Can't Figure Out Why I'm Not Making Money

by Majora
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First off, sorry for another one of these threads, I just fear there may be something obvious I'm missing.

Long story short, I started trying to make money online four years ago. Since then I've made several what I thought to be good websites, to realize they never came to anything more than great learning experiences. None of the websites ever made more than $20 a month, despite hours of work every single day writing content and marketing it.

My first site was a general tech site. Niche was way too broad. Had an RPM of $5 but traffic was hard to get. Moving on, my next website was more refined, iPhone, iPad, and iOS in general. Got alright search traffic (200 visits a day) and a pagerank of 2. RPM is around $3.70 (I have no idea how good or bad this is.) Anyhow, when I realized I was working way too hard and not making enough, I lost interest. I then went on to buy an Android phone, so I'm done working with that website completely.

Anyway, fast forward another few months. I launch another website, this time in the cryptocurrency niche. Search engine traffic is well, and I'm getting up to 400-500 visits a day with very little marketing. The problem? The RPM is only $1.20 in Adsense, and there is almost zero affiliate marketing potential.

Fast forward to about a month ago. I try to launch my first non-blog website, in the insomnia niche. I write 25 or so completely unique pages on everything about insomnia and how to cure it. I leave valuable comments on over 250 articles on other websites related to insomnia. I write a very long and detailed Squidoo lens on insomnia with links pointing back to my site. I even made a YouTube channel and produced several videos to go along with the articles. This was going to be the one I thought. Nope. It's getting around 15 views a day, zero of which have come from search engines. Heck, GWT has only even updated twice in the past 20 days (I assume that means no impressions at all?)

I just simply can not figure out what I'm doing wrong. I'm willing to put in the time and effort, and I have. It's just so discouraging when I put hundreds of hours into a website, and a silly YouTube video I made one one Sunday afternoon is making more than all of my websites combined.

I'm at my breaking point. Any input or advice would be much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author entrepreneurjay
    Try building lists on these blogs and promote related affiliate products and your luck should change.

    You may want to use a lightbox popup set at 5 seconds to be displayed once for every visitor that arrives on your blogs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marked09
    You never mentioned that you collect email on your blogs. Majority of your visitors will not come back on our sites. That's the fact so If you collect their emails, you will be able to contact them again and inform them that you have additional offer or new articles published.

    If you are already building a list, are you sending them value emails and offers. A balance of value and offers is best. Don't just send free stuffs you got to offer them something that will bring you money as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Content Commando
    The majority of people suffer from "banner blindness" which is one of the reasons that adsense isn't what it used to be. I agree with everyone else. If you're not building a list, then you're selling yourself short.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    You are going about it the wrong way, you are targeting pennies from adsense. You need to create a small ebook, a teaser on how insomnia can lead to other health problems, so you can get these people on a list and sell them the "cure"

    If they find the answer on your website, then they really have no reason to come back or click anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jtraits
    it would help you a lot to start subscribing users to your newsletter and build a list. you can read a ton of how-to from this forum
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexander Mak
    Hey Majora, I can feel your frustration. First off, you didn't mention much on how you get people to know your page and get traffic. Building a list of subscriber is crucial. With a list of subscriber you can always update them with new great content. I think good content is what you already have built up in these years. Now focus on building subscriber list you should be able to see things change for good very quickly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shem MD
    Hi Majora, i do blogging too in travelling niche, got PR 4 now and made money from related affiliates( skimlinks, infolink, agoda, etc), paid guestpost, and ppc ads) and i can feel your frustration.
    i have a several question for you :
    1. Does your website seo optimized?
    2. How often you update/adding article for each of your website?
    3. Do you collect email list/ subscriber and optimized your list?
    4. Are you doing other marketing ( social media, video, ppc, etc) ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    Let me tell you that I've been blogging for years, and I've had more blogs fail than anyone I personally know haha. (I've launched several dozen, down to about 1-3 remaining).

    The truth is that blogging and building authority sites is really a roll of the dice.

    Also, it's an ONGOING gamble, because you have to continually add content, promote it, and keep it up to date.

    (The days of creating "Static" authority websites are WAY gone in my opinion).

    Do you want my honest, serious advice?

    If you want to continue with your niche sites, keep going. But be sure to build a following via email marketing.

    (Email marketing is the ONLY reason people read my blog, click my links, buy my stuff, and watch my training).

    It's something that's more sustainable, and technically requires less upkeep.

    And, instead of slaving over SEO and creating more and more content; you can spend your time entertaining your prospects.

    PS: If you still want to go the niche website route, work on building a list via your website visitors. That should be your top focus, and I would recommend adding a lightbox opt-in form ASAP.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dsdomination
    Guys don't discourage him. First of all he said he has traffic, pretty good one what he doesn't have a good set up of attention ratio and CTA.

    Get a low attention ratio to have a big CTA (Call-to-Action). You have 500 visitors each day on your house (website), but you can't keep them or determine them to click on your ads.

    I assume you have some problems also on your contexts, forms, headlines. Do you know that some people spend about 50% of their time creating HEADLINES!?

    Get rich snippets, G+ authorship and forget about Adsense maybe is not working for your website/s, try with affiliates.

    And work 1-3h per day doing Off page, on great websites. Niche forums, etc...

