How much are you paying for a GOOD full time writer?

10 years ago

You may be able to get a native speaker for that rate depending on the work load. Probably not a professional quality one, but maybe somebody looking to make a few bucks on the side.

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CyberAlien

10 years ago

We pay about $1800/month BUT the writers aren't just for articles. They also deal with press releases and ebooks - plus they are expected to do all of the research themselves. But just because we pay that doesn't mean it would be impossible for you to find high quality ones at $600/month - a lot of newer writers would be willing to work at that rate while they build up their resume.

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Snow_Predator

10 years ago

Alexa: some good tips, thanks. I was actually going to PM you about this, but it's better to have your answer here where others can benefit from it.

Originally Posted by Escalate Internet

We pay about $1800/month BUT the writers aren't just for articles. They also deal with press releases and ebooks - plus they are expected to do all of the research themselves. But just because we pay that doesn't mean it would be impossible for you to find high quality ones at $600/month - a lot of newer writers would be willing to work at that rate while they build up their resume.

I need mine to do all the research too. Are these native english speakers? Can I ask where you find your writers? Are they loyal, do they stick around?

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myob

10 years ago

As a personal preference, I've almost always hired college students from local (California) universities. Their ability can be checked relatively easily by asking for some term papers, thesis, dissertation, etc.

However it's almost impossible to find writers readily available for productive assignments, so those with core competencies in research and writing went through a period of in-house orientation and training.

They seldom were able to work full-time, but I paid students $10-$12 per hour average with up to $25/hr for graduate students in specialized fields.

In my experience, the ROI for quality articles is much higher than paying writers for "cheap" (ie crap) articles by several orders of magnitude.

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znightmare

10 years ago

Originally Posted by myob

As a personal preference, I've almost always hired college students from local (California) universities. Their ability can be checked relatively easily by asking for some term papers, thesis, dissertation, etc.

However it's almost impossible to find writers readily available for productive assignments, so those with core competencies in research and writing went through a period of in-house orientation and training.

They seldom were able to work full-time, but I paid students $10-$12 per hour average with up to $25/hr for graduate students in specialized fields.

In my experience, the ROI for quality articles is much higher than paying writers for "cheap" (ie crap) articles by several orders of magnitude.

This is something different to me, where exactly would you go to advertise your job for college students, if you don't mind me asking?

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myob 10 years ago

Originally Posted by znightmare

where exactly would you go to advertise your job for college students

Initially, I placed ads in local college newspapers and campus job placement centers. In later years, nearly all open writer/researcher positions were filled by word of mouth. If I needed writers for highly specialized or technical subjects, the respective dept chairperson often would recommend a top student.
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CyberAlien

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

I need mine to do all the research too. Are these native english speakers? Can I ask where you find your writers? Are they loyal, do they stick around?

All of the ones I've found came from oDesk - but we slowly moved them away from using oDesk into just working for us.

But these aren't people that "sound English" or "can write pretty good". Their native language is English and most live in the United States - with the exception of a couple in Canada.

However, you can find ones just as good in the Philippines too, like Alexa said. I've worked with plenty of writers from there and some were just as good as the North American writers we have. The reason I personally only have writers that are in the US and Canada right now is because we heavily advertise the fact that all of our writers are based in one of those countries to make small business owners feel more comfortable.

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Snow_Predator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Escalate Internet

All of the ones I've found came from oDesk - but we slowly moved them away from using oDesk into just working for us.

Awesome, I was wondering if I could do that. It's an excellent method - pay them on a per article basis to begin with, and adopt them full time if they're any good.

Originally Posted by Escalate Internet

However, you can find ones just as good in the Philippines too, like Alexa said. I've worked with plenty of writers from there and some were just as good as the North American writers we have.

Guess I'll just have to keep looking. I've found one so far who is almost native-sounding, but not quite there.

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MNord

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Awesome, I was wondering if I could do that. It's an excellent method - pay them on a per article basis to begin with, and adopt them full time if they're any good.

Guess I'll just have to keep looking. I've found one so far who is almost native-sounding, but not quite there.

If you found someone really close to what you need, might be worth using that person and just polishing up the end product yourself.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 10 years ago

Hey Snowy

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

The reason I'm not looking for a native Brit/American/Canadian etc, is because I don't want to spend more than $600 a month.

Yup ... makes sense.

