Warrior Forum redesign

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Would you guys like to see a redesign of Warrior Forum?
#forum #redesign #warrior
  • Profile picture of the author RichardF
    I actually voted no because while this template may not be "good looking", it's very functional and not at all distracting. WF just wouldn't be the same with a "modern" responsive layout...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by RichardF View Post

      I actually voted no because while this template may not be "good looking", it's very functional and not at all distracting. WF just wouldn't be the same with a "modern" responsive layout...
      Yeh with a redesign it would look different. I definitely wouldn't want to change functionality or features. Could it be improved and cleaned up a bit to look a bit more aesthetically pleasing?
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  • Profile picture of the author tomako
    I think yes but, it must look like a forum after redesign. The usability is the most important thing for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by tomako View Post

      I think yes but, it must look like a forum after redesign. The usability is the most important thing for me.
      Yeh I agree with this. We could try to bring the forum into the 21st century but still keep all the functionality.
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  • I vote no it works
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by HelpingYouBeAnExpert View Post

      I vote no it works
      I think just because something works doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed and potentially improved?

      I really like this quote from Henry Ford.

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      • Profile picture of the author Meharis
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        I think just because something works doesn't mean it shouldn't be changed and potentially improved?

        I really like this quote from Henry Ford.


        Here is an other of Henry Ford's famous quote:

        "Any customer can have a car painted any color he wants so long as it is black.".

        Meharis
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    • Profile picture of the author PBScott
      Originally Posted by HelpingYouBeAnExpert View Post

      I vote no it works
      ^^ I'm with that
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  • Profile picture of the author petkanov
    Dont change it, it works great as it is!
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  • Profile picture of the author esk
    So many companies want to do a redesign and spend a lot of money...somehow I always dislike the redesign and want the original design back. So because of that I voted for no because the site is good the way it is
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    • Profile picture of the author michaeloslier
      I think a redesign would be good. People usually don't like change though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
    Yes!

    The current design is VERY dated. You can design a nice layout and still keep all of the functionality and have it look like a board. I'd love to see an updated look.

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  • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Sopitan
    I voted no to keep the brand but a redesign is somehow welcome
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    • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
      Please may I request the redesign has my WSO's as sticky's in every thread?



      OK, worth a go I suppose!

      Love how you guys are shaking the house up - yes a redesign would be awesome I think , as long as it was still easy to get around!
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      • Profile picture of the author Alaister
        Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

        Love how you guys are shaking the house up - yes a redesign would be awesome I think , as long as it was still easy to get around!
        It definitely wouldn't be our goal to make it harder to get around :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Alaister
        Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

        Please may I request the redesign has my WSO's as sticky's in every thread?
        Would you find value in a paid upgrade to have your WSO a sticky pinned to the top for a day?
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        • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
          Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

          Would you find value in a paid upgrade to have your WSO a sticky pinned to the top for a day?
          Yes absolutely, here is an idea:

          3 top spots for stickies in the wso forum.

          $50 a day - just thinking - the site wide banner is $100 a day i think.

          Of course it would always be full as everyone would want it - but would be an awesome idea!

          All the best,

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  • Profile picture of the author aronprins
    A redesign would be great but it should be kept minimum.
    Think about user UI, accessibility to diffrent parts of the boards and making it a bit more 2.0.

    Overall an easy and quick fix I guess
    An upgrade to a later version of vBulletin would already be great I guess.

    Hope this helps.
    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by aronprins View Post

      A redesign would be great but it should be kept minimum.
      Think about user UI, accessibility to diffrent parts of the boards and making it a bit more 2.0.

      Overall an easy and quick fix I guess
      An upgrade to a later version of vBulletin would already be great I guess.

      Hope this helps.
      Cheers,
      Aron
      Yeh great points. You're right about focusing on UI and accessibility.
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  • Profile picture of the author NK
    I'm pleased that WF has always stayed the same since as long as I can remember, or that I can notice anyway. If a redesign is actually planned, would love to keep the same kind of theme going - color, style, etc. What's most important is to keep and fix any problems with functionality, and even expand beyond what the forum is capable of right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
    I voted No, because i feel you shouldn't change something people are used to for so long. It wouldn't serve any purpose other than to destroy nostalgia...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by JensSteyaert View Post

      I voted No, because i feel you shouldn't change something people are used to for so long. It wouldn't serve any purpose other than to destroy nostalgia...
      It could serve to improve usability, aesthetics and experience.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        It could serve to improve usability, aesthetics and experience.
        Design is design and I doubt that many are unhappy with the design. As for experience, that really has nothing to do with design. The time outs, the constant barrage of spam ... those are issues that affect usability and experience.

        Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

        This place looks old, dated, and mean.

        Pastel colors would make things much more inviting.

        Plus, if you're into spamming, writing endless self-promotional posts, or running scams, it would be much easier on the eyes for extended periods of time.
        It would actually make me quite queasy to see the WF in baby blue, like so many other corporate websites on the Net... because nothing says Warrior like baby blue or pink or lavender.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          It would actually make me quite queasy to see the WF in baby blue, like so many other corporate websites on the Net... because nothing says Warrior like baby blue or pink or lavender.
          It would still say "Warrior"... but maybe a Warrior who's not afraid to cry, likes romantic comedies, and just wants to cuddle from time-to-time.

          You also have to think about the spammer from Bangladesh or scammer from Nigeria. For years they've been seeing this same old, out-dated, worn design.

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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            It could serve to improve usability, aesthetics and experience.
            Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

            It would still say "Warrior"... but maybe a Warrior who's not afraid to cry, likes romantic comedies, and just wants to cuddle from time-to-time.

            You also have to think about the spammer from Bangladesh or scammer from Nigeria. For years they've been seeing this same out dated, worn design.

            lol ... kind of a sissy, kind and loving Renaissance kind of Warrior
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          • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
            Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

            It would still say "Warrior"... but maybe a Warrior who's not afraid to cry, likes romantic comedies, and just wants to cuddle from time-to-time.

            You also have to think about the spammer from Bangladesh or scammer from Nigeria. For years they've been seeing this same old, out-dated, worn design.
            LOL!!....Yes, I agree, even the scammers need a change.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      I voted "no" because "redesign" casts such a wide net, and there may be other issues higher on the priority list.

      For example, when I access the forum using Chrome, I often get "no data received" errors and have to refresh the page several times to get it to load. Or I'll get a miscellaneous database error.

      If a redesign includes changes to the infrastructure to reduce this kind of issue, I'm fully ready to change my vote...
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Alaister,

    You might want to give members here a sneak peak of two or three options before making a pool. Everyone probably has their own idea of how an improved WF version would look like (and probably some of them only imagine disasters), so the pool results aren't very conclusive.

    Why not offer a few links to demos and then ask again? I think the results might be different.

    ...

    Personally, I'm in between - I wouldn't mind changing it, but I also wouldn't mind keeping it, so I didn't vote.
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  • Profile picture of the author vishwa
    I also think that warriorforum needs redesigning.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADVERTHEORY
    I voted yes. And your WSO ideas are great, reduce entry fee and a premium to sticky them.


    Crash and burn
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I'm pleased that WF has always stayed the same since as long as I can remember,
      No, it hasn't. You joined in 2007 - the WF changed to this current platform and design in mid-2008.

      People often prefer what they know to a design change....but after the change the design becomes what they know.

      What is badly needed is a filter to keep the spam out - too much is getting through now. Must drive the mods nuts trying to keep up with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alaister
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        What is badly needed is a filter to keep the spam out - too much is getting through now. Must drive the mods nuts trying to keep up with it.
        Yeh this is a high priority. We're working on some things to eliminate as much spam as possible.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
          Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

          Yeh this is a high priority. We're working on some things to eliminate as much spam as possible.
          To address spam and eliminate it drastically would be the requirement to enter your password after every post. When you make a post and click the submit button a window opens, slides down, whatever, and you have to quickly enter your password to complete the published post.

          Just thinking out loud...

          PS. I like the way the forum is now as far as visual and functionality. It's simple and familiar.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
            Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

            To address spam and eliminate it drastically would be the requirement to enter your password after every post. When you make a post and click the submit button a window opens, slides down, whatever, and you have to quickly enter your password to complete the published post.

            Just thinking out loud...

            PS. I like the way the forum is now as far as visual and functionality. It's simple and familiar.
            It would be a pain in the ass to enter a password after every post, but may be worth it, to get rid of spam. Then again maybe bots can be programmed to post passwords? maybe a captcha would be better?
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            • Profile picture of the author Alaister
              Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

              It would be a pain in the ass to enter a password after every post, but may be worth it, to get rid of spam. Then again maybe bots can be programmed to post passwords? maybe a captcha would be better?
              Yeh I definitely want to get rid of this spam. It's really annoying. We'll look to implement a new captcha that might help. Once we've done it we can look at the stats and see how effective it is
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

                Yeh I definitely want to get rid of this spam. It's really annoying. We'll look to implement a new captcha that might help. Once we've done it we can look at the stats and see how effective it is
                It's a lot more than annoying. It's time consuming and tiring to the moderators and member moderators who deal with it. It seems to me to be a whole lot more than it was just a couple of weeks ago with no end in sight. I recall when this particular brand of spammer went on a rampage here and Paul said that they were working on a fix, a filter I assume. It appeared to work because until now, this kind of spam wasn't coming in a constant stream as it appears to be now (at least not apparently so from the front end view). So, what changed and can you change it back?

