How To Bypass Clickbank Squeeze Page?

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I currently use php header redirect code to cloak my affiliate links and send them to the Clickbank merchant's page and I'm pretty happy with this set up as far as cloaking goes because I can do it quickly on any domain I want and don't have to bother with databases.

I want to promote more products but don't want to direct them via my hoplink to the merchant's squeeze page (which so many merchant's have). How can I get around this while ensuring I get my commission (I heard that if you use the payment link it's against CB's TOS, doesn't drop a cookie and might mean that if another affiliate got the hoplink click before you, they get the sale and not you).

Any ideas?
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  • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
    Hi Gary,

    Using the direct-to-checkout link is not against CB's TOS, however it does not set a cookie, which means there's really no point in using it for most affiliates (unless you plan to cookie stuff or put the link in a frame, which is against their TOS).

    Would be nice if that link did set a cookie, then you could write your own salescopy for all the good products on CB with crappy (low-converting) salespages.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Diamond
      Originally Posted by Brandon Tanner View Post

      Would be nice if that link did set a cookie, then you could write your own salescopy for all the good products on CB with crappy (low-converting) salespages.
      You can, actually. I'm not sure what CB's TOS currently say about this, but their system has supported for a long time a special form of payment link that does give you affiliate credit. It looks like this:

      http://prodnumber.affiliate_vendor.pay.clickbank.net

      Instead of just the vendor's code in the second position in the URL, the affiliate's code is prepended plus an underscore. For example, say that a vendor's payment link is:

      http://2.mystupidebook.pay.clickbank.net

      And suppose that your affiliate code is iamsam.

      Then your affiliate payment link, which bypasses the vendor's sales page entirely, would be:

      http://2.iamsam_mystupidebook.pay.clickbank.net

      Try it. You will see your affiliate code at the bottom of the payment page, which means that you do get credit for the sale.

      AFAIK CB doesn't support this officially, but it has worked for years and still does.

      Maybe Harvey Segal will jump in here with the latest about how this is viewed in the TOS.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Why people want to bypass the merchant's squeeze page is beyond me.

        If the product is good enough to promote and the product creator has
        a good reputation, then dollars to donuts, his followup system will turn
        many of those subscribers into buyers and you still get the commission.

        Yes, I know...some product creators are snake in the grasses and send
        their subscribers to alternate sales pages.

        But do you really want to promote their products anyway?

        Sorry, but I don't see the logic in wanting to bypass a squeeze page.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

            No, I don't want to promote their products at all. I want to avoid them. But if I can't in my inexperience reliably tell who they are, one way to be sure of avoiding them is simply not to become an affiliate for products of which the sales-page has a lead-capture. Not illogical, surely, Steven?
            The problem with that way of looking at it, in my opinion, is that you might
            end up missing out on some great products with great commissions.

            For example. I promoted Nitro Marketing Blueprint and EVERYBODY who was
            sent to the site was sent to somewhat of a squeeze page, though it was
            really more than that. It was by no means a sales page. If anything, it
            was very easy to get totally lost at that site.

            And yet, I made thousands of dollars promoting that product.

            Now, I admit, I knew who these people were, so I trusted them. But if I
            hadn't and used your philosophy, I would have lost out...big time.

            A better idea, IMO, is to do some research on the product creator. See
            what kind of a reputation they have. Ask around. Sure, it takes some time
            and effort, but you just might find out that they're one of the good guys
            and you've got a killer product to sell.

            Again, this is just my opinion. And heaven knows, I am careful to a fault,
            but when it comes to promoting an affiliate product, I will never let a
            squeeze page get in my way unless I know for sure that the product
            creator uses unethical methods.

            Bottom line...everybody has to do what's best for them. I was just trying
            to point out to the OP that he may be leaving a lot of money on the table
            by only promoting products with no squeeze pages.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

                Sure, I appreciate this. But there are enough other products for me where I don't have to worry about not getting paid by a vendor who prefers to keep the affiliate commission for the work I've done generating the lead.

                I suspect it's easier for you, Steven, because you have a lot more experience than many of the members here?
                True to an extent. I know most of the people in the "make money niche" but
                when it comes to non IM niches, I know almost no one. I have to take lots
                of chances when I promote a non IM product. Some have worked out well
                for me, like Travis Sago's "Magic Of Making Up" and some have bombed out
                for me totally. But I never let a squeeze page get in my way.

                I guess it depends on how much risk you're willing to take.

                For me, writing a few articles and putting up a blog with a review isn't
                such a big deal that I won't do it for a product just because it has a
                squeeze page. What does it cost me in time? Maybe 3 hours total? And
                it doesn't cost me any money.