    Good Luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarizma
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    Originally Posted by Majora View Post

    First off, sorry for another one of these threads, I just fear there may be something obvious I'm missing.

    Long story short, I started trying to make money online four years ago. Since then I've made several what I thought to be good websites, to realize they never came to anything more than great learning experiences. None of the websites ever made more than $20 a month, despite hours of work every single day writing content and marketing it.

    My first site was a general tech site. Niche was way too broad. Had an RPM of $5 but traffic was hard to get. Moving on, my next website was more refined, iPhone, iPad, and iOS in general. Got alright search traffic (200 visits a day) and a pagerank of 2. RPM is around $3.70 (I have no idea how good or bad this is.) Anyhow, when I realized I was working way too hard and not making enough, I lost interest. I then went on to buy an Android phone, so I'm done working with that website completely.

    Anyway, fast forward another few months. I launch another website, this time in the cryptocurrency niche. Search engine traffic is well, and I'm getting up to 400-500 visits a day with very little marketing. The problem? The RPM is only $1.20 in Adsense, and there is almost zero affiliate marketing potential.

    Fast forward to about a month ago. I try to launch my first non-blog website, in the insomnia niche. I write 25 or so completely unique pages on everything about insomnia and how to cure it. I leave valuable comments on over 250 articles on other websites related to insomnia. I write a very long and detailed Squidoo lens on insomnia with links pointing back to my site. I even made a YouTube channel and produced several videos to go along with the articles. This was going to be the one I thought. Nope. It's getting around 15 views a day, zero of which have come from search engines. Heck, GWT has only even updated twice in the past 20 days (I assume that means no impressions at all?)

    I just simply can not figure out what I'm doing wrong. I'm willing to put in the time and effort, and I have. It's just so discouraging when I put hundreds of hours into a website, and a silly YouTube video I made one one Sunday afternoon is making more than all of my websites combined.

    I'm at my breaking point. Any input or advice would be much appreciated.

    Just two recommendations:

    1. No work is "enough work". The approach should be I'll make it work no matter what. Somethings require smart work and somethings require painstaking repetitive stuff. Don't start things with the goal of "making money". So things that you love and care about and the money will follow.

    2. Traffic is always the biggest concern for all of us. Before staring a venture figure out the marketing part first by reading this forum, blog posts and also following what successful marketers in the niche are doing. Once you have the marketing strategy in place and expected ROI calculated start working on building the system.

    If you need help, you can PM me.

    thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author DURABLEOILCOM
    It sounds like you do not have the right product.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
    Maybe you should aim at other keywords. The traffic though is a bit low.


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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Majora View Post

    I just fear there may be something obvious I'm missing.
    There is, I think.

    Two big things, in fact, from what you say (and keywords have nothing to do with it at all).

    Here's the first: when you're an affiliate marketer, it's not the websites that make the money. It's the emails to subscribers that make the money. If you're not building lists (and you didn't mention them at all), you're not going to earn much.

    Here's a post about the fundamentals of affiliate marketing, which may help you (it isn't only about ClickBank - the fundamental principles apply elsewhere, too): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523

    And here are three threads which, between them, explain where you're going wrong on that front, and why ...

    Is it a good idea to spend some time on building a mailing list ?

    Without Building a List, How Consistent is Your Income from Affiliate Marketing

    Does anyone even make money online without an email list?

    And here's the second thing: you haven't got a proper traffic-generation plan. Publishing content just on your own site isn't a proper traffic-generation plan, and search-engine traffic is going to be terribly difficult to monetize, in your niche.

    This might help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

    Please appreciate that although I'm sure the links above will help you, answering questions on the lines of "What am I doing wrong" is always a bit second-hand, and it's guesswork, without looking at everything someone's doing, in detail. But those two main things are certainly what strike me, from your original post. Good luck!

    By the way, the sooner you stop using Squidoo, the better. That's a "no-gain activity", compared with the better alternatives. The reasons are explained in detail in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8109462
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    • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      There is, I think.

      Two big things, in fact, from what you say (and keywords have nothing to do with it at all).

      Here's the first: when you're an affiliate marketer, it's not the websites that make the money. It's the emails to subscribers that make the money. If you're not building lists (and you didn't mention them at all), you're not going to earn much.

      Here's a post about the fundamentals of affiliate marketing, which may help you (it isn't only about ClickBank - the fundamental principles apply elsewhere, too): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7110523

      And here are three threads which, between them, explain where you're going wrong on that front, and why ...

      Is it a good idea to spend some time on building a mailing list ?

      Without Building a List, How Consistent is Your Income from Affiliate Marketing

      Does anyone even make money online without an email list?

      And here's the second thing: you haven't got a proper traffic-generation plan. Publishing content just on your own site isn't a proper traffic-generation plan, and search-engine traffic is going to be terribly difficult to monetize, in your niche.

      This might help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

      Please appreciate that although I'm sure the links above will help you, answering questions on the lines of "What am I doing wrong" is always a bit second-hand, and it's guesswork, without looking at everything someone's doing, in detail. But those two main things are certainly what strike me, from your original post. Good luck!

      By the way, the sooner you stop using Squidoo, the better. That's a "no-gain activity", compared with the better alternatives. The reasons are explained in detail in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8109462
      This ^^^

      There's something else. You aren't sticking with your projects. I suspect that's because you have no vested interest in them other than potential money makers.