                It should be pretty apparent that the majority does not want a redesign. They merely want a couple of issues resolved like spam and timing out. Forums are so much more than a piece of software and a skin. They are a community of people who have common interests and I don't recall any conversations showing an interest in forum design previously, other than to add Tap a Talk capabilities for those who want to view it and respond via mobile.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
                Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

                Yeh I definitely want to get rid of this spam. It's really annoying. We'll look to implement a new captcha that might help. Once we've done it we can look at the stats and see how effective it is
                Using passwords after every post will not stop spam bots, and Captcha will not slow them down much, but will cost them more money in captcha solving services.

                The best solution IMO, is to have a software filter them out, like akismet. It would automatically block spam like threads/post and make it alot easier on the mods, and free up alot of their time to make sure the forum runs smooth. If warriors can't get their post past a spam filter, then they are most likely spamming anyways.
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            • Profile picture of the author simontip
              Originally Posted by AUKev View Post

              I am fine with the general layout/design of the site, but it is nearly unusable on a mobile device. A responsive or mobile optimized version would greatly enhance the usability and would increase traffic and engagement long term as more and more people switch to using mobile devices online as their primary device.

              Really? I use the forum a lot on my phone and find it as easy to use as when I'm viewing on my desktop, as the page renders in the same way which is what I want. The ONLY issue I would address is the fact that I have to scroll left and right to see everything. A design that resized the page to fit a mobile screen would be great.

              However, if a mobile version of the site is ever introduced please please please give us the option to switch to the desktop layout. Too many sites impose their mobile site on me without asking (and very often these sites have reduced functionality) but don't offer any means to switch. The result? I'll click away never to return.


              Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

              To address spam and eliminate it drastically would be the requirement to enter your password after every post. When you make a post and click the submit button a window opens, slides down, whatever, and you have to quickly enter your password to complete the published post.

              Just thinking out loud...

              PS. I like the way the forum is now as far as visual and functionality. It's simple and familiar.
              Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

              It would be a pain in the ass to enter a password after every post, but may be worth it, to get rid of spam. Then again maybe bots can be programmed to post passwords? maybe a captcha would be better?
              Windows that slide into view are the only things my phone can't handle. Very often you can't scroll right, left, up or down to see all of the information because they stubbornly refuse to come all the way onto the screen, or else they jump around all over the place. The only way to see the whole window is to zoom out, and then you can't read the information because it's so small!

              Regarding Captcha, if you use this make it numbers or a puzzle or something. If I see one more of those Captchas using stretched words I can't read (which means I have to keep refreshing it) I think my head's going to explode in frustration :-)

              Overall I voted "yes" for a redesign, if only because change is necessary for anything to evolve. But definitely keep the branding. If I was confronted with a bank of 100 screens displaying the home pages of different websites I'd be able to pick out the Warrior Forum in a millisecond....and that's good.
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        • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
          Welcome to WarriorForum It's nice to see more active participation by Management. Alan may have been active managing things, but he was not so visible and did not appear to be interested in what his members had to say from where I sat.

          Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

          Yeh this is a high priority. We're working on some things to eliminate as much spam as possible.
          I've noticed a big increase in spam and junk recently.
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      • Profile picture of the author NK
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        No, it hasn't. You joined in 2007 - the WF changed to this current platform and design in mid-2008.
        lol i seriously cant remember how it looked like, feels like i've seen this design forever.

        it sounds like a redesign is indeed coming, i'm actually all up for it if it would improve the usability of the forum
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  • Profile picture of the author decks
    I haven't been here long but I've grown to like the current format
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I will abstain from the official vote because there is no option for "neutral."

    I would tread very carefully in this area. I have abandoned more then one site because of "new and better" that just destroyed the user experience.

    I'm curious to see where this forum will be a year from now.

    I want to suggest coming up with a better way of purchasing the top banner spot (unless that will change) instead of the way it has been. Never understood that one.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      I want to suggest coming up with a better way of purchasing the top banner spot (unless that will change) instead of the way it has been. Never understood that one.
      Yen a few people have spoken to me about this. I'm working to implement a better purchasing experience and perhaps scheduling of the banner ads. It is ver confusing and clunky now.
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    • Profile picture of the author AUKev
      I am fine with the general layout/design of the site, but it is nearly unusable on a mobile device. A responsive or mobile optimized version would greatly enhance the usability and would increase traffic and engagement long term as more and more people switch to using mobile devices online as their primary device.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    No. I don't think a re-design is necessary. The red and grey theme looks okay already. Digital Spy re-designed their forum a few months ago and made it look worse than it did before.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I love the design as it is. Why, if you say that you're running it independently, would you consider redesigning the well worn look of the WF ... for what? Some sleek corporate look?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
      Old farts like me are generally opposed to change, but I have actually come to embrace it thanks to social media and other changes in how my wife and I live our lives everyday. If you have ideas that will make WF more aesthetically pleasing, while improving functionality, I say go for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Just like time you can't stop progress...
    Go ahead Alaister pull this lot into the 21st century
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  • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
    Coke re-designed or re formulated the ingredients years ago! How did that work out?
    I vote No!

    imo if it becomes like so may other forums then it stops being the "WarriorForum"

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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    I like the design as it is.

    The old saying goes like this:

    If it is not broken, don't fix it.(in our case, if people are used to the design of the forum and it is working for us, leave it as it is).

    I think that you should leave the forum as it is and don't change anything about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
      Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

      I like the design as it is.

      The old saying goes like this:

      If it is not broken, don't fix it.(in our case, if people are used to the design of the forum and it is working for us, leave it as it is).

      I think that you should leave the forum as it is and don't change anything about it.
      If you dropped $3 mill on the forum would you leave it as it is?

      Just wondering and of course i understand both points of view but apart from aesthetics there will be loads of changes here I think.

      I think it will be more integrated with Freelancer in time as there are always a lot of people looking for product creation.

      I like the way the forum is too but also excited for the changes.

      Whether they will work out for the best overall or worse - well that is the exciting part.

      Now where did i put my parachute again?
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      • Profile picture of the author bobsstuff
        Like it has already been said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

        Typically the "repairs" I see to sites are done by people who do not regularly use the site and just make the changes because they look good, or "the boss" wants some changes.

        The changes are often almost useless to the people who actually use the site. Sometimes the changes actually break functions of a website or take a simple one step procedure and turn it into a complicated 3 step procedure that makes little sense.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Alaister,

        Change is hard to swallow for a lot of people. As my Granddad used to say: "I've seen a lot of good changes in my life, and I was against every one of them!"

        Here's a suggestion.

        Maybe the way to address change is by taking one small step at a time. Implement it, test it, and track results. If it works and members generally see it as a good thing, then leave the change in place and move to the next little change. If it doesn't work folks will let you know and you can always go back to the way things were previously.

        We all know the story of the frog in the pot of water on the stove. We don't want everyone jumping ship because of a change.

        It's sometimes difficult, especially for old-timers (I am one), to handle too much change all at once.

        Thank you Alaister for listening and taking feedback from the members.

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      • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
        Originally Posted by Chri5123 View Post

        If you dropped $3 mill on the forum would you leave it as it is?
        If it was profitable? Of course I would!
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        • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
          Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

          If it was profitable? Of course I would!
          Well there you go!

          I have purchased websites, forums for a lot less than $3 mill that WERE profitable.

          I have also made MORE than I purchased them for by tweaking, split testing and changing things up - but each to their own.

          I suppose leaving it can't hurt either.
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  • Profile picture of the author gknugurlu
    I've voted yes. It can be designed to have a new look. But without making a lot of changes in order not to be confused with the new design. It would be great if it gets a new look that will be more attractive.
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  • Profile picture of the author akash47
    I've only been here for a short time and I've gotten used to this design, but I guess a small change in the colour scheme and overall design would help with the readability.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I personally would rather see a focus of all time and resources on improving other more vital areas first and then tackle the design if desired.

    1. Many of us try to help out by doing the members are mods thing but it is VERY frustrating when it seems the door is left wide open. There has to be better ways to control the drive by spam. First x posts are pre-moderated may be an option.

    2. Those of us that try to help keep the place clean are limited in what we can do by the 60 second between reports limitation. This causes a lot of frustration that has been mentioned over the years by many people who are doing their best to help protect and help the community.

    3. There are still too many "time outs" of one sort or another with symptoms such as New posts not showing the full 20 pages and New posts link not showing any results.

    4. Some of the view filters don't work (clicking on column heads at the top of each forum). For example, try to sort by date posted, last reply, etc. and it isn't consistent.

    5. There are mods that have the ability to control the view of a post (whatever happens on the back end and final approvals for banning or deleting I don't know).

    There are many posts that are questionable as to whether they should have some sort of action taken. For example, if someone is being a jerk, that is something that may need judgment as to how serious it is and whether it should be deleted, the user warned, etc.

    But there are many, many, many posts that there is absolutely no question as to whether they need to be deleted. They don't need to be reviewed by a senior moderator or go through any process whatsoever. I'm talking about the drive by spam that is 100% clearly spam. Is there some way that certain people can delete those without going through a "process" which is a waste of time and resources but without giving them broader moderation powers?

    6. RSS feeds.

    7. Mobile friendly.

    My vote is to get some of these types of longstanding issues handled first.

