by GGpaul
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Hey guys,

I'm sure you guys can relate. I've been going through this lately, and it's been a bit of a challenge. I feel as if I have all the skillset in regards to online marketing to take ownership. The problem I have is, what am I going to offer? As far as business wise. Product? Service? Etc. etc. Sure, the basic question is "What do you have a passion for, what do you like, etc.?" But what if there's more to it than just having a passion for something? I don't know, I'm overthinking this and like someone had told me "Just do it."

But was wondering if there's anyone else out there that feels the same way, where they know they have all the skillset to have ownership of a business, but yet they just don't know exactly what it is they want to sell/offer.

Just having a tough time with this and I'm hoping I can overcome it in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author RichardF
    Oh yes, I often feel like this. What works for me is to just don't try to force anything, because that will cause me to not follow through. If I have no inspiration, no good idea at the moment, I let it be. Eventually something that makes me enthusiastic comes along and everything is suddenly much easier.

    You've got to ask yourself WHY you're doing this. Is it just the money? The prospect of a "free" lifestyle? For some those reasons might be enough, personally I need the actual work to be satisfying too.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
    I think EVERYONE has the problem, one time or another. Even after 14 years I get stuck. Not that time makes a difference, just saying, even doing it for some time, you can still get stuck. Well, least I can.

    I don't think it's exactly a "what you have a passion for", but more, what's been said on this forum so many times, helping people solve their problem. There are posts on this forum every single day, people needing help with "something". Maybe you can solve a problem.

    Another thing I've come to realize is, how I can get through things I am stuck on, could also help others who are stuck on the same thing. I recently came up with a great product idea that stemmed from helping myself do something, which I know will help others.

    Well, just my thoughts
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          When I am starting a project that I am "Unsure" of I use a simple little exersice, that physically represents the money potential of the idea. What you will need is 2 glass' or jars, a stack of pennies, and a stack of nickels.

          Anytime you doubt your ability, put a penny in a jar. Any time you think you can move forward with the project put a nickel in the other jar. Sounds silly I know. but the pennies represent the value of holding back and money lost. the Nickels are there to show you the potential profit by moving forward!

          Needless to say for the first few weeks your pennies will out number your nickels. However there comes that "Point" the turnaround where you see the light at the end of the tunnel.. and the nickels start piling up.

          Hope that Helps!
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        • Profile picture of the author Joseph Villanueva
          Being an online entrepreneur is a lot of simple trial and error.

          If you want to be on track it is important to invest on a mentor like someone hiring a champion bodybuilder as your personal trainer. Find a mentor that has proven results and copy their exact steps.

          Then follow these steps:


          1.) Learn.

          This is the stage where everyone is in buy mode, confused and not sure what to do.

          You get a little overwhelmed and frustrated, but at a certain point you get wise and choose a direction.

          2.) Action

          This is the phase where you start applying the knowledge and training.

          Eventually you start seeing some results and you build upon your wins. Now you have knowledge people will desire to learn.

          Specialized knowledge is power.

          3.) Teach

          This is where you do training, webinars, blogging, FB posts and share your knowledge.

          You get branded as an authority, people seek you out, your income starts to boom.

          It is as simple as 1,2,3 really. There are some learning curves but you will learn
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Can someone ban that person.

    Anyways, yeah I don't want to force anything. I think once I overthink it, it slows me down even more.

    Thanks for the responses guys. I just hope one day that I'll overcome it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I could make a blog, but how profitable can a personal blog be? Unless I'm mistaken? Someone prove me wrong.

    A colleague of mine made a point : Let's say you have a personal blog let's say in fashion. You have literally a 10 year span or even less. Afterwards, people no longer follow you. Trends fall, you no longer have that "look. This could be the case for other niches as well.

    Which goes to owning an actual "business." But that too can only have a 10 year span. Sigh, I have no idea what I want to offer. As you can tell my mind goes everywhere. Dangit guys, I just need to do it...
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Your Colleague made a point, sure. To be honest an invalid one. I have a site dedicated to the Las Vegas market, the site is now 14 years old. It has its ups and downs, but it still produces. As things change, your site changes, what you write about changes, yes who follows you today will be different than who follows you 10 years from now, but the fact remains if you work on keeping your content current and up to date, you will not loose relevance with who is reading it TODAY

      PUT A PENNY IN THE JAR

      How profitable can a personal blog be? I have what once was a static site, and now a blog for the past 5 years on Halloween. It averages out across the year to produce about $1000 a month 60%total comes in during Sept and Oct obviously. That site btw has been up for coming on 9 years.

      PUT A PENNY IN THE JAR

      "Dangit guys, I just need to do it..."

