New design mockups for Warrior Forum

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Hi Warriors,

A few days ago I ran a poll asking if you guys would like a redesign. We got a lot of feedback and I decided to get our design team to come up with a mock up and show you guys to see what you think.

Emi from our design team worked on this mockup and I made sure he read through the entire thread to take in all your suggestions and ideas. He kept all the functionality and in my opinion has done an amazing job.

We'd love to hear your thoughts...

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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    I like it. Looks very relevant to the smartphone/mobile era. Nice font. Seems less cluttered. Also, I like the scalable design architecture. Makes future design updates easier.
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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    Looks nice Thanks for not making a radical change
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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
    I like the layout. It's much more "breathable" than the previous one. I'm guessing it's more mobile-friendly as well?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    I too think it's good...

    Sleek looking... Definitely looks modernized...
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  • Profile picture of the author NK
    It looks great! Could use a little bit more touch up, for example the new article forum / want an image in your signature / affiliate program database links below. Feels a little odd having it like that but that could be just me
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  • Profile picture of the author ADVERTHEORY
    Hey Alaister

    Upgrade your membership...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by ADVERTHEORY View Post

      Hey Alaister

      Upgrade your membership...
      haha I already have all the memberships.

      It's just part of the design that Emi made :p
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  • Profile picture of the author Alast
    Where is the "Member Contests & Challenges" section. I like the design, but not if it's going to change the placement of sections which are fine as they are, IMO.
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    • Profile picture of the author EmiFreelancer
      Hey guys,

      Emi here, I designed these mockups.

      The sections and threads won't change, the only reason why they're not on the mockups is because I was just showing how things would look and feel. These mockups are just to give you an idea of the possible forum design, there will be no changes whatsoever to the sections.

      cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Alaister,

      I like that. It'd take a little getting used to, but only a little. And I think it could work in a responsive format, which the place has needed for a while. Does it while keeping the tone and feel of the traditional Warrior formats.

      I notice a few sections missing at the bottom. I hope that's not a sign of planned changes. (Never mind. Emi answered that.)

      Are you planning to remove the "Thanks" button?


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      • Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Are you planning to remove the "Thanks" button?
        Actually, keeping it, and also adding a "No Thanks" button, now that would be something, wouldn't it?

        It might discourage all the stupid fly by troll comments as Warriors would be able to quickly vote them down, and as we post, we would all make more of an effort to not post short snarky remarks etc, in fear of getting a "no thanks."

        So basically you'd have a "x number of thanks - x number of no thanks" count under your name.

        Ok, I'm getting carried away. But no, they should not remove the thanks button.

        That would be a really dumb move as it is part of the culture here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Its also possible that the new owners really dont care about what their users want.
          That's far from the impression I get. I could be wrong, of course, but I'm going with what I've seen so far.
          Nearly 2 people said no to a redesign for every 1 person who said yes. Yet here ware are looking at mockups for a redesign.
          While it has always been the case that the opinions of the members were a big part of some decisions, they have never been the deciding factor. I don't see that changing.

          The good of the group as a whole has always been the overriding point in any decision. That is driven by what the owner wants the group to become. It was true with Allen and it will be true with new owners.

          If they lose sight of that, they'll be told quickly, and in concrete terms.

          It's useful to keep in mind that the folks who dislike a thing tend to be far more vocal in their expression than those who like it or who just don't care either way. It's never good to entirely believe that what you hear is the whole story.


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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            Kids... Its a design change for goodness sakes... a fresh coat of paint... whats the big deal?

            Lets look at this pragmatically for a second... this forum is run on vbulletin 3.8 or something and the current version is 5. I am sure they are going to spend the extra bucks and upgrade to the mobile version. Is it possible that in doing so the old layout is no longer possible?

            Maybe the Poll question that should have been asked is "Would you like a new similar layout that is mobile capable?" I am sure that may have brought about a more desirable response!

            I am guessing the reality is this... Lets look at a quick timeline.. the current owners have been after this for 3 years. Alan inside of those 3 years went from a point of no, I don't want to sell - well maybe - ok I'll sell. So at the "Well Maybe" point he was probably looking at what he could do to increase the value of what he has.

            He starts making changes... Core members bombard him with e-mails that the changes suck and they wont come back... He wants to keep as many members as he can at this point and keep everyone happy... so he drops the idea ( smart business ) Its not that they didn't work... its the fact it was more harm than good for Alan's short term goals!

            So here we are now with new owners ( like that really makes a bit of difference really ) and they want to upgrade from 3.8 to 5.0 and maybe throw in a iOS and Android App. The only issue is that the overall look is going to change a bit. Nothing is going to be lost. Nothing overall is going to really change, and the back peddling starts!

            Plain and simple, the upgrade is good for the people that run the Forum. The upgrade is going to be good for those that use the Forum. The upgrade is good for those that will be drawn to the Forum. Its just plain all the way around good!

            Alaister... Stop with the tip toeing around. You are not going to please everyone. you will probably please a lot more than you will piss off. Setting your self up with Polls is not a good idea. If you would just come out and say "Look, we need to change the appearance of the Forum due to a software upgrade. We will do everything we can, to maintain the overall layout and feel of this Forum. Here is a mach up of the new look.. any suggestions? By the way we will be adding this and that.

            Hope that Helps!
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            • Profile picture of the author Katie Rich
              Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

              Kids... Its a design change for goodness sakes... a fresh coat of paint... whats the big deal?
              So it is! The big deal is that people were asked if they wanted a change and for those who said NO it looks like a fait accompli. Why ask if the decision has already been made?

              The new design looks like a very faded version of the original. Some care needs to be given with the wording. 3 people HAS thanked you?