      I've said it many times, it's wise for people starting out to market something they know and even love. I know the gurus say you need to find hungry buyers and the right keywords and all the rest.

      But before you can choose a market solely on profitability you need to know what you're going. And that comes by working a sound plan (as Alexa pointed out) in a market you enjoy.

      Otherwise you find yourself getting up every day and promoting stuff you have little or no interest in a drag and a chore and something you loathe. And, just as you have demonstrated in the OP, you give up on it.

      In my first online marketing ventures I promoted a couple of products based on profit and did fairly well. But the money wasn't enough because I hated writing about the topic and found all kinds of ways to avoid working. That all changed when I decided to go with stuff I know and love.

      Give it a try.
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      • Profile picture of the author Majora
        Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

        There's something else. You aren't sticking with your projects. I suspect that's because you have no vested interest in them other than potential money makers.
        Thanks for your response. I didn't mean to portray myself like that at all. I have a huge interest in all of the projects I've worked on, or at least had a lot of personal experience in the area so I had a lot of good stuff I wanted to say.

        However, there comes a time when you just can no longer work for free. I'll use programming as an example. Programmers generally love their jobs (I don't see why they'd do it otherwise, it can be extremely frustrating). However, they show up to work everyday because they get paid money in exchange for their programming skills and efforts. This hasn't been the case for me, which is why I had to give up. My biggest success was my iPhone website, which made $40 on its highest paying month. I spent thousands of hours working on this site, over two years of time. I wrote hundreds of quality articles that ranked well, but made little to no revenue. It was fun and I enjoyed it, but I could make substantially more money working minimum wage at a local business. It's just discouraging.

        Still, I believe I can truly succeed with money making online, whether it be from a site I have now or one that I may create in the future. I just feared I may be going about it the wrong way, which is the reason I posted this thread.

        Again, thank you and I value everyone's responses. They help out more than you know.
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  • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
    It's simple, do what I do, build sites targeting 1 or 2 very low competition keywords which have 5,000+ searches and build a site around it. I like to get the EMD and once you have it built, rank it then sit back with your feet up and let the Adsense clicks roll in.

    If I find a keyword with 5,000+ searches, I'll build a site just about anything to get traffic going through what I like to call my Adsense funnel.

    Targeting low comp keywords means less link building, less competition, so it will be easy. You would just need to learn what low comp keywords are and how to identify them.

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  • Profile picture of the author Majora
    First off, I'm sorry for my lack of response so far. This thread exploded overnight and I wasn't expecting it. I am extremely grateful for all of your amazing responses.

    I have been building a list for all of the websites I've had so far, with the exception of my insomnia website. On all of the websites, I haven't had much success. Not only was my opt-in rate extremely low (only made it to about 70 subscribers on my iPhone site), there weren't really many products to promote and I never made anything off of those subscribers. Half of my subscribers came in one day after a huge traffic surge when I was contacted by NBC to do a PR on an upcoming TV show that involved iPhones. Of course, these people came to learn about the show, not about iPhones so many of them unsubscribed shortly after.

    The reason I've not began creating a list for my insomnia has to do with what Alex said. I guess I made the mistake of putting all the information on curing insomnia on my website, free of charge. I did not think there would be any money to be made in this niche with my current traffic (<15 visitors a day) and little products to promote that people would actually want to buy. Perhaps I was wrong.

    Sometimes I think that a lot of my errors have come down to niche selection. It seems to me that any niche with low competition that I could build a site around has little to no profit potential, or are so refined that I couldn't make more than a 10 page website on them. All of the extremely profitable markets (health, wealth, wellness) seem like they are too competitive to have any chance of ranking in, even for long tail keywords.

    Anyhow, I really appreciate all the advice everyone has given so far. Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author dgui123451
    In all probability you are not 100% sure about the traffic sources you are using before actually using them. Look at successful blogs in your segment and reverse engineer the marketing system and repeat the same yourself – its always advisable to have the marketing plan in place before getting into a niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    Youre not making any money because youre not selling anything and you have no traffic.
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      drewfioravanti hit the nail on the head!

      Clarity is a HUGE part of IM success. I hope this post brings some clarity. It's so simple when you know it -- and darn difficult when you don't! I owe my mentors a world of thanks for bringing this clarity.

      IM is actually pretty simple: you can sell only one of two things:

      1. Products
      2. Services

      That's it!

      And selling products or services online happens in the same basic way for everyone, no matter what they're selling:

      Traffic > Opt-in page > Autoresponder series (or e-zine) > Sales page

      That's it! It's just that simple. (We IMers tend to overcomplicate things.)

      But no matter what your niche is, or whether you're selling a product or a service, do you know what your business model is?

      A business model is the framework or skeleton of your business. Essentially there are three types of online business models:

      1. Membership-based model

      A membership-based business model allows you to build a community of people (your members) who are as passionate about your subject as you are. Your membership fees can be monthly or annual, but either way, you're building recurring, passive income.

      There are a lot of resources and information out there to help you build a membership-based business if you're interested in doing this.

      2. Product-based model

      Selling products allows you to maximize your time and effort by selling items over and over again. This can be hard goods or it can be information products. Information marketing is it's own business model under the product-based model. Information marketing allows you to take your brain to the bank by creating a product ONCE based on what you know and selling it over and over again.