      THERES THE NICKEL!

      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      I could make a blog, but how profitable can a personal blog be? Unless I'm mistaken? Someone prove me wrong.

      A colleague of mine made a point : Let's say you have a personal blog let's say in fashion. You have literally a 10 year span or even less. Afterwards, people no longer follow you. Trends fall, you no longer have that "look. This could be the case for other niches as well.

      Which goes to owning an actual "business." But that too can only have a 10 year span. Sigh, I have no idea what I want to offer. As you can tell my mind goes everywhere. Dangit guys, I just need to do it...
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        Your Colleague made a point, sure. To be honest an invalid one. I have a site dedicated to the Las Vegas market, the site is now 14 years old. It has its ups and downs, but it still produces. As things change, your site changes, what you write about changes, yes who follows you today will be different than who follows you 10 years from now, but the fact remains if you work on keeping your content current and up to date, you will not loose relevance with who is reading it TODAY

        PUT A PENNY IN THE JAR

        How profitable can a personal blog be? I have what once was a static site, and now a blog for the past 5 years on Halloween. It averages out across the year to produce about $1000 a month 60%total comes in during Sept and Oct obviously. That site btw has been up for coming on 9 years.

        PUT A PENNY IN THE JAR

        "Dangit guys, I just need to do it..."

        THERES THE NICKEL!
        That alone is just a personal blog on HALLOWEEN too? That's awesome. Now, has there been a profitable PERSONAL blog making 5k-10k a month for a year over year consistent basis.
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  • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
    The value of a blog is in its reach. A lot of popular tech blogs are now big successful companies. Tech crunch runs off of a wordpress installation!

    If there is a lucrative customer base (community) and you can attract them repeatedly to a site, then that has value if you know how to leverage it.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
    Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

    But was wondering if there's anyone else out there that feels the same way, where they know they have all the skillset to have ownership of a business, but yet they just don't know exactly what it is they want to sell/offer.
    One of the best 'sighs of relief' I had throughout my worst struggles was knowing that I wasn't alone.

    And I realized that once I connected with some people who were at an 'elite level of life'

    So answering your question, there are plenty of people in a similar situation.

    Nowadays I see a helluva lot of talk about success, success, success...

    Personally, I have always connected best with those who talked about struggles.

    It's unfortunate you don't see as many raw and transparent stories today...
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by jamescanz View Post

      One of the best 'sighs of relief' I had throughout my worst struggles was knowing that I wasn't alone.

      And it wasn't until I connected with some people who were at an 'elite level of life' until I realized that.

      So answering your question, there are plenty of people in a similar situation.

      Nowadays I see a helluva lot of talk about success, success, success...

      Personally, I have always connected best with those who talked about struggles.

      It's unfortunate you don't see as many raw and transparent stories today...
      Yeah I want someone to be REAL with me and I've met those. Those that have had businesses in the past and not EVERYTHING is ALWAYS great. They've gone through trial and error, and a bunch of mistakes and yet they overcame it. Those are the ones that I want to talk to and learn from
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      • Profile picture of the author The Game Changer
        I just started my second venture into internet marketing.

        The first was an epic failure because my niche that I chose was hard to pitch to. What products could I sell that the consumer wanted?
        So once I developed a community, I tried monetization from advertisements alone. This did not work out, I needed a good product to sell.

        Now I am having more success with my new niche because I chose one that has a lot of products that people want to buy. Instead of just advertisements alone, I am combining affiliate links + advertisements.

        My combo that I am using right now that I like is

        Monetizing advertisements: Google AdSense + Chitika
        Monetizing affiliate links: Amazon, Linkshare and Commision Junction (CJ)

        For getting traffic and community building, here is my strategy.
        1) Yahoo Answers
        2) Adwords
        3) Fiverr
        4) Craigslist Forums
        5) Using other peoples lists (paid)
        6) Starting to build my own list

        Depending on what strategies I use above, my overhead can be between only $13.25 a month up to $43.25 (Including hosting and domains)

        As you can see by my extremely low overhead, being an online entrepreneur is one of the dirt cheapest businesses you can start up. Not only are they dirt cheap in comparison to other brick and mortar startup businesses, there is also the possibility of massive profit.

        That massive profit part I still have not experienced, and I don't plan on giving up, so I will report back when I am there.

        Good luck!
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by The Game Changer View Post

          I just started my second venture into internet marketing.

          The first was an epic failure because my niche that I chose was hard to pitch to. What products could I sell that the consumer wanted?
          So once I developed a community, I tried monetization from advertisements alone. This did not work out, I needed a good product to sell.