    Mark
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      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post


      My vote is to get some of these types of longstanding issues handled first.
      Agreed there Mark.
      And none more so than turning the main discussion area back to a discussion area,
      not a place to post endless lectures.
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  • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
    No. The design is instantly recognisable as the Warrior Forum. Don't break it!
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  • Profile picture of the author ADVERTHEORY
    this is how people presell their ideas to their target market. throw a general proposal out to the crowd, and rely on the feedback to refine the product before going live with it. freelancer is doing it here, and they are doing it with the AMA emulation with webinars

    freelancer's goal is to increase profits, they are a public company, and increased revenue and lifetime customer value to their shareholders can be increased in many ways. As long as they don't disrupt too much

    In this thread their representative has already hinted at a few.


    just a couple thoughts

    re-design of the forum: there could be many reasons behind this, but remember profits & increased revenue is their bottom line. right now there are third parties profiting from the transactions taking place here and in the WSO section. Recently the other major internet marketing forum had switched to another forum platform with better features than vbulletin. one which integrates a marketplace, better customization options and could eliminate the need for certain third party services, (jvzoo, warriorplus, etc.) that would look good for their revenue and retain those leads. who knows, that alone could probably recoup their cost for buying the WF within the first year.




    I'm not saying this is necessarily bad, we need to stop and think about the reasoning behind these proposed decisions.

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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    Design:

    I would love to see a change to the bright red header strip over each post. It is hard on the eyes and very tiring seeing that bright dark red over and over especially if you are scrolling to find a post. A soft pastel header or no header at all would be my choice.

    I would love to see some additional restrictions on the amount of "real estate" used and the design elements of signature links. Some are just over the top trying to get our attention. Some are not signature links but are almost mini sales pages with the amount of text and lines they take up.

    Site Format:

    I think it would make sense to have separate forums for PPC and SEO. I use both in my marketing but when I want to research I would prefer going to a more focused section. There are warriors that are very passionate, experienced and skilled in one but not the other. In many ways PPC and SEO are completely different worlds when it comes to marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
      Originally Posted by Alaister View Post


      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Alaister,

      Change is hard to swallow for a lot of people. As my Granddad used to say: "I've seen a lot of good changes in my life, and I was against every one of them!"

      Here's a suggestion.

      Maybe the way to address change is by taking one small step at a time. Implement it, test it, and track results. If it works and members generally see it as a good thing, then leave the change in place and move to the next little change. If it doesn't work folks will let you know and you can always go back to the way things were previously.

      We all know the story of the frog in the pot of water on the stove. We don't want everyone jumping ship because of a change.

      It's sometimes difficult, especially for old-timers (I am one), to handle too much change all at once.

      Thank you Alaister for listening and taking feedback from the members.

      Steve

      Came for the drama....stayed for the awesome quotes.

      And Steve...I never heard the story about the frog so I looked it up. I'm glad I did....it's a good one. I always look forward to your insightful posts.

      As for the forum. Go for it! I'm pretty sure the branding will be kept in place to a certain extent.

      You should also consider migrating to more robust forum solution such as Xenforo. They're doing some great work over there (despite getting sued by VBulletin and settling).
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Can't find anything meaningful to change?

      If I already had ~$3 million wrapped up in the purchase, I would be looking for changes that would increase revenue and/or profitability.

      The cosmetics of the Warrior Forum have not (as far as I can tell) had any adverse impact on the site's ability to attract visitors and/or members. Wouldn't it be more logical (this soon after the purchase) to be focusing on more meaningful issues?

      edit - I voted "No", by the way.
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      • Profile picture of the author glennshep
        Originally Posted by Alast View Post

        I couldn't disagree more. Just because something isn't broken necessarily, doesn't mean it can't be improved. What would happen if Facebook were to stick with its design in 2005? People would find it dated and look elsewhere, despite the functionality aspects working the same.
        Yes, you're absolutely right. However, it still comes back to is it change for change's sake or is it change because there is a need? I've never seen any hint of any thoughts about a redesign before, but now after a buyout it appears to be one of the first things on the agenda? So far as I'm aware the forum design hasn't been an issue before, so why now all of a sudden? Would a redesign actually serve any real purpose and be for the good of the forum, or would it simply be because someone has decided that they might want to do it because they think it will look 'nicer'?

        Facebook is a social media platform and, although a forum is a social place, the two things are very different and have different purposes. When it comes to how Facebook looks some may say that it's more visually appealing now, but when it comes to some of the inherent design and functionality changes there is backlash in response to some of them that has been going on for years. The same with YouTube. Now, whether the changes are good or bad and should or shouldn't have been done is a debate in itself. But the principle here on the forum is the same - it works perfectly well as it is. It looks fine. Would a redesign actually be an improvement, or would it just throw up an unnecessary and avoidable amount of confusion, frustration and disappointment?

        When it comes to the skin, in the grand scheme of things I don't see that it matters too much. So long as it's not garish I really don't think people will care too much. The thing of main importance on the forum is that things work. If a redesign would mean an overhaul, chopping and changing things and messing around with an existing structure that works, then I think it's a bad idea.

        Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

        Real Warriors know when to change and when to leave well enough alone. Real warriors never talk in absolutes (is change ALWAYS good?)
        Yes indeedy. Even though I'm not in favour of a redesign, I'd apply this principle and say that, equally, change isn't always bad either. Could a redesign work well for the forum? Yes, of course it could. Could a redesign improve things? Yes it could. But is a redesign needed? No, I don't believe so. Even if a redesign was something that the general forum population was in favour of, I think that there are far more pressing concerns and that this idea should be waaaay down on the list of priorities.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Can't find anything meaningful to change?

        If I already had ~$3 million wrapped up in the purchase, I would be looking for changes that would increase revenue and/or profitability.
        Dammit, Sid, stop making sense!

        Actually, a design that allowed them to display more advertising would be a meaningful change in this context. And, if it's done right, could improve the user experience.

        For example, putting a separate column on the right side of the screen that included navigation, featured posts or WSOs, and paid space ads would have the extra benefit of shortening line lengths in the posts themselves. That would make the posts easier to read.

        More ad revenue, easier reading, more advertising opportunities for the members, and potential benefits for everyone from all those folks who come in from the search engines and don't join as members.

        I think it could go over well if it balanced benefits to the members with additional ad space. For example, a featured or recommended post option could appeal to a lot of people, and wouldn't take up a lot of room. I can see folks competing to write something good enough to get that recognition. Add links to the more popular sections of the forum, and it's a nav bar with ads.

        Not that I think that's necessarily the way to go (I don't), but I wouldn't mind it. I can see benefits for everyone in that, and it's a good example of how a redesign might fit into the goal you stated they should pursue.

        That's a "hard" change. If it weren't balanced just right, it could cost a lot in the beginning in terms of established member issues.

        A much simpler one would be to add a banner spot at the bottom of the page. Cut the price to $75 a day, and double the amount of spots available for sale. Test to see which spot gets the most clicks and adjust the pricing as appropriate later.

        Or put space for 2 or 3 standard sized banners across the bottom. Not much of a change in appearance or usage, but a lot of potential revenue.

        Here's another "soft" change with potential. Lose that "Posting Rules" box at the bottom of every thread. In the same space (but across the full width), put an area much like you see at the bottom of many blogs. All sorts of possibilities there, and it would have nearly zero impact on the use of the forum itself.

        The thing I think is a potential hazard is the tendency to do things abruptly, rather than by degrees. Once they get the server delays and spam issues solved, that buys them good will that can easily be translated into welcoming those soft changes, which mean "mo money" and less potential for pushback.

        I've seen lots of good sites sunk by too many good ideas too fast. To the members it felt like someone coming into the neighborhood with bulldozers and saying "We're going to build you high-rise condos instead!"

        Not seeing that here, but it would be an easy trap to fall into.


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        • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Dammit, Sid, stop making sense!

          Actually, a design that allowed them to display more advertising would be a meaningful change in this context. And, if it's done right, could improve the user experience.

          For example, putting a separate column on the right side of the screen that included navigation, featured posts or WSOs, and paid space ads would have the extra benefit of shortening line lengths in the posts themselves. That would make the posts easier to read.

          More ad revenue, easier reading, more advertising opportunities for the members, and potential benefits for everyone from all those folks who come in from the search engines and don't join as members.

          I think it could go over well if it balanced benefits to the members with additional ad space. For example, a featured or recommended post option could appeal to a lot of people, and wouldn't take up a lot of room. I can see folks competing to write something good enough to get that recognition. Add links to the more popular sections of the forum, and it's a nav bar with ads.

          Not that I think that's necessarily the way to go (I don't), but I wouldn't mind it. I can see benefits for everyone in that, and it's a good example of how a redesign might fit into the goal you stated they should pursue.

          That's a "hard" change. If it weren't balanced just right, it could cost a lot in the beginning in terms of established member issues.

          A much simpler one would be to add a banner spot at the bottom of the page. Cut the price to $75 a day, and double the amount of spots available for sale. Test to see which spot gets the most clicks and adjust the pricing as appropriate later.

          Or put space for 2 or 3 standard sized banners across the bottom. Not much of a change in appearance or usage, but a lot of potential revenue.

          Here's another "soft" change with potential. Lose that "Posting Rules" box at the bottom of every thread. In the same space (but across the full width), put an area much like you see at the bottom of many blogs. All sorts of possibilities there, and it would have nearly zero impact on the use of the forum itself.

          The thing I think is a potential hazard is the tendency to do things abruptly, rather than by degrees. Once they get the server delays and spam issues solved, that buys them good will that can easily be translated into welcoming those soft changes, which mean "mo money" and less potential for pushback.

          I've seen lots of good sites sunk by too many good ideas too fast. To the members it felt like someone coming into the neighborhood with bulldozers and saying "We're going to build you high-rise condos instead!"

