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Warrior Forum Weekly Newsletter - Did anyone else get it?

by xxxJamesxxx
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Just received a newsletter from the Warrior Forum and I don't know about you, but I think it's a nice new addition.

What do you guys think?

James Scholes
#forum #newsletter #warrior #weekly
  • Profile picture of the author Alaister
    Thanks James.

    We're looking to provide updates on what's happening with the community, announcements from the WF team, the best WSO deals and Internet marketing tips.

    I'm sure they'll get better each week.
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  • Profile picture of the author NK
    I think it can be a great way to give important updates and provide highlights from the forum discussions if done right. I just hope it doesn't end up full of ads and promos
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  • Profile picture of the author littledan
    I think it's a great idea, and a fantastic way to engage members that tend to be less active on the forum but still like to follow the latest topics being discussed. We may get some less often heard voices on the forum. Good idea all round.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Dan,
      a fantastic way to engage members that tend to be less active on the forum
      This is a really good point.


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  • Profile picture of the author davidaclark
    I am surprised It has not been done before.
    It looks like a way for the forum to earn more money, if they are acting as the affiliate of the programs they post.
    Perhaps it is me being cynical, maybe they don't get commission.
    Either way it will result in certain products being saturated in the market place.
    That is all right with the initial product because of what it is.
    Some PLR offers may not be worth buying because every man and his dog has purchased them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Valdor Kiebach
    I didnt get it, checked spam and nothing there.
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    • Profile picture of the author loganwenger
      I thought it was spam when I first saw it. Wasn't used to receiving any form of communication from the forum. It really is a great idea and the fact that it's a weekly newsletter, the improvements to the newsletter will be noticeable rather quickly.

      I came across an article on BRW, "Freelancer.com buys Warrior Forum: 'the marketing community that never marketed itself'"

      The main takeaway from the article:

      Barrie has spent three years in negotiations to buy the site, whose 732,000 members help make it the 225th most visited website in the world, yet whose founder Allen Says never once sent an email to his user base.

      "It's ironic that the largest internet marketing community in the world did no marketing of its own," Barrie says.
      The newsletter is to engage users, bring them back to the forum, and of course to monetize. It's a great strategy.

      I'm looking forward to the weekly newsletter and some great content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    I got it but I think I need to create a separate mailbox for it as my inbox is already crowded.
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  • Profile picture of the author tsakf
    I got it. Very nice, and informative.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Yeah. Great idea. Easy to keep informed of what's going on. I'm not much of a Facebook user so checking the group regularly is probably something I won't do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rene Frydson
    Nice feature. Will most definately be looking out for the newsletters
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Haven't received mine yet (yes, I checked my filters and spam inbox).

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  • Profile picture of the author ivcan
    Yep, I got it... On my SPAM folder. I have cleared now the email of the newsletter as "safe". Simple design and relevant announcements... Like the halving the costs for posting a WSO and the new yearly subscription model for the War Room. More expensive in the long run, but I think is compensated by the lower fee for posting a WSO.
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    i had no idea wf is based in sydney...
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  • Profile picture of the author stoltingmediagroup
    A newsletter?

    Thought it was spam as it looked more like a sales pitch for optinlinks at 70% off. You know, with the headline being: "Get up to 70% optin rates!" and all.

    Which by the way isn't much of a "Warrior Deal of the Week" as claimed in the newsletter, when the main public website offers the exact same discount.

    The other info was pretty much rehashed info from what has happened over the last while.

    So yeah, I guess its more tailored to those who don't hang out here much.

    Either way, I unsubscribed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gladiator
    Ya, the idea of the newsletter is Ok But the Warrior Forum uniqueness is being diluted in my opinion!

    IMO what I liked about it, is that we can engage, contribute, learn, make money but for the most part left alone! So if changes are happening to maximize the bottom line then that is where the risk of getting too big and maybe loosing some of the juice and the uniqueness identity!

    Question: About the WSO- Do they still they still have to be a product or service that you created or anything goes? Because I believe that the WSO's kept as it was for years is a big part of the success!

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  • Profile picture of the author ADVERTHEORY
    yes, and I've unsubscribed to past mailings.

    also in my control panel here.




    freelancer is above the law, they're austrailian and are allowed to play ignorant to the fact they spammed their newly purchased list of potential buyers whether they've opted out previously or not.

