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Dear warrior forum,

I have been on this forum searching for info for over a week now and I have found some very valuable info but these Info's also made me confused because thee are simply too many!

I was searching for a strategy for marketing of my upcoming website which is in the booking niche of hotels/cars/flights.

I seriously need some guidance in order to know how to launch my website in a good way without actually throwing money away which i am most afraid of. It is not that I DON'T want to pay it is more like I don't want to waste my time with companies or freelancers who tells me they can get my website on first page (which is nearly impossible in this niche) after 4-5 months but they actually would not reach that goal and I would have spend around 3500$-5000€ for nothing...

I estimated to spend around 700$ each month on marketing which I believe to be enough in the beginning but I simply do not know which company can get things done as it should be. Why asking this? I see offers for 90$ A month for seo and I ask myself is this it? I don't need 700$?

So I am reaching out to u guys here to guide me which company or strategy this can do or freelancer that is I don't care about the money, it's is there I just need to know where and who I need to talk to.

I have found out during my research that going for low volume keywords will the best strategy to work with and after analysing the competitors and based on that research choosing carefully the keywords.

Of course the basic seo work will be done as well such as bookmarking, social media, article submission, blogs ect.

I'm sort pay for the wall text but this simply shows that I'm in need of help (

Greetings,

Musti
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  • Profile picture of the author Mgungor
    Bumping this thread i need advice!!
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    • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
      Originally Posted by Mgungor View Post

      Bumping this thread i need advice!!
      I feel and hear you.

      First and foremost, get your mindset right and stop looking for quick & easy shortcuts.

      Second of all, have a long-term vision.

      Next, build something of real value to other people. Help people solve their problems and get what they want. Be golden, and you'll get a lot of gold.

      Take consistent and focused action.

      Believe in yourself even when others don't.

      FOCUS and finish what you start.

      Most importantly, don't just raise your white flag. Stick to your plans even when things get hard because they will.

      You know what, I keep telling myself about these things as well.

      I hope this thread can help you, http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...desperate.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    The best thing I have seen for newbies is Declan O' Flaherty's (Declan O Flaherty on the forum) Money Map Method. Even after two years I learned effective things out of that course I had not seen anywhere else. And just seeing Declan's emails is an education.

    SEO providers are like car lots.

    You can get the Honda Civic or you can get the Ferrari. Or you can get the Yugo or the Gremlin.

    I'm not sure I'd classify SEO as "marketing". In my gut I don't feel that it is. It's very passive. Driving traffic is marketing. And SEO takes time to work.

    There are a bunch of ways to make money online. Stick with one until you figure it out. There are no magic bullets, despite what any sales page tells you. Real success takes real work.

    I have a Facebook page for "I Hate Shiny Object Syndrome" just for fun, because tons of people are going through exactly the feelings you are.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
      This is why I always recommend eventually putting some serious skin in the game...

      And investing in a coach.

      It solves just about all of the problems that you addressed.

      You will just need to do some research before hand to see if the particular coach you are looking for can offer what you need help with
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    • Profile picture of the author serryjw
      Jason. Declan O' Flaherty's must be under a different name. I searched for the money map and could not find that either...HELP!

      Thanks,
      Serry
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      • Profile picture of the author AMBuddy
        I feel for you. I have been through all that, there is a process you need to follow when getting started online otherwise you will be overwhelmed and everything else that goes with it. I just complete an awesome coaching program which did exactly this and forced me to focus and take action!
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      • Profile picture of the author SalarGilani
        Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

        Jason. Declan O' Flaherty's must be under a different name. I searched for the money map and could not find that either...HELP!
        serry Check this out Declan O' Flaherty hope this helps.

        Regards
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      • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
        Originally Posted by serryjw View Post

        Jason. Declan O' Flaherty's must be under a different name. I searched for the money map and could not find that either...HELP!

        Thanks,
        Serry

        Here you go!

        View Profile: Declan O Flaherty

        money map | Declan O' Flaherty
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    • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
      Yes trying to do too much at once is never a good thing and the biggest reason why most people fail.

      There's nothing wrong with creating multiple income streams (obviously), but make sure you master one before moving on to the next.

      If you're trying to rank your site, learn everything about Seo you can and try to master it. If you start seeing results, hire somebody and tell them exactly what to do and learn another skill, then rinse and repeat and you'll be able to grow pretty fast.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I estimated to spend around 700$ each month on marketing
    Then spend it on marketing.