          Not seeing that here, but it would be an easy trap to fall into.


          Paul
          All good suggestions. Especially the "right hand column" suggestion. And the idea to implement changes "slowly" is very important for the very same reasons. Again, all good suggestions, not limited to what I consider to be the best suggestions. The post reflects that Paul has his finger on not just the pulse of the forum, but he also has his finger on the pulse of the market.

          Home page. Create a home page and link to the main forum. Again, the "right hand column" suggestion is a change I consider important.However, if I may make a suggestion about it please. In my experience it would be beneficial to place it on the home page only. At least in the beginning.

          After some testing & feedback with positive results it could also be placed in different forums. Forums that come to mind are special interest forums where the board rules are significantly different compared to other forums. One suggestion for the "right hand column" would be to include "announcements".

          One last major suggestion is to make sure that all of the forums are displayed on the same page.. as they are now. Advertising suggestion is to "never" place an ad between forum topics. Personally, one at the top of the page or directly under the main navigation bar is not distracting at all. Pretty much the way it is now. However, the bottom of the board could have two to three, no more than three, placed in the right spots.

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          • Profile picture of the author dougp
            I voted for a re-design. The if it aint broke don't fix it is archaic. If that's the case there would be far less advances in technology and civilization. The warrior forum has new owners so i think a new look is due. If possible, i think warriors should see a couple variations of the new template and vote on which one they like the best.
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    • Profile picture of the author fosu
      I vote simply No, for many reason

      1) Can't see what is wrong with design
      2) The load fast
      3) No trouble shouting issues

      And Yes for two reason.

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      keep it the same!
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  • Profile picture of the author banwork
    No because like several have said the design is functional and that is most important. While small changes are certainly acceptable, a large change would almost certainly be bad. Has Google ever changed the layout of their page?
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    Would you guys like to see a redesign of Warrior Forum?
    Yes; I've seen the forum go through several redesigns since that late 1990s before I had a registered account under my name and each time there were people who didn't like it and those who did. Ultimately, I think it worked out for the better.

    I think a redesign is a good idea, especially if the functionality will be kept. It would be cool, of course, if we could view it first and get a sneak peak on what it will look like and even vote on it.

    When it comes to forums, I think a little change can be a good thing (when it comes to design).

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    • Profile picture of the author datingworld
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      I think a redesign is a good idea, especially if the functionality will be kept. It would be cool, of course, if we could view it first and get a sneak peak on what it will look like and even vote on it.

      RoD
      This is exactly what I wanted to say.
      There is nothing wrong in redesigning the forum.

      What I would like to see is to
      -keep all the exisiting functionalities
      -New functionalities can be added as well
      -Let warriors have a view of the new look and see if they like the new design or not. If majority of them like the new design, lets go with the new design then.

      I am looking forward to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    How about adding "improve current design" to the poll?

    Have to admit, I'm on the fence right now but I'm leaning towards improving the functionality of the current design.

    Mark Singletary post had all valid points that I hope are considered, as did many other posts.

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  • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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    YES to a much more contemporary design. This one is looking very dated. But a bigger priority to my mind would be to clean out the absolute scammers and rubbish offers in the WSO section. I mean, seriously, this place is just a haven for every scammer on the planet. And it seems to have got progressively worse.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    I sense the decision has already been made. I think it's probably a good thing. If I get a vote it would be for a light blue theme.
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  • Profile picture of the author midolyon
    We must not fear change, i'm in favour of changing the design but only if it is not going to affect the navigation on the forum. For now, although it's not that beautiful design but it is very simple and readable for the warriors.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    I voted no. Not that I think it's a bad idea, but because spam is a pretty big issue and better moderation should be the initial focus IMO. A redesign though is a pretty ballsy move. Going from something that is proven, to something untested is always scary. I think if you keep it simple, focus on load times and user experience than you can't go wrong. I'd keep the same overall look I think but I'm sure there are a lot of things that could be improved.

    I'm not sure how you would test it though. Maybe display one version for "guests" to track time on site, bounce, and registrations vs. this design. You can't reliably test it with current members as an additional setting since that would probably skew the numbers.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    Leave the design until you have streamlined the infrastructure.

    Make the forum faster, improve usability and functionality and then
    you can make the design suit the upgraded and streamlined site.

    Changing the design first would be counter-productive.

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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver13
    Yes and no. At the same time
    It depends on the new design, it would be better if you showed us the new design so we can vote "yes or no".
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    This place looks old, dated, and mean.

    Pastel colors would make things much more inviting.

    If you're into spamming, writing endless self-promotional posts, or running scams, it would be much easier on the eyes for extended periods of time.

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  • Profile picture of the author ErinWalsh
    I think it could be made more aesthetically pleasing, but like others I feel you need to be careful to keep functionality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mrnace
    I like it as it is. its simple and easy to use.

    But there is nothing wrong with wanting to improve aesthetics as long as the UI is easy to use.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      I'm not married to either option, but I think it will be important to keep in mind the distinction between design and identity.

      If you're looking to make things cleaner, or even adaptive, that may be a good plan with relatively little backlash. If you stray too far from the red and black, though, you're going to emphasize the change of ownership by creating a new identity for the forum.

      That may be the intent. It often is with such things. The potential downside is that it could have the effect of magnifying any possible negative feelings some folks may have about other changes.

      No matter what you do, some people won't like it.

      The consistent identity is more of a factor for the longer-term members. If you're planning on driving a lot of new members to the site, the old-timers might not be as high a priority for you as retaining new blood.

      I expect there'll be more ad space in any new design, too. There ought to be, at any rate.

      I know you've thought of all this. I mention it mostly for the benefit of those who might not have.


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      • Profile picture of the author mbacak
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        I expect there'll be more ad space in any new design, too. There ought to be, at any rate.
        I agree with Paul, however try to keep
        that way from the WSO area because it
        won't make WSO posters happy.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Matt,
          I agree with Paul, however try to keep that way from the WSO area because it won't make WSO posters happy.
          That's true. On the flip side, it may be tricky, since vBulletin uses the same "skin" for every section of the forum.

          I'm not sure how hard it would be to keep the usernames and stats and still skin a separate section differently. I'm also not sure how much actual impact it would have on affiliate traffic. Pretty sure the folks relying on browser traffic wouldn't be thrilled, though.


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          • Profile picture of the author mbacak
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Matt,That's true. On the flip side, it may be tricky, since vBulletin uses the same "skin" for every section of the forum.
            Makes sense. It's a good thought to keep in
            mind when or if there is a redesign. Although,
            that would really be a overhaul then I guess.

            (Not directed to you Paul - above)

            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            I'm also not sure how much actual impact it would have on affiliate traffic. Pretty sure the folks relying on browser traffic wouldn't be thrilled, though.
            Here's my thought how and why...

            A decrease in conversion rates = a decrease
            in traffic from affiliates and a decrease in conversion
            rates equals a decrease in interest from affiliates.

            Plus, affiliate's want to direct their traffic to a
            specific offer or person they trust not just anyone
            and not lose that traffic to something else.
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  • Profile picture of the author mbacak
    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    Would you guys like to see a redesign of Warrior Forum?
    That's a great question, why not look at the internal web
    stats and let that help guide the changes if you guys choose
    to do that. However, one change that has been made sucks
    for vendors selling stuff in the WSO area is that popup header
    or whatever you call it that says "register now".

    Because it makes no sense in the WSO section in regards to vendors
    that pay to post and recruit affiliates to promote that post since it takes
    the visitor away from the WSO being offered.

    It will cause people to host their offers off the forum and create
    a long term effect of new people discovering the warrior forum since
    many vendors and affiliates are driving outside traffic to it.
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  • Profile picture of the author TelZilla
    I voted no because the question was not specific enough. Would I like to see certain things redesigned? Hell yes. What about a complete redesign? No.

    I start seeing pastels... and I'm starting my own forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nail Yener
    I voted no because I like the current design and I don't think the forum needs a redesign. If you decide to do a redesign, it would be nice if you ask our opinion about it before making the change.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I voted no BUT I think some aspects could be fixed or altered. For example, I think that a membership fee should be charged...a low one. It was $10 at one point. Even a dollar would help keep out the spammers. Not sure what else but that is definitely one. I know it frustrates me and others.

    Also reduce the length of time between reporting spam posts. 60 seconds actually makes you not want to bother after the first one.
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    • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
      I voted No originally for the following reasons. I prefer the spam to be contained first. I also wish it was easier to report and see the spam messages removed in quicker.

      The other is new posters be restricted some how from posting links in their first few posts. To many are using links in signatures or in a thread to self promote. Once 3-4 posts are up they start self promoting. If it was higher they may not bother to join.


      A few small tweaks I can deal with. If something radical happens I would be against it.

      I would not like to see any of the following so called improvements.

      I view a forum that has switched to the stupid thumbs up and down. It will chase posters away. It is abused heavily on the forum because people do not like certain member and they get their buddies to game it .

      Second I don't want to see it change like Word Press has recently. It was very functional in a earlier version about a year and hald ago. Now to post pictures takes longer because of extra steps to create a gallery.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    I voted "Yes", but what I really mean is just an upgrade of the current design.

    I think the style of the Warrior Forum is already great and many people are familiar and comfortable with it.

    However an upgrade would be great to bring it up to speed for the current time.

    * Responsiveness - it would be great if the code of the forum were updated to make the layout fit tablets and phones.

    Using the forum would be a lot easier if that happened.

    * Update for wide screens - the background image of the site is only 1680px wide so there are white bars down the left and right side of many monitors.