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    • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
      From the privacy policy:

      Warrior Forum Communications
      We may occasionally use your name and email address to send you notifications regarding new services offered by the Website that we think you may find valuable. We may also send you service-related announcements from time to time through the general operation of the service. Generally, you may opt out of such emails at the time of registration or through your account settings, though we reserve the right to send you notices about your account even if you opt out of all voluntary email notifications.

      Mark

      Originally Posted by ADVERTHEORY View Post

      yes, and I've unsubscribed to past mailings.

      also in my control panel here.




      freelancer is above the law, they're austrailian and are allowed to play ignorant to the fact they spammed their newly purchased list of potential buyers whether they've opted out previously or not.

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      • Profile picture of the author ADVERTHEORY
        Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

        From the privacy policy:

        Warrior Forum Communications
        We may occasionally use your name and email address to send you notifications regarding new services offered by the Website that we think you may find valuable. We may also send you service-related announcements from time to time through the general operation of the service. Generally, you may opt out of such emails at the time of registration or through your account settings, though we reserve the right to send you notices about your account even if you opt out of all voluntary email notifications.

        Mark
        From the FTC, which overrides any privacy policy wording.
        CAN-SPAM Act: A Compliance Guide for Business | BCP Business Center
        Each separate email in violation of the CAN-SPAM Act is subject to penalties of up to $16,000, so non-compliance can be costly. But following the law isn’t complicated. Here’s a rundown of CAN-SPAM’s main requirements:

        1. Don’t use false or misleading header information. Your “From,” “To,” “Reply-To,” and routing information – including the originating domain name and email address – must be accurate and identify the person or business who initiated the message.

        2. Don’t use deceptive subject lines. The subject line must accurately reflect the content of the message.

        3. Identify the message as an ad. The law gives you a lot of leeway in how to do this, but you must disclose clearly and conspicuously that your message is an advertisement.

        4. Tell recipients where you’re located. Your message must include your valid physical postal address. This can be your current street address, a post office box you’ve registered with the U.S. Postal Service, or a private mailbox you’ve registered with a commercial mail receiving agency established under Postal Service regulations.

        5. Tell recipients how to opt out of receiving future email from you. Your message must include a clear and conspicuous explanation of how the recipient can opt out of getting email from you in the future. Craft the notice in a way that’s easy for an ordinary person to recognize, read, and understand. Creative use of type size, color, and location can improve clarity. Give a return email address or another easy Internet-based way to allow people to communicate their choice to you. You may create a menu to allow a recipient to opt out of certain types of messages, but you must include the option to stop all commercial messages from you. Make sure your spam filter doesn’t block these opt-out requests.

        6. Honor opt-out requests promptly. Any opt-out mechanism you offer must be able to process opt-out requests for at least 30 days after you send your message. You must honor a recipient’s opt-out request within 10 business days. You can’t charge a fee, require the recipient to give you any personally identifying information beyond an email address, or make the recipient take any step other than sending a reply email or visiting a single page on an Internet website as a condition for honoring an opt-out request. Once people have told you they don’t want to receive more messages from you, you can’t sell or transfer their email addresses, even in the form of a mailing list. The only exception is that you may transfer the addresses to a company you’ve hired to help you comply with the CAN-SPAM Act.

        7. Monitor what others are doing on your behalf. The law makes clear that even if you hire another company to handle your email marketing, you can’t contract away your legal responsibility to comply with the law. Both the company whose product is promoted in the message and the company that actually sends the message may be held legally responsible.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
        That doesn't say anything about a newsletter, I was not given an opt-in form to subscribe to a newsletter and the email options in the control panel have nothing to do with a newsletter.

        Alistair Low sent this out personally via
        o1.edm.warriorforum.com ([IP ADDRESS WAS HERE])


        Apparently whether people had the email options unchecked or not from what others in this thread have mentioned.

        I know I never subscribed to a newsletter at the warrior forum.

        Does this make Alistair now responsible for the $16,000 per email he just sent out?


        I understand about the notices about the ownership change. I expect to get email about PM's and issues with the forum as I have those options checked in my profile control panel.

        I wouldn't of minded the initial email alerting to a newsletter, giving first edition as the email stated then provide a link for me to subscribe if I want to. I did NOT expect or give permission to automatically be put on some list or have my contact information used without permission.

        What I also find VERY interesting is that the links to the Privacy and Terms of Service policies at the bottom of the pages on WarriorForum are not actively linked to any policies currently as of this post date.

        I unsubscribed from the email list assuming it did anything. I also find it very interesting that the headers in the email sent refer to the newsletter as spam which gmail, yahoo and other email services will block so I am not surprised of the mentions of people not getting a copy either. Hit and miss apparently.