      Affiliate marketing falls under both models. You can choose to market either products or services as an affiliate.

      3. Service-based model

      Selling services can be great for 1) generating quick cash (as in the case of article writing or video producing) and 2) establishing your expertise and getting testimonials.

      However, in the long run, your goal should be to offer services at a PREMIUM. The biggest advantage of IM is LEVERAGE. You're able to leverage your time, money and expertise exponentially online. We all have just 24 hours each day. Time to get ruthless about what you expect for those hours you spend in IM each day. Expect more of yourself and more from your business friends, clients, partners, etc.

      What results are you getting for those hours you spend online each day? Ultimately, your services should be at the bottom of your funnel and cost the most since they involve your time and personal attention. (We all have a limited amount of time each day.)

      The fun (and confusion) comes in with all of the endless mix-and-match possibilities of the above models. If you're just starting or still struggling to make money, keep it simple:

      Pick just ONE!

      1. Pick ONE niche. (Something you're interested in and know something about.)

      2. Pick ONE target market for your product or service. (Who will buy what you're offering? The more specific you are, the more you narrow it down, the more successful you'll be.)

      3. Pick ONE business model.

      Now that you're clear about what business you're in, FOCUS! (And stop buying any info not related to your niche and target market, period!)

      F -- Follow
      O -- One
      C -- Course
      U -- Until
      S -- Successful

      And remember: build a list, Build a List, BUILD A LIST!

      In IM, it's easy to put the cart before the horse. Take a deep breath, step back and consider what type of business you REALLY want. Don't worry about getting traffic or buying that expensive traffic product until you know 1) what your business model is, 2) what niche you're in and 3) WHO your target market is!

      Successful business people will tell you that MARKETING is more than half the effort that's needed for success anyway. So pick a niche, target market and business model. Then spend most of your time and effort marketing it.

      If you DON'T have a solid plan or system, THAT'S when it's hard. A good system will shave YEARS (and save you big $$$) off of your learning curve

      That's why I recommend investing in at least one good, comprehensive IM course (or mentor who will give you such a system) instead of jumping from one $37 e-book to the next. A lot of people here complain about not being able to make any money. But neither are they willing to invest in their business. (Buying a random bunch of $37 e-books doesn't count.)

      The best thing I ever did was invest in a comprehensive IM course aimed at REAL business owners, not just other IM wannabes. Yes it was $1500. (It's no longer available.) But it was truly some of the best A-Z IM info I ever bought. Everything else I've learned (from the $37 e-books) since has simply been plugged into this system.

      My two best recommendations for phenomenal IM training programs are Ali Brown's Elevate program (ElevateBizTraining.com) and Jeff Walker's Product Launch Formula (ProductLaunchFormula.com)

      Get a solid plan or system and then work the plan!

      Hope this helps!

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        This is true.

        You WILL fail if you don't treat it like a business. Markets are saturated and getting more so everyday.
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    • Profile picture of the author Majora
      Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

      Youre not making any money because youre not selling anything and you have no traffic.
      I'd have to disagree. At my websites peak I was reaching 500 visitors a day. You're right that I didn't really have much to sell. I did promote iPad tutorial videos on all my tutorial articles and an app developing course on all the others. Other money came from Adsense and small products I promoted (cases and such).

      I'm starting to think a lot of my errors have been with my niche selection. There is simply little money to be made in the niches I worked in previously. I like Nightengale's idea of sticking to one thing only, and it's actually what I've tried doing in the past. I just seem to have a hard time finding a niche that I both enjoy and is profitable. I'm a huge techie so all of my sites in the past have involved tech in some way or another (with the exception of my insomnia site). Maybe I should try narrowing down into this further? (Computer hardware, computer security?) The problem is that it evolves so quickly that I don't know how sustainable it is. Seems like half of things I'd post would be irrelevant after only a few months.

      So many things to consider.
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      • Majora,

        Originally Posted by Majora View Post

        I'm a huge techie so all of my sites in the past have involved tech in some way or another (with the exception of my insomnia site). Maybe I should try narrowing down into this further? (Computer hardware, computer security?)
        In general, the ICT industry and its many niches are very profitable, depending on what you're doing, and this is based on our experience in the ICT industry and in a lot of tech niches for more than 9 years now...

        For just one example, which is more related to Web publishing than the other things we're doing in the ICT industry that we're focusing more of our resources on -- Check out Tech-FAQ.Com via Compete.Com -- We've been helping this site generate 40K to 50K US visitors per month for more than 7 years now...

        Originally Posted by Majora View Post

        The problem is that it evolves so quickly that I don't know how sustainable it is. Seems like half of things I'd post would be irrelevant after only a few months.
        As an example, I personally know a lot of users who still have outdated desktops and laptops running on Windows XP. They still use these outdated machines time and again even when they already have recent desktops and laptops running on more recent Windows versions. Most of these users are willing to buy solutions and services for their issues with both their outdated and recent machines, especially in English, Japanese and German markets...

        Similar issues are mostly present across different Windows versions, from XP to 8. For example -- Many users look for info on what certain file formats are, so as to determine if its safe and how to open / create / edit files in those formats, and many of them still search for info about file formats that have been around for more than 20 years now...