    This would be an easy fix by changing the bg color of the site to match the bg image.


    A few little upgrades like this would do wonders, and I think are all the forum really needs.
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    Would you guys like to see a redesign of Warrior Forum?
    Hi Alaister,

    I am so glad you asked first the opinions of the members with respect to redesigning the WarriorForum.

    At this point, I really can't have a fix answer. However, I would like to see the planned initial layout including its look and feel (image format) as soon as it is available. Maybe that way I can make a choice.

    I must say, I am used to the current WarriorForum platform, but of course, change is the only constant. We need to embrace it as long as it is a change for the betterment or at least a headway.

    I commend you for all of your great plans.

    More power to you and to all members.

    Sincerely,
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by magiclouie View Post

      Hi Alaister,
      I am so glad you asked first the opinions of the members with respect to redesigning the WarriorForum.
      Thanks Louie. Yeh I want to make sure I hear what you guys like and don't like.

      A lot of you guys have also spoken about upgrading Vbulletin to the latest version. This is something we're looking at also. We want to make sure this doesn't change any of the functionality for you guys.

      I might get design team to create a bit of a mock up and show it hear to get everyones' thoughts and feedback.

      In terms of actually implementing a new design/refresh we'll have to see what's involved.
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      • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        Thanks Louie. Yeh I want to make sure I hear what you guys like and don't like.

        A lot of you guys have also spoken about upgrading Vbulletin to the latest version. This is something we're looking at also. We want to make sure this doesn't change any of the functionality for you guys.

        I might get design team to create a bit of a mock up and show it hear to get everyones' thoughts and feedback.

        In terms of actually implementing a new design/refresh we'll have to see what's involved.
        Way to go, Alaister.

        I can't wait to see the mock up.

        Sometimes, I think we need to keep abreast with emerging technologies.

        I know you are taking this whole thing one step at a time.

        Sincerely,
        Louie Tugas
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  • Profile picture of the author Super Affiliate
    If it ain't broke, why fix it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Gilbert
    I think the forum is fine as is from a design point of view. Please don't change it.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    I don't care either way about the design changing, but let me ask you this:

    If more people vote "no", will the design still be changed?

    I'm just wondering if this is a poll to find out people's opinion or to gauge the backlash that a change like that would have.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    I vote YES. I adore keeping nostalgia, mind you, I still use ksh to create my upsells, I still manually tweak any code I get my fingers on instead of asking someone to do it for me but......

    vBulletin allows for some pretty nifty cool mods that would probably enhance long-term the appeal of the forum.

    For example, I noticed that Freelancer.com uses gamification to entice interactions. I think that would appeal to a lot of folk here. Not me, mind you, the last time I played a game was back during the Renaissance, but yep.... it's a point to consider.

    Start at the end. What would you like to see MORE of at the WF?

    Then ask, okay, how will a site redesign enable that?

    Also, consider adding more personalized forums.

    Check out how

    3 Fat Chicks on a Diet Weight Loss Community - Powered by vBulletin

    designed their weight loss forum. It's vbulletin and has been around since before 2000, I believe:

    Internet Archive Wayback Machine

    It includes:

    Success Stories

    Journals

    Support groups

    along with the typical subforums such an evergreen niche has.

    Does any other marketing forum online have a Success Stories or a Journal? I know there's blogs but that's a bit different.

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  • Profile picture of the author SteveSki
    If it's not broken, don't fix it.

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    • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
      Originally Posted by SteveSki View Post

      If it's not broken, don't fix it.


      Yes, if it's not broken, don't fix it, but maybe we can upgrade or enhance it. Yeah, it's a case to case basis also.
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  • Profile picture of the author orbetting
    Hi All,

    I voted no - mainly because i have just discovered the chrome plugin and Love the forum in this format!
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      Really the only design changes would be the color and the logo, so why not just tell us what you have in mind. I really do not think the poll matters one bit, They are going to change the forum no matter what we say or want.

      I am with everyone about the spam posts. Personally I think you should have to have 50 posts before youc an have a signature, post links, send or receive PM's. Once you reach the 50 posts then your account goes to a moderator who will go through your posts and delete all the crap posts that say things like, "I agree" "Smart post" etc, etc then they can say "Sorry, your post count has bee reduced to 3, Please keep posting.

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  • Profile picture of the author amcg
    Mobile friendly, and easy to read. That would be my two cents - something I believe is fundamental regardless of software/design choices.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    I voted NO!

    This forum is based on the classic, timeless, well known and comfortable vBulletin version 3.8. vBulletin has since gone to version 5 and all versions after this version (v3.8) have been a disaster with members leaving on mass.

    There's a reason why many massive and extremely popular forums have remained on version 3.8. It works exceptionally well, we all know exactly how to use it and there's nothing wrong with a warm familiar home. This isn't a new sales website that needs to be cutting edge. It's a community and it's main focus in the members. The design has become invisible to me and most. I see no reason to change but there are areas that could be improved.

    This version of the famous robust and ever popular vBulletin is the BEST and has spawned hundreds and/or of thousands of successful, brilliant communities. Please don't move away from vBulletin 3.8. Please continue to think of ways to refine it. But just because there's a better house I could move into doesn't mean I don't love or there's anything wrong with the old house.

    Honestly, I think this forum (design) is perfect and will be for many many years to come - just the way it is. It's not about change or fear of change or being modern or up to date. It's about messing with people's homes. vBulletin v3.8 is the Classic Mercedes of Forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roger Mayne
    I voted no. The design of the site is not important, and we are all used to this layout now. There's no real reason to redesign the site.

    However, improving it's performance (speed) would be welcomed, but obviously with so many members online, I realise that's not always possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author megatop
    though the design is ok. i'd rather see some changes in the management. there is too much fees being collected here. i'd rather see some of them go away.
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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by megatop View Post

      though the design is ok. i'd rather see some changes in the management. there is too much fees being collected here. i'd rather see some of them go away.
      Sadly that's what all the spammers want too, besides, this is a business and businesses make money. Nothing wrong with that. As for the change of management, that's exactly what happened, the site has been sold to someone else.

      Alaister, I'm fine with it staying as it is or a re-design, so long as it's easy to use.

      What I'd really like is the spam filters to get fixed in the OT forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author bwh1
      Originally Posted by megatop View Post

      though the design is ok. i'd rather see some changes in the management. there is too much fees being collected here. i'd rather see some of them go away.
      Funny, I think the opposite.

      WF was once a paid Forum and people from that time can vote for the quality and there have been basically no spammers around.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gene Pimentel
    I would welcome a redesign, but would encourage minimal visual change. Better functionality and social connectivity would be the more important changes.

    Whether people want change or not, it is only a matter of time before it is inevitable. And vital.

    No matter how great the redesign would be, you will get massive backlash. People, for the most part are very resistant to change. You'll need to be prepared for the backlash and have a solid, well thought out plan of implementation before you actually move forward with the redesign.
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  • Profile picture of the author mathewboly
    I have given my Vote .Currently total voting status: Total Voter: 146 "NO": 91/ 62.33% on the flip side "YES": 55/ 37.67%, in this case the administrator should right decision by the number of voting. Thanks for all voter.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Copy Nazi
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      Originally Posted by mathewboly View Post

      I have given my Vote .Currently total voting status: Total Voter: 146 "NO": 91/ 62.33% on the flip side "YES": 55/ 37.67%, in this case the administrator should right decision by the number of voting. Thanks for all voter.
      And who made you the boss all of a sudden?
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    • Profile picture of the author glennshep
      A redesign? No, absolutely not. Why not? Because I don't believe that it needs it. When it comes to aesthetics there will always be a difference of opinion and, ultimately, some people will get what they want while others won't. But therein lies the key - is it a want or a need?

      I'm all for change if it's necessary, but if it's change for change's sake? Then no.

      The Warrior Forum functions perfectly well with its current design and I don't see how a redesign would benefit anyone. It would make it look nice? Bring it into the 21st century? So what? In a place like this, function over fashion is of far more importance.

      All that said, I'm perfectly in favour of adjustments and refinements. I think the forum could perhaps benefit from being a little streamlined in some areas or from a few minor adjustments. But those type of things can be done perfectly well without a redesign.

      To echo what has already been said more than once: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. So if there are certain areas that could do with being fixed then yes, by all means fix them. But to redesign something that works perfectly well in itself and is familiar to thousands of daily users, nope.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alast
        Originally Posted by glennshep View Post

        To echo what has already been said more than once: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. So if there are certain areas that could do with being fixed then yes, by all means fix them. But to redesign something that works perfectly well in itself and is familiar to thousands of daily users, nope.
        I couldn't disagree more. Just because something isn't broken necessarily, doesn't mean it can't be improved. What would happen if Facebook were to stick with its design in 2005? People would find it dated and look elsewhere, despite the functionality aspects working the same.

        That being said - there ARE more important issues RIGHT NOW that could be focused on before the design as design is for the most part, less important than functionality.

        However, I am fine with a design modification in the near future.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
          I have to pull back a bit. I have no problem with a re-design as I said before.

          But I think John Taylor and others are right. Visiting the WF this morning - again - delays, slow loading, time-outs.