        Would be interesting to know whether there was permission to have our contact information sold when the transfer from previous owner to freelancer took place.


        Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

        From the privacy policy:

        Warrior Forum Communications
        We may occasionally use your name and email address to send you notifications regarding new services offered by the Website that we think you may find valuable. We may also send you service-related announcements from time to time through the general operation of the service. Generally, you may opt out of such emails at the time of registration or through your account settings, though we reserve the right to send you notices about your account even if you opt out of all voluntary email notifications.

        Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    The newsletter is a nice touch. Finally, the forum puts into practice one of Allen's strategies mentioned in his Private Posts book.

    As for what is being put into practice, I'm not sure pitching products has been appropriately vetted. This caught my attention:

    Get up to 70% optin rates!
    Really? How does that ceiling work so one cannot get, for example, a 71% opt in rate?

    Double or even quadruple your optin rates now with OptinLinks
    Promises, promises. This is an income type promise with zero proof anywhere.

    The example I saw was instead of being up front asking for someone's email address and what it is being used for, this presents a download link and then silently signs someone up for multiple email lists without their knowledge or permission.

    Should be a huge seller.

    I'd suggest having better disclosures of what the email is being used for and who is getting access, and eliminating promises unless one has proof in their hip pocket.

    In over a decade I don't recall the former owner ever intentionally stepping into the doo-doo where a FTC action or lawsuit could be filed putting the forum at risk because the forum itself was making promises of specific results. From private correspondence I'd say Allen was extremely sensitive to the issue.

    Why do I mention this? Not because I don't see value in the product being pitched, and I'm not saying it cannot get more opt-ins. Rather, it is a slippery slope to the next newsletter pitching how to make $10,000 a month working 1 hour a day. There are other issues too, such as the requirements to even send the newsletter, which I see some others just posted about while I was drafting this. The bigger your company the bigger the target on your back.

    Of course, it is the first newsletter and hiccups are bound to happen. Better to catch an issue now before it results in a problem down the road.

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  • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
    I didn't get one. I feel left out now.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    I got the newsletter! Don't remember opting in to anything, but I generally assume once I join a forum or website, I'll get some stuff from them. No biggie.

    The newsletter looks good. Since I can't always keep up with what's going on, the newsletter will be a good way to stay current. I'm also excited about the reduced price for the War Room (didn't know about that until I read the newsletter).

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Well you should at least be able to unsub:

    503 Service Unavailable

    No server is available to handle this request.
    Not impressed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raimundas M
    I received it too.

    I liked everything about it except the product endorsement.

    Didn't expect that from WF.

    And according to the subject line, that was their main priority.

    Not good.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Raimundas M View Post

      I received it too.

      I liked everything about it except the product endorsement.

      Didn't expect that from WF.

      And according to the subject line, that was their main priority.

      Not good.
      So all the members can endorse products, and owners can't? Bull.

      Put in the appropriate FTC disclaimers at the bottom of the email and endorse what you want. Sell advertising spots in the newsletter to make some money. Many popular newsletter monetize the newsletter by selling ad space. Talk about a solo ad opportunity for advertisers to reach a lot of people. Just vet the products so that junk is being promoted.
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      • Profile picture of the author BigVikingAl
        Just got one myself and was somewhat surprised. About to check it out, hopefully will have some good info.
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      • Profile picture of the author ADVERTHEORY
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        So all the members can endorse products, and owners can't? Bull.

        Put in the appropriate FTC disclaimers at the bottom of the email and endorse what you want. Sell advertising spots in the newsletter to make some money. Many popular newsletter monetize the newsletter by selling ad space. Talk about a solo ad opportunity for advertisers to reach a lot of people. Just vet the products so that junk is being promoted.
        You forgot the key ingredient to scamming or spamming success

        ignore ALL previous opt-out requests for the mailing list you just purchased, regardless of the law.
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      • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        So all the members can endorse products, and owners can't? Bull.
        I gave my email address to the previous owner.
        Then it was safe to use my main address.
        If I'd have thought for a minute that I'd be getting WSO's in my mailbox,
        I would have used a junk account.
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      • Profile picture of the author Raimundas M
        Calm down.

        It's just my own opinion.

        Of course they can do whatever they like. It's their forum.
        I receive enough endorsements, so it was an usubscribe from me anyway.

        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        So all the members can endorse products, and owners can't? Bull.