                Like I said, it comes down to how big a risk one is willing to take. My
                goal in my reply to the OP was simply to point out that he could be
                leaving money on the table for very little risk.
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                  • Profile picture of the author CMartin
                    Originally Posted by Steve Diamond View Post

                    You can, actually. I'm not sure what CB's TOS currently say about this, but their system has supported for a long time a special form of payment link that does give you affiliate credit. It looks like this:

                    http://prodnumber.affiliate_vendor.pay.clickbank.net
                    When using this "technique" I strongly suggest affiliates to contact the vendors to see if that's ok using that, because the vendor might be using a script or some kind of background tracking to validate the purchases when the users reach the "Thank You" page. For example, if the vendor is passing some info along with the payment url and then only validates the purchase if that info is present, then the above payment link might not work and it will cause some problems to the vendor if the user does not get the product.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
                      Originally Posted by CMartin View Post

                      When using this "technique" I strongly suggest affiliates to contact the vendors to see if that's ok using that
                      ClickBank demand that you MUST get approval from the vendor before
                      bypassing his sales page.

                      Details here: Order Form Link

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                      • Profile picture of the author Steve Diamond
                        Thanks for jumping in, Harvey. I knew you would have the full story.
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                        • Profile picture of the author alghaz01
                          Originally Posted by Steve Diamond View Post

                          Thanks for jumping in, Harvey. I knew you would have the full story.
                          Mr. Steve, are your really sure that using your "technique" is the legal way?..:confused::confused::confused:..If it can be legal and approved by clickcank.com or the vendor..i'll doo it!!!..thanks for nice info
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Diamond
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          Sorry, but I don't see the logic in wanting to bypass a squeeze page.
          If you think the vendor has a good product but an ineffective set of follow-up messages and a crappy sales page, you might want to make your own squeeze page and your own autoresponder series to promote the product. This has nothing to do with thinking that the vendor is shady. It's just thinking that you're the better marketer. You also might prefer to have the prospects on your own list rather than the vendor's for additional promotions.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by Steve Diamond View Post

            If you think the vendor has a good product but an ineffective set of follow-up messages and a crappy sales page, you might want to make your own squeeze page and your own autoresponder series to promote the product. This has nothing to do with thinking that the vendor is shady. It's just thinking that you're the better marketer. You also might prefer to have the prospects on your own list rather than the vendor's for additional promotions.
            That's a good point and I agree. But bypassing a squeeze page is not the
            same thing as bypassing a sales page. Sure, if I think the sales page is
            crap (I have one product I promote that I do a pre-sell for where I tell
            people the sales page is crap) I will either make my own or warn prospects
            ahead of time.

            As for starting your own list, the only way you would know if the
            marketer's followup is crap is if you subscribed to his list. And then, if
            it's a long series, you're then waiting weeks before you can even begin
            to promote the product. In some niches, especially with new products,
            that can mean the difference between many sales and few sales. Time is
            critical in many instances when promoting an affiliate product.

            And let's face it. If the squeeze page is crap and the sales page is crap,
            do you really want to take a chance on the product, even if it IS good?

            Look, I'll be the first to admit that my sales pages are not top copywriter
            material, but they don't have to be because my sales pages don't sell my
            products...I do.

            So as long as my squeeze page gets the prospect...and they do bring in
            many each day...then my followup WILL make the sale..crappy squeeze
            page and all.

            This is why, in my opinion, the reputation of the product creator is more
            important than how good the sales page is.

            I can hear just about every copywriter on this forum right now getting
            ready to tell me that I'm stark raving out of my mind. So before you do,
            yes, I understand the importance of sales copy for somebody who is an
            unknown. But do you think that somebody like Frank Kern or John Reese
            needs to have a million dollar copywriter at this stage of their career?

            If either one of them put up a sales page with a buy now button and a
            brief description of the product, they'd both probably sell thousands of
            units anyway.

            Well, like I said, this is just my opinion and ultimately each affiliate
            marketer has to do what they're comfortable doing.
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      • Profile picture of the author alghaz01
        THANKS VERYY MUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHH..I've done !!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author TLTheLiberator
    I think Dr. Mike has or had a monthly service that actually re-writes the sales pages of Clickbank products.

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  • Profile picture of the author shano
    I just discovered this very old post, but I'm adding my opinion anyway because this view has been completely overlooked. When I send a prospect to a sales site, I don't appreciate it when a vendor doesn't show his sales page unless he can get the prospect on his email list. I don't place advertising for the purpose of finding prospects for other marketers' email lists. If a prospect declines to sign up, an exit popup should tell him that he can see the sales page anyway. I seldom view sales pages that require subscribing in order to do it, and I expect there are lots of others with the same sentiment. That's why I would like to know a way to bypass the squeeze page and send my prospects directly to a product's sales page. I don't want to have to write my own sales page to do it.
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