I Don't Want Access To The War Room I Just Want More PM BOX Space !

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I'm not trying to stir up controversy with this thread. And I'm not even sure if this is the right section but this is something that needs to be said. Because this has slowly been brewing in my head since 2011 when I joined. And it's forcing me to stop using WF... a place I truly love to come to.

Years ago when I joined this place there was an option to become a "registered" member. And it was cheap. Like $10-$20 or something. I thought it was *BRILLIANT* to offer that option. You'd pay that small fee and get space for like 100 pm's or something.

And the only reason I wanted to become a registered member was for that extra space.

So I went back a couple months later to register (this was long before freelancer took over) and that option was GONE. It just completely disappeared.

Needless to say, I was, and still am, very teed off about this. It's the ONLY thing about this forum that I truly can't tolerate.

The only option left was to join the war room.... which I think was like $40 at the time?

I don't really remember.

At any rate, I have never wanted access to the War Room, I still don't, and I never will. I don't say this to offend WF. I think WF is great. But I already have all the free stuff I could ever need (trust me on this, I don't even use all the free templates, designs, psds, sales letters, methods that I already have).

And with all due respect, I think it's extremely careless, close minded and short sighted that WF just offers the following:

JOIN WAR ROOM - ADD IMAGE TO YOUR SIG - POST YOUR WSO

Well.... ahem, WHAT ABOUT an OPTION to >>>> GET MORE PM BOX SPACE?

We ALREADY had an option to fulfill that need aka "registered member" option... but it's like 1 day WF put profits above members needs and decided... "We don't really care if people need that extra space. Let's just bundle it up with a bunch of tutorials so we can charge $99 / yr. And for the members who just want extra space for pm's, but don't care for the war room....well, they're just SOL!"

And I'll tell you what really urks me.

90+% of forums on the net, because that space is SO CHEAP they just give it to you for FREE! Crazy huh? Or they give it to you as a way of saying, "hey, we appreciate you being a member on our forum".

The amount of free space DOES vary from forum to forum. But I have NEVER in my life joined a forum that limits your PMs to >>>> 10 messages. Why is WF the only forum I know of who is so frugal with pm box space?

I'm a member at more than 40 different forums (although I only use like 6-7 of them) but they ALL give you a decent amount of PM space for free. Just enough so members don't lose their minds like I am right now.

Now maybe.... MAYBE all these forums have it wrong. Maybe they're all struggling to pay the bills. But if you focus solely on the popular forums, the successful ones (of which there are thousands) most of those forums are fully capable of giving you 100 messages worth of free space.

Then you add in the fact that WF has a massive marketplace to make money.... a HUGE financial backing.... unlike many non internet marketing forums who have to rely on sponsors or donations for their money.

But they >>>STILL<<< won't give you more than 10 messages?

EVEN IF YOU'RE WILLING TO PAY for that extra space, they REFUSE to do it properly. Even Comcast knows better than this. They offer bundled packages too but if you don't need phone, if you don't need cable, if all you want is internet, they WILL GIVE IT TO YOU.

BECAUSE they do NOT want to lose clients.

And wouldn't any experienced consultant say that's the smartest way to go?

Give members EXACTLY what they need? Or figure out a way to reach a reasonable middle ground?

Let people like me pay for my pm's. I have no problem paying even though most forums don't charge just to send private messages. But let me pay for exactly what I need.

100 pm's does NOT cost $99 / year. Especially when the forum use to charge $10-$20 and they were most likely still pulling a profit back then. But don't try to bundle me into some yearly package that I don't value or have any desire for.

I've been a member since 2011 and I STILL have to copy pm's like a monkey into msword before I respond because I have no space to do anything.

So any message I read, I have to copy and delete before I can respond. And people might say "well just join the war room and you'll get the space" but those people are missing the point.

I am NOT paying $99 / year just to send pm's that cost a few dollars a year at most.

Not because I'm poor. I do very well for myself. This is more a matter of principle than it is about money.

I love this forum, but these past few months my time spent here has dropped dramatically. I use to come here multiple times a day, now, I come here maybe once or twice a week. I'm just so fed up with the pm box system, I have people mad at me because I refuse to copy any more pm's (so I can respond to their messages) and I refuse to join the war room because I DON'T NEED IT.

ALL I NEED IS SPACE FOR 100 PM'S.

I'll GLADLY pay $20-30 / year for that space. I'll pay what is proper and make's sense. But it makes NO SENSE at all to pay an extra $70-$80 / year for a section of the forum I will NEVER use. I don't care what "gems" are in there. I just want space to respond to messages.

That's it!

So I plead with the owners of Warrior Forum. I beg of you. Give members like me an option to pay for pm box space WITHOUT the War Room bundled in.

