent!" by a native speaker (or being mistaken by one), hehe!


    We have a conversation with one of my friend recently who has a doctorate in linguistics. He blames the messenger and cell phones because people tend to shortened the words or to substitute on purpose some letters when we try to write a message fast, so at then end we get use to write incorrectly in every time. Naturally, writing on the net have the potential to make inaccuracies, there's also chance that there'll be nobody checking our work for grammar mistakes.
    I had to take two linguistics courses at the university and this is one of the things that was placed more emphasys on: being a copywriter, I can't yield to the comfort of word shortening (and I'm a copywriter out of my love for the written word, so I couldn't possibly do something like that in the first place).

    And I must say that I absolutely agree with what Mr. MichaelHiles said above. People are, indeed, functionally illiterate. (And lazy!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared Alberghini
    Originally Posted by Sandor Verebi View Post

    Sure, if I see a website with poor grammar I associate that with the quality of the offered product and don't purchase
    Sandor,

    Your statement above sums it up perfectly. If ya can't speell, ya ain't gonna sell!

    Seriously though, I am also often frustrated at the lack of correct grammar within sales pages, but it makes me think, well, that's one less competitor I have to worry about...

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  • Profile picture of the author bagheera101
    There's some merit to both camps here. Some say that information trumps presentation, while others believe it's the other way around.

    I'm in the latter category, mainly because I have a proofreader's eye. I was taught English by my mother, who would call me out on any slight mistakes she found in my reading or writing, either at school (I was homeschooled) or during "off hours". This taught me to proofread my own work from a very early age!

    Then, I know people who can write perfect English if they so choose... they just don't.

    And then there are people who try to write perfect English, but their knowledge is lacking. I have a lot of respect for people who try, because many don't have the courage to stick their necks out and learn by experience. They often face the flamers who raise hell over a misplaced comma, and I try to interject a few words in their defense when I can.

    Lastly, there are the people who know better but simply don't try. It's this category that annoys me endlessly. Does it really take that much longer to type "you" instead of "u"? To use proper punctuation? My WPM rate begs to differ.

    And now I'll step off my soapbox before it breaks!
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  • Profile picture of the author freebienut
    I agree i am very poor in writing skills since i write like i speak and do not use capitalization and the such... But if i need to really get the job done i usually use word to proofread what i write to see my mistakes. I prolly end up with a crappy edit since word is not perfect but it is better than what i can do.. as far as caps go most times it is shear laziness since i am a horrible typist that prolly types 15 - 20 -words a minute.... I always had great comprehension in school just really shitty at communicating with others through the writing medium.... I believe ADHD has something to do with it since my mind thinks way faster than i can let things out maybe if i could type 200 words a minute i would have half of a chance at representing myself properly. Sorry for this now you know why i do this sorry if it is annoying i dont mean it....

    Sorry, Freebie
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hi,

    I hpoe you can frgiove me for tihs psot And I'm olny doing it in jset bceuase it's mdinhgt and I'm felenig gdidy atfer a flul dyas wrok. I raelly do tihnk taht msot of us sohuld use splel chke msot of the tmie. Hwoever, it's been prvoen tmie and tmie agian taht if you get the frist and lsat letetr coerrct then our brian will put the rset tgoehter.

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  • Profile picture of the author ryancameron
    I think it's due to the fact that most people rush and never review what they've written before uploading it. Plus... English class was always boring!
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Turner
    Oh git a lif guys - wats it mater so lon as ya git me drift ... aah!

    On a more real point - conservartive views like these presume the English language is set in stone - not so - it's an evolving entity that changes with usage - it's usage that decides what is correct - not some rule book - Have you ever read Shakespear??
    um - correct at the time - but a bit dated now mmmm
    Any way if wot ya sa iz not wurth redin then it don mater anywa
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      Originally Posted by Danny Turner View Post

      Oh git a lif guys - wats it mater so lon as ya git me drift ... aah!

      On a more real point - conservartive views like these presume the English language is set in stone - not so - it's an evolving entity that changes with usage - it's usage that decides what is correct - not some rule book - Have you ever read Shakespear??
      um - correct at the time - but a bit dated now mmmm
      Any way if wot ya sa iz not wurth redin then it don mater anywa
      What a dumb way to look at it. If it changes too much, have the stuff shown here would be invalid for one reason or another. It is bad enough that some suggest tricks, or that lotus notes keeps digesting parts of what I type.

      And YEP, English is the evolution of a language created by a *******dization of German and Danish. Danish ITSELF appears to have evolved from a type of low german. So extreme changes to a language may become a pidgeon, or another language entirely.

