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by ktlasm 38 replies
Greetings...

Fellow WF friends...simple question.

What is the single thing which earns major cash for all the "guru's" and how can we copy per se???

Peace & Tranquility
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  • Profile picture of the author dv8
    Weird question.

    There is no SINGLE thing. But to play along, a single thing could be.....they take action or testing. Pick one. Vague answer though. But......

    Not a good question imo. There is no one single thing that makes them rich.

    Just pay attention to what they DO, not necessarily what they say. When they are saying something with their right hand, watch what they are doing with their left.
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    • Profile picture of the author ktlasm
      Dv8,

      My friend, the question was meant to be as it is...The aloof manner in which it's posed is to cause us(you) to narrow down essentially what you feel is the best way or perception of how the "guru's" earn money. It wasn't meant to be ummmmm, taken so serious per say..lol.

      Thanks my friend..
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
      Originally Posted by ktlasm View Post

      Greetings...

      Fellow WF friends...simple question.

      What is the single thing which earns major cash for all the "guru's" and how can we copy per say???

      Peace & Tranquility
      As DV8 said, there is no ONE SINGLE thing that brings them tons of money each day. However, since you want one common denominator behind the "gurus" I would have to say
      to network with others, preferably "heavy hitters". Joint Ventures with "heavy hitters" where you will be giving them a bigger commission than your regular affiliates (if you have an affiliate program) is the way to go. Even ONE JV partner could put tons of cash into your pockets. Communication is KEY here. You need to build relationships with the right people and then leverage their time and efforts to help you succeed.

      Originally Posted by dv8

      Just pay attention to what they DO, not necessarily what they say. When they are saying something with their right hand, watch what they are doing with their left.
      This is VERY GOOD advice, pay attention to it. Pay MUCH closer attention to what they are actually DOING and NOT what they are saying. Sadly, many IMers tend to lead you in circles, selling you an onslaught of products which sell you more products, etc. Think back end sales. Watch how they do it and then apply what you learn to your business.

      Good Luck!

      Peace & Prosperity,
      Matt Fulger
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      • Profile picture of the author ktlasm
        Matt...Well said my friend... For the record..I do know it isn't "1" thing...lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Kyle Tully
    Originally Posted by ktlasm View Post

    What is the single thing which earns major cash for all the "guru's" and how can we copy per say???
    That's easy.

    Become an expert in your chosen niche, learn through your own trial and error what does and doesn't work, spend years of your time and thousands of dollars of your own testing... then profit from your work.

    Then, and only then, package up everything you know and sell it as a system to others.

    If you think there's a shortcut go and read part 2 of Sylvie Fortin's Internet Marketing Sins report.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Sandquist
    Originally Posted by ktlasm View Post

    Greetings...

    Fellow WF friends...simple question.

    What is the single thing which earns major cash for all the "guru's" and how can we copy per se???

    Peace & Tranquility
    Answer Part 1: Sending their offers to their bloody great big email lists.

    Answer Part 2: Copy them by building your own bloody great big list and emailing your offers to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
      Originally Posted by Mark Sandquist View Post

      Answer Part 1: Sending their offers to their bloody great big email lists.

      Answer Part 2: Copy them by building your own bloody great big list and emailing your offers to it.
      You left the most important part out of the equation there:

      Answer Part 3: Align yourself with Giveaway site owners and offer up a product. Funnel new leads through a Squeeze Page to collect said product. Now you are well on your way to building that "bloody great big list" referred to in Answer Part 2.

      Peace & Prosperity,
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    Originally Posted by ktlasm View Post

    Greetings...

    Fellow WF friends...simple question.

    What is the single thing which earns major cash for all the "guru's" and how can we copy per se???

    Peace & Tranquility
    The simple answer? Offer bloody tuna to a large number of hungry sharks in a way that starts a feeding frenzy.

    Here's how one charter captain does it...

    1. Anchor the boat up-current from a channel frequented by large sharks.

    2. Butterfly an oily, smelly fish like a little tunny (bonito) and hang it off the rear of the boat to start a scent trail in the current.