Otherwise I have NO CHOICE but to post on other forums. Because when I post something, sometimes I get pm's, and I LIKE to actually respond to those people. But it's NOT worth $99 / year just to do that. ESPECIALLY when I'm helping all these people out for FREE. It's my way of giving back to this forum. Because when I came here broke people did the same thing for me.

I'd LOVE to hear just *1* rational reason WHY members can't pay for extra PM space and nothing but extra PM space?

-Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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    It is only $50 for lifetime access to the war room. If you want to sepdn $20 a year, you might as well just purchase access.
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    Rob, you've been here for 3 years and Freelancer had only recently took over. Why haven't you purchased a war room subscription earlier on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Electrical
    Rob, I feel bad because a few of those PMs were mine and with them in your Inbox you most likely missed out on PMs that other people were trying to send you, most likely of a more important nature. Sorry about that.


    I do agree, 10 PMs is downright stupid. A quick conversation takes up 10 PMs. There's no way to save important messages. It's petty and I would hope the new owner would take this thread as advice and give at least 50 PMs like normal forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author TomVa
    Weird nbox contains 5 messages.
    You have 15 messages stored, of a total 500 allowed
    maybe it's because I joined the war room *shrugs*
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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by TomVa View Post

      Weird nbox contains 5 messages.
      You have 15 messages stored, of a total 500 allowed
      maybe it's because I joined the war room *shrugs*

      That's right, war room members get 500 messages.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Consider it an investment in your online marketing business. Besides, the War Room is an amazing source of resources.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    If you've been here since 2011, why bring this up now?

    I'd LOVE to hear just *1* rational reason WHY members can't pay for extra PM space and nothing but extra PM space?
    Because it's a package deal. If you've sold products, I'm sure you have packaged it with other products, so why not the WF

    As far as the war room goes, you don't have to go in there. I personally only make 1-2 trips to the war room a year, when I remember it's there.

    Edit: Now I see why you only want access to the bigger inbox, the War Room membership went up to $97/year lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    What happened to $20 a year for WR access? That's what the price was on April 15th according to an email by the Freelancer CEO.

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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      What happened to $20 a year for WR access? That's what the price was on April 15th according to an email by the Freelancer CEO.

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      I was thinking the same thing, why does Rob keep saying $99 a year when it is supposed to be $20, so I clicked on it and sure enough they upped it to $97 per year.

      But if PM's mean that much to you then pay up or shut up because they make the rules in their house.

      Personally I don't know what the big hoppla is all about because I almost never use private messages and those who make such a big deal about the space, usually use them for scrupulous reasons, not saying that it's the case here.
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      • Profile picture of the author writeaway
        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        I was thinking the same thing, why does Rob keep saying $99 a year when it is supposed to be $20, so I clicked on it and sure enough they upped it to $97 per year.

        But if PM's mean that much to you then pay up or shut up because they make the rules in their house.

        Personal I don't know what the big hoppla is all about because I almost never use private messages and those who make such a big deal about the space, usually use them for scrupulous reasons, not saying that it's the case here.
        $97 is a VERY SMALL investment in the big scheme of things. Anyone who is SERIOUS about an ONLINE BUSINESS using WF would be more than happy to pay that amount - if not MORE.
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        • Profile picture of the author George Wright
          Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

          $97 is a VERY SMALL investment in the big scheme of things. Anyone who is SERIOUS about an ONLINE BUSINESS using WF would be more than happy to pay that amount - if not MORE.
          Less than 30 cents a day to be exact.

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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        I was thinking the same thing, why does Rob keep saying $99 a year when it is supposed to be $20, so I clicked on it and sure enough they upped it to $97 per year.
        He had 3 years to pick up the lifetime option for $40, he can't cry foul now that the price went up

        Personal I don't know what the big hoppla is all about because I almost never use private messages and those who make such a big deal about the space, usually use them for scrupulous reasons
        The people that do get a lot of PM's don't bother reading them, unless of course they are selling something.
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        • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
          Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

          He had 3 years to pick up the lifetime option for $40, he can't cry foul now that the price went up
          I agree with you, I was just unaware that it was now $97. You see, Rob seems like he wants to rep the benefits without having to patronize the Warrior forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
            Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

            I agree with you, I was just unaware that it was now $97. You see, Rob seems like he wants to rep the benefits without having to patronize the Warrior forum.
            I wasn't aware it was $97/year either, but this is a case of you snooze you lose. Threatening to quit using a forum over this is a bit over the top IMO.

            There has been times where I've passed on products, only to buy them later for a much higher price. The reason? I was being cheap at the time
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            • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
              Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

              Threatening to quit using a forum over this is a bit over the top IMO.