You should be able to find someone from the Philippines, I think. The standards of English there can really be very good. I was surprised.

And $600 is certainly a reasonable-ish amount to pay a skilled full-time Filipino VA. It's a little under what I pay (mine isn't a writer, but has real skills, perhaps equivalent).

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

If I get a lot of replies telling me on this thread that the only way to get a good writer is to pay some $2,000+ a month ...

No, that's certainly not true.

But it's also not going to be easy!

I'm no expert at all, but for what it's worth, from someone who "recently" did this with a lot of trial and error and now has 3 full-time VA's (but, again, not specifically a writer, in my case), possible ways of looking include ...

(i) Personal contacts (think nurses/nursing-students etc. - there are thousands of Filipina nurses in London, all of whom have family/friends at home

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(ii) People you know/find through the Warrior Forum and/or other websites (there are plenty of people here from the Philippines - some of them may know suitable people)

(iii) Agencies (there are some in London that find VA's of various kinds, for people: I suspect more in India than in the Philippines, but I wouldn't necessarily rule that out, either);

(iv) Places you can advertise directly, linking to a site/page in which you've put up a job-description.

Small tips (things that helped me) ...

(a) Have detailed "application procedures", because you want to be able to check whether people can follow instructions accurately and methodically, so it's a screening-out process in its own right;

(b) Check for independently verifiable references (people you can speak with yourself, about the person, not just "written testimonials");

(c) You might find a 4-week trial, followed by a 10-week "extended trial", enables both sides to judge well whether the arrangement's going to be mutually agreeable? Just a suggestion.

It's difficult, and there's luck in it, but it's really worth it when you find somebody good, and reliable - good luck!

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ssparks81

10 years ago

It would be hard to find someone in that price range without someone's personal recommendation. There's far too many inexperienced writers or at least English speaking writers at that price point.

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absolutelee

10 years ago

It's according to what you mean by good. If "good' means correct spelling, diction, and grammar, that's one thing. If it means they can actually write...as in create copy that does what you need it to...that's a whole different ball game. For the latter...I personally charge no less than $50/hr. Those are corporate prices, though.

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MNord

10 years ago

Originally Posted by absolutelee

It's according to what you mean by good. If "good' means correct spelling, diction, and grammar, that's one thing. If it means they can actually write...as in create copy that does what you need it to...that's a whole different ball game. For the latter...I personally charge no less than $50/hr. Those are corporate prices, though.

I' m on the corporate side too and agree completely. Some writing I've seen described as "good" in IM would be unacceptable elsewhere. And $50/hour would be very reasonable for a truly skilled writer in the corporate market.

I haven't outsourced to SE Asia in many years. When I did, it was not hard to find skilled designers and researchers. But we couldn't get the quality we needed from the writers. Maybe that has changed. But from samples I've seen from asia-based writers with high ratings on freelancing sites, I suspect it is still hard to find someone really good. If you do, they would be valuable resources for sure!

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Content Commando

10 years ago

You can't always have your cake and eat it too. If you're looking for top tier content, then you need to pay top dollar.

Make a list of your top competitors. How much do you think they're paying their writers? Do you think your site will eclipse theirs without content that is as good or better?

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VivekThakur

10 years ago

I pay 500 $ to my content writer from India, there english is second language and he is good in writing blog, article, site content, press release, guest post and other content of our services.
You can do outsource from odesk to get freelance or fulltime content writer.

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Dsdomination

10 years ago

If you need to make 10 or 100 articles per day you have to consider more than $600 per month. I work with a really nice girl from UK just for proofread my work and I pay $2 for 500 words, considering that I have large articles with 2-3000 words. You just have to look for the best offer before you decide. Don't sing the contract with the first company!

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ryanbiddulph

10 years ago

It depends on volume too. If you're doing per article, $40 to $50 for 600 words is reasonable, pro-rating as you ask for more words. All the best!

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evakent256

10 years ago

Romania has a lot of good writers, who write english excellent as their second language. And at 600$ a month, you should have no problem finding one.

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Amazing Dave

10 years ago

Well, you don't have to be a native speaker to be good at English / writing articles etc. ... For example, I'm a 18-year-old student from Europe and I consider my English writing skills to be above average...

Heck, even on this forum (where Internet Marketers are supposed to use formal language in my opinion - since this is a business), sometimes, I see native English speakers making terrible newbie mistakes themselves... and it's their first language...