    3. Start chumming with additional bits of food, using just enough to attract attention and start the feeding urge.

    4. As the sharks are spotted, offer larger chunks of bait, but not enough to satisfy the feeding urge.

    5. Throw out a larger chunk of bait - with a hook in it.

    Hmmmm...

    Setting up where quarry is known to travel... Starting a feeding frenzy by offering teaser baits... Finishing with an irresistible offer with a hook in it...

    Remind you of anyone?
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    • Profile picture of the author marxwarfor
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      The simple answer? Offer bloody tuna to a large number of hungry sharks in a way that starts a feeding frenzy.

      Here's how one charter captain does it...

      1. Anchor the boat up-current from a channel frequented by large sharks.

      2. Butterfly an oily, smelly fish like a little tunny (bonito) and hang it off the rear of the boat to start a scent trail in the current.

      3. Start chumming with additional bits of food, using just enough to attract attention and start the feeding urge.

      4. As the sharks are spotted, offer larger chunks of bait, but not enough to satisfy the feeding urge.

      5. Throw out a larger chunk of bait - with a hook in it.

      Hmmmm...

      Setting up where quarry is known to travel... Starting a feeding frenzy by offering teaser baits... Finishing with an irresistible offer with a hook in it...

      Remind you of anyone?
      Spoken like a true hunter!! Very well said John - great metaphor!!

      Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author MaskedMarketer
      If you can create a "cult like" following of customers that repeatedly buy from you like Kern, Pagen, Vitale, Stompernet and others.... You might see success..
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      • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
        I've worked with many 6 and 7 figure gurus and have done extremely well as a result. In simple language here is exactly what they do.

        1) They find a rabidly hungry market to get in front of - a market that is actively buying. Very important. These markets are often sub-niches of the evergreen markets: make money, lose weight, find love, etc. Contrary to most advice you see, the most money gets made in high competition markets. Why? Because the buyers are rabid - they can't get enough.

        2) They stand up and get themselves noticed. They understand that human nature is to follow a leader, so they *choose* to be leaders of *impact* through writing, speaking, multimedia, etc. In other words they make a choice to lead BIG, not small, thus creating a "cult like" following as another poster mentioned. (hint: this is the seed for it all)

        3) They constantly monitor what their market fundamentally WANTS and then design ALL of their communication, products and services to speak *directly* to that. Note: just like a good politician, you rarely see a guru go "off message".

        4) Above all else, *everything* they do is centered around sales and marketing. Specifically they create and test sales and marketing funnels that lead their customers in, usually starting with a small purchase that strategically leads to larger and larger purchases.

        5) Finally they leverage their association with others who are also standing up and getting noticed (joint ventures) and thus get themselves even more noticed.

        There are many other components that come into play when you look deep into the typical guru operation. But these are the fundamental and critical elements in my experience.

        Ken
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        • Profile picture of the author ktlasm
          Could this be summed up by saying..First to the market with value, WINS?....Hmm!
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          • Profile picture of the author ktlasm
            I guess so....
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          • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
            Originally Posted by ktlasm View Post

            Could this be summed up by saying..First to the market with value, WINS?....Hmm!
            In my experience it has nothing to do with being first to market, although in a perfect world that would be ideal. But if you think about it, the number of truly "new" markets are few and far between.

            If I were to summarize I would say that guru-type success is about five things:

            1) Visibility - absolutely vital and the key to guru status
            2) Quality - important but not as critical as visibility believe it or not
            3) Fundamentals - proven sales and marketing, functional products and services
            4) Consistency - important to stay visible and keep selling
            5) Market share - this is really the reward for all of the above

            Ken
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
      Originally Posted by TOPGUN08 View Post

      I would never dream of copying a "guru". For one thing I dont like them and the rubbish they create and I do my own thing. I dont copy what others do.
      Julian,

      It's your prerogative not to like the gurus, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. These guys make millions, they do a helluva lot of things that can be learned from.

      As quite a few are Warriors, why not take your own advice. Here's a quote from a post you made just a few minutes ago:

      Originally Posted by TOPGUN08 View Post

      theres always something new to learn and this is probably the best place to learn.
      Peter
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      • Profile picture of the author callmestrip
        their email lists...

        good email promotions

        good at getting subscribers

        its all about the email lists
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        • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
          A quality product, an irresistible offer, and an affiliate program.