          Now I am having more success with my new niche because I chose one that has a lot of products that people want to buy. Instead of just advertisements alone, I am combining affiliate links + advertisements.

          My combo that I am using right now that I like is

          Monetizing advertisements: Google AdSense + Chitika
          Monetizing affiliate links: Amazon, Linkshare and Commision Junction (CJ)

          For getting traffic and community building, here is my strategy.
          1) Yahoo Answers
          2) Adwords
          3) Fiverr
          4) Craigslist Forums
          5) Using other peoples lists (paid)
          6) Starting to build my own list

          Depending on what strategies I use above, my overhead can be between only $13.25 a month up to $43.25 (Including hosting and domains)

          As you can see by my extremely low overhead, being an online entrepreneur is one of the dirt cheapest businesses you can start up. Not only are they dirt cheap in comparison to other brick and mortar startup businesses, there is also the possibility of massive profit.

          That massive profit part I still have not experienced, and I don't plan on giving up, so I will report back when I am there.

          Good luck!
          I'm not looking for a marketing strategy.

          I'm looking as in finding myself / figuring out a business that I can get going.
          Sure, I can be an affiliate for something but is there really a long term success to it? I've met online marketers that OWN something like an actual DATING site, or an actual AGENCY, or an ECOMMERCE where they sell their OWN product.

          That's what I'm trying to figure out...
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          • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            I'm not looking for a marketing strategy.

            I'm looking as in finding myself / figuring out a business that I can get going.
            Sure, I can be an affiliate for something but is there really a long term success to it? I've met online marketers that OWN something like an actual DATING site, or an actual AGENCY, or an ECOMMERCE where they sell their OWN product.

            That's what I'm trying to figure out...
            Why is there no long term success in affiliate marketing? That is one of, if not the oldest business models on the net. There are ALWAYS new products and services to promote as an affiliate. If you pick the right market, you'll never run out of customers or products to sell.

            There will always be people wanting/needing to lose wright. There will always be people looking for love. There will always be people wanting to make money. There will always be people with health problems. Well, think you get the point.
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            • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
              Originally Posted by Ron Killian View Post

              Why is there no long term success in affiliate marketing? That is one of, if not the oldest business models on the net. There are ALWAYS new products and services to promote as an affiliate. If you pick the right market, you'll never run out of customers or products to sell.

              There will always be people wanting/needing to lose wright. There will always be people looking for love. There will always be people wanting to make money. There will always be people with health problems. Well, think you get the point.
              True. I don't know if you notice but I think it's me psyching myself out. I just got to pick a niche and do it. Pick multiple if I have to.
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              • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
                Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

                True. I don't know if you notice but I think it's me psyching myself out. I just got to pick a niche and do it. Pick multiple if I have to.
                I was very tempted to say that in my last post, but I didn't want to seem rude. "Seems" to much negative, doom and gloom. I mean that in a helpful, suggestive way.

                Believe me, I know exactly what your thinking, I've been there MANY times.

                It is also called doubt and I've doubted myself so many times over the years and probably will again in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
    I think this is a PERFECT example of why it can be tough to work for yourself. You don't have some one like a boss telling you what to do, you gotta do it all on your own. You also don't have that, "I need to do my work or I won't get paid" thoughts either.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by Ron Killian View Post

      I think this is a PERFECT example of why it can be tough to work for yourself. You don't have some one like a boss telling you what to do, you gotta do it all on your own. You also don't have that, "I need to do my work or I won't get paid" thoughts either.
      Actually, I do have a 9-5 where I am an SEO associate for a ecommerce clothing company . I just had an hour meeting with my boss, WHO I LOOK UP TO, where I told him I don't want to be in a corporate world soon as MUCH as I LOVE my job. And he completely understood, and was just trying to give me suggestions as far as what route I can take. But even then, it still didn't help me figure out what type of business I want to own after transitioning from this 9-5 to that
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        If you look at what I am have been saying... I have a site that focusses on this, I have a site that focusses on that. I don't have all of my eggs in one basket. I have multiple baskets. About 20ish right now. I have people I talk with that run 100 sites, and make a killing doing it.

        I had a site years ago that sold bulk CD's not such a market for that anymore. It became a feeder to a bulk DVD page I have, that over the last few years has transitioned into more a blu-ray page. Now with 4ktv's and upcoming players this fall, that will change again. ( this would be a good example of the 10 years playing out and adapting your existing online properties to meeting the needs of the day. )

        The point in all of this. Start with something now, develop a system to building a site, getting traffic and selling product. Once that process is in place, then start replicating. I personally stay with topics that interest me. I write somewhere in the neighborhood of 40 articles a week across all my sites. I send out 16 e-mails a week. I write write and write.