      As I indicated, many English statements CHANGE MEANING with such mistakes. German is the same with declensions.

      Steve
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        Hi Ladies and Gentlemen!

        The prodigal son returned. Sorry to have kept you without answer so long - not beautiful thing is to start something and not to finish it. The reason of my absence is a severals weeks' hospital treatment. You know, I was not born yesterday. But I don't want to bore you with details. They are unimportant.

        I just want to thank you for your kind contribution shortly:

        - @ kadensnga

        I see. Btw thanks for the translation.

        - @ Kekoa Chung

        Agreed. Your proposal in the PDF is useful.

        - @ Laura Varon

        Congrats on your language-learning effort. Its result turns up certainly. Be steady. Many successes.

        - @ Jared Alberghini

        Jared, your words are music to my ears. I have the same opinion as you - this way our opportunities will increase.

        - @ bagheera101

        To have a proofreader's eye is a treasure. You said well, learning by experience makes the master. Prop your soapbox up, it will be more stable that way.

        - @ Deb Holder

        Deb, after your explanation I would not like to be in the English-language teachers' shoe. You must to make tremendous effort to correct their mistakes. I feel the life will force them to be better in their grammar. And later this will be not anymore so easy than in the school desk. I wish strength and perseverance to your work.

        - @ freebienut

        Learn, exercise yourself and after a time you'll be more better in your writing. Just do it. Be persistent.

        - @ George Wright

        Yes, I see, the human brain may make wonders.

        - @ Joeman

        You are right. Media isn't better than the everyday life. Sometimes it is more worse because of its impact on the people. Hmmm... Wales and Whales are a bit different things. The truth resides in your last sentence. Hoping the best...

        - @ ryancameron

        Two things are necessary to the success of all learning processes: one called teacher and one to study wanting student.

        - @ Danny Turner

        Are you kidding?

        - @seasoned

        Hi Steve. Here is an opinion about the referred book:

        "OK. So this is one of the definitive reference books on style in written English. Just don't confuse style with grammar--if you want to understand grammar per se, this isn't the book for you. (Steven Pinker's "The Language Instinct" is what you want--quite a bit wittier than Strunk & White, too.) "The Chicago Manual of Style" or "Wired Style: Principles of English Usage in the Digital Age" are both for sale at Amazon, too, and I think they're ultimately better references. But if you want to write well, well, buy Strunk & White, and abide by their oft-archaic but always lucid guidelines. Just, please, don't stop with them. The most-acclaimed writers in the English language conform not closely to Strunk & White's principles (cf. Shakespeare, Jefferson, Longfellow, Hemingway, Pynchon, Morrison... whatever your taste may be), so be mindful that this book is not alone the key to becoming a great writer."

        Amazon.com: A Customer's review of The Elements of Style, Third Edition

        I agree with that.

        I do understand that the way how people use their language in our surruondings may have impact to us, we can be annoyed on them. But I feel that we need to grab every occassion occured when we can help them to be better in their grammar and their life. Because the responsibility for the correct language-usage is ours, the society of writers.

        I know that nothing is set in stone (as someone says) and languages are changing with our life. However, we may be exacting onto ourselves and our work. It is worthy, as I experinced in all my life.

        I again want to say thank you for your kind contribution.

        Have a nice day,

        Sandor
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        • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
          Hi fellows,

          I've got quite a few messages since our latest talk and I made a few observations, too. I'd like to add these now.

          We mentioned the translator softwares on this place early. I made a small research from curiosity. By visiting 11 different sites, I tried their translation feature with 3 translation tasks and noticed disappointing results only. There was a content's translation from English into German, another was English into Hungarian, the last was German into Hungarian.

          All they produced crap. It was necessary to repair their content what cost me some hours of mine. (Anyway, seven sites from all of them are belonging to big IT names.)

          Seems that the problem with language translation software on webpages and grammar checkers is the same ... grammar requires context, and computers cannot understand context properly yet.

          They can only make judgement calls based on what the majority of people tend to do. They cannot get it right all of the time, and they usually require manual revision rather than being able to decide for themselves how best to reiterate the essence.

          Okay, I know that computers cannot think independently (btw that is good, sometimes. Nevertheless, the usage of a translator software is useful and necessary. What concerns to the spell checker I wuld suggest it's usage for every website builder people.

          So, that kind of softwares have grounds but continuing to improve them is necessary. Anyway, there is a hope related to the correct spelling on websites and blogs. The Google Wave is coming. What will it be like? We'll see.

          Jump.

          A funny comment I got: if Shakespeare would have today's technology at his time, then he would write Hamlet like this: '2be or not 2be' or 'I be or I don't be'? Maybe, but he had not the MTV as a reference in using English, I think.