Now, I'm not saying my English is perfect (not even close to it), everyone makes mistakes... I've probably made a few in this post myself.

Just my 2 cents.

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abbs

10 years ago

I know people, including myself, who have worked for $1,000 per month.

Most people are reluctant to hire writers from developing countries, but thanks to colonialism/imperialism/globalization or whatever you want to call it, there are some good primary and secondary English-medium schools pretty much all over the world.

In Pakistan, the cost of living is not near as high as it is in other parts of the world where English is commonly spoken. If you are careful when hiring somebody, you can get a great deal hiring someone from the developing world.

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avenueactiv

10 years ago

I spend around $250 per month and what I like is she does both the writing and then all the work involved with uploading, editing, adding images, optimization and all the rest like using yoast etc. Send me a PM if you want her email address.

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guitarizma

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Hey folks

If you have a GOOD full time writer, how much are you paying him/her? Also, where are they from? - Is english their first language, or do they write excellent english as a second language?

I just signed up to a Filipino resume site, and am having difficulty finding writers with good english. The reason I'm not looking for a native Brit/American/Canadian etc, is because I don't want to spend more than $600 a month.

If I get a lot of replies telling me on this thread that the only way to get a good writer is to pay some $2,000+ a month, then I suppose I'll have to go back to the drawing board and increase my income before I can think about outsourcing.

Did you try iwriter? It shouldn't take you long to find someone that understands all your needs. You can get him to do all your projects by sending "special requests".

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10 years ago

It depends on service plus requirement of client.

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Michael Levanduski

10 years ago

As a freelance writer (who is well outside your budget, so no self-serving going on here) I can say that it won't be too easy to find someone who can write well for that price. If you do find someone, they will eventually realize that their skills are more valuable than what you're paying, and move on. This means you'll be right back in the same position every few months.

That being said, it is certainly possible. There are some remarkable writers from non-English speaking countries. It is quite surprising really. For every one good one, however, there are hundreds of people who claim to be good, yet can hardly string an understandable sentence together.

I think trial & error is your best bet. Go to eLance or whatever and hire 25 people to write one article each. If you find a good one, begin a 1-2 week trial period. If not, hire 25 new people and start the process over. Eventually you'll find that diamond in the rough.

Good luck!

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craighakwins

10 years ago

Well it depends on how much work you need to be done. I see decent writers get paid around $5-8 /hr and that's actually good enough.

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MNord 10 years ago

Originally Posted by craighakwins

Well it depends on how much work you need to be done. I see decent writers get paid around $5-8 /hr and that's actually good enough.

I think "decent" and "good enough" are the key concepts here. They leave a lot open to interpretation. I would be highly skeptical of anyone charging those kinds of rates. If they were actually good, I believe they'd soon be raising their rates to a number several multiples higher than that.

Of course, some people don't particularly care whether articles read at better than a third grade level as long as they contain the right keywords...
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nicholasb

10 years ago

last time I hired a full time writer, I was paying him $500 a week plus commission bonuses. Which came out to about $800-$1000 a week for him. He was writing 8-10 hours a day straight though.

I don't create as many articles as I use to, so I taught him the business model and helped him get started on his own before I stopped paying him.

He's not making a fortune now but is making 2-3k a week now and has a few employees of his own now.

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Bryan Harkins

10 years ago

I have a writer I pay 700 bucks per month. She writes great content and usually when all is said and done I am payer her about 2 cents for every word. So about $10.00 for a 500 word article.

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jony1

10 years ago

i am paying my content writer £270. He writes good for articals, PR, other content for site.

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TimothyTorrents

10 years ago

It also depends on the type of writing that you need. If you just need someone to write blog-posts, it won't be difficult to find someone who can work for a rate that you can afford. I found a few people on this forum who can write decent articles and don't charge much. Most native English speakers on here charge between $1 and $5 for 100 words.

Of course, if you need articles for a magazine, and high quality is required, you'll have to be willing to hand over some extra cash for a more experienced writer. Then again, high rates don't necessarily equal high quality, you'll have to test out a few different writers to find the right match.

You have to be careful with a lot of so called writing companies because as soon as they receive an order they'll outsource it for a fraction of the original price.

Determine a rate that you can afford, and shop around, it's easier than you might think. Don't forget to ask for samples.