        Put in the appropriate FTC disclaimers at the bottom of the email and endorse what you want. Sell advertising spots in the newsletter to make some money. Many popular newsletter monetize the newsletter by selling ad space. Talk about a solo ad opportunity for advertisers to reach a lot of people. Just vet the products so that junk is being promoted.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Raimundas M View Post

          Calm down.

          It's just my own opinion.

          Of course they can do whatever they like. It's their forum.
          I receive enough endorsements, so it was an usubscribe from me anyway.
          I'm calm. It's just my opinion also. I never subscribe to lists, with a few exceptions, so it's no big deal to me to receive offers in the WF Newsletter. If I didn't like it, I'd unsubscribe too.
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  • Profile picture of the author tamalanwar
    I got it and I am impressed with it.

    Whenever I log into WF, I feel I time traveled to 2000s

    And here in the newsletter it's polished and so 2014ish

    Looking forward to some more weekly news from warrior forum newsletter.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    i would never want a newsletter from the WF; better to have an updates thread. slippery slope, sliding, see i told you
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  • Profile picture of the author midolyon
    The newsletter seems to be a good initiative from the forum, i got it as spam i don't know why my mail provider considers it like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
    Got it - didn't read it yet - but a welcome step forward and a good aid to come back and be more active.
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    Yes, I got it too.

    I also think that it is a good way to engage with members who have not used the forum for a while.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
      I got it and think it is a good idea as long as it provides some useful information, which it did. I am actually kind of surprised that there was not newsletters sent out in the past.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndhikaWijaya
    Yeah, i received Newsletter from WF but in my spambox!. Dunno why
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  • Profile picture of the author Trivum
    I got it and was happy to.

    However, if they're going to promote products in it, then I think they should be SUPER discounted from the normal price. Then people would be happy to open the emails.

    As it stands, even the the WSO for the OptinLinks product looks to be the exact same price as on the OptinLinks website (granted, it says it's discounted for a limited time there). I thought WSOs had to offer a discount from elsewhere. Maybe that's changing too.

    Anyway, back to my main idea: if they were to offer really huge discounts (maybe only for a week or three days, etc.), it would be better both for them and for us.
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    Yeah but landed in my spam.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    I haven't received the newsletter nor did I receive the notification regarding the sale of the forum.

    I've checked my spam filters, junk folder etc., nothing!

    My User CP settings are correct including my current email.

    Any suggestions?
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      I don't have a problem with a regular Warrior newsletter, but thanks to all the affiliate spammers that have been using some form of the name "Warrior" in their address or heading, it isn't surprising that many of these emails are finding their way into spam folders. Also, with the sort of heading attached to this issue (Get up to 70% opt-in rates), some recipients might have deleted the email without opening it. Just a heading saying Warrior Newsletter, with the date or issue number would be preferable.

      Personally, I'd rather not get offers in the newsletter - they're unlikely to be targeted to individual interests, and if I want products, I can visit the WSO section - but if one of the aims is to engage members who haven't visited the forum for a while, perhaps the newsletter could include short details of one or two of the most popular recent threads, with direct links, emphasizing that this is still a discussion forum, as well as a marketplace.

      And with the plans the new owners have for the forum, updates on changes and innovations are welcome. Even regular forum visitors might have missed details of some of those.


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      • Profile picture of the author GlenH
        I think it's a great idea for keeping members updated about changes and new things that might be happening.

        I'm sure it will also be an effective tool for helping to get those 'less active' members to become more involved. Which benefits the forum as a whole.

        I also think having a 'newsletter archive page' is a good idea.

        The only thing I'm not sure about is a how that 'Weekly Warrior Deal' will work.

        Will that be something like the WF 'banner ad' system where members will be buying ad. space?
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      • Profile picture of the author AnnaPaterson
        I did not receive one either, but a good newsletter is never a bad idea
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    It finally let me unsub after numerous attempts.

    Steeerike one!
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  • Profile picture of the author JennySweets
    I liked getting it - reminded me that WF might have some changes to check out. Let me know about the WAMA (which, despite all the contrary thoughts on it in that section of the forums, is exciting to me. )

    I just have to remember to pull it out of the swamp and put it in the priority inbox if I ever want to see it without randomly chancing upon it ;-)

    EDIT : You know what is funny (to me anyway)?

    I didn't even Notice the ad for the product. I'm so used to skimming over and ignoring promo junk that I went right past it and scrolled down to see if there was anything worth looking at in the newsletter. I had to go back just now and look again and LO and BEHOLD there's the promo right at the top. Now that I actually see it, it's annoying - it should be at the bottom under the "NEWS" part of the newsletter.