        Try looking closer at becoming a RevenueWire.Com affiliate -- They have many prominent software company merchants. They also have a program called CallStream, which allows you to promote tech support toll free numbers of their merchants and earn from sales generated by the tech support calls you send their way...
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    My first two successful websites were an iPad app website and an iPhone app website. Back then I was doing that typical newbie stuff of "ranking websites for keywords". I was following Pat Flynn back then. This was before Panda or Penguin...whichever it was...those sites tanked because, well quite frankly, they were crap and nothing more than bridge pages. I didn't know any better. I thought thats how it was done.

    Well, anyway, at the height of them I was making about $9K per month (combined) from Adsense, Amazon, Click Bank and LinkShare with about 4,000 visitors per day (combined).

    That crap won't fly today. But it was good while it lasted.

    The point is, you need to have something to sell and traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
    You seem very caught up on building single profitable websites? I agree with most of the advice above except "building a list". To build a profitable list you have to do all of the things you are already doing and spend for extra advertising.... which takes time!

    The way I teach people and do myself is build quick easy sites that make $1 a day. Almost all of the work can be outsourced and you can put your own spin on it as you go. You then simply scale up. Clone... spin... rank... bank... move on.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Danny Shaw View Post

      To build a profitable list you have to do all of the things you are already doing and spend for extra advertising.... which takes time!
      This isn't right at all, Danny.

      Countless Warriors are making our livings through building profitable lists without ever spending a penny on advertising.

      What a bizarre claim: having an opt-in on a page doesn't somehow necessitate using paid traffic rather than any other kind.

      I don't know where you get this stuff from, but it's really not helping anyone to reproduce it here.

      If you haven't made listbuilding work, for yourself, and you don't want to do it, that's fine, but announcing that it necessarily involves "spending extra for advertising" is frankly weird, completely incorrect, and helps nobody.
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  • Profile picture of the author Majora
    Thanks for elaborating Drew, that made much more sense.

    I guess my question now is where do I go from here. I now understand the importance of a list, and creating content in a manner that drives a sale for a product I'm promoting.

    Based on what everyone has mentioned, I feel like I should be working towards creating an authority site in a refined yet profitable niche. The problem is, the only niches that I have enough interest in to write about on a daily basis all involve tech/computers (with the exception of dating advice, but from what I've been told that's way to hard of a market to break into). Again, I'm not sure about the profit potential here. Adsense CTR on tech blogs are generally very low, and with the exception of computer hardware, and maybe an antivirus, there isn't a lot of affiliate potential either. There aren't courses, ebooks, etc. that can apply to most people, even in a well refined subniche.

    Originally Posted by Danny Shaw View Post

    You seem very caught up on building single profitable websites? I agree with most of the advice above except "building a list". To build a profitable list you have to do all of the things you are already doing and spend for extra advertising.... which takes time!

    The way I teach people and do myself is build quick easy sites that make $1 a day. Almost all of the work can be outsourced and you can put your own spin on it as you go. You then simply scale up. Clone... spin... rank... bank... move on.
    I was always under the impression that authority websites are the way to go these days, especially after the Penguin and Panda algorithm updates. Could you elaborate on how you get these sites making even $1 a day? My most profitable website which had hundreds of unique articles struggled to make more than that, so I'm interested into how you get those sites making that much, lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    If your going to use adsense or other PPC type of monitization then you are

    1) Still being WAY to general (insomnia .. what there must be like 40 million sites about it)
    2) Your putting WAY to much effort into it.

    For that kind of monitization they key is to be highly targeted in the niche / subject and to put many sites up (which means spending 2 hours not 200 hours)
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    • Profile picture of the author Robin Grant
      I would forget about AdSense unless you have huge traffic volumes and you have many sites up and running.
      Try to sell an affiliate product eg ClickBank.
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      • Profile picture of the author freeburd
        Originally Posted by Robin Grant View Post

        I would forget about AdSense unless you have huge traffic volumes and you have many sites up and running.
        Try to sell an affiliate product eg ClickBank.
        Absolutely brilliant! Exactly what I needed. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    When the smart warriors in here, keep telling you over and over and over again....like a bloody broken record to BUILD YOUR LIST! Well.... I just think it is time to LISTEN and ACT on that advice!!

    What say you sir??
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      When the smart warriors in here, keep telling you over and over and over again....like a bloody broken record to BUILD YOUR LIST! Well.... I just think it is time to LISTEN and ACT on that advice!!

      What say you sir??
      Exactly!

      But the OP has a MAJOR problem with that: he has NO CLUE what business he's really in! He has no idea what product or service he's selling and no clearly defined target market.

      And if he doesn't have that, I'd bet all the tea in China that he doesn't know how to sell to that list once he gets it.

      He's done a really good job of at least building a site and getting some traffic to it, which is more than a lot of Warriors do. So I have to acknowledge that.

      But from a "Let's make some money!" standpoint, he's still at square one and hasn't made any progress at all.

      You can't make consistent income without a list, but you can't make income without knowing how to talk to that list either.

      You must be able to do BOTH equally well.

      I just spent a hefty amount of time answering someone else's question on that very topic. If you're interested, you can see it here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post9230955

      Hope that helps!