              It's going to happen, so we will just have to get used to it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alaister
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Are you planning to remove the "Thanks" button?


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        Hi Paul,

        No we'll be leaving the "Thanks" functionality.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Folks, we need to come to grips with the new reality. This place is no longer the purview of a solopreneur with a small tech staff and some volunteers that keep it running. This is now part of a publicly traded company with a market valuation of a billion dollars plus, and a legal responsibility to shareholders to turn a profit.

          That is a fundamental change.

          Things will not, and cannot, stay the same. Until a balance is achieved, there will be a tension between the goals of the new owners and the inertia of the established members. If either side blinks, the whole thing comes tumbling down.

          That would suck. For both sides.

          Wake up, people. The Real World has just impinged on our little paradise. That can be very good or very bad, but WE choose that. No-one else.

          If you stand to benefit from the success of this forum, it is probably not in your best interest to play hardball. That applies as much to Freelancer as to any individual member.

          Adapt or don't, but don't blame anyone else for the consequences of your choice.


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          • Profile picture of the author datingworld
            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            Hi Paul,

            No we'll be leaving the "Thanks" functionality.
            Good,

            Thanks Button is a beauty of this forum and it helps to ascertain the reputation of members. Keep this functionality alive.

            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Folks, we need to come to grips with the new reality. This place is no longer the purview of a solopreneur with a small tech staff and some volunteers that keep it running. This is now part of a publicly traded company with a market valuation of a billion dollars plus, and a legal responsibility to shareholders to turn a profit.
            Exactly,

            The forum is in different hands now and we cannot force them to make changes or not. I don't see any reason behind some moaning on redesign.


            I like the design and will be welcoming more positive changes with time as long as the current functionalities are kept alive.
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          • Profile picture of the author flyingdutch
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            Folks, we need to come to grips with the new reality. This place is no longer the purview of a solopreneur with a small tech staff and some volunteers that keep it running. This is now part of a publicly traded company with a market valuation of a billion dollars plus, and a legal responsibility to shareholders to turn a profit.

            That is a fundamental change.


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            I fully agree with that one. The design looks already much more "2014-like". I guess that the last sentence in your quote should read "That is part of a fundamental change.", because now I'm curious about the functional changes.

            Just one minor point concerning the image that is used for the book club. My last book used the same image. Was done as a fiverr job. Concerning the HUGE profits someone makes on a fiver gig, I doubt that they buy stock images for $3 or $5. When I published it, someone pointed out that this was the same image that Amazon uses for one of there own free guides. I don't know if someone has the exclusive copyright for this one. Anyway, I decided to change my cover. But I may suppose that somehow you guys have prove that you paid for that image and that you can use it without any problem. Because getting a black mark from Amazon is not something we would like here. Do we?

            Regards and keep up the good work.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
            Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

            This is now part of a publicly traded company with a market valuation of a billion dollars plus, and a legal responsibility to shareholders to turn a profitl
            I understand that 100%, as do most people, but what made this forum even tempting to buy was the revenue it was bringing in and the amount of active members, etc....

            If the new owners, do what most corporations do, for example, many times when new leadership comes in, old leadership is fired, even if they did an awesome job.

            Changing things, just to change them is not what should be done. If they want this to be a change for the best, then they should only do things that will improve the forum for the long haul, and that will keep happy and bring more active members, they should test, research, do diligent homework and make sure that a change is for the best, and profitable for the grand scheme of things.

            I've worked in quite a few places where the new guy comes in and just makes changes because it's his and he wants to do what he wants to do, but they never took seriously into consideration their customers beforehand. The result always was lost revenue. And many times the business shut down. I am not saying that that is going to happen for sure, but it's the mentality and motive behind the changes that really matters, and of course it's the present owners perogotive to do whatever they want, I would, but I would do it with kid gloves and be sure it was for the right reasons.

            I for one like the newer design, it's not that, that seems to be upsetting people, I think it's the idea that the poll was overwhelmingly a NO we do not want the design to change, but it looks to be ignored, which makes the users feel as though their input is not heard, does not count, means nothing etc...

            I saw a new word recently, it really made me laugh.

            NEW WORD: An Askhole
            DEFINITION: A person who constantly ask for your advice, yet always does the opposite of what you told them!

            Another thing about public traded companies I have noticed is that they all seem to be doomed. They are self destructive in that they always are looking to profit more and more and never satisfied with making a good profit, they always want more. And are willing to do whatever it takes to do it, unethical things, unmoral things, things that hurt their employees, or those that their business or product is supposed to help etc....

            I hope this does not turn out that way....

            I look forward to this new ownership and the improvements that will be made for the benefit of both parties, the company and it's shareholders and the members of this forum.
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            • Profile picture of the author WillR
              Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

              Another thing about public traded companies I have noticed is that they all seem to be doomed. They are self destructive in that they always are looking to profit more and more and never satisfied with making a good profit, they always want more.
              Yep, seems to be a pattern. Changes for the sake of changes.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                Steve,

                I think I'm probably as aware of the risks as most people. Possibly more than most, in some areas. There are things here most of the members have never had to deal with.

                I absolutely agree with you about the need for caution, unless the new owners want to end up setting things back a lot. Given the SEO value of the existing content here, the rate of new member sign-ups, and the large number of people who won't care about most changes, they may be willing to risk that to establish the culture they want. Assuming the existing one isn't it, which is not an assumption I'd feel at all confident about making.

                I would point out, as far as the ratios from the earlier thread, that an opinion poll isn't a binding vote. I also think it would be inaccurate to assume the prior thread reflected the opinions of the majority of the members.

                People who dislike a thing are louder than those who like it or just don't care. And most of the members won't care, unless it suddenly turns Facebook blue or some mix of flat pastels or Crayola barf.

