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why are many of you guys obsessed with

by squidface Banned
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Churn and burn, spam and scam...?

Truely successful businesses etc focus on real products and one business. But what i see here is people jumping into 50+ niches. having dozens of sites, jump, jump and jump into other biz opp's.

same with advertising. Constantly spamming fb, google, social sites. There are businesses out there tat don't even advertise and run off 3 or 4 long term, big money clients. Isn't it a rate race when a business has to constantly attract new customers? i think it's a bit insane. Maybe that's me?

Stop. What if you could make more money by focusing?

Have THEY NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? Or is it pure ignorance/greed?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
    And Wal-Mart just sells one product?

    I think you need to spend more time reading WF. No one is here to burn or scam. If that was the case, then no one here would have a paypal account as to which they shut people down for such activity.
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  • Profile picture of the author Taraka
    it's greed, I think. I observe it in myself - the more I go into digital marketing the more lust for easy money arises, and the more i'm eager to go for dubious business
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Name one Fortune 50, 100, 500, or 1000 company that only sells one product.
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    • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
      Originally Posted by Chris Silvey View Post

      And Wal-Mart just sells one product?
      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      Name one Fortune 50, 100, 500, or 1000 company that only sells one product.
      I didn't read the whole thread but...

      I don't believe OP is saying to sell ONE PRODUCT. He is making a very valid point. The LARGE majority of people on this forum FAIL and do so miserably.

      Why?

      Because they lack focus.

      When you spread yourself too thin, you can't possibly be giving adequate effort, thought, and attention to everything your are doing. The result is often failure.

      I think the point OP is making is that people need to FOCUS and stop moving from one fad to the next.

      He has a very valid point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Originally Posted by squidface View Post

    spam and scam...?
    There's a few bad eggs in pretty much every group of significant size, probably best not to judge everyone based on the actions of a shady minority.
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    • Profile picture of the author karlkarolis1
      Originally Posted by Michael Meaney View Post

      There's a few bad eggs in pretty much every group of significant size, probably best not to judge everyone based on the actions of a shady minority.
      What Michael said, OP the people you are talking about are far from the majority.
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  • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
    Originally Posted by squidface View Post

    Isn't it a rate race when a business has to constantly attract new customers? i think it's a bit insane. Maybe that's me?
    Yes that's just you

    If a business doesn't attract new customers, then it goes out of business...
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  • Profile picture of the author mikesdebp
    It's been a rat race long before Internet Marketing became popular...!

    You are right though - to be successful you need focus (and persistence).
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
    There is a massive difference between churn and burn - spam and scam. As a a marketer that does well with both white and black hat techniques you have to learn a lot more about the game.

    I never ever spam or scam anyone! I never try and trick an individual in parting with their money as it is basically digital mugging.

    However when it comes to the search engines anything goes. Long term whitehat investments on one side and "churn and burn" on the other. It is a bit like investment banking but I am only taking risks with my money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    Sure, advertising is pointless, and relying on more than 3-4 clients for your income is silly; much better to have an income that will be cut by 2/3 if you lose 2 clients. Social media never works. People with more than one website, or more than one business are losers. Google never made anyone a dime.

    Starting a thread when you're brand new in the biggest online marketing forum, which is basically a generalized attack on how a lot of people here make their income seems like a good solid business strategy. Good luck with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    Originally Posted by squidface View Post


    Truely successful businesses etc focus on real products and one business.
    Sorry but its not true.

    Successful people have different sources of income.
    There is nothing wrong to have several streams of income.
    Setup one, establish it and then find another and so on.
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  • Profile picture of the author KattyHowells
    Some people can simply handle multiple tasks at the same time or they just afford to delegate tasks, pay others to work for them. No matter how they do it, the point is that if they'd do a crappy job, their "businesses" won't last or generate money. So if so many people tackle different niches at the same time, it means it works. Of course, Google is not just sitting and gone are the days when websites would have been promoted within days, despite their poor quality.
    Like with any other business, the most competitive people win. Why does it bother you? It's good if you can make decent revenues by focusing on a single niche, but it is at least just as good if you can do more revenues from more sources.
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    Sorry for using the term "spam and scam." No offence intended.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Sorry for using the term "spam and scam." No offence intended.
      Ummm... Seriously? You're gonna go with that?