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pnglifesolutions

10 years ago

I am also planning to look for a long term full time writer for my upcoming project. Could you share which Philippines site you tried? is it onlinejobs.ph?

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Snow_Predator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by pnglifesolutions

I am also planning to look for a long term full time writer for my upcoming project. Could you share which Philippines site you tried? is it onlinejobs.ph?

yep onlinejobs.ph

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Marx Vergel Melencio 10 years ago

Snow_Predator,

You'd probably have better luck with oDesk than onlinejobs.ph -- English content writers in oDesk could already be familiar with a time-based telecommuting subcontractual arrangement, as opposed to the usual output-based arrangement for telecommuting subcontracts. Why?

There's a tracking feature that's integrated into the oDesk platform -- This'd allow you to determine if your contractor spends 8 solid work hours per day on your writing tasks. This means many contractors in oDesk have experience in working with this tracking feature. Also:

You can even hire native English speakers based in the US / UK / Australia / Canada or Filipinos or bi-lingual English-Esperanto speakers and so on (it's up to you) -- We continue to hire native English speakers in oDesk for fixed project-based arrangements, though mostly for software development or graphics design contracts or administrative tasks and not English content writing projects; and

Many of them usually charge the same pro-rated prices as the monthly wages we pay our inhouse associates here in the Philippines. In some instances, they even charge lower than our usual output-based rates for our local telecommuting subcontractors -- Some of them try to convince us with lower rates, in order for us to hire them under time-based monthly contracts, which we politely decline, since we don't work on time-based arrangements with local or overseas telecommuting subcontractors (only with our inhouse associates)...
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Snow_Predator 10 years ago

OK, so I posted a job for $400/month over at onlinejobs.ph, and got a whole bunch of RUBBISH applicants. They all had TERRIBLE grammar and writing skills.

Now posting one for $700/month and seeing how that goes.
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- Alexa Smith Banned 10 years ago
  
  Hey Snowy
  
  Sorry to have been so quiet, here: I've barely been online at all for 11 days, now.
  
  I was looking to see whether there were useful further developments in this thread. (If you want to send me a p.m., my in-box isn't full, and I'll see it and reply.)
  
  My suggestion is to prepare an A5-sized "printed announcement" with a headline along the lines of "Do you have family/friends in the Philippines with a reliable internet connection who speak and write fluent English?". Then set out roughly what you're looking for and/or give a website address of a one-page blog giving a job-description and outlining an application-procedure (just add a page temporarily to one of your own sites, or whatever?). I think $700 per month is a good figure to mention (I pay someone there whom I think is probably equivalent, in skills/availability/reliability terms, to what you want, about $735 per month).
  
  There are 8-10 teaching hospitals in London with attached nursing schools where there are common-rooms, staff cafés, and other semi-social places for approaching people. These places are full of Filipina nurses/trainees/technicians etc. If in each hospital/college/nursing-school you can get four or five nurses/technicians/students or whoever to pin your notice up on a suitable notice-board, you'll surely get applicants? You just need to chat to people and give them the notice and a few drawing-pins help, too, because those are often in short supply. I know it sounds a little "rough and ready" but an almost identical idea worked successfully for me. Good luck!
  
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AuthorityBuilder

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Hey folks

If you have a GOOD full time writer, how much are you paying him/her? Also, where are they from? - Is english their first language, or do they write excellent english as a second language?

I just signed up to a Filipino resume site, and am having difficulty finding writers with good english. The reason I'm not looking for a native Brit/American/Canadian etc, is because I don't want to spend more than $600 a month.

If I get a lot of replies telling me on this thread that the only way to get a good writer is to pay some $2,000+ a month, then I suppose I'll have to go back to the drawing board and increase my income before I can think about outsourcing.

Getting a full time writer at $600 per month isn't too hard. Most writers charge on per-article and word count basis, so depending on the number of articles you need need per day, you can fit in to your budget.

You will find some writers charging as low as $2 per article of 500 words, whereas some charge $50 per article. I work as a writer on freelancer.com and according to my experience, a highly-researched article takes about 5 hours, including research and writing. In some cases, a writer may take more time (about a day or two), if the piece has lots of data and proof. On the other hand, one can also churn out 5 articles a day, but most of which will be rewrites of something found on the web.