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  • Profile picture of the author EmpireMarket
    I agree with everyone on this thread about building a list but i can understand how you feel as i have been through that myself.
    Alternatively..with such good traffic why don't you try flipping it on flippa once you lose interest? make some quick bucks
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  • Profile picture of the author MoRaitman
    Do you have a qualified mentor who has walked the talk? You just need one method and know the "how". Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Too many people I have found do NOT stick the course and keep changing direction without giving ample time for a proven method to materialize.
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  • Profile picture of the author Majora
    Words can not describe how grateful I am for all of you that have taken to help me out. The advice that's been posted so far has been invaluable. These kind of responses were exactly what I was looking to get out of this thread.

    Now that I think about it, you're completely right Michelle. I just never would've known because I was blind to the fact that I have been going about it completely the wrong way.

    When I started my iPhone website, I did not take at all into consideration beforehand what I would be promoting and how I would be promoting it. I now understand that I need to discover the market beforehand, and build a website around that rather than the other way around which I seemed to have been doing in the past.

    I did build an email list to around 70 subscribers (not that great, I know). The problem was that I never felt I could profit off of this list, because the people that subscribed only wanted to hear about the recent posts on the site or important news. I once ran a promotion for an app development course, which made 2 sales. However, the fact of the matter is that most of the people on my list had no interest in app development at all. That email broadcast link you posted was extremely helpful and I know for certain I'll be able to apply a lot of the concepts you mentioned there to my future marketing efforts.

    Anyhow, I feel the right move stepping forward is as follows:
    • Think of a niche that I'd be interested in pursuing, that I could build an authority site on.
    • Discover a specific market within this niche
    • Research products that I could promote to the market.
    • Build a site in the niche, using the product as my focus point for all articles that the product can be tied into.
    • Spend way more time marketing the site than writing content. (This was the opposite previously, with 70% of my time spent writing and 30% marketing)
    • Hopefully succeed in generating targeted traffic, leading to sales.

    If this seems wrong, please let me know. Any input you may have is greatly appreciated.

    Some possible niches I'm considering looking into include:
    • Computer Hardware / Building A Computer
    • Computer Security
    • Dating Advice For HS/College Males (demographic I'm in and I have plenty of unique things to say based on my experience, but worried about competitiveness)
    • Anxiety for high school or college students
    • Curing caffeine addiction. It's a problem I'm personally dealing with, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of search traffic nor products to sell.
    • Emetophobia. Again, something I've personally dealt with but little search traffic or products.

      What do you think about these? Again, all advice is appreciated. Thanks again!

    Originally Posted by MoRaitman View Post

    Do you have a qualified mentor who has walked the talk? You just need one method and know the "how". Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Too many people I have found do NOT stick the course and keep changing direction without giving ample time for a proven method to materialize.
    Nope, I've never had a mentor. I have been in contact with some very successful webmasters and bloggers though who have given me some great tips. I've always thought that mentors would simply try to teach me stuff I could already find somewhere else online for free. Perhaps I'm mistaken?
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Ok, I'll take a stab at the niches you listed.

      Computer hardware and building a computer. Are you intending to sell PC hardware? Personally, I'd stay away from things like electronics (PCs, iPhones, etc.). Technology changes fast, margins are thin and competition is based mainly on price. AND your competitors are the big box stores and every drive-you-into-the-ground low-price competitor.

      You REALLY want to stay away from business models which are primarily price-driven.

      An information-based business is much better (and easier). It's NOT necessarily driven by price and no inventory is required. Teaching computer building and repair is possibly a good niche.

      Same thing for computer security: a VERY good niche. But here, you need to know 1) are you offering PC security info or services and 2) who's your market: consumers or businesses? That important piece of info will determine your pricing structure AND your offerings. They'll be very different depending on what niche you choose.

      Dating advice... Well, dating is a HUGE niche and very competitive. But don't let that scare you off. There are lots of different products and CPA offers for this. But you need to match your offers and language to your market. Be sure that you like the market enough to stay with it long enough to make a go of it. I have no idea what your age or experience is. Selling requires an understanding of your market AND empathy with their problems (or perceived problems) Personally, high schoolers would drive me crazy. The immaturity of their thought processes, ESPECIALLY when it comes to dating... Oy vey!

      Just be sure you like this market enough to stick with it. You'll be there for a while.

      The anxiety for high schoolers could be a good thing, especially if you tie it into taking tests, getting good grades, getting into college. Here, you essentially have TWO markets: 1) driven, ambitious high schoolers and 2) their parents. You'd talk to high schoolers and their parents very differently and position your products/services differently.

      This can easily be an information-based business. You can sell e-books, memberships, and programs. And when you tie it into getting into a good college and therefore getting a good job, it becomes very valuable and you can charge premium prices for it.

      As for caffeine addiction... How many people are really looking to solve their caffeine addiction? And more importantly, how much will they pay for it? Not much. I'd scrap this idea.

      Emetophobia??? I had to look this up. Disgusting! :p

      Again, how many people are really looking for this info and how much will they pay? Not much. Worse, you can't build a business on this topic. At best, people are looking for a solution in passing.

      When looking for a niche, ask:

      1. How many people are really looking for this solution?

      Enough to build a business? The caffeine addiction and emetophobia "niches" are great examples of possible individual products, NOT niches on which to build an entire business.

      The computer security and anxiety in highschoolers (based around test-taking and getting into college) are VERY good niches in which you can build an entire business with multiple products and services.

