Chicken or the Egg?

by NetPwn 15 replies
Okay this may seem like a stupid question or maybe not.

I am planning my first ever affiliate site, I have a good idea of what product I want to promote. I have NO online site as of yet so no content.

Even if I were to try and build the site offline which i am trying to do while I get the measly funds to get hosting:

(a) I can not post pictures and content of products that I have not been authorized to do so .. or can I ??

(b) How is it possible to get accepted as an affiliate if (a) is true??

This is confusing the heck out of me. In my mind ideally I could write the whole site offline including actual product pictures and content ask to be an affiliate and then be accepted.

Or is this just not going to happen?

Thank you for any insights for a confused noob.

NP
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    First, let me ask -

    How do you know that there is demand for what you want to promote? And who are you going to promote to? And where are you going to find these people?

    IMO, every marketing campaign should start with understanding demand.

    Until you know what it is, you don't know the "what, where, or who" that you should be addressing with your web site, your reviews, your content, and your marketing/advertising messages.

    I hope this makes sense because it could mean success or failure with whatever else you do to earn money online.

    Good luck to you,

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    • Profile picture of the author NetPwn
      Thank your for your reply, I have done some research and here is what I found.
      The keyword is searched 135000 times a month worldwide the US being the main with 33,100 coming from the UK.
      There are 1.2 million pages showing up with a Google search.
      After Analyzing with Market Samurai SEO competition module the top sites are:
      1: Walmart
      2:Target
      3:Sears
      4:popular.ebay
      5:Amazon.com
      6:Amazon.com
      here is the output from Market Samurai:


      In your opinion can these stats be beaten by a novice like me is it even worth going after? My thinking is big department stores like this will not hold the niche of the product I have in mind. I plan to carefully pick the cream of the crop from my keyword and have a site dedicated to that. Catering for a wide range of tastes, from generic to custom to geeky.

      Any thoughts would be great.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Make sure that the market is starving for it first. Don't just pick a product at random. Once you've established that (use a combination of Google Trends, the Keyword Planner and Market Samurai for competition, as laid out in Bring The Fresh 2014), you can then go about getting a domain name and setting up your site (I highly recommend Wordpress for this, it is SO much easier than doing it by hand, something I did as a business from 2001-2006). As far as the content goes, take the time to see what questions/problems people are having in the niche in question, and write/shoot your content around that.

    As far as being an affiliate goes, you have options like Clickbank (easiest as you just sign up for an account, get how you want to be paid set up, and go to picking products), Amazon, More Niche, Commission Junction). That's if you're doing sales of either digital or in the case of Amazon, physical goods, you have a lot of flexibility as to how you want to promote (pictures, reviews etc). Now, if you're talking about CPA or Cost Per Action, then yes that's a bit more involved as you first have to have a website, go through an application process, and then you can pick offers to promote, many of which have guidelines on how you can promote as well as what types of traffic they allow (e.g. paid, search, etc).

    This will happen if you want it to, just don't rush things I highly recommend getting a copy of Dragon Naturally Speaking and a Yeti Microphone if you're going to do the site content yourself. It's just so much easier. If you're outsourcing it, you have a lot of options. One that is always recommended is the Content Authority.

    Hope that helps you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    I concur with what's been said.

    I've built COUNTLESS Amazon review sites, affiliate sites, blogs, you name it. (Literally dozens, probably much more, I've literally lost track).

    The sad fact? I ultimately lost interest in all but like 2-3 domains hehe. (A few of them were profitable/much potential and I STILL let them fade)...

    My advice? Do LOTS of research. Also, make sure you're investing your time wisely in a project that you can see yourself staying committed to for some unforeseen amount of time.

    As far as pictures? That's a great question. When I was promoting Amazon, I was already approved to their affiliate program, so I never thought about the questions you have hehe.

    I can tell you this though; I had a separate blog I was using to get approved by Amazon.com. (They typically want to see your website URL from what I recall). So maybe something to consider is to build a separate homepage to show them that you indeed have some type of respectable web presence? - Then when they approve, you can legally use their images. (Many of Amazon's affiliate links CONTAIN the actual images of the product, so in my opinion this is implied consent to use them at will as long as you're promoting them).

    Just my random two cent brainstorming.