I don't know the number of articles you want your writer to write for $600 a month, but you can find on freelancing sites such as freelancer.com, elance.com, odesk.com, etc.

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Highway55

10 years ago

Everything is metrics. How many articles will you need? Once you get a number for that, then you can decide how much you want to pay per article. Then you can go get samples from potential candidates and quantify if that person can produce what you need (or if you need to hire more than one)...

Prepare to train whomever you hire, as well. May take a while to find a good one (that you really like)... so be prepared for that.

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RogozRazvan

10 years ago

That depends a lot on what articles you need and how many.

Saying something like "write articles eight hours a day" is not very productive since his interest will be to create the minimum value required to pass.

Saying something like "I want 100 articles or 3 per day and I'll pay you XXX" is a far better way to go.

Now about the budget ...

I know article writers who are paid $3000 per month for 30 - 50 articles. These are not long articles but are smart ones. It is a mistake to quantify everything by the effort required - words especially. If you want to become an authority in a niche, quality is FAR more important than quantity.

I've been once paid $50 per article for 5 articles. Each article was ... surprise ... LESS THAN 500 WORDS. Why so much then since by the average rate for $50 I should have wrote 5000 words?

Because it contained specialized information that I possessed to a specialized niche. It was meant to make the buyer look like an expert by providing something I've acquired by reading many books and going to many seminars. The English was not perfect, the article was not SEO optimized by the info was something you couldn't find with a simple Google search.

Am I'm just trying to brag here? No. I'm just trying to make a point. There is no magic rate. You can pay $500 for 100 articles as long as you realize that these are just rewrites. Or you can pay $500 for a single article from a great copywriter that could be featured in the Wall Street Journal. It all comes to what and how many of them you need.

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Snow_Predator

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Hey Snowy

Sorry to have been so quiet, here: I've barely been online at all for 11 days, now.

I was looking to see whether there were useful further developments in this thread. (If you want to send me a p.m., my in-box isn't full, and I'll see it and reply.)

My suggestion is to prepare an A5-sized "printed announcement" with a headline along the lines of "Do you have family/friends in the Philippines with a reliable internet connection who speak and write fluent English?". Then set out roughly what you're looking for and/or give a website address of a one-page blog giving a job-description and outlining an application-procedure (just add a page temporarily to one of your own sites, or whatever?). I think $700 per month is a good figure to mention (I pay someone there whom I think is probably equivalent, in skills/availability/reliability terms, to what you want, about $735 per month).

There are 8-10 teaching hospitals in London with attached nursing schools where there are common-rooms, staff cafés, and other semi-social places for approaching people. These places are full of Filipina nurses/trainees/technicians etc. If in each hospital/college/nursing-school you can get four or five nurses/technicians/students or whoever to pin your notice up on a suitable notice-board, you'll surely get applicants? You just need to chat to people and give them the notice and a few drawing-pins help, too, because those are often in short supply. I know it sounds a little "rough and ready" but an almost identical idea worked successfully for me. Good luck!

Wow, that's so outlandish, totally outside my comfort zone as a full time IMer sitting on my bum at home for the last 4 years... yet getting out my comfort zone is exactly what I been doing the last few weeks. I'm going to do this!

Gona first wait to see if Onlinejobs.ph gives me any success at $700, and a final offer of $1,000/month.

I will PM you at some point, but meanwhile maybe others will benefit from your answers here. What incentive do I give these nurses to pin these notices up for me?

Surely I can't just approach a stranger Filipina/o and say "Hey dudette/dude, can you pin this up for me? I know you're busy, but I'm sure that patient can wait for his analgesia... wait, is that a sharp's box? What? For my drawing pin? Oh... and your hand is pointing to the staff canteen?... oh, the exit? Ok...

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Originally Posted by AuthorityBuilder

I don't know the number of articles you want your writer to write for $600 a month, but you can find on freelancing sites such as freelancer.com, elance.com, odesk.com, etc.

Mostly concerned about the quality of articles, rather than the number. Each article I wrote myself took at least two days to complete. I'm not looking for a freelancer, but rather a full time employee, who over time, can become an expert in the field they write about.

Originally Posted by RogozRazvan

If you want to become an authority in a niche, quality is FAR more important than quantity.

Spot on.