    If you spend $700 on some SEO company (and they actually get you ranked) and then Google makes another change...

    Spend that money on advertising.

    SEO is not an investment, it's an expense and IMO a completely unnecessary one.
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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    my advise: learn keyword research:
    once you know how to find the best low hanging fruit you can rank easily rank ....it will be easy. just rank one keyword and move on to the next. millions of keywords...out there
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  • Profile picture of the author createyouwealth
    Seo is definitely not a great way to go because of all the updates google slaps us with. You should definitely take the above advice and invest on advertising. You need to focus on the foundation of building traffic to your website then do that everyday. Consistency is the key, you cant look at all these methods because it will cause you to take little to no action.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mgungor
      Thank you everyone for the replies!
      I actually had in mind spending an amount of money on advertising but i decided afterwards not doing it because i thought putting all the money in building back links would make it equally worth it...
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      • Profile picture of the author Aaron0669
        Originally Posted by Mgungor View Post

        Thank you everyone for the replies!
        I actually had in mind spending an amount of money on advertising but i decided afterwards not doing it because i thought putting all the money in building back links would make it equally worth it...
        If you have some budget, you could try solo ads or Facebook advertising. You can reach your target audience faster.

        Don't waste your money buying traffic or backlinks for SEO purpose. The kind that says "I will send you 10000 visitors for $5, blah,blah,blah"or " I will give you 1000 backlinks from high PR sites, etc". Even if you do get visitors from these sources, the visitors are not real buyers. Plus, you may end up being penailised by Google, which means your site will never be seen in the search results.
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    • Profile picture of the author SalarGilani
      Originally Posted by Jassen View Post

      Do a search here on WF for the "All In One Traffic" thread, and pick ONE or TWO traffic strategies that appeal to you, and focus entirely on those one or two traffic strategies to the exclusion of everything else.

      i did the SEARCH for all concerned and here is the link. hope its the same thread Jassen referred to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Omarkenawy
    The easiest way to measure the value of the information you bring in is to see if you actually use any of it.

    Many times, you'll find that you don't use it at all. Reading 200 articles a month about exciting new ways to create and use a blog to make money doesn't help you if you have yet to set up a single blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author bmoore62
    I sense the frustration in your post. Most of us just starting out have been in the same boat -- not knowing where to turn and feeling overwhelmed.

    My advice, as I have given this advice to many others, is to get a mentor. Earlier, I just read email after email and bought product after product only to feel even more confused and lost. Then I had all these products and absolutely no idea what to do with any of them.

    Once I got some focus and direction, things started to turn around for me. My opinion, but it sounds to me as if you need the guidance of someone who has been where you want to be and is doing what you want to do. Just do some research and find someone you can trust.

    Just PM me if I can be of further assistance.

    Best of luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author christophercuna
    Invest on a coach, avoid shiny object syndrome and avoid placing your baskets in one egg. Make some A/B testing and don't be afraid of failure.

    We can only provide you advice. Only you can get you where you want to be.
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  • Profile picture of the author BellaGeen
    I agree with jamescanz and christophercuna about having a coach
    There is no real blue-print to a business success, every business is a new journey, BUT there are few principals that work for all businesses:
    - Act by SELLING and do not hide behind over-learning
    - Focus on 1 thing until you squeeze it out (or on 1 GURU)
    - Overcome shame by openly saying "here are my goods. Do you want them?"
    - All the time fine-tune your product to REALLY provide value for your customers, but don't wait until perfection

    There are some more, but this is essentials. A good coach will guide you and help you to overcome your specific challenges

    By the way, why have you decided not to use paid advertisement? This is the best way to check your offer and see if you nailed down the benefit for your customers
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    Only people who don't follow the rules will tell you not to invest in SEO. A high Google serp equals money, period, but you can't get that by doing what a lot of members on the WF have done in the past. They are paying for it now, but you don't have to.

    All you need to do is take a look at the Classifieds, Warriors for Hire and WSO sections here to know you should not be asking about SEO advice from people here in the main forum, or buying the nonsense that is being offered here (I'm only talking about SEO-type offers).

    Ask some people who actually do professional SEO work for a living and who charge for what it's worth. If you have $700 to spend per month, you can certainly invest in some quality content at the very least, and build up from there.