          We need to fix the potholes before we paint a pretty line on the road.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slab
    Change the darn thing... Can't frekking believe this...
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      Originally Posted by Slab View Post

      Change the darn thing... Can't frekking believe this...
      Believe what?? That people are participating in the forum

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  • Profile picture of the author spearce000
    Depends. Might be a better idea to do a preview and let people vote on whether they like it or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author NK
    I think showing some preview or mockup would be a great idea, if there's any. Sometimes we don't whether we actually like or hate something until we've seen it with our own eyes
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  • Profile picture of the author Clixess
    As a relatively new member I would love to see a redesign.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    Sadly it looks like the WF is not going the be the same as it was. I really hope the classic design is kept intact. Agree with points re priorities should be on server speed/reducing RTOs, spam, other infrastructure issues. NOT changing the "look and feel" which is a unique important part of the WF.

    I would be Really disappointed if the WF got changed to look like:
    https://www.freelancer.com/jobs/C-Programming/1/

    for example, and I'd likely not visit nearly as often. The WF is important and great AS IT IS. New owners please don't muck it up. It's sad to see if it gets all changed and screwed up.

    The only changes I personally would welcome would be improved siteload speed, spam filtering and organization of sub-forums. Changing it to a corporate drone site and adding a bunch of ads would totally wreck this place. I fear the end is near. I hope I'm wrong, though I never have been before. Buyouts usually spell "the death of what made the site special". Here it's the warriors, that makes it special, so hopefully the community can survive the new owner buyout changes intact. "you will be assimilated" -borg would be epic fail.
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    • Profile picture of the author JennySweets
      Originally Posted by kencalhn View Post


      I would be Really disappointed if the WF got changed to look like:
      https://www.freelancer.com/jobs/C-Programming/1/
      That's EXACTLY the kind of change I would hate to see. It would Ruin WF. I'm really tired of seeing so many copycats jumping on that sort of visual layout bandwagon. It works in some areas, it's a fail in others, and it would be a fail here.

      Originally Posted by flyingdutch View Post

      What if we would rephrase the question like : Would you like the WF : make better, faster, more 2014-like, more Web 2.0 like?

      Answer will be different I think.
      Personally, that "More Web 2.0 like" would Solidify my answer of "NO". I'm not looking for a flashy website when I come here. I'm looking for content, services, jobs, discussion, POSTINGS - in short, a Forum as befits the name "Warrior Forum".
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    They are a community of people who have common interests and I don't recall any conversations showing an interest in forum design previously, other than to add Tap a Talk capabilities for those who want to view it and respond via mobile.
    RBBM

    This thread began a few days after this thread I have a suggestion, posted by a new member with 3 posts.

    Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by waterotter View Post

      RBBM

      This thread began a few days after this thread I have a suggestion, posted by a new member with 3 posts.

      Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

      Yeah. Signed up in April 2014. Has 3 posts and has a burning desire for a re-design. Yep. That's significant.
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      • Profile picture of the author waterotter
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Yeah. Signed up in April 2014. Has 3 posts and has a burning desire for a re-design. Yep. That's significant.
        Which begs the question....does new owner want to make these changes to attract new members?
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    Don't worry about changing the design. Don't worry about adding new forum sections that no one asked for. Spend your time and effort into improving the reliability of the forum. It must have been down 15 times last month alone. You know I use to spend over $1000 a month on WSO bumps and several hundred more on banner ads but I dont do it anymore because of all the down time on the Warrior Forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author DJL
      I voted NO on the redesign question.
      I see nothing wrong with the appearance of the forum.
      Its functionality, however, could definitely be improved:
      • Improve response time, i.e., page load speed
      • Eliminate timeouts
      • Fix the SEARCH function.
        For example, when I log in after an interval of 14 hours, and the
        "New Posts" link returns zero results, it's not working correctly.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        A word of caution...

        Most of the members here are solopreneurs, run small companies, operate as loose groups of people working together, or are looking for ways to escape the corporate world.

        If you try to make this place look too "corporate," you'll sink it. Fast.

        At best, you'd remove the comfortable "at home" feeling your core audience appreciates. Those folks would just drift away. That includes a very big chunk of the more active posters. At worst, you'd end up alienating a chunk of them who actively dislike and distrust anything that smacks of "Big Corp" thinking.

        That's a huge pothole you don't want to run into.


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        • Profile picture of the author Alaister
          Thanks for everyone's feedback. We don't want to make it too corporate or anything. We'll come up with some initial mockups and then send them around here to get your feedback and see what you guys think.

          Improving response time and reducing spam are still main priorities which our team is working on. It has been slower lately with the work we're doing. We should see improvements very shortly. Thanks for everyone's patience on this. I know it is very frustrating and disheartening.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            It has been slower lately with the work we're doing.
            If that was the cause of the problems today (which had some very odd symptoms), it will have been worth the hassles when the changes kick in.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            ...We'll come up with some initial mockups and then send them around here to get your feedback and see what you guys think.

            ...
            Alistair, that sounds a lot like you're proceeding with the redesign anyway. I hope it's very mild if at all.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alaister
              Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

              Alistair, that sounds a lot like you're proceeding with the redesign anyway. I hope it's very mild if at all.
              We haven't decided to proceed. I understand everyone's concerns and want to make sure you guys are involved with the changes. What I want to do is show you guys some ideas and see if you guys like it when you see it. If not that's fine and we can look at other things.
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              • Profile picture of the author NK
                Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

                We haven't decided to proceed. I understand everyone's concerns and want to make sure you guys are involved with the changes. What I want to do is show you guys some ideas and see if you guys like it when you see it. If not that's fine and we can look at other things.
                Would definitely love to take a look at these ideas. Are they already being worked on, or still in the planning stages?

                Edit: Nvm, just saw the post where you said you'll be coming up with a mockup.
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          • Profile picture of the author tj
            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            Thanks for everyone's feedback. We don't want to make it too corporate or anything. We'll come up with some initial mockups and then send them around here to get your feedback and see what you guys think.
            Don't change a running system (design wise) - or you will burn the money of the people that bought the WF. Improve stability of the forum and the server instead.

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        • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          A word of caution...

          Most of the members here are solopreneurs, run small companies, operate as loose groups of people working together, or are looking for ways to escape the corporate world.

          If you try to make this place look too "corporate," you'll sink it. Fast.

          At best, you'd remove the comfortable "at home" feeling your core audience appreciates. Those folks would just drift away. That includes a very big chunk of the more active posters. At worst, you'd end up alienating a chunk of them who actively dislike and distrust anything that smacks of "Big Corp" thinking.

          That's a huge pothole you don't want to run into.


          Paul

          +1000 listen to Paul . He knows the WF and it's members better than anyone, and he's remarkably wise and correct in what he says; has been for years. Please listen carefully.
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        • Profile picture of the author mbacak
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          A word of caution...

          Most of the members here are solopreneurs, run small companies, operate as loose groups of people working together, or are looking for ways to escape the corporate world.

          If you try to make this place look too "corporate," you'll sink it. Fast.

          At best, you'd remove the comfortable "at home" feeling your core audience appreciates. Those folks would just drift away. That includes a very big chunk of the more active posters. At worst, you'd end up alienating a chunk of them who actively dislike and distrust anything that smacks of "Big Corp" thinking.

          That's a huge pothole you don't want to run into.


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          This is by far, the best thought, comment,
          suggestion or advice in this whole thread!

          1. It shouldn't be overlooked.
          2. He definitely knows the market.
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          are both still around but because someone bought
          them and didn't get or take this advice above...

          ...fast-forward to today they lost all their base
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    We haven't decided to proceed. I understand everyone's concerns and want to make sure you guys are involved with the changes. What I want to do is show you guys some ideas and see if you guys like it when you see it. If not that's fine and we can look at other things.
    Cool because we're very protective about our little forum - as you can see.
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  • Profile picture of the author dee4d
    Change is good, and with the new merger, a new look would give the new outlook. Real warriors don't fear change! They embrace it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
      Originally Posted by dee4d View Post

      ...Real warriors don't fear change! They embrace it.
      What?

      Real Warriors know when to change and when to leave well enough alone. Is change ALWAYS good?
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      • Profile picture of the author chickenfillet
        I voted no.

        I think WarriorForums's success was partly thanks to this forum's design. People (including myself) have become glued to the current design, and everyone is used to it.

        There is a saying that goes something like "If it aint broken, don't fix it!"

        Seriously, don't change the forum's design, what's the point? I love the way it looks. It looks like a forum, not like XenForo, that looks like a blog commenting platform.
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        • Profile picture of the author NK
          Originally Posted by chickenfillet View Post

          There is a saying that goes something like "If it aint broken, don't fix it!"
          There's also another saying - people don't know what they want

          I'm attached to the current design, but I'm also looking forward to seeing what else they can come up with. I'll be happy as long as they keep the overall theme so warriors who aren't here right now won't be in for a rude shock when they return. But then again, maybe I don't know what I want, too!
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      • Profile picture of the author brutecky
        Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

        Real warriors never talk in absolutes (is change ALWAYS good?) and real warriors
        Yea only the Sith deal in absolutes! Step away from the dark side.
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  • Profile picture of the author KhirRahman
    Just give 2 options.

    1. If we want to stay, then we use the same design (with improved functionality).

    2. If we decide to change, then we change. and you can also can include the 'back to previous design' option if we want to go back to the original design. Sometime people need to test new design/layout/functionality before we can decide.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wademcm
    Sometimes you need to be able to go to forum that is simply functional and easy to use. It may not look the best but I love the usability. I say leave it
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    • Profile picture of the author barbling
      Originally Posted by Wademcm View Post

      Sometimes you need to be able to go to forum that is simply functional and easy to use. It may not look the best but I love the usability. I say leave it
      This might be an instance of comparing the entire apple industry with one apple......