Whatever success I have now, it's ALL down to QUALITY writing that actually HELPS people. My business died overnight with the Google Panda or w/e update (ages ago now), because it was based on second rate articles backlinked-to with forum profile links.

Now I do ZERO seo, and my articles get more traffic and conversions than ever.

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Alexa Smith Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

What incentive do I give these nurses to pin these notices up for me?

You don't need to, I think. They're all nice and friendly and familiar with the concept of "working online" and they all know people themselves, and have some degree of "intrinsic interest" in the concept, so it's easier than you expect. But the people you ask just to pin the things up don't all need to be Filipino/a, anyway.

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Surely I can't just approach a stranger Filipina/o and say "Hey dudette/dude, can you pin this up for me?

It's not like they cost anything to print? You're looking at a pound or two and a couple of boxes of drawing-pins. What's the worst that can happen? Even if only 10% of the ones you give out actually make it to a suitable notice-board, it's worth trying.

(I know article marketers who recruit all their writers this way - via university departments rather than nursing schools - and I once got a £1,000 thesis-editing job, myself, by seeing something similar on a college notice-board!).
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writeaway

10 years ago

How many words of output do you expect from a fulltime writer? $600 is decent if your expectations are realistic in terms of output and quality.

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andrealouisechang

Banned 10 years ago

I echo the writeaway's question above.

How many articles do you expect the writer to complete within 1 month? As a non-native English writer, I get paid $2K to work full time, but that's 200-ish articles monthly (by one of my clients).

$600 is not bad. You'd still get high quality writing for that amount. Depend on the numbers, though.

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rlopez88

10 years ago

Why don't you try iWriter, and choose top premium writers. But the regular writers have okay English skills so maybe stick to premium writers for good quality content.

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Melissahoster

Banned 10 years ago

I used to write a year back for a beauty products website for $1800 a month. I did everything from landing pages, newsletters, emails, fliers...everything actually. So, yes if someone charges 2000, I'd say that's reasonable because great writing involves a lot of work and if the writer is not happy with the remuneration, the quality of the work would be affected.

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Snow_Predator

10 years ago

Owwww my head hurts!

I just finished going through some 30 applications, ALL OF THEM completely SH*T! I got to the point where I was rejecting applicants from the first paragraph of their reply, even their first sentence!

When their english shows some promise in their email, I am dumbfounded by how mind-numbingly BORING their articles are! It's like they're still writing for the pre google panda era, where as long as their article is accepted by EzineArticles, they've done well.

That was at a pay point of $700/month. I could try for $1,000, but I think I'm facing a big problems here:

The idea that you can get good work for little money in the Philippines is a farce. Only way I'm going to get a good writer, is if I pay top dollar for it. I'm thinking at LEAST $2000, which I can't afford right now, because my expenses are through the roof!

Think I'll give Odesk a try. Another thing I've considered, is approaching people on online forums. There are a lot of experts who hang around on forums, and know how to express themselves well, yet never considered they could make money with their writing.

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

(I know article marketers who recruit all their writers this way - via university departments rather than nursing schools - and I once got a £1,000 thesis-editing job, myself, by seeing something similar on a college notice-board!).

Nurses, only because they might know someone who writes well. Otherwise, what on earth do nurses know about writing?

Yes, university departments is a good idea. There was a time you would worry that these university kids will finish uni, get a job and leave you, but... no more.

Search offline! Thanks for that one Alexa.

Originally Posted by Marx Vergel Melencio

Snow_Predator,

You'd probably have better luck with oDesk than onlinejobs.ph

Yeh, I knew it was stupid looking for English writers in the Philippines. Shit, why am I always trying to save money!!! All these success books keep drilling into my head that I have to be willing to pay top dollar for services, and I still can't bring myself to do it.

Originally Posted by rlopez88

Why don't you try iWriter, and choose top premium writers. But the regular writers have okay English skills so maybe stick to premium writers for good quality content.

I know you get good writers on iWriter if you pay up. But I don't want to hire someone on a per-article basis. I want to hire someone full time, so they become involved in my niche.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

When their english shows some promise in their email, I am dumbfounded by how mind-numbingly BORING their articles are! It's like they're still writing for the pre google panda era, where as long as their article is accepted by EzineArticles, they've done well.

Ugh.

Well - your selection-process is working well, anyway: it's absolutely essential to avoid "boring". Whatever kind of marketing you're doing, and however you're doing it, I think, there's no money in "boring.