      Gets my nod for funniest BS line of the week.


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      • Profile picture of the author John D
        There's nothing wrong with multiple streams of income, as a matter of fact that's how rich folk grow their net worth. I'm part of multiple opportunities and have multiple systems of my own I use to live the life I choose to live.

        It's not about jumping around, it's about adding more legs to your table of success. That way if one fails, breaks, or no longer is strong enough to support the table, there are other legs that will keep you from living in a cardboard box.

        That's all I have to say about that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Originally Posted by squidface View Post

    Churn and burn, spam and scam...?

    Truely successful businesses etc focus on real products and one business. But what i see here is people jumping into 50+ niches. having dozens of sites, jump, jump and jump into other biz opp's.
    What is this based on? This forum has thousands of registered members, how could anyone realistically come to such a conclusion?

    The marketers that I associate with in this forum don't churn and burn their lists, but I'll admit that it's a very small segment of the people here. But using common sense, there's no way of really knowing the opposite either. Your premise is flawed.

    Clearly you're looking to get a reaction from people because no reasonable person who accuse and entire group of 700,000 plus members of jumping into 50 plus niches.

    same with advertising. Constantly spamming fb, google, social sites. There are businesses out there tat don't even advertise and run off 3 or 4 long term, big money clients. Isn't it a rate race when a business has to constantly attract new customers? i think it's a bit insane. Maybe that's me?
    I have no idea what you were trying to say there.

    Stop. What if you could make more money by focusing?

    Have THEY NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? Or is it pure ignorance/greed?
    Again, have no idea what you're talking about here. Focusing on what?

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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    You have many objections to what you perceive to be reality.

    Experienced marketers know that objections are just unanswered questions. You don't understand how it works so it all seems wrong to you.

    In future you might want to ask questions instead of insulting the people you hope will provide you with the knowledge you need.

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    • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      You have many objections to what you perceive to be reality.

      Experienced marketers know that objections are just unanswered questions. You don't understand how it works so it all seems wrong to you.

      In future you might want to ask questions instead of insulting the people you hope will provide you with the knowledge you need.

      Brent
      Well said.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    Originally Posted by squidface View Post


    Truely successful businesses etc focus on real products and one business
    What do you consider a "real product?" I both read and sell ebooks. Are those real?

    One business? How many different businesses and products/services does GE operate? How many products does Costco sell? I'd consider those businesses to be pretty successful.

    Coming on here as a new member then insulting everyone is making a pretty bad first impression.
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  • Profile picture of the author melvinsh
    Most people here are experimenting, of course you have some people knowing they are selling garbage but do not care just to make some money.

    You learn from what doesn't work, took me few years to get where I am but I never would sell garbage just for money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
    Originally Posted by squidface View Post


    Truely successful businesses etc focus on real products and one business.
    I'm sorry, I don't agree necessarily and...
    tell that to Sir Richard Branson, Donald Trump - and a whole slew of business men and women who have more than one successful product or business.

    Some people are very good at multi-tasking and can focus successfully on more than one thing and actually thrive on variety. It all boils down to a few things: effective time management skills, the ability to delegate, and the ability to make quick decisions.
    There are probably more things - but those are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head.

    I think it's best if you don't try to put everyone in a box with a label - you might find you are labeling them all wrong.
    In this business, it seems to me that nothing is black and white - there are no absolutes - and the most unlikely people can become hugely successful while not seeming to be cut from the same mold as everyone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    This is quite long video but might help to change OP's perspective of one having multiple businesses and streams of income.

    Enjoy

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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    It's not about multiple streams of income. It's about them not making any money at all.

    So they hop from lilypad to lilypad, following the shiny object promise of money.

    This week it's video marketing. Next week it's LinkedIn. Last week it was Facebook ads.