      The key is "multiple products and services."


      2. How much will they pay?

      The caffeine addiction and emetophobia "niches" are great examples of "niches" which require a very low-priced solution.

      The computer security and anxiety in highschoolers (based around test-taking and getting into college) are VERY good niches in which you can charge premium prices.

      3. WHO will you target?

      This is KEY in determining your products and services.

      For example:

      Anxiety in highschoolers....

      You're better off targeting parents primarily and THEN the kids. Highschool kids don't have a lot of money and often just want to goof off. Mom and Dad, however, care deeply about Johnny going off into the world and very much want the very best for him.

      And they have the money to pay for it.

      So target Mom and Dad and then you can charge higher prices.

      Don't waste precious time trying to get a beer-guzzling teenager to opt into your list for better test scores.

      Who you target will determine your offerings and pricing structure.

      Now it's time to do some research. Who are your competitors? What are they offering? At what price point? Who are you selling to? The end consumer or the buyer (Mom and Dad)? How will you be different and better than those competitors?

      All successful businesses focus on solving a problem or fulfilling a want. Focus on solving a problem! The more urgent/important it is, the better for you.

      Pick a niche you can live with for a while and one that can bring in some money. It must support multiple products and services and at least one "high-priced" product or service. (That's relative to the market, but you get the idea.)

      Pick two products or services to sell initially. (You need one as an introductory or basic offer and something to upsell to.)

      I always recommend selling your own stuff, but if that feels too overwhelming right now, search for products and services in your chosen niche which you can sell as an affiliate. Then build a list and sell it.

      Getting started as an affiliate can be faster since you don't have to create the products/services and it will give you invaluable experience in the market. As you gain experience, you can then sell your own stuff to that list.

      But pick a niche and stick with it. Don't just sell random stuff. You'll have to build a list for whatever you'll be selling and it needs to be centered around one topic/need/problem.

      Hope that helps!

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      • Profile picture of the author Majora
        Thanks Michelle, that was very helpful.

        I've looked into the ones you suggested further. In computer security, it seems that there really aren't a lot of products I could promote in this niche. There's a few such as antiviruses or perhaps an e-Book I could write myself, but other than that there's really no high paying products to sell. I do have a computer security YouTube channel that makes around $25 a month with Adsense though, and I feel I could direct a lot of my YouTube traffic towards my website if I did enter into this niche.

        As far as the dating niche goes, it definitely seems extremely competitive. I considered HS/College students for two reasons, really. First, it's the demographic I'm in (Senior in high school, part time college student) so I felt I'd be able to relate best to my target market. Secondly, single college students often feel like they're running out of time and are willing to pay big to find a relationship. They say money can't buy you love... but it could definitely buy you an expensive e-Book/Course/Training teaching you how to find it! Feel like it could be extremely profitable if I could find a way to compete.

        The anxiety niche is definitely an interesting one that could potentially be very profitable as well. At first I was worried that I'd eventually run out content ideas. However, taking a look at other anxiety sites/blogs, I've found out that some of these sites that are ranking quite well do not have a whole lot of content either, so maybe this isn't as big of an issue as I originally thought. Anyhow, there does appear to be a few great and high paying products available for anxiety, so this would definitely be a good option.

        Still debating on what one I want to dive into (wish I had time for all of them!). Regardless of my choice, I'm extremely excited.
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  • Profile picture of the author evakent256
    Have you tried every method? There is a saying... if you did it, continue. If you didn't do it, continue!
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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Originally Posted by evakent256 View Post

      Have you tried every method? There is a saying... if you did it, continue. If you didn't do it, continue!
      "Every method"??? As in what?

      I'm sorry, but this is asinine advice! Trying every marketing method is a COMPLETE waste of time and effort until he has 1) a niche, 2) a business model, and 3) a target market.

      Anything else is just beating his head against the wall and sheer stupidity.

      Building a business requires reverse engineering:

      1. First, pick 1) a niche, 2) a business model, and 3) a target market.

      2. Then, craft some good e-mail sequences that actually sell.

      3. FINALLY, start building the list, which involves getting traffic and joint venture partners.

      True, these are rarely done in a vacuum. They WILL overlap, but that's the general framework.

      And BTW, once you've picked a niche and that first product, you can immediately put up a squeeze page to start building the list while you're building out the business (including writing those e-mails, etc.). No website required.

      Get an AWeber account and a LeadPages.net account. A single page with an opt-in form, coupled with a good free offer can immediately start building the list. Then, continually survey your list to see what they want.

      As you're building out your business, scope out your competitors and get on their lists. You'll gain invaluable insight, including: 1) what they offer and 2) how they talk to their customers. Save all of the e-mails they send out.

      Very helpful!

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  • Profile picture of the author ErinWalsh
    Yes, I think collecting emails is a great idea. Ask anyone who messages you if you can put them on your list.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    OK. I've got one last piece of advice for you...

    You're looking at the niches as one product. And thinking there is only one possible product for the niche. What you have to look at, instead, is the person. It will open your eyes to all of the possible products that person, who happens to be interested in your niche, would need.

    For example, someone who is into computer security would likely be a prospect for all of the following products, and many many more: anitvirus, firewall, backup, cleanup. Then, lets think what does someone who is into computer security also have? Probably a smart phone, tablet, laptop. Now you have a whole slew of opportunities...apps, accessories, chargers, cords, backup, storage, cases, hell...even nerd shirts and gadgets.