    PS: I'm not a lawyer, but they look cool on TV.
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    • Profile picture of the author keithb89
      Originally Posted by Sarevok View Post

      My advice? Do LOTS of research. Also, make sure you're investing your time wisely in a project that you can see yourself staying committed to for some unforeseen amount of time.
      This makes a lot of sense... I'd add that you should start generating sample content and tweaking design elements.
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  • Profile picture of the author ohman1988
    Hey man! If you're looking to get signed up for affiliate program, you should go check out jvzoo that's where I went through to get my stuff set up and there are a lot of people on there with great ideas that want nothing better then people to promote their product! You've got the right thoughts it's just a matter of putting them in to action, you should try it out and see if it works well! As for the picture problem, you could always have someone create you something new from scratch, but with your idea. I'd go check out fiverr for that bud! Hope things start getting busy for you ha You'll start figuring it out, just takes some time, and you NEED to keep organized too, that's where I almost wasn't able to take my IM business to the next level!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Catering for a wide range of tastes, from generic to custom to geeky.
    You will have a much better chance of success if you focus on one, very finely targeted "taste."
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    • Profile picture of the author NetPwn
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      You will have a much better chance of success if you focus on one, very finely targeted "taste."
      By "taste" I mean if the product were say a "whatever", i am thinking of having only maybe 4 sections on the site.
      1: stainless steel whatevers
      2: retro whatevers
      3: plug in light up usb whatevers
      4: marvel themed whatevers

      I get what you are saying by only choosing 1, but would that not cut down my potential customer list dramatically?. There is only 1 or 2 sites that i have found that are specifically targeting this product and those deal with a very wide range.
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    Hostgator has penny hosting at times so you could take advantage of that. 000webhosting is free, however I will be one of the first to admit they suck.

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  • Profile picture of the author Melissahoster
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    1. Study the market.
    2. Chalk up a solid marketing plan.
    3. Take action

    Just because you know about your product doesn't mean it has a good market or maybe it has but you don't know how to target it. So, research, analyze and then take action.

    You might or might not make bank the first time, but you would learn a lot from your mistakes.

    Best of luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rainee
    Originally Posted by NetPwn View Post

    Okay this may seem like a stupid question or maybe not.

    I am planning my first ever affiliate site, I have a good idea of what product I want to promote. I have NO online site as of yet so no content.

    Even if I were to try and build the site offline which i am trying to do while I get the measly funds to get hosting:

    (a) I can not post pictures and content of products that I have not been authorized to do so .. or can I ??

    (b) How is it possible to get accepted as an affiliate if (a) is true??

    This is confusing the heck out of me. In my mind ideally I could write the whole site offline including actual product pictures and content ask to be an affiliate and then be accepted.

    Or is this just not going to happen?

    Thank you for any insights for a confused noob.

    NP
    Get clear.

    Confusion leads to the death of way to many Entrepreneurs.

    If this niche is a passion of yours, then a multipage site may feed your spirit but not so much your bank account...at least, at first.

    If you want to make an income fast, then you need to stick with one page and get that page profitable.

    You get that one page profitable by adding some kind of value (read bonus) to the affiliate product you're marketing and promoting the bonus as if it's -- if not more than -- valuable than the affiliate product.

    (It goes without saying, you're promoting an affiliate product that is already proven to convert, right?)

    The value you offer doesn't have to be your own product or service; it can be a $5 gig from Fiverr that compliments the affiliate offer.

    Generally speaking, a service offer bonus works best because the buyer will equate high value to the bonus, if you frame it right.

    As for swiping the pics from the affiliate product, it's usually ok - just make sure you let the product owner know what you're doing and how you are going to use their images.

    That being said, there's a huge learning curve going the path you're on. Yet, you seem confident you can...

    "
    write the whole site offline including actual product pictures and content"

    This is a valuable skill. I recommend you offer your skill-set as a service and get paid for that service.

    If you don't have money for a ten dollar hosting account, you need to get your finances together because your learning curve is going to cost you a lot more than ten bucks.

    There's nothing wrong with having a shoestring budget -- that's how I started -- but you have to have that shoestring.

    Rainee
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    • Profile picture of the author NetPwn
      Thanks a lot for your great advice, really appreciated.
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    • Profile picture of the author NetPwn
      My reason for the title is simple, picture it:

      1# You want to become an affiliate for a product to make money

      2# You have no particular passion for the product but you do believe it will make you money

      3# You have no website yet but want to create something offline so you can press the button and make it live when you are ready

      4# Problem, how do you propagate your website with images of a product when you are not an affiliate yet?

      5# It is to my understanding your more unlikely to become an affiliate if you have no website already with content promoting said product.

      Chicken or the egg?

      I think the main reason is because I have no particular "passion" for this product otherwise I could write a lot of content on why this thing is "great". My main driving force is to be able to make money which I am in desperate need of. Which in itself I guess you could think of as a passion.

      Since I do not have a passion for the product which is understandable, I mean how could you be passionate about "toasters" for example? I need to find a range of these products namely images and sell them.
      My main question was do I need to be an affiliate first to be able to display images of toasters from Amazon or could I just use the images?

      Or can I use the images create the site then apply to be an affiliate?

      Thus .. Chicken or Egg.
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