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

That was at a pay point of $700/month. I could try for $1,000, but I think I'm facing a big problems here

I suspect the amount you're offering isn't the problem, here.

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

The idea that you can get good work for little money in the Philippines is a farce.

Well, I have a full-time Filipino VA (whom I pay about $730 or whatever the exchange-rate is) who's absolutely brilliant, so I can't agree with you, there.

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Nurses, only because they might know someone who writes well. Otherwise, what on earth do nurses know about writing?

Of course. Nurses because where you live, they're a readily identifiable and approachable group of Filipinas, all of whom have friends and family "back at home", not because nursing has anything at all to do with writing.

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Search offline!

Definitely.

I admit I was really surprised by the standard of English among my contacts in/from the Philippines: it's really high, for a country where English is only the second language (third, in some parts, I think?).

Good luck!

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Niche Blogger 10 years ago

I pay about £500 (about $860) a month for a UK student who works for about 25 hours per week for me. It's not full time and it works out at about £5 per hour which is minimum wage for her age.

Obviously that's not enough to live on in the UK so she probably won't stick around for long, but it suits her at the moment as she's still living at home and studying part time.
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SmartWebAds

10 years ago

We have a couple of writers who work for $750/month in our Ukrainian office. They are not native English speakers. It's a good price to pay a good writer in Ukraine, so I guess it is really possible to find someone really good elsewhere.

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Snow_Predator

10 years ago

Good news folks! I think after a good few weeks of searching, I've finally found a decent Filipino writer at $700. Well actually, I advertised at $700, and he insisted that he start around $400, because he doesn't feel worthy of $700... and yet his writing is terrific!

Seriously, I went through around 60 applications, and EVERY SINGLE ONE was totally SHITE... well except one.

So, it seems good writers in the Philippines DO exist at an affordable price. Only problem is that the whole country is like a massive haystack, and you're not looking for hay.

But hay, he's only just started to work with me. He did good on his first day, lets see what the future brings (and yes, the second word in this paragraph was totally intentional. Before you start groaning, read this).

Originally Posted by SmartWebAds

We have a couple of writers who work for $750/month in our Ukrainian office. They are not native English speakers. It's a good price to pay a good writer in Ukraine, so I guess it is really possible to find someone really good elsewhere.

Meh, I don't know what to believe any more when someone tells me they know a "good" writer. I interviewed a good number of Filipinos who had excellent reviews from previous American employers, and yet their English and their writing skills SUCKED.

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DTGeorge

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

Good news folks! I think after a good few weeks of searching, I've finally found a decent Filipino writer at $700. Well actually, I advertised at $700, and he insisted that he start around $400, because he doesn't feel worthy of $700... and yet his writing is terrific!

Seriously, I went through around 60 applications, and EVERY SINGLE ONE was totally SHITE... well except one.

So, it seems good writers in the Philippines DO exist at an affordable price. Only problem is that the whole country is like a massive haystack, and you're not looking for hay.

But hay, he's only just started to work with me. He did good on his first day, lets see what the future brings (and yes, the second word in this paragraph was totally intentional. Before you start groaning, read this).

Meh, I don't know what to believe any more when someone tells me they know a "good" writer. I interviewed a good number of Filipinos who had excellent reviews from previous American employers, and yet their English and their writing skills SUCKED.

Why are you so hung up on Fillipino writers?

There are lots of writers around the world, even on this forum, who would probably do the job for the price you suggested.

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marcbank

9 years ago

Originally Posted by DTGeorge

Why are you so hung up on Fillipino writers?

There are lots of writers around the world, even on this forum, who would probably do the job for the price you suggested.

i am also very hung up on filipinos. i gues they are loyal but their level of writing service is not as good.

the real gems are hard to find

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marcbank

9 years ago

use textbrokers.

they only allow native americans to write.

so even if you have a a newbie writer, you will be paying for a native english speaker to write for you. it seems like great deal

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johnhossain1971

9 years ago

Most of the time, I write my content by myself, but sometimes I use freelancer at the fixed price rate. So there is no need to calculate about the hourly rate. If you want to hire the native English language speaker, it will charged a high amount of money. Actually there are many freelancer that the English is the 2nd language, but their writing skill is so high as Native English speaker. So you need to see the freelancer previous work sample, history & feedback. Thanks