    Don't get stuck spinning your wheels on this forum. Talk to some professionals, create a plan, stay focused on executing that plan, and tweak as you go.

    Some people thrive on this forum, but some people also die on this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mgungor
      Thank you everyone your opinion helped me a lot!
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  • Profile picture of the author davidaclark
    I would invest in some top quality articles on holiday destinations and post them around the Internet. Only post one instance of each article with links to that particular destination on your website. You will gradually build up a ranking from the search engines. Add to blog to your site and post some unique articles to it.
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    Forget everything.

    And ask yourself what it is that you want to do.



    Just my $.02
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  • Profile picture of the author Entrecon
    Depending on what Niche you are carving out, $700 might just be a waste of Money. I don't know about other countries, but in the US Travelocity, Expedia, Kayak, etc. dominate the market.

    To that end, my suggestion is to really figure out who your target market is and how you can solve their problem.
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  • The Best Way to go about is work with a mentor. Instead of SEO, you can work on PPC and cpa offers. Infact I was stuck earlier and got a coach and now i make full time online income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Lawrence
    My advice to you, would be to give the forums a rest. Really get into your goals. I never hired a mentor. The greatest success I've had came from experimenting with things until I found something that worked, once I did that, I wrote ebooks and then came the serious cash.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nuno
    $90 a month will get you nothing serious in the travel niche. I know it very, very well... don't be tricked.
    It's one of the toughest markets, and one Google likes to push.

    $700 a month will get you something, but not guaranteed, you cannot compete with the big dogs on their game and expect great ROI results, you need to think differently.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheKing
    I have not previous replies ..

    But on the basis of main post , I would suggest focus on one thing at a time and don't leave it until you start seeing some success.
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  • Profile picture of the author BWHadam
    Make it simple... The first thing is narrow down your tasks. And get it started... Do not invest more in start and add the budget gradually on the part where you are getting some good results. Rinse and Repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You gotta dive in and do something. Everything you've learned, write them all out on a sheet of paper, test each one out.... one-by-one. Those that make you money, keep. Those that done, cut em loose.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    If you have $700 a month to spend on advertising then I wouldn't do SEO, instead I would study paid marketing strategies and apply what you learn.

    In my experience, SEO can very unpredictable and there are so many other marketing strategies that are more effective with a shorter learning curve.

    If you're feeling lost and you're really not sure what to do, getting a coach might be a good idea. Just make sure you choose a coach that has a good reputation and good feedback from other customers and students. Some of these so called "coaches" will take your money and run if you're not careful.
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    • Profile picture of the author RSK3000
      Hi Musti,

      My view is slightly different from the others.

      I think if you don't know what you are doing then you can lose a lot of money very quickly. Simply throwing money at your site and hoping for the best is not what you should be doing, and I am sure you know this.

      Internet marketing can be learned in a day but can take years to master. You probably don't want to do anything until you have at least a basic understanding of the different internet marketing strategies available. Even if you just read a few books on the subject at least you can talk to freelancers and sound as if you know what you are talking about.

      If you are not able to wait then you may want to think about going into partnership with someone who has the skills you don't have. You may have to give away some of your future earnings but it may be best in the long term.

      On the subject of Coaches. Your problem will be finding a good one that actually has knowledge of your business.

      This project may be too big for a beginner. Have you thought of putting this website on hold for a while until you have some basic IM skills?
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  • I feel your pain and I mean it. I have been in mastermind groups with other IM marketers who sold millions of dollars and one time or another they get into the slump. Take a break, read a book, regroup. Think about your goals focus. Talk to someone you trust.

    YOU WILL GET OVER IT!

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Nuno
    Don't forget that he doesn't need a mentor/coach for IM, but for the travel niche... generic advice will not cut it, you need to know the business.
    Buying backlinks without knowing what changed at Google, and what is changing... is a big risk, may only penalize you.
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  • Profile picture of the author SunnyDelight
    Yahh, information overload can be a doozie.

    I suggest you find a method that you feel comfortable with and go at it like a tiger after a gazelle. There isn't really any shortcuts. It's all trial and error.

    What works for one particular niche may not work for another. But, find yourself an advertising method and go all out with it!

    If you want to promote on Facebook, I suggest you intensely focus on that method until you start seeing the results that you want. Then from there, start adding and incorporating other ways of promotion and advertising.