        If I can have a page on Halloween averaging $1000 a month, imagine what the vegas page does... imagine what my 4khd pages do. ( started early with the 4khd pages, and its paying off nicely now )

        Long term stability is about running a business that has "Products" not a "Product" Yes I have 20 or so sites but they are simply Departments of my company, not companies within themselves!
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Let me throw this at you... Do you think that maybe your entry into self employment is right under your nose? Does the company that sells clothes that you are currently a SEO associate happen to have an affiliate program?

          here is a site that I own and run. Its been up for just shy of 3 months. Its an affiliate site. I haven't even began writing articles for it yet, all of its traffic comes from $5 a day with facebook advertising campaign. It is producing $1000 a week in commission. www.soccerdynamic.com.

          Would be a great way for you to start!
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          • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
            Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

            Let me throw this at you... Do you think that maybe your entry into self employment is right under your nose? Does the company that sells clothes that you are currently a SEO associate happen to have an affiliate program?

            here is a site that I own and run. Its been up for just shy of 3 months. Its an affiliate site. I haven't even began writing articles for it yet, all of its traffic comes from $5 a day with facebook advertising campaign. It is producing $1000 a week in commission. www.soccerdynamic.com.

            Would be a great way for you to start!
            It'll be a conflict of interest if I were to do that since I'm hired under them. So you do invest $$ into ads and not just solely on organic traffic?
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            • Profile picture of the author savidge4
              I do a transition, I start with ads and then work my way into organic. If the idea is to make money and you have a site with 4600 products.. why wait?

              I thought that may be the case. but what stops you from affiliating with the competition?

              Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

              It'll be a conflict of interest if I were to do that since I'm hired under them. So you do invest $$ into ads and not just solely on organic traffic?
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              • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
                Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

                I do a transition, I start with ads and then work my way into organic. If the idea is to make money and you have a site with 4600 products.. why wait?

                I thought that may be the case. but what stops you from affiliating with the competition?
                Not sure to be exact. I guess cause i want to "fully" own a product. If that makes sense. None of this 15 % 20% commission etc.

                But I don't know we'll see. I should definitely drop that nickel.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe J
        Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

        Actually, I do have a 9-5 where I am an SEO associate for a ecommerce clothing company . I just had an hour meeting with my boss, WHO I LOOK UP TO, where I told him I don't want to be in a corporate world soon as MUCH as I LOVE my job. And he completely understood, and was just trying to give me suggestions as far as what route I can take. But even then, it still didn't help me figure out what type of business I want to own after transitioning from this 9-5 to that

        Why don't you start coaching people how to be an ecommerce clothing company affiliate or SEO specialist.

        I didn't notice if you said your boss runs an affiliate program or not but if he did then Bingo for both of you. If not, change the niche to shoes or something similar to clothing and teach people in that niche.
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          Originally Posted by Joe J View Post

          Why don't you start coaching people how to be an ecommerce clothing company affiliate or SEO specialist.

          I didn't notice if you said your boss runs an affiliate program or not but if he did then Bingo for both of you. If not, change the niche to shoes or something similar to clothing and teach people in that niche.
          Dude that's true..I can teach people a targeted niche which is ECOMMERCE and fashion. I know a lot of people here in LA have a bunch of clothing line start ups and want to grow their business.

          Thanks for the advice!
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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            You can start with me. that soccer site is a beast and I am having issues wrapping my head around how to SEO the product itself.

            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            Dude that's true..I can teach people a targeted niche which is ECOMMERCE and fashion. I know a lot of people here in LA have a bunch of clothing line start ups and want to grow their business.

            Thanks for the advice!
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            • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
              Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

              You can start with me. that soccer site is a beast and I am having issues wrapping my head around how to SEO the product itself.
              I'll PM you tomorrow .
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      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      How old are you?
      27. Why wassup?
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  • Profile picture of the author thatjc
    I haven't read all the many posts above, but for me it always comes back to refocusing on how to help people and defocusing on "making money".

    Of course just "helping" doesn't necessarily provide financial gain. That's all about providing "Value" - whatever that is.

    Discovering what "Value" is in your context is where Market Research comes in. That is, finding the market niche where you are uniquely qualified to provide helpful value and where there is a strong need for your help.

    I've no doubt that concentrating on "making money" either just won't work, or turns into a "job" instead of something you actually enjoy doing.

    Hope this helps....

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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I've been getting PM's though from people offering their service as far as teaching me online marketing. I just want to clarify to others that I have a lot of experience with it, and that's not the issue. The issue is just figuring out what am I going to offer to buyers/customers/users etc.
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