                As far as the numbers... Of the ones who've seen this mock-up, 78% (as of this moment) voted yes to it. The voters this time had something more than a nebulous "Should we mess with your space" to decide on. And this is no more binding than the previous thread.

                I'm not arguing for or against much here. Just pointing out some things that might get missed by some folks if they're not mentioned.


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                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  I absolutely agree with you about the need for caution, unless the new owners want to end up setting things back a lot. Given the SEO value of the existing content here, the rate of new member sign-ups, and the large number of people who won't care about most changes, they may be willing to risk that to establish the culture they want. Assuming the existing one isn't it, which is not an assumption I'd feel at all confident about making.

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                  That's a really good point ... the SEO value of the content and how much the new design will affect that. As it is now, the WF comes up in a lot of searches I do, even when not specifically looking for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    I like the visual appearance, don't see a big need to change though.

    I didn't notice the problems hpgoodboy pointed out, but take his concerns into account.

    I generally tend to say that if it's not broken, don't try to fix it.
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    Why do you even bother running a poll? A few days ago you asked if people wanted a new design. The overwelming majority 62% said no to a new design. While obviously you can do whatever you like with your site my question to you is if you dont care what the Warriors say why even bother asking them in the first place?
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Why do you even bother running a poll?
      It's possible they'd already decided, and wanted feedback to give it direction. It's also possible they thought it was a good idea and figured a mock-up (which a few people suggested) would give folks more basis on which to form an opinion.

      What I see in this design is respect for the traditions of the established members, along with a layout that could be more attractive to new folks to the forum.

      Could be a lot worse than that, eh?


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      • Profile picture of the author brutecky
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        It's possible they'd already decided, and wanted feedback to give it direction. It's also possible they thought it was a good idea and figured a mock-up (which a few people suggested) would give folks more basis on which to form an opinion.
        Its also possible that the new owners really dont care about what their users want.

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Could be a lot worse than that, eh?
        If they do a redesign despite the fact that nearly 2 people said no for every 1 that said yes then that would lead me to believe that what the users want has little weight. Cant think of anything worse than that on a forum community. Just look how the OP is worded. As if people responded to the initial poll wanting a redesign. It sounds like the OPer somehow mentally blocked the fact that most people dont want it, like he simply chooses not to hear those votes. Not good if you ask me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mohammad Afaq
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      Why do you even bother running a poll? A few days ago you asked if people wanted a new design. The overwelming majority 62% said no to a new design. While obviously you can do whatever you like with your site my question to you is if you dont care what the Warriors say why even bother asking them in the first place?
      I voted no on that poll, but after seeing the mockups I voted yes.

      Sometimes a visual representation of something helps form people's opinion.

      We are humans, we are naturally afraid of change but change isn't always bad and by looking at these mockups I can see that this change is something I would like.

      I think it's great that they decided to let the community vote on the mockups so we can really see what people think about the "new" design. If people can see that the new design then they won't be voting on their fears and emotions but on the design.
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      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      Why do you even bother running a poll? A few days ago you asked if people wanted a new design. The overwelming majority 62% said no to a new design. While obviously you can do whatever you like with your site my question to you is if you dont care what the Warriors say why even bother asking them in the first place?
      Because they want to implement the changes but doesn't want to totally push the members aside, so they're trying to SELL the idea to us. When you try to sell something something to someone, but he doesn't want it, you throw him another offer that he may like better. And you keep doing it until you either find something he wants, or until you or him decide to let go and move on. It's marketing. You do it, I do it, they do it.

      The first thread showed that a majority voted no, but there was a glimmer of hope when members asked for a mock up to know what they're really getting into. This is the second offer, and judging by the new poll, they're getting better responses this time around.

      It's fine if you're against the change, but I don't think it's fair to cry foul when they try to convert more members into agreeing with it on their own free will.
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    I like it. Neat and simple
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
    I also do not see any reason to change but if it make the site more mobile friendly then keep it as close to now as possible or really annoy everyone and make huge changes?
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  • Profile picture of the author SteveFinch
    The look of the mock-ups work in my opinion, and users thoughts or fears have clearly been respected. None of us can or should ask for more than that.

    As savidge4 said, some people are going to give you stick, no matter what you do or suggest and they'll be vocal about it. But so far, I like the new features you're introducing, such as last nights WAMA. It was fun and informative. Likewise with the mock-ups. I'm not sure how anyone can have a problem with them.

    Onwards and upwards mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author ppcmanager
    I noticed that searching previous posts by members using username is not supported since past few days. Was it also part of the new architecture/functionality?
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      Originally Posted by ppcmanager View Post

      I noticed that searching previous posts by members using username is not supported since past few days. Was it also part of the new architecture/functionality?
      I also noticed that.

      Are there changes happening there?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alaister
        Originally Posted by GlenH View Post

        I also noticed that.

        Are there changes happening there?
        This is something that happened with the moving of servers to Amazon AWS. We're looking into fixing this.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nail Yener
    The layout seems fine but the blue. I like the blue the current design has for links. It's kinda one of the identities of the forum. I didn't like the new blue. Actually I would keep the current design. I am curious... Why are you changing it? What are you aiming with this change? Did you previously get feedback from users that wanted a change in the layout?
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    My questions is, what is the reason for the re-design? I've not yet heard that.

    To me there is really not much to be gained by changing the look to the one shown above.

    As someone else mentioned, you ran a poll and the majority of your members said they prefer to keep the current design. You need to remember a forum like this lives or dies on its members. Alienate them and they will go elsewhere.

    Asking for opinions is one thing... but you then need to listen to those opinions.