    Who is this person and what are their needs? What is that person's life like? What is that persons biggest fears? It's called a customer avatar...

    Here's a video about it. And if you don't know this guy, you should get to.

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  • Profile picture of the author SuperKC
    The problem is not your methods but rather your business plans. Those are terrible ideas mate.. no offense. Maybe this will help.. when people say a niche concept..they are not saying 'dont go over dieting.. go after fitness.. or don't go after fitness.. go over fat burning pills'.. they are saying compare two specific products against each other. Get down to the bare bones of commerce.. try being 'too specific' and see what happens. From there.. you have to open your eyes to the business concepts behind things.. you cant just be an affiliate anymore.. you have to invest yourself into the business. For example.. I sell surgical services.. so when someone books for a surgery online I dont just make a commision.. because I have vested myself deep into the company itself. Own the surgical company itself.. own the facilities.. own the recovery houses.. own the medical supply company that supplies the equipment to the facilities.. that you own.. stop sharing your profit with +100 people.. if your going to do business then bite it off from A-Z so you have the margins to work within. .. and I know what your thinking but.. no it doesn't take lots of capital.. or any capital.. it only takes a brilliant business mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
    Originally Posted by Majora View Post

    First off, sorry for another one of these threads, I just fear there may be something obvious I'm missing.

    Long story short, I started trying to make money online four years ago. Since then I've made several what I thought to be good websites, to realize they never came to anything more than great learning experiences. None of the websites ever made more than $20 a month, despite hours of work every single day writing content and marketing it.

    My first site was a general tech site. Niche was way too broad. Had an RPM of $5 but traffic was hard to get. Moving on, my next website was more refined, iPhone, iPad, and iOS in general. Got alright search traffic (200 visits a day) and a pagerank of 2. RPM is around $3.70 (I have no idea how good or bad this is.) Anyhow, when I realized I was working way too hard and not making enough, I lost interest. I then went on to buy an Android phone, so I'm done working with that website completely.

    Anyway, fast forward another few months. I launch another website, this time in the cryptocurrency niche. Search engine traffic is well, and I'm getting up to 400-500 visits a day with very little marketing. The problem? The RPM is only $1.20 in Adsense, and there is almost zero affiliate marketing potential.

    Fast forward to about a month ago. I try to launch my first non-blog website, in the insomnia niche. I write 25 or so completely unique pages on everything about insomnia and how to cure it. I leave valuable comments on over 250 articles on other websites related to insomnia. I write a very long and detailed Squidoo lens on insomnia with links pointing back to my site. I even made a YouTube channel and produced several videos to go along with the articles. This was going to be the one I thought. Nope. It's getting around 15 views a day, zero of which have come from search engines. Heck, GWT has only even updated twice in the past 20 days (I assume that means no impressions at all?)

    I just simply can not figure out what I'm doing wrong. I'm willing to put in the time and effort, and I have. It's just so discouraging when I put hundreds of hours into a website, and a silly YouTube video I made one one Sunday afternoon is making more than all of my websites combined.

    I'm at my breaking point. Any input or advice would be much appreciated.
    You need to think outside the box more.

    Your cryptocurrency website for example, is a niche investing website. Do you think they might be interested in, oh I don't know, Porter Stansbury's investing newsletter?

    Now, why are they investing in cryptocurrency? They are probably 'prepping' for a collapse of Western Civilization. Think they might be interested in some other stuff, like survivalist gear? Storable food, and possibly seeds to grow more? Or perhaps, places to buy gold or silver? Maybe they also might like a self defense course from Bas Rutten, or a survivalist course written by ex military types?

    The key is to ask more questions, and do more research into your niche. There is gold if you know how to mine in most of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Alexa nailed it. When my business was successful it was because of the list I built. And mind you, it wasn't a big one. Only about 6,000 subscribers. But I had some loyal ones and I could always count on X number of sales no matter what I promoted. My problem was when the traffic stopped and people started leaving the list I had no way of adding new people without traffic. So the business eventually died.

      Build a list. Seriously. People who come to your site for a one shot will leave and never come back. You'll never make any real money this way.

      Build a list, period.
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  • Profile picture of the author PinkStar
    Without seeing your site I think it's hard to pinpoint where it's lacking.
    But like others have said, alot of people are banner-blind and not to forget about all the adblockers as well. For a blog it would be better to link to a affiliate product within the post and not rely on banners surrounding it that people most likely won't even see.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hooda M Kismet
      Hey Majora,

      From what you wrote, it sounds like you're doing the right thing link-building wise, but, maybe you are not choosing the right keywords. Have you made a thorough research on your keyword(s) to see how much demand there is/ how many monthly searches etc?

      Also, do you have a lead magnet? Are you trying to build a list? If you do have a list, do you send them regular updates/tips/promotions? If you don't, then in my opinion you should start by writing or outsourcing a small free report about your niche and offering it as a free gift to people who sign up to your list, then you should keep in touch with them by sending them regular emails to build a rapport and build your audience. Give them tips and advice, with the occasional product promotion, and you will see. It will work. You sound like someone who is wiling to put in the work, you just need to divert your work to a different direction and believe me it will pay off.

      Good luck!
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