          If you have that not only can you generate large amounts of cash fast you can also build your own targeted email lists fast.

          The key is having your own affiliate program.
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          • Selling purchaser leads to coaching companies...

            Maybe just straight email promotions, thats probably the easiest.

            You'd be surprised what varies for each marketer.
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            Money isn't real, George. It doesn't matter. It only seems like it does.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffrey Louis
    The best thing to make money is to have a responsive mailing list. With a responsive mailing list you can create products that they want and will buy.

    It is also so important that you are trusted and considered an expert in what you are selling.
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Providing something of high perceived and hopefully real value that a hungry market genuinely wants and hopefully needs as well.

      A "guru" wouldn't even create that product or service unless he knew he had easy economical access to the hungry market he intends to sell to.

      Ultimately servicing a market is a bit like a magician's trick.

      You find a market and you work out some way you can give them back many times more value than they have to pay you for your product or service.

      You make money by helping others make or save a pile of money.

      The biggest key to success though is to appeal to the emotional side of your prospects so they'll actually buy.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
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      • Profile picture of the author ktlasm
        So...my conclusion based on what I've seen thus far is....LIST?..hmm...Interesting once more..
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        • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
          Nyah!! your question is very simple. All of the methods, all of the systems, all of the activities in the internet is focused on one thing and one thing alone..

          All of the sales copy, all of your contents, all of the search engine optimizations, even your website is built for one focus...AND THAT IS TO ATTRACT ME!

          You heard it right..TO ATTRACT TRAFFIC. That is the secret. There's only one, others are just icing on cake.

          even your post here is focused on one intention, to attract me. Otherwise who will answer your post.

          In the grander view of things. Who will buy the best selling ebooks, who will make this guru's rich. No one else except the people that generates traffic to their site.

          Hope I enlighten you on this.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ken Preuss
            Originally Posted by rapidscc View Post

            Nyah!! your question is very simple. All of the methods, all of the systems, all of the activities in the internet is focused on one thing and one thing alone..

            TO ATTRACT TRAFFIC. That is the secret. There's only one, others are just icing on cake.
            Wow do I disagree with you on this one. Attracting traffic is not the secret by any means.

            In fact attracting traffic is really a by-product of effective sales and marketing.

            To prove it consider this.....

            In order to get traffic from joint ventures or affiliate marketing, a "guru" must be visible, impactful and have solid products or services that sell effectively. Otherwise they won't secure or maintain any joint ventures or affiliates. Thus traffic is a by-product.

            In order to get solid traffic from adwords, a "guru" must not only know how to convert well with adwords (few do) but must also have consistent funds to maintain such a campaign - funds from effective sales of their products and services. Thus traffic is a by-product.

            These are just two examples but you get the idea.

            I might further add that traffic in and of itself means n-o-t-h-i-n-g. Traffic only matters if you can convert it. I can't count the number of times I've seen people post saying "I'm getting thousands of visitors a month to my site but no sales."

            Once again, this requires a sales and marketing funnel that leads someone in and extracts money from them in ever-increasing amounts.

            Folks this is what gurus do. To re-phrase what someone else on this thread previously stated...

            Stop doing what they say and start doing what they do.

            Hint: there's no secret to what they're doing......it's right in front of your eyes.

            Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Originally Posted by ktlasm View Post

    Greetings...

    Fellow WF friends...simple question.

    What is the single thing which earns major cash for all the "guru's" and how can we copy per se???

    Peace & Tranquility
    Selling stuff
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    • Profile picture of the author ktlasm
      Scott,

      ..lol.. It's that simple huh????..lol. Classic!
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  • Profile picture of the author susansan
    As others have stated, there is no one thing. But there are a lot of the right things. Here are some ideas to get you started (and keep you busy for a long time )

    (in no particular order)

    1. PPC/Banner Ad Marketing
    2. Article Marketing
    3. Joint Ventures
    4. Affiliates
    5. Email Promotions (always offer something in exchange for your visitors email address)
    6. Press Releases
    7. SEO
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
      Pay attention to Ken. He knows what he's talking about (or he's a good faker...lol).

      Stop doing what they say and start doing what they do.