    To me it just seems you want to change the look for the hell of it. I see no real benefit with the design posted above. It just appears to me like someone has bought a new toy and wants to put their own stamp on it. That's fine and you can do whatever you want but just remember this forum is all about it's members. If you make them feel alienated or their opinion doesn't count then they will stop coming here. Running a poll where majority said no and then turning around a few days later with design mockups kind of slaps the members in the face. There's no point us answering polls if they really mean nothing.

    Of WAYYY more importance to me;

    1. Get the site mobile responsive. In this day and age it is ridiculous that we are still running on a desktop only website.

    2. I noticed the hello bar is now being used to advertise WSO products. You will want to think carefully about that. Do you expect people to want to send traffic over to their WSO on this site only to have your hello bar at the very top of the page advertising some other product? No way. You need to stop that or you'll kill the WSO section very quickly.

    In fact the hello bar should really be disabled from showing in the WSO section at all. It's a paid forum section and if you want us to keep paying for those listings then we shouldn't be competing with your own offers shown right at the top of the page, whether they are for a webinar or anything else.

    Again, I think these are all things you would learn if you took more time to see how the community is being run rather than being in such a rush to just make all these changes and call it your own. Well, that's how it looks from where I am sitting anyway.

    Take a leaf out of Hostgators books. They got bought out last year, changed a whole lot of things right away and hundreds (if not thousands) of customers (including myself) jumped ship. They'll never be the company they once were because of it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

        They've brought some much-needed, renewed energy and resources to the table. I think we owe it to them to focus on the positive aspects of the changes and less on being adversarial about them.
        Exactly. Every change they've made so far has been positive and for the benefit of the members. They just need to scrap all those shady "whoever can add the most zeros wins! " type WSOs.
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        • Profile picture of the author brutecky
          Originally Posted by Michael Meaney View Post

          They just need to scrap all those shady "whoever can add the most zeros wins! " type WSOs.
          Its a little off topic but I dont see the WF ever censoring WSO's at all, no matter who owns it. Once you start censoring WSO's you are in effect endorsing the ones who get past the censor process. This, Im sure, is not something that the WF would want to be seen as doing.

          Here is the thing. The Warriors decide what kind of WSO's get put up. If people would stop responding (buying) these kids of WSO's then they would soon vanish.
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          • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
            Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

            Its a little off topic but I dont see the WF ever censoring WSO's at all, no matter who owns it. Once you start censoring WSO's you are in effect endorsing the ones who get past the censor process.
            No, it is not an endorsement. Some offers are clearly inappropriate and are never approved. Other offers cannot be verified so they may be approved.

            Example: How to Make $1000 With Child Porn Videos of Your Kids

            That will obviously (I hope under new mgmt) not be approved.

            Example: How to Make $1000 With Our Underground Craigslist Strategy

            That one is buyer beware. Just because a child porn offer is rejected does not mean the forum is endorsing or vouching for the Craigslist strategy.

            All media exercise moderation of what advertising they allow. As you inappropriately and sensationally call it - censoring. TV, radio, newspapers, magazines, etc. That does not mean they endorse the advertisements appearing therein.

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    • Profile picture of the author glennshep
      Yes, I like the mockup. My impression is that it's likely a responsive design (which is needed) whilst keeping the basic feel of the current design.

      I do prefer the look of the current design, but if we need a change in order to make things responsive then it has my vote. As I've said before, if it's change simply for change's sake then I don't see the point.

      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      My questions is, what is the reason for the re-design? I've not yet heard that.

      To me there is really not much to be gained by changing the look to the one shown above.

      As someone else mentioned, you ran a poll and the majority of your members said they prefer to keep the current design. You need to remember a forum like this lives or dies on its members. Alienate them and they will go elsewhere.

      Asking for opinions is one thing... but you then need to listen to those opinions.

      To me it just seems you want to change the look for the hell of it. I see no real benefit with the design posted above. It just appears to me like someone has bought a new toy and wants to put their own stamp on it. That's fine and you can do whatever you want but just remember this forum is all about it's members. If you make them feel alienated or their opinion doesn't count then they will stop coming here. Running a poll where majority said no and then turning around a few days later with design mockups kind of slaps the members in the face. There's no point us answering polls if they really mean nothing.

      Of WAYYY more importance to me;

      1. Get the site mobile responsive. In this day and age it is ridiculous that we are still running on a desktop only website.

      2. I noticed the hello bar is now being used to advertise WSO products. You will want to think carefully about that. Do you expect people to want to send traffic over to their WSO on this site only to have your hello bar at the very top of the page advertising some other product? No way. You need to stop that or you'll kill the WSO section very quickly.

      In fact the hello bar should really be disabled from showing in the WSO section at all. It's a paid forum section and if you want us to keep paying for those listings then we shouldn't be competing with your own offers shown right at the top of the page, whether they are for a webinar or anything else.

      Again, I think these are all things you would learn if you took more time to see how the community is being run rather than being in such a rush to just make all these changes and call it your own. Well, that's how it looks from where I am sitting anyway.

      Take a leaf out of Hostgators books. They got bought out last year, changed a whole lot of things right away and hundreds (if not thousands) of customers (including myself) jumped ship. They'll never be the company they once were because of it.
      ^ I think Will has nailed it, I agree 100%.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidaclark
    I think it looks good but more like a wordpress site than the traditional warrior forum.
    Go for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Love the flat design.. big improvement imo.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasOwen
    I've not been on the forum too long, but really like the look of the suggested revamp. Has a very clean, modern look to it. As mentioned above, its a wise move by the new owners to involve the members in which direction the forum is moving!
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  • Profile picture of the author dee4d
    The new layout maintains the original design as much as possible while supporting access by mobile gadgets. I believe that when the few issues are polished up, the change'll be better!
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    Looks good. An evolution of the current design. Gets my vote .
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    [breathes a huge sigh of relief]

    While I still see nothing wrong with the current design, I'm relieved that the mockup is not a huge departure from it and the colors haven't been changed visibly.

    Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

    Its also possible that the new owners really dont care about what their users want.
    Seriously ... if that were the case, we wouldn't even recognize the WF after re-design. That's clearly not the case here, and I'd be the first to say that I hated the mock-up if it were a big departure from the current version.
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    super sexy... i'd marry that any day!
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  • Profile picture of the author joaquin112
    Why do you want to make this site responsive? The overwhelming majority of IMers access the site on a desktop computer. Making a site responsive and changing the whole layout just for the hell of it is wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I haven't seen anyone in "authority" say that this design is responsive or mobile friendly. That was mentioned by several posters that may know but also may just be guessing.

    Is it?

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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I like the new potential design! It's clean and crisp and more modern looking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I wonder who will be the first to post a "how to profit from the New Warrior forum" WSO?

    I really don't care about design. I'm more concerned with the direction the forum is headed.

    I'm starting to feel like a number.

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      I really don't care about design. I'm more concerned with the direction the forum is headed.

      I'm starting to feel like a number.

      Brent
      What number do you feel like and what did you feel like before WF was sold. I feel like the same outspoken but open minded member that I've always been.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    Alaister,

    It's very nice-looking! I think it looks similar to iOS, but that's not a problem at all.

    It's basically the same theme, but 'updated'. I like it.

    And to all the people who say "why the change?" ... this sounds like the old, "Why do they spend money on building new stadiums/parks/etc. when there are children starving on the streets?" complain, and I don't think they'll all of a sudden drop the plans to change the design and fix other things. And why can't the two (changing the design & improving the functionality) be done at the same time? From what I hear, Freelancer.com is a big company, so they probably have the resources to make it possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Lover
    I voted yes for the change, no for the design mockup.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Stewart
    I like the cleaner look. Is it responsive? Responsive would be better since we all like to access the forum from multiple devices.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I like the new mock up, looks nice and clean. As long as functionality is maintained or improved I've got no issues with it.

    Another thing I thought I'd mention, there are currently over 31,000 active users on the site this morning, of which 3,000 of them are registered users. The reality is, most people are not going to read this thread and most people are not going to give feedback in this thread.

    We haven't heard from the majority, not even close.

    The owners have asked for feedback from the members in this thread and it's good to see the wide variety of feedback and constructive criticism from the members here. Thank you everyone for keeping it civil.

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    • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
      Hey Alaister,
      the new design looks pretty nice and clean to me.

      Devid
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        What number do you feel like and what did you feel like before WF was sold. I feel like the same outspoken but open minded member that I've always been.
        Same here, except change the open minded member to closed minded. lol.

        Actually, I was against a redesign because I've seen drastic redesigns over the years in other cases but I like it. It's subtle. Definitely keeps its identity.

        I understand some backlash, but I really don't think Freelancer spent 3+ Million without realizing that the only way they can profit off of this community is through us. Without us, it wouldn't be worth anything.

        Now, I do hope that you guys test out the design and monitor differences in analytics. Time on site stats per device would be an important one.
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    • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post


      We haven't heard from the majority, not even close.
      The wisest understatement of the year. After my vote it is 59 yes and 14 no.

      I voted yes.
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  • Profile picture of the author pl256
    Not a bad mockup but the first thing I noticed was the grammar which will need attention. Re. "3 people has thanked you for this useful post".
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim3
    It's so similar to the current design it hardly seems worth effort but kudos to you for asking for opinions Alaister.

    Personally speaking, as long as the functionality stays the same the layout and colour scheme are largely irrelevant, but I did vote yes to the new layout.

    My point being that any website that changes things that are very familiar to regular users are both annoying and frustrating, unless anything must be changed for the greater good it is best left alone.

    My only suggestion would be a more visible search button at the top of each page so that new members can actually see it easily, thus (hopefully) preventing many similar threads being posted, as I believe forums can be pretty overwhelming for newcomers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Millbrath
    I like it, but I think I like the current design more.
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  • Profile picture of the author AbdullahKaragoz
    I think the new design mock-up looks better, but it's almost the same as the old one.

    But you plan to remove some categories like "internet marketing producs reviews" and "social media marketing" etc.?

    Like some others mentioned, I suggest to improve the search functions: make it easier to be seen by newbies, and make it very easier and quicker to search on the forum, even with advanced settings.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    "I have a very bad feeling about this" - Luke Skywalker, Star Wars

    When I survey my customers, which I have done quarterly for nearly 15 years, I always do what the majority votes for. I wouldn't ask the question if I wasn't going to take action based on their answers. Just sayin' ... Agree w/Paul's point re perspective is helpful on who owns the place, different responsibilities vs solopreneur; hopefully it all gets sorted out in a way that doesn't corporatize/muck things up. But based on Every single post buyout I've seen things invariable get worse. Hope this time it's different though.
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      To me it just looks like a natural progression and we should not even be having this conversation. It looks like they are just sprucing it up a bit.

      If Allen did the same thing, no one would comment, we would just look at it and say to ourselves, "Oh, Nice" and move on.

      It is like buying a new house, put some new paint here, trim a bush there, maybe some new curtains. Just seems like a waste of a thread to me

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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Henry Ford summed it up best...

    "If I had asked people what they wanted," he said, "they would have said a faster horse."

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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
      It was a lousy question to begin with... "Would you guys like to see a redesign of Warrior Forum?" Yes / No?