    Otherwise, you're just going to be all over the place and unorganized if you're trying to do multiple methods at one time. Laser targeted focus on one method is better than doing 5 different methods and not really accomplishing much.

    Hopes this helps. Good luck and success to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Walker
    Hi Musti.

    You need to decide do you want free traffic or paid for traffic.

    If free then you need to do all the leg work yourself. For example posting messages, info and articles, etc on Twitter, Facebook, forums, blogs, etc.

    If paid then what kind of traffic do you want?

    A good and fairly safe one would be Solo Ads where you pay someone with a relevant list of people who are interested in your niche to email your advert to them. And you have to be careful about who you go with so you don't get ripped off!

    There is a ton of info out there on Solos – just be careful and do you due diligence and then test with a small Solo Ad of say 50 emails which you can get for around $25. Also, if you set up a landing page and get the Solo Ad provider to send his list to it you can capture their email address and build your own list to continually email to with your adverts – so you have a free mailing list!

    Solo Ads is a big topic, far too big for on here, but I hope this gives you some idea of the possibilities?
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  • Profile picture of the author PureSEO101
    follow what others are saying in this posts and you will succeed
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  • Profile picture of the author orangpendek0
    Its hard for myself as well.Alot of information (were to start as well) can be overwhelming.I am glad I have found a site such as this though.
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  • Profile picture of the author theo1995
    I think you should try ppc which is better than seo and you should also capture somehow the traffic that comes to your site. You just have to test in the beginning
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Herrie
    I can tell you one thing. One Week will not help you at all on this forum ,Unless you already have an understanding of things. You need to spend months on this forum .


    You need to get your hands dirty first. You should forget about a fancy website for now. Instead you should create and host a simple website . You can use Freelancer to have someone build your very first website. Remember this website is just practice for you. Even if you outsource this project to freelancer you will find there is a hell of a lot of work and research involved for you even outsourcing. I mean stressful headspinning research. Especially once the programmer starts arguing with you and starts telling you what works for marketing and what does not work..

    Programmers as a rule know absolutely nothing as far as marketing goes . I have not meet a programmer yet that makes money online in any other method than building websites..

    So in a nut shell .. Get 2 or 3 different websites online try to focus on a single niche if you can, But if not just try to consider a single niche that's most interesting to you and that youmay be HIGHLY KNOWLEDEABLE in.. This will help you become an authority in your niche..

    Once you have a couple websites under your belt you can experiment with a little ADWORDS traffic.. Or even article syndication or facebook..there is a lot of roads to travel.. You should try and figure out on your own which one is most attractive to you and which one will be easiest for you to understand..


    JUST ASK
    SINCERELY
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  • Profile picture of the author elusian
    Seo, when done properly, is your long term strategy. PPC and other advertising is your short and long term strategy. You need a combination of both, especially in the beginning, unless you are going into so me obscure niche with little competition.

    The niche that you have chosen is competitive, which naturally means you will spend more. If you are concerned about your budget, learn about paid advertising strategies and pay for those and at the same time begin learning seo so that you can do most of the work yourself in the beginning.

    The more that you know, the easier it will be to pick out automated services that work. If you go into this without that knowledge, there are plenty of so called SEO experts that will be happy to take your money.
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  • Profile picture of the author LuckyIMer
    Make a marketing plan. Take advantage of free marketing plan templates online, or simply use a calendar to write down your objectives. Include the 4 P's in your business marketing plan: Product, Price, Promotion, and Placement.
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      hi! why dont you try endlessrise. its a white label seo company. their service is absolutely great. youll never waste your money with them. just try and contact them
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Originally Posted by Mgungor View Post

    I have been on this forum searching for info for over a week now and I have found some very valuable info but these Info's also made me confused because thee are simply too many!
    In find it interesting that yours is the most popular reason given why NOT to
    have a coach anytime the issue is discussed here on the WF. "There is so much
    information here on the forum so you don't need a coach". But you are saying
    that's the very reason why you do need one.

    People can end up doing the opposite things for the very same reason.

    -Ray Edwards
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  • Profile picture of the author bobtracz
    I know how you feel as do most internet marketers.

    Find one successful marketer to model.
    Subscribe, buy and take action on what that person does.
    Put on blinders and ignore everything els.
    Master one system, traffic method, process... before moving on.
    Become a seller not a buyer.

    cheers...
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