          Jump.

          Another comment: there is a direct link between grammar, spelling and punctuation and critical-thinking and problem-solving skills. Those with poor writing require the most assistance (and obviously don't read directions, FAQ's and such). However, those who have fair to good writing skills rarely require help. But when they do, it's a purposeful reason.

          Similarly, the people with poor writing have the most declined payment and/or problems with their credit cards on websites, according to experiences. Is this the sign of there being opportunities of which advantage is not taken yet in the education possibly? What do you think?

          All the best,

          Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Here. let me give you my take on this.

    I learned to ignore it.

    If I tried learning your native tongue, I know for a fact I would butcher it to no end. So why should I expect any better from you, knowing that english isn't your native tongue?

    So I apply the golden rule: Treat others the way you would want to be treated yourself. And yes, that includes situations where someone is taking a sledgehammer to english and pounding away.

    You should do the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Hi Floyd,

      Thank you. I understand and appreciate your advice on it. There will be less of my headache if I do so presumably.

      All the best,

      Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I guess people do not use spell check. Sadly, many people do not work hard to create quality content. Later they often complain about low sales. Poor Spelling = Poor Selling.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      I guess people do not use spell check. Sadly, many people do not work hard to create quality content. Later they often complain about low sales. Poor Spelling = Poor Selling.
      Hi seobro,

      Agreed. Though it's usage is not complicated and does not take away much time at all. Besides, it is free. As a customer I do not purhase from that website which has many typos, because I suppose that the quality of the product is also not perfect.

      All the best,

      Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author nRehman
    "Typing" used to be a technical stuff that required a certified learning and training and these people were also promoted to be stenographers with added knowledge of short hand before this desktop computer era.. Anyways, now nobody cares about how he or she is doing it, he makes his own rules but without any criteria, because he even dont care which finger he pressed last time when writing the same digit. So when fingers and mind separately think to make a decision then words could change their shapes in either a correct one or not.

    On the other hand when typing online this could happen that we instantly change our mind on what we have different view while starting to write about the thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by nRehman View Post

      "Typing" used to be a technical stuff that required a certified learning and training and these people were also promoted to be stenographers with added knowledge of short hand before this desktop computer era.. Anyways, now nobody cares about how he or she is doing it, he makes his own rules but without any criteria, because he even dont care which finger he pressed last time when writing the same digit. So when fingers and mind separately think to make a decision then words could change their shapes in either a correct one or not.

      On the other hand when typing online this could happen that we instantly change our mind on what we have different view while starting to write about the thing.
      Hi nRehman,

      It was a single separate trade, I remember. They respected those who learned, graduated and dealt with this trade -- because they were worthy of it.

      Today everybody may write what he wants and as he can. I agree on your last sentence and I tolerate the forum posts. I feel the essence is that we need to take care on the flawless of content of our website and blog -- not to mention our ads.

      All the best,

      Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author MustafaKamal
    Then again. I feel that it's best to have it checked before publishing it online.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by MustafaKamal View Post

      Then again. I feel that it's best to have it checked before publishing it online.
      Hi Mustafa,

      Yes, it is advisable to look after the correctness of your content on your website or blog. If someone read your ad and by clicking to your link visits your site then it is not equal what opinion he make about your business.

      Your sales copy or your blog is your first impression. Make a good first impression and you have already overcome half the battle of making the sale. If you neglect to do the repairing of your mistakes, then do not expect gazilion of sales!

      All the best,

      Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy Meirndorf
    Here is a cool fcat as lnog as the fisrt and lsat letetrs are the smae anbyody can raed the senantce.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by Randy Meirndorf View Post

      Here is a cool fcat as lnog as the fisrt and lsat letetrs are the smae anbyody can raed the senantce.
      Hi Randy,

      LOL...

      The first and the last letter is same above. Thus, you may to read that (abbreviated) sentence.

      All the best,

      Sandor
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  • Profile picture of the author apple87jane
    Different place different way to speak out. I from asian and very hard for me to write a america style articles...I need the word correction programe to help me to write an article. The Whit Smoke...is very helpfull for me...
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
      Originally Posted by apple87jane View Post

      Different place different way to speak out. I from asian and very hard for me to write a america style articles...I need the word correction programe to help me to write an article. The Whit Smoke...is very helpfull for me...
      Hi apple87jane,

      It is honourable your intention that you want to write articles. For those of you who want success in this is necessary to acquire the bases of the English language well. Then you may be able to recognize and apply the differences between American and British English.

      It is possible with practising only though. You have taken the first step. Go further.

      Many successes,

      Sandor
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