      I don't even remember what I voted.... Probably "No" because I, like a lot of people, am fairly literal. When someone asks me if I would like to see a redesign.... and I have never given it any particular thought... I might just answer "no" its not on my list of priorities. Why ask someone to spend money on something that has little to no value to me.

      Were they to ask me if I would mind a redesign that had, as a significant benefit, effective mobile integration, I WOULD definitely say YES!

      I have not gone back and reread the thread either, but I seem to remember that a lot of the discussion was about FIRST fixing some of the architecture issues that result in poor performance.

      Things seem better lately and I assume that the new owners feel like they can manage two projects at once.

      Bottom line for me... I hope I answered "Yes" before and if I didn't, I'd like to revise my vote.

      Gotta run....

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      • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
        Being honest. I'll be back no matter what they do to the forum. Change the colors, upgrade, do this, don't do that...

        It makes no difference.

        Like most forums (or any journey)...

        What you really find...

        is what you bring along.

        I'll bring my attention, curiosity and experience...do what I always do...check out the interesting threads, ignore the areas of no interest and participate or not as I choose.

        So fellows, do what you want to do, you'll always have at least one member. HA!

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  • Profile picture of the author bwh1
    That design is fine, no big changes so our surf habits will not be molested.

    About the ones which still complain about changes, Paul made a great point.

    Allen did run this by passion, but he is zipping Martinis somewhere and is not in charge anymmore.

    New owners are running this asset on sales and profit figures.

    There is no higher priority to a financial interested owner than improving profits, and that always comes with changes (planned for improving things, not always the case).

    To make this a positive experience, a takeover plan usually hires the ex-owner into Management for a few month as he "know's" the company from the inside out.

    He is somehow the middleman between what the new owners want and what is possible to do without hurting the sales figures.

    At least Allan would be my consultant if I would owe the WF today.

    I think that Alaister does a fine job till now asking whatever they like to get feedback with. This is 99% done to backup already existing decisions and not to start a new idea.

    This is no democracy, but you as member will have a voice to express yourself.

    I've decided to stop to moan and see in what direction it will go from here.

    It's a bit like TV, if you ain't like the program, switch the channel. Freelancer also knows this, you bet.

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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    One of the best redesigns I've seen.

    I don't normally like people redesigning forums I use, but I'll maybe make an exception in this case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    I like the design; very smart. My only concern is that "Mind Warriors" isn't there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Maybe Alastair and Company have been lurking on this marketing forum and have taken to heart the oft-cited "test, track results, tweak, test again" method of maximizing the ROI of this forum.

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  • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
    As long as they don't close down the Off Topic forum, I don't really care about the re-design.

    The old design looks OK and works pretty good. The new design looks OK and probably works well also.

    So, all good.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Mobley
      I didn't see an Off-Topic forum in the new layout. I'd better start saving the parts I liked the best before it goes away.

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      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      As long as they don't close down the Off Topic forum, I don't really care about the re-design.

      The old design looks OK and works pretty good. The new design looks OK and probably works well also.

      So, all good.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Steve Wells View Post

        I for one like the newer design, it's not that, that seems to be upsetting people, I think it's the idea that the poll was overwhelmingly a NO we do not want the design to change, but it looks to be ignored, which makes the users feel as though their input is not heard, does not count, means nothing etc...
        They didn't change the design yet, they're taking another poll, this time displaying a mock-up of a proposed new design. That's a far more relevant poll then asking people to vote on a new design without showing the design. This time, the majority like the new design.

        Different poll, different results, though neither poll has enough respondents to say a "majority" is for or against a new design. The majority don't seem to care enough to vote if the number of respondents is any indication.

        Seems to me they do value member input or they wouldn't post a mock-up and another poll.

        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        I like the design; very smart. My only concern is that “Mind Warriors” isn't there.
        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        I didn't see an Off-Topic forum in the new layout. I'd better start saving the parts I liked the best before it goes away.

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        The designer said these sections are not going away, they're just not being shown in the mock-up.
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          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          The designer said these sections are not going away, they're just not being shown in the mock-up.
          Phew. If they shut that down I bet a lot of posters would jump ship for good if they did (myself included).
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            Could be a huge opportunity.

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            Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

            Phew. If they shut that down I bet a lot of posters would jump ship for good if they did (myself included).
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            • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
              Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

              Could be a huge opportunity.

              WhateverOffTopic.com

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              What, and have all you bums infesting my site? :p
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        Originally Posted by Joe Mobley View Post

        I didn't see an Off-Topic forum in the new layout. I'd better start saving the parts I liked the best before it goes away.

        Joe Mobley


        You're right. All those music threads, the punfests, the jokes and more - all possibly gone forever.

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  • Profile picture of the author christophercuna
    I like it. It doesn't stray too far from the original and looks more "modern"
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    The future is always in motion.

    And with the vast infusion of what Freelancer.com brings to the table... it would be sheer insanity NOT to take advantage of that.

    People complained mightily about FB changes over the years.... changes that ended up becoming staples in the current FB experience.

    I for one welcome bringing this forum structure into the 22nd century.

    Side note - my techy heritage from Bell Labs and ksh hacking and sendmail.cf rewriting and Sparc Station 690 building loves the fact that a tech company bought the WF instead of a strictly marketing company. Imaging being able to bridge the gap between

    Tech folks ==> understanding marketing

    Marketing folks ==> understanding more tech

    A dream of mine, perhaps.....
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  • Profile picture of the author midolyon
    That's a really nice design, you did a great job in making the forum more futuristic and clean
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  • Profile picture of the author Riggs
    I like both designs, I just wish the forum template was coded to adopt a high resolution friendly full monitor width. Considering how much text content many Warriors browse through daily, I expect the user-friendly convenience of less scrolling would bode well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andre Slater
      Very clean looking I like that you didn't change it, but cleaned it up...