    But they never stick with anything long enough to figure it out.

    It's not about having a real business at all.

    It's about a desperate rush from thing to thing in the hopes that the next one will produce a few dollars.
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  • Profile picture of the author HowToBecomeRichOnline
    I have only just entered the internet business and I must say I feel a bit overwhelmed with just one (very small and simple) site to run.
    However, I believe that at some point in time, any business owner wants to move up and forward and that means diversifying, increasing, multiplying... to get bigger and better.
    I certainly hope my business will develop in that direction!
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    • Profile picture of the author squidface
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      Originally Posted by HowToBecomeRichOnline View Post

      I have only just entered the internet business and I must say I feel a bit overwhelmed with just one (very small and simple) site to run.
      However, I believe that at some point in time, any business owner wants to move up and forward and that means diversifying, increasing, multiplying... to get bigger and better.
      I certainly hope my business will develop in that direction!
      Or you could try and build one huge branded business and sell it for millions down the road...just saying
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    so you run one business it does really well makes money and then you jump to your next "business" taking time away form your first business. Why not simply put more effort, go deeper on business one?

    Sorry, i think you are wrong here.

    "great businesses do one thing and do it well"

    Sorry but its not true.
    but there's a big difference between running a big business and making money on the side. real businesses take all your effort to run. (well and to potential) Time for other things, i have to question what you are actually doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    Does what it says on the tin.

    Offers value

    Can't be easily copied, duplicated. High barriers to entry

    Build a brand name

    Needed by people willing to spend on it

    I'd say a lot of of im'ing info./services does not fall into this

    Truely successful businesses etc focus on real products and one business.
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    hmmmm someone trying to sell his "multiple streams of income" course/system/coaching... what did you expect him to say?

    I'll pass on the vidEo though. tHX

    This is quite long video but might help to change OP's perspective of one having multiple businesses and streams of income.
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    10 busineses with 10% effort or 1 at 100%. i know which one is more likely to succeed and which will give you more free time, less stress etc. i have never some across a business that can be run part -time. Please enlighten me.

    There's nothing wrong with multiple streams of income, as a matter of fact that's how rich folk grow their net worth. I'm part of multiple opportunities and have multiple systems of my own I use to live the life I choose to live.

    It's not about jumping around, it's about adding more legs to your table of success. That way if one fails, breaks, or no longer is strong enough to support the table, there are other legs that will keep you from living in a cardboard box.

    That's all I have to say about that.
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    I guess end of the day there is no right or wrong way. But i am much more in agreement with fast lane forum that promote one branded business as opposed to running 10+ micro businesses. (in fact I know that's right) Guess it depends what you really want

    Most of you look like you sell to the consumer. Services/info etc....But in big business running several different ones at the same time won't wash.

    Let's agree to disagree.
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  • Profile picture of the author HelpingYouBeAnExpert
    Originally Posted by squidface View Post

    Churn and burn, spam and scam...?

    Truely successful businesses etc focus on real products and one business. But what i see here is people jumping into 50+ niches. having dozens of sites, jump, jump and jump into other biz opp's.

    same with advertising. Constantly spamming fb, google, social sites. There are businesses out there tat don't even advertise and run off 3 or 4 long term, big money clients. Isn't it a rate race when a business has to constantly attract new customers? i think it's a bit insane. Maybe that's me?

    Stop. What if you could make more money by focusing?

    Have THEY NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? Or is it pure ignorance/greed?
    I think it's human nature. Why millions take "free money"?? Most humans whant something for nothing or for very little, it's greed and other things. There are millions of books written about this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Get in where you fit in cuzzzz.....
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    • Profile picture of the author squidface
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      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      Get in where you fit in cuzzzz.....
      Anyone translate this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Karol Z
    A lot of people here get overwhelmed with information and can't decide which niche they want to proceed with. This results in many low quality attempts at making money, and people failing to see results. Just like you, I believe that you should focus on 1-2 different methods of earning until you feel you can handle more, while keeping the rest very high quality.
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