      Hint: there's no secret to what they're doing......it's right in front of your eyes.
      That's what I'm talking about. Everything the gurus do is in plain view. If you have bought products recently, take a look at why you bought them. What buttons were pushed to make you pull out the wallet?

      What was the sales process? What did they do after your purchase? Did you buy any of the upsells? If so, WHY?

      It starts to become clear when you actually pay attention.
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  • Profile picture of the author askandyouget
    I would have to say a Million-aire attitude. I would suggest that you read "The 12 Pillars of Success"
    Good Luck!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Spencer
    Originally Posted by ktlasm View Post

    Greetings...

    Fellow WF friends...simple question.

    What is the single thing which earns major cash for all the "guru's" and how can we copy per se???

    Peace & Tranquility
    Systems that work for the person not the person working in the system.

    These people have invested time and money and each one has a different system. "Copying" isn't the thing to do since you won't have access to everything they do on the backend (behind the scenes).

    Develop your own system and draw it on paper. Visualizing it is a great start to testing, tweaking, and improving!

    Cheers,

    Brad Spencer
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I'd offer my two cents but Kyle gave the best answer in this whole thread
      and doesn't need to be expanded on in any way.

      Way to nail it Kyle.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
        As others have said, I don't believe you can boil it down to
        a single element of the process BUT...

        If I had to narrow it down to one single thing that is a surefire
        predictor for success it would be this...

        Forget the quality products... forget the JV's... forget the
        excellent marketing systems and funnels... they're all the natural
        and predictable result of one thing...

        Ultra-successful people have one thing in common... a burning desire
        to succeed that is so profound and deep-rooted it almost defines who
        they are.

        It is that burning desire to succeed which leads them to learn and
        implement the skills required to fulfill their dreams.

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        If you knew what I know you'd be doing what I do...
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  • Profile picture of the author ktlasm
    Does creating a system really take years to do?...hmmmm!
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    I'm pretty cool if I say so myself...lol, and I know my stuff, folks. I'm 31 years old and I'm full, full, full time on the internet. No part timing around this way...I'm here because I simply enjoy spreading as much love & light as I possibly can. Check me out on facebook,& say Hi. http://www.facebook.com/kevingmadison or twitter http://www.twitter.com/kevinmadison

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    "Greetings...

    Fellow WF friends...simple question.

    What is the single thing which earns major cash for all the "guru's" and how can we copy per se???

    Peace & Tranquility"

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    Originally Posted by ktlasm View Post

    Greetings...

    Fellow WF friends...simple question.

    What is the single thing which earns major cash for all the "guru's" and how can we copy per se???

    Peace & Tranquility

    I think it's the fact they don't sit around and bitch, they don't moan, they just go out there and make things happen and take risks that most people won't. They try things, then find out what works and what doesn't then fix it for the future. Basically, they just get it going and are willing to fail fast.
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    • Profile picture of the author ktlasm
      Matt,

      What's up bro...I hope all is well...In your reply instead of "they" don't you mean "we"..lol.

      Thanks my man
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      • Profile picture of the author Rob Canyon
        Hey Matt,

        You're the best straight shooter there ever was.

        Okay everyone, this is what he means...

        Top Dollar Making Guru want-to-be's begin by hanging out with other top dollar making gurus (live events) and first and foremost be friendly, be a friend and make a friend...

        If you're hard-working and sincere, you'll grab the attention and probably begin a friendship with a guru that will want to help you because that's the way the started.

        Then, you'll enter their secret world of behind the scenes deal-making and jv brokering. BTW if you're more risk adverse and have a slower work pace than another potential guru, there's a good chance they'll want to avoid you like the plague (unless you come up to speed real fast).

        Matt... Have I got that about right...

        Cheers,

        Rob
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        • Profile picture of the author ktlasm
          I'd have to say majority of imput placed in this thread was on the money ...
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          I'm pretty cool if I say so myself...lol, and I know my stuff, folks. I'm 31 years old and I'm full, full, full time on the internet. No part timing around this way...I'm here because I simply enjoy spreading as much love & light as I possibly can. Check me out on facebook,& say Hi. http://www.facebook.com/kevingmadison or twitter http://www.twitter.com/kevinmadison

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