      If it works as smoothly as it does now I am all aboard
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  • Profile picture of the author DotComBum
    New design is nice and I like it, the current design is a VB 3.8 design and it's so outdated.
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  • Profile picture of the author chickenfillet
    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    A few days ago I ran a poll asking if you guys would like a redesign. We got a lot of feedback and I decided to get our design team to come up with a mock up and show you guys to see what you think.

    Emi from our design team worked on this mockup and I made sure he read through the entire thread to take in all your suggestions and ideas. He kept all the functionality and in my opinion has done an amazing job.

    We'd love to hear your thoughts...
    Here are my thoughts:

    I voted "NO" to the first poll you did, but now I voted "YES" and here is why: Because you didn't drastically change the look and feel of the forum, you just made it look better, which is fabulous. You have a great designer, if only vBulletin would have your designer. I thought you were going to drastically redesign the forum, so it would look like a blog commenting platform like XenForo (which looks horrific).

    It looks great BUT: Would you PLEASE change the color of the grey to a darker grey, my eyes are in pain when I read the grey text. Oh, and the blue link color in the new design should be closer to the old blue link color.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    I can't understand this new trend away from 3D. I hate flat design. One of the most fascinating things about modern computing is it's ability to add dimension to what is otherwise a 2D flat surface. Ask the gaming industry how they'd feel about going back to 2D gaming. The graphic effects of a real button sticking up out of the page is not only aesthetically pleasing but an important navigational aid.

    3D and other tactile elements are entirely missing from flat design and the world is far poorer for it. It just doesn't make sense to remove all the design out of something, replace it with flat pieces of colour and call that "modern" or even a "design" - let alone a "re-design". If anything, it's a "de"-design. It removed elements of design and replaced it with flat colours. That's not an improvement in my opinion.

    Flat design is something we had to use back in the day when bandwidth was thin and images were a luxury and had to be small. Now that bandwidth is much fatter (and getting fatter) designers should be free to make even more use of images and 3D to provide depth, volume and a "feel" that brings forth new design in a richer way. Stripping the 3D out of a design is (in my opinion) a design crime. It's a trend which doesn't make sense to many and I'm no Luddite when it comes to design. I love and am fascinated by design but when I see flat 2D "design" I don't see design - I see lazy short-trend driven designers desperate to justify their existence, a flat sketch with single coloured geometrical shapes. Yuk.

    And of course along with the flat disease comes it's ever present partner in design crime - the light grey font. Light grey font has no place in a reading place like this. The eye (when reading) needs contrast and the more the better. If full black is too harsh then one shade towards charcoal is about as far as you can go before it really starts to affect the eyes. Please reconsider the use a light coloured grey font against a grey font.

    3D vs 2D is one thing but when it comes "why change the design?" I have to agree with others. Why? If it's an economic decision than playing with the design would an unnecessary element of financial risk (as is the new advertising bar). If a re-design is because of a need to "stamp your mark" as a company and mark the start of a new era then that also should be weighed against the financial harm it could do to change things around for no good reason. This isn't like a flashy new page for a downloaded product. This is a place that people come to stay and read and they/we/I like things to be familiar and undisturbed (too much).

    Everything must be geared toward the visual and making this easier not more difficult or unsettling. Removing 3D and making the font harder to read sound like very risky propositions to me. There are very good, sound financially responsible reasons to leave everything as it is until you can make a solid and sensible decision taking everything into account including how it will impact even one member (who speaks up - others will just stop coming back).

    Yes, we are that fickle and we have a right to be. We come here to enjoy, read and learn. If it's not that enjoyable or it's harder to read or we're being distracted by change while we're trying to learn - we'll just leave. And the reason why that upsets us (me) so much is that we really like it here and we like the way it looks and works.

    It's not about people kicking up a huge fuss over something small and none of the nay sayers need to chill or be told to "move with the times". This is a matter that drills down to the very essence of what this place is and deals with the fundamental question of "why do people come here?". We come here to read. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I spend more time here than I do anywhere else (apart from my own websites). It's a daily ritual and I take the way my eyeballs are treated very seriously. There's a reason the overwhelming majority of books are black text on white paper.

    There are forums that I just can not visit despite how good their content is because the layout, colour scheme or even font colour puts me off so much that I can't focus. There are no visual 3D clues, some strip out underlines from links and use very subtle colour change for a link while others just like changing things around.

    We're all very much addicted to coming here. To disturb even one single pixel without carefully considering why and how could not only be very financially risky but a shame and sadness for my eyes. I'll tolerate or consider some minor changes but you don't pull your race car in for new paint while it's winning a race. You let it keep winning and this forum is winning - be very careful what you change. Sometimes doing what we think is cool ends up dropping kerosene into the cake mix and it only takes one drop (one thing to really piss a member off) and they're gone.

    I know what many are thinking "Bill, we wouldn't miss you or the other whinging members" and of course 1 member out of 100,000 might be not too much of a loss...unless you're that one member.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by whateverpedia View Post

      Phew. If they shut that down I bet a lot of posters would jump ship for good if they did (myself included).
      Shh . . . we don't want too many folks to know it's the best part of the forum.


      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      I can't understand this new trend away from 3D. I hate flat design. One of the most fascinating things about modern computing is it's ability to add dimension to what is otherwise a 2D flat surface. ...snip...
      It's the "buzz" right now, and one that I won't be embracing. In a year or three, whenever people get tired of it and move back toward design depth, all those flat designs are going to look outdated.
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      • Profile picture of the author chickenfillet
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Shh . . . we don't want too many folks to know it's the best part of the forum.