      But if I recall correctly, when FB changed how their newsfeed operated years ago, lots and lots and lots of people jumped on the Abandon Ship! Bring Back The Old! etc.etc.etc.etc.

      And look where FB is now.

      I think Paul brings up an excellent point of NOT smacking of Corporate World. Totally agree with that. That would NOT be in tune with the overall community goals.

      I do think that evolving certainly should be considered.

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  • Profile picture of the author BellaGeen
    Graphical design - yes, but please please please don't change the functionality!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Kempe
    Ok here is a suggestion:

    Create the new design and have users "opt in". Have the ability to switch between the old and new forum designs
    Once majority of the userbase likes and has "opted in" to the new look and layout, decommission the old layout.

    any thoughts on this?
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    • Profile picture of the author tj
      Originally Posted by Ryan Kempe View Post

      Ok here is a suggestion:

      Create the new design and have users "opt in". Have the ability to switch between the old and new forum designs
      Once majority of the userbase likes and has "opted in" to the new look and layout, decommission the old layout. any thoughts on this?
      Synchronizing both version for the time being would be a pain ... .

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    • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi
      Originally Posted by Ryan Kempe View Post

      Ok here is a suggestion:

      Create the new design and have users "opt in". Have the ability to switch between the old and new forum designs
      Once majority of the userbase likes and has "opted in" to the new look and layout, decommission the old layout.

      any thoughts on this?
      Awesome idea, this would go down quite well for most members I would say! why would anyone object? excellent.
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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
    I can totally understand wanting it to blend in and look like part of the Freelancer family of sites. But there are many festering issues plaguing the forum right now, and a redesign is not one of them... it's like putting a bandage on a wound. It looks better, but the problem is still there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    If the argument is; "we are a family so don't change anything or we will fall apart. It will ruin everything." Seriously? If we are a family the forum skin or "look and feel" is just the house.

    I have a great family and whenever we have renovated it has never made any of us want to leave. It has never changed our family dynamics in any way shape or form. Have we all loved every new paint color or choice of decorations? No. However, I am very grateful I do not still live in a house with green shag carpet, fake wood panel walls, Formica kitchen counter tops, and a velvet painting of dogs playing poker.

    Even though I would love to see a more modern and easier on the eyes while reading design it personally won't make any difference to me what WF ends up "looking" like.
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Nope. Works / looks fine as it is IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
    When I first started being a customer here I liked the dress code, upscale feeling, great atmosphere for growth and learning, occasionally people would buy me a beer :-), the owner was very knowledgeable in the same marketing field that most of us were. Lead the way to better IM.

    Change will happen but at what cost?

    Lowering the WSO prices is not a good idea imo
    I get the feeling that this place maybe know be Ok with no shoes and shorts are OK! lol

    The Warrior Forum must be very different than the other sites the owners may have. Like a good Italian Classy Restaurant vrs a fast food or grease spoon joint! I prefer and exclusive very professional forum even if it's paid!!

    Andre
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  • Profile picture of the author Hodecker
    While change can be good, I think it's important to remember why we're all here. We come here to help, learn, and exchange information. As long as we can still accomplish that, I suppose a little redecorating wouldn't hurt.
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  • Profile picture of the author flyingdutch
    Interesting. The answers here reflect what you would commonly expect from a question like "do you want to change X?". Be it in a corporate,midsize, or start-up company. By definition, people look for security. Things they know, things they master, things they are familiar with. So they don't like "change" (or maybe better, the word "change"). What if we would rephrase the question like : Would you like the WF : make better, faster, more 2014-like, more Web 2.0 like?

    Answer will be different I think. As far as I'm concerned as a relative new member : This forum (and I'm talking about layout, functionality, graphics etc.) makes me feel good. Makes me think about my younger years on internet 15 years ago. Cannot wait for a change..

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  • Profile picture of the author Shane N
    I think something more modern could definitely be cool, but I also think that the red & black theme should be kept to some extent -- even if the red color gets a bit lighter as to be easier on the eyes -- because those are the Warrior "colors" but as long as it's an easy-to-use and easy-to-navigate forum, I am open to change. And I've been around since the OLD version of the forum...

    EDIT: I'd like to add that while I am "open" to change, I also think that there might be a support nightmare if the changes are at all confusing, so it might end up doing more harm than good.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    It ain't broke. You know what they say, "if it ain't broke....."
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    • Profile picture of the author chickenfillet
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      It ain't broke. You know what they say, "if it ain't broke....."
      If it ain't broke, don't fix it!
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      It ain't broke. You know what they say, "if it ain't broke....."
      If it ain't broke, improve upon it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    A few suggestions above have given me pause for thought.

    I think the functionality (i.e. vBulletin v3.8) should stay because we're all so used to it and it works but the theme choice (via drop down choice) is a good suggestion. Having said that, I frequent a very large automotive forum with a strict and precious membership who do not embrace change lightly (it's an old car forum). What they did there is keep the functionality untouched but made subtle but noticeable changes to the header and footer.

    Looking at the header and footer of this site I can see how you could stamp your mark on it (with a freshening or adding design elements) without affecting the functionality which was my initial concern. Give it a lick of paint (if you can improve it) but leave the way it works untouched or make it a bit better. In my opinion that would be worth considering.

    If I squint carefully I can imagine some subtle changes that would freshen up the place in the graphic elements which would signal that "something's changed but it's all very familiar". There's no need to get a new spouse, maybe a haircut and pedicure is enough to make it/them...perfect.
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    • Profile picture of the author NK
      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      There's no need to get a new spouse, maybe a haircut and pedicure is enough to make it/them...perfect.
      I think many would agree with this. A little change here and there could definitely improve the overall look and feel, yet at the same time it's still the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dukulal
    Please improve the search function. It's very hard to get the relevant thread with your search function. I think googling shows better results and relevant thread of warrior forum than the forum search functions itself.
    Thanks
    And one more suggestion, I am getting a lot of time out server response now a days.please try to improve on that.
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  • Profile picture of the author christophercuna
    I think it's good enough. But I'm good with anything, as long as it's similar to the current one and does not break down with all of the bullshit I have on my browser like most new sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author FingerPicker
    No, I think it is great as it is. It is the design that made me and many others sign up here :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Newbie Japan
    No, is my reply.

    Do we not already have enough changes in our life?

    Let's do what we can to reduce both spam and information overload.
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  • Profile picture of the author MackSell
    The Current one is perfect.
    No changes whatsoever needed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
    Alaister,

    The question is a little vague, what did you have in mind?

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    Would you guys like to see a redesign of Warrior Forum?
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      Perhaps a better question, what are you trying to achieve?

      A slight variation of the "begin with the end in mind" thought process.

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      Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

      Would you guys like to see a redesign of Warrior Forum?
      Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

      Alaister,

      The question is a little vague, what did you have in mind?

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  • Profile picture of the author guitarizma
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    It was not aesthetics that drew me to the forum and couple of years back (and yes it wasn't eye candy then), so I don't want it looking any different now.
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  • Profile picture of the author M3C
    If you're going to reskin it, you might consider moving to a faster , more functional forum software, VB is feeling very old nowadays.

    Xenforo is pretty slick and can handle huge usage.

    It could do with a brighter facelift perhaps, but work on the less is more approach - is my advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by M3C View Post

      If you're going to reskin it, you might consider moving to a faster , more functional forum software, VB is feeling very old nowadays.

      Xenforo is pretty slick and can handle huge usage.

      It could do with a brighter facelift perhaps, but work on the less is more approach - is my advice.
      this is actually a pretty good idea - I think Xenforo is quite good when I had the opportunity to briefly test it while doing some comparisons for a client who decided to go with a CMS instead.

      I can certainly understand a buyer of a website spending the kind of money they just did wanting to make it their own. I would want to - to a point. I think the more the members are involved in the decision process the better but it may only make matters worse and slow down progress in the eyes of the owners. I can't read their minds. None of us can.

      I'm all for a certain amount of change if the functionality is the same or better - not worse. Making it look corporate and boring and less functional will definitely turn people away if they haven't gone already. That is just my humble opinion for what it's worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidaclark
    The site is fine as it is.
    We should be working on our own marketing, not trying to figure out what some designer who has never made a brass farthing online thinks is best for us.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      I voted no but not because I fear change - I voted no because many top-notch developers don't have a clue about making a site cross-browser compatible nor do they know about accessibility -
      so if you do a re-design, I would humbly suggest that you please have your developers test the site in all browsers to make sure it functions properly in all versions of Firefox, IE, Chrome, Opera, Safari - so that all your members no matter what they are using can access the forum as it is meant to be.

      Thanks for asking for our opinions
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      • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
        Originally Posted by Karen Blundell View Post

        I voted no but not because I fear change - I voted no because many top-notch developers don't have a clue about making a site cross-browser compatible nor do they know about accessibility -
        so if you do a re-design, I would humbly suggest that you please have your developers test the site in all browsers to make sure it functions properly in all versions of Firefox, IE, Chrome, Opera, Safari - so that all your members no matter what they are using can access the forum as it is meant to be.