    I don't mind it being there, having gotten promos from WPlus with their "WSOTD" junk forever (and largely ignored after my first year on WF). I don't like seeing it first thing when I am looking for news and updates.

    If you must sell us, sell us after the content. The visual layout will keep the eye moving and the mousewheel scrolling down - and if we want to be sold to we will look.

    Just my two pence on that.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    Got the newsletter. Most of the stuff in it was old news to me, but it looked really nicely laid out.

    I think the team have made a good start - the WF is stale and needs something new. Right now it's a desktop PC in a tablet world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Chicas
    I got it and liked it. Wish that it had more content in it. Maybe soon.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gambino
    Went straight to my spam folder. Which is nice since I've been unsubscribing to just about everything here lately.
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    I didn't get it either and it's not in Spam. Any idea if there will be a link to it on the forum with archives so if we don't get it, we can at least access it? I want to see it - if anyone wants to forward it to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Mine was in the (gmail) spam folder. Might want to try and use an a 3rd party ESP or work on getting the domain whitelisted.

    As for the content, eh. It was basically three ads. Would be nice to see things like

    - links to hot threads.
    - warrior member spot lights. warriors that actually help the forum. Not from someone doing a launch.
    - Must read member blog posts.
    - links to threads that might be good but overlooked by members.

    I don't mind ads in the emails, I expect them, but will start deleting them if they remain an ad fest.

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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

      Mine was in the (gmail) spam folder. Might want to ... work on getting the domain whitelisted.
      That could be a problem. Have you ever tried using Google AdWords to promote anything on warriorforum.com? At least, last I tried, it wasn't a quick account ban like with ClickBank. But the entire domain was not approved to run an ad with Google. While the ad service is not necessarily connected to the email service, it would seem like something Google would do, or want to do.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Thomson
    As long as it´s advertising free I am fine with it.

    If it contains ads however it will go straight to my spam folder...
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    Ah maybe that's why i didn't get it - I had approved admin notifications but not members.
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    • Profile picture of the author Terry Crim
      Read back through what I posted and read more of other posts in the thread.. Pitch forks! Let's all get out the pitch forks and kerosine and burn em all at the stake!!! Errrrr... LOL

      Evil.. Evil I tell you their all just EVIL!


      And Tiffany I messaged you about sending you the copy I got if you didn't already get one sent to you.


      Terry


      Yeah, I don't really care that much about this, comes off more in my post then what it really is.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I don't care about any of this did I opt in debate at all. I just have a suggestion for the newsletter format.

    It surprised me - the subject title. I saw that it was a WF newsletter, so I thought maybe this was just one of the many spammers that use Warrior Forum name to spam people that have not opted in to any list of theirs. But then I saw that it was official. It came from the WF.

    I'd rather see the content first with more of a newsy vs salesy subject line and then put the ads in between the content. That's all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Max Anderson
    I got it, but I deleted it instantly... because I expected it to be a bunch of advertising
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    I have not the addition sounds cool.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Got it. No problem with it. Can't remember what was in it tbh though.

    Don't care too much that they are endorsing products.

    Can't believe it wasn't happening already.

    People are saying they didn't opt in for a newsletter but when you joined up you assume there might be communications from the forum and that's basically all this is.

    Promises, promises. This is an income type promise with zero proof anywhere.

    The example I saw was instead of being up front asking for someone's email address and what it is being used for, this presents a download link and then silently signs someone up for multiple email lists without their knowledge or permission.

    Should be a huge seller.
    I bought opt in links and that's not how it works. At least I never noticed that option if it's there.

    It's a 2 step opt in. Instead of the typical squeeze page type opt in method the opt in pops up in content when a link is clicked rather than someone being sent to a new page.

    The person still has to enter their email and confirm they want to sign up.

    Like LeadPages do with LeadBoxes except OptinLinks is a one off payment and LB is monthly. Essentially the same thing though.

    As for the content, eh. It was basically three ads. Would be nice to see things like

    - links to hot threads.
    - warrior member spot lights. warriors that actually help the forum. Not from someone doing a launch.
    - Must read member blog posts.
    - links to threads that might be good but overlooked by members.

    I don't mind ads in the emails, I expect them, but will start deleting them if they remain an ad fest.
    Sounds good to me too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
    I didn't get it. Pretty sure it didn't go to spam folders either. I get all the thread update notifications and I got the admin emails telling of the acquisition so I don't know what's happened.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael D Forbes
    I admit it, I was rather amused that it went straight to the spam can.
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