        It's the "buzz" right now, and one that I won't be embracing. In a year or three, whenever people get tired of it and move back toward design depth, all those flat designs are going to look outdated.
        I liked the way Windows Vista looked. Windows 8 in comparison is put to shame. I loved all the hype around Windows Vista because it looked so darn good. I also hate flat looking sites. The Mockup looks good, but gradients would make it look even better IMO.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Shh . . . we don't want too many folks to know it's the best part of the forum.

        It's the "buzz" right now, and one that I won't be embracing. In a year or three, whenever people get tired of it and move back toward design depth, all those flat designs are going to look outdated.
        Well for once I'm in with the trend. I hate 3D design for a talk forum. This ain't a gaming forum where 3D is expected. It's for black and white discussions on business topics and the current format facilitates that quite well, without loading the forum down with fatter design elements.

        The person above mentioned bandwidth as if there's an abundance of it going around. I live in the country and I appreciate a lean design. I don't have a fast connection to the Internet, and I'm not the only one that doesn't.

        Aside from bandwidth, I like the look of a flat design over a 3D design for a forum. Google just went from a shadowed logo back to the flat design they started with. I think it's an improvement, although I don't consider Google to be innovators when it comes to design :p
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        • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Well for once I'm in with the trend. I hate 3D design for a talk forum. This ain't a gaming forum where 3D is expected. It's for black and white discussions on business topics and the current format facilitates that quite well, without loading the forum down with fatter design elements.

          The person above mentioned bandwidth as if there's an abundance of it going around. I live in the country and I appreciate a lean design. I don't have a fast connection to the Internet, and I'm not the only one that doesn't.

          Aside from bandwidth, I like the look of a flat design over a 3D design for a forum. Google just went from a shadowed logo back to the flat design they started with. I think it's an improvement, although I don't consider Google to be innovators when it comes to design :p
          Yes, I do understand that not all of us have massive bandwidth to play with (I'm on less than 100 KB/s quite often as I also live in a regional area) and I wasn't really suggesting that this site be turned into a 3D extravaganza. I'm actually very into lean design with optimised images but I think removing the little tactile bumps and curves of a site and it's buttons and flattening everything is a unintelligent design move, removes all natural 3D elements, is counter productive (as far as user experience is concerned) and backwards step in design.

          I just don't want to see this place take the lazy design option. All the children are doing flat design these days because they think it's trendy. Get a serious designer who understands all elements of design and they'll chuck spears at a flat design in my experience.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Well for once I'm in with the trend. I hate 3D design for a talk forum. This ain't a gaming forum where 3D is expected. It's for black and white discussions on business topics and the current format facilitates that quite well, without loading the forum down with fatter design elements.

          The person above mentioned bandwidth as if there's an abundance of it going around. I live in the country and I appreciate a lean design. I don't have a fast connection to the Internet, and I'm not the only one that doesn't.

          Aside from bandwidth, I like the look of a flat design over a 3D design for a forum. Google just went from a shadowed logo back to the flat design they started with. I think it's an improvement, although I don't consider Google to be innovators when it comes to design :p
          That's fine, we each have our preferences. I'm not really into the heavy 3D look. Most of my designs involve subtle gradients and subtle light effects. It just looks better to me, but of course, that's just my opinion.

          If you know how to optimize graphics well there's not enough difference between what I do and flat colors to fuss about as far as file size and bandwidth go.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anton Louis
    That looks so much better! I can't wait for it to be implemented.

    Thanks for switching the hosting (I haven't received an "error connecting to database" message in the past week) and for modernizing the theme. It's definitely improving my experience here
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    I voted no in the original thread because I thought there were more important issues. The most serious of those seem to have been resolved, at least from my own experience.

    I also wrote in that thread that I was open to changing my vote.

    After reviewing the mockups, I'm changing my vote. Subtle changes that, to me anyway, make the forum interface the same but better. The functionality stays in the same places, with the same general layout, but seeming easier for some reason.

    I like it. This time I voted yes...
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      I voted no in the original thread because I thought there were more important issues. The most serious of those seem to have been resolved, at least from my own experience.

      I also wrote in that thread that I was open to changing my vote.

      After reviewing the mockups, I'm changing my vote. Subtle changes that, to me anyway, make the forum interface the same but better. The functionality stays in the same places, with the same general layout, but seeming easier for some reason.

      I like it. This time I voted yes...
      I do hope they spell check it thoroughly by someone who uses English as their primary language before it goes live though.
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      • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        I do hope they spell check it thoroughly by someone who uses English as their primary language before it goes live though.
        LOL on that.


        I'd like to see them fix a few things that are broken before they start redesigning, like the basic search function and the "find more posts by:" search. I just tried one for Suzanne and all i got was about 250+/- from 2008
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

          LOL on that.


          I'd like to see them fix a few things that are broken before they start redesigning, like the basic search function and the "find more posts by:" search. I just tried one for Suzanne and all i got was about 250+/- from 2008
          Yep. I just tried it for a spammer and got everything but his posts.
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    Definitely like it.
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    I was looking to see if Lexi has been around the other day and came up with nada, then stumbled across a post. Also went looking for a particular WSO, couldn't find it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Stirling
    I like it. Flat design.. however there is nothing wrong with the current design.

    But I guess you guys want to keep it modern so yeah go for it. I'd like to see it on here!

    Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

    LOL on that.


    I'd like to see them fix a few things that are broken before they start redesigning, like the basic search function and the "find more posts by:" search. I just tried one for Suzanne and all i got was about 250+/- from 2008
    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

    Yep. I just tried it for a spammer and got everything but his posts.
    Yes I have noticed that too! Thought there was something wrong with it! lol

    That would have to be a priority..


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