        Thanks for asking for our opinions
        Take a look at Freelancer.com and it should be clear that they know how to hire good frontend developers.
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

          Take a look at Freelancer.com and it should be clear that they know how to hire good frontend developers.
          hmmm, okay if you say so - but.... Freelancer.com took a long time for the site to load just now in Firefox 28.0 because it was trying to load something from Facebook first. I looked at the source code and see the culprit that is causing the bottleneck - but hey - it's not my site so I'll just keep quiet from now on.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by mojojuju View Post

          Take a look at Freelancer.com and it should be clear that they know how to hire good frontend developers.
          ... that is exactly the look that I was talking about when I mentioned blue corporate designs that are all over the Internet. It looks the same as all other blue corporate designs. Freelancer bought WF and it seems that they won't be happy until they've changed the look, feel, conversation and culture of the property they just bought. They may do that, but I imagine that they'll lose a fair amount of members in the process.

          I hate to be a naysayer with new ownership, but why do I keep getting the feeling that they won't be happy until WF doesn't even closely resemble in any way, the WF that many of us love?
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  • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
    Hmmm.

    I expect the new owners will do exactly what they want with the forum.

    New broom sweeps clean?

    but

    Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Katie Rich View Post

      Hmmm.

      I expect the new owners will do exactly what they want with the forum.

      New broom sweeps clean?

      but

      Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!
      could not have said it any better

      also I wanted to add- sometimes the shittiest-looking sites are the most functional - and easiest to use for the masses -don't forget there are people accessing this forum with older machines and older software - let's not just focus on aesthetics - it should be function and accessibility first and beauty second.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I think it's definitely great that you are asking the members before doing so.

    I hope that theme continues with all big changes. That's really important for such a community driven website.

    Does the forum need a new design? Hmm, not sure. Would a new design improve the success of the forum? I don't think so.

    I would only make changes to the design if there is a reason for it rather than just for the sake of it. I think the people who call this site home may feel a little alienated. Plus it's a brand and look that has been built up over many many years. It would be kind of like McDonalds changing the color of their arches to green.

    I think there are probably other (better) things that could be done to improve the success of the forum over just changing the look of it.

    I've actually always liked the look of this forum and it's simplicity.
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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverbee20
    Maybe change the red to a blue would be nice but I like the simple use of everything on here so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Assignmentwriter
    Yes it should be changed as we are in 2014
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    • Profile picture of the author tj
      Originally Posted by Assignmentwriter View Post

      Yes it should be changed as we are in 2014
      What does the year has to do with it?

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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Timo,
        What does the year has to do with it?
        All the kewl sites do it differently. If we want to be seen as kewl, we have to follow the crowd and do what the kewl sites do. Cuz, you know, that's what it means to be a warrior.

        What. It isn't?

        Sorry, folks. I'm having an Emily Latella moment...


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        • Profile picture of the author tj
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Timo,All the kewl sites do it differently. If we want to be seen as kewl, we have to follow the crowd and do what the kewl sites do. Cuz, you know, that's what it means to be a warrior.

          What. It isn't?

          Sorry, folks. I'm having an Emily Latella moment...


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          Yeah - it looks like. I can imagine the forum with all that girlish rounded corners and all other stuff ... guess I'm getting older

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        • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
          Originally Posted by Chris Silvey View Post

          Colors and color schemes and images can effect and set the visitors mood subconsciously. Red in itself means danger. So that's my 2 cents.
          Red is invigorating, exciting and yeah, a bit dangerous. Great for a group of marketers. But we could always look at being lulled to sleep with soft blue and cool calming greens...

          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Timo,All the kewl sites do it differently. If we want to be seen as kewl, we have to follow the crowd and do what the kewl sites do. Cuz, you know, that's what it means to be a warrior.

          What. It isn't?
          THREE Kewl's Paul? Blimey! Maybe you DO need the calming greens?
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  • Profile picture of the author gabibeowulf
    Rather than a new design, I'd like to see the site load faster and less errors. That's something that would really make a real difference.

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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Gabi,
      Rather than a new design, I'd like to see the site load faster and less errors.
      I believe that wish has been largely granted. The new set-up seems much faster, and we shouldn't see anywhere near the problems we once did with database errors.


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  • Profile picture of the author wordpressmania
    The layout of wf itself says something. It is something like a branding. I like the existing layout actually I feel comfortable with this layout. So you know I voted for no.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
      The first time I visited this site was through a WSO offer. My first impression as a buyer was the offer looked unprofessional in that a landing page didn't belong in a forum and the red and white scared the crap out of me cause it looked like a old hacker site.

      Colors and color schemes and images can effect and set the visitors mood subconsciously. Red in itself means danger. So that's my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author ADVERTHEORY
    Its nice how they ask about a redesign to get input for themselves. But didn't ask to spam their list with WF promos to those who have unsubscribed.
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    • Profile picture of the author tj
      Originally Posted by ADVERTHEORY View Post

      Its nice how they ask about a redesign to get input for themselves. But didn't ask to spam their list with WF promos to those who have unsubscribed.
      Just put filters into your email program by filtering out the subject.

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      • Profile picture of the author ADVERTHEORY
        Originally Posted by tj View Post

        Just put filters into your email program by filtering out the subject.

        Timo

        That's like telling someone who was randomly shot in the chest " you shoulda worn a bullet proof vest!"



        Been like that since day one. No subscriptions

        I also unsubscribed from previous mailings.


        Now the new owners have shown spammy intent they want to sell their new minions or members.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Originally Posted by ADVERTHEORY View Post

      Its nice how they ask about a redesign to get input for themselves. But didn't ask to spam their list with WF promos to those who have unsubscribed.
      Ya know, I could swear I saw an unsubscribe link at the bottom of that email. I bet it works, too.


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  • Profile picture of the author IM Lover
    At the risk of sounding criticising I feel that the forum will be redesigned no matter what, no matter how many Warriors say no to the idea, I just get the feeling this forum will be given a shake down. I could be wrong here and forgive me if I am, but, this is just the gut feeling I have right now. I voted yes so it's not an issue for me as sometimes change can be good, however I would make one suggestion to you Alaister, don't push to hard because everyone may jump.

    Just my two cents!
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  • Profile picture of the author bwh1
    I just changed the position of my sofa and my living room looks suddenly bigger, different.

    But it was just a reassembling, not need to call a carpenter.

    So I voted for NO because the WF is OK as it is now design wise, what doesn't mean that you can't make some minor changes in colors, or changing some areas and improving it.

    No priority IMO so baby steps will do it.

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  • Profile picture of the author zezzoic
    Definitely. if there's still room for improvement then why not. Even if its for the better, adjustment might be hard at first.

    The color scheme of WF is a bit outdated..I would like something that looks refreshing.
    Would be better if WF has mobile-optimized version
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    There's no reason to change the look of the world's top IM forum. Why would anyone do that? It would be like "new coke".

    to repeat, I would be Really disappointed if the WF got changed to look like:
    https://www.freelancer.com/jobs/C-Programming/1/

    that would be like buying a new mansion, then tearing everything up just to make it look different. like copywriting, if you have a winning look/layout, you keep that as the standard, don't go around mucking things up. blimey. (I've been watching too much Dr. Who lately, lol)

    that would be as bad as buying a killer site like Scriptlance.com then changing/nuking it. oh, um wait...
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    The color scheme of WF is a bit outdated..I would like something that looks refreshing.
    Have you ever considered color psychology? Very beneficial to a website. It's a powerful psychological tool.

    Red, white and black are the most suitable colors for this forum, in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ivan777
    Redesign/Look$Fill. Allot of designers here. Why not ran the contest with public vote?
    Functionalists. To have a history of my posts will be nice.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karol Z
    The WF layout is completely outdated compared to other forums and does not look professional anymore. New comers might be discouraged by this outdated theme. While most people will probably vote "no" due to them being used to this design, I believe a new design would benefit this forum in the long run.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Karol,

      I find it fascinating when people throw around words like "professional" and "modern" when all they really mean is "looks like the latest fad."

      What advantages are afforded by these supposed "professional, modern" designs that aren't equally well provided for by the example Emi worked up? Or the current one, for that matter?

      Seriously. Let's be specific.

      Allen was, according to the press releases about the multiplier, doing a million a year with the current design. And he didn't begin to push the potential of the site. If you measure by results, that seems pretty professional to me.


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      • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
        The only thing I think needs REAL updating is mobile compatability and possibly loading speeds.

        Other than that it seems to be change for testing sake (aka Growth Hacking the WF freelancer style).

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Karol,

        I find it fascinating when people throw around words like "professional" and "modern" when all they really mean is "looks like the latest fad."

        What advantages are afforded by these supposed "professional, modern" designs that aren't equally well provided for by the example Emi worked up? Or the current one, for that matter?

        Seriously. Let's be specific.

        Allen was, according to the press releases about the multiplier, doing a million a year with the current design. And he didn't begin to push the potential of the site. If you measure by results, that seems pretty professional to me.


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  • Profile picture of the author JennySweets
    My concern is that the "redesign" would be pretty much like 95% of other site redesigns - it would become a stranger, with "design elements' and "styles" tossed around just to show how "modern" the site is - while making it a completely unnavigable mess.

    Please, by all means, fix the functionality issues, but if you are going to change the way the forum LOOKS - don't muck it up. Don't overcomplicate it. Don't turn it into Pinterest or some other awful "visual" layout.

    One thing that DOES need to change ASAP is how it works on mobile. I can't stand coming here on my phone, so I generally don't.

    Looking forward to seeing the mockup you mentioned Alaister, if you do bring it around to us. Could change a lot of NOs to Yes with some idea of what you folks have in mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Disruption
    If there was anything I'd want to see, I'd want to see a mobile version implemented with faster load times.
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    • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
      Originally Posted by joecason View Post

      I voted no. Just that red bar at the top is distracting to me.
      Click the arrow to hide it. It keeps coming back so I just keep hiding it.
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