              Like they're going to lose sleep over members who aren't going to give back by supporting the forum.
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              • Profile picture of the author writeaway
                Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

                Like they're going to lose sleep over members who aren't going to give back by supporting the forum.
                Exactly. If anything, by monetizing WF more, the new owners ensure that only SERIOUS players instead of TALKERS hang out here. SERIOUS players walk the walk.Talkers, well, you know the rest of the story. WF is improving every single day. I just hope they start charging for SIGs so they kill off a large portion of the post and alt post spam here.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Wow ... they very quietly raised the price to $97. Thought I saw the big announcement when they took over and it was at $20/year. That's a hefty price increase in a short period of time. Glad I got lifetime membership long time ago, but there are a lot of members here who are never going to be able to afford that. I rarely ever visit the War Room. Basically got it for the PM space and ability to run WSOs.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lurk
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Wow ... they very quietly raised the price to $97. Thought I saw the big announcement when they took over and it was at $20/year. That's a hefty price increase in a short period of time. Glad I got lifetime membership long time ago, but there are a lot of members here who are never going to be able to afford that. I rarely ever visit the War Room. Basically got it for the PM space and ability to run WSOs.
          Never heard of the lifetime membership one. How much was that special?
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Lurk View Post

            Never heard of the lifetime membership one. How much was that special?
            It wasn't a special. That was the price of the War Room before Allen sold the site to freelancer. $37 one time fee.
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            • Profile picture of the author Lurk
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              It wasn't a special. That was the price of the War Room before Allen sold the site to freelancer. $37 one time fee.
              Oh never even knew it was lifetime access. Thought it was for 20 years!
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              • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                Originally Posted by Lurk View Post

                Oh never even knew it was lifetime access. Thought it was for 20 years!
                It was for 20 years. When Freelancer bought the forum the gave lifetime access to all the War Room members who joined when it was set for 20 years.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          I think it's a legit complaint. 10 messages is rather pathetic if you are trying to get people to spend more and more time on the site. Let's face it, the higher the stick rate the more money, typically. Like hosting, not everyone is going to use the pm system as vigorous as the OP.

          I'm a little surprised at the amount for the war room. I have a feeling the war room isn't really the reason people are purchasing it anyway. I don't run a lot of wso's, but you should be able to make your money back and a lot more if that is why you are investing the 100 bucks. I have a feeling that is the the main reason for the majority of war room sales.

          I would be spending the money on other things if it was strictly deciding on the war room itself.

          I wouldn't be using the pm system to bring in money, nor the war room. Like I said, I bet most everyone signing up is interested in selling stuff here. By nickel and diming people, you will get a lot of people getting fed and and talking bad about the place. That doesn't do anyone good.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Basically got it for the PM space and ability to run WSOs.
          As Thomas said I'd imagine this was a big factor in the price increase. People like to complain about the quality of offerings in the WSO forum. Well, in theory raising the War Room fee to $97/ year should help solve some of that.

          That said, I'd think offering 100 PMs for $50/year would be worth testing. It's still a higher rate per PM than the War Room, but enough PMs and an affordable enough price point to appeal to those who merely want more PM space and nothing more.
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

            As Thomas said I'd imagine this was a big factor in the price increase. People like to complain about the quality of offerings in the WSO forum. Well, in theory raising the War Room fee to $97/ year should help solve some of that.

            That said, I'd think offering 100 PMs for $50/year would be worth testing. It's still a higher rate per PM than the War Room, but enough PMs and an affordable enough price point to appeal to those who merely want more PM space and nothing more.
            I think it's more than likely that greed is a bigger factor in the dramatic price increase. It may bite them though if keeping up the income in the WSO forum is a goal. At $37 one time War Room fee and $40 WSO listing fee, a lot of people felt they couldn't afford that in the beginning and this is worse. It will keep some from running WSOs altogether.

            I'm not one of those who complain and bitch about the WSO forum. I'm not a dream chaser, so I have a 99% happiness rate for everything I've ever bought from there. In addition, I buy from people who have built a reputation on this forum.

            To make a big to do about decreasing the War Room fee to $20/yr when they took over and then just quietly slip this is ... well, it's weird.
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Wow ... they very quietly raised the price to $97. Thought I saw the big announcement when they took over and it was at $20/year.
          That's the sort of info that might have been included in a weekly newsletter, but that seems to have stopped after two issues.


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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

            That's the sort of info that might have been included in a weekly newsletter, but that seems to have stopped after two issues.
            Seems it would have been mentioned somewhere. It came as news to me. I have recommended the War Room to quite a few newbies, but not lately... and I'm glad now. I recently learned about the advertisements in the War Room and now with this price increase, I can no longer say ... it's only $20 bucks and you get a lot of benefits and everything inside is free. That was my line and it's no longer true.
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            • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              Seems it would have been mentioned somewhere. It came as news to me. I have recommended the War Room to quite a few newbies, but not lately... and I'm glad now. I recently learned about the advertisements in the War Room and now with this price increase, I can no longer say ... it's only $20 bucks and you get a lot of benefits and everything inside is free. That was my line and it's no longer true.
              If you're someone who purchases a WSO or two every week, the War Room still represents good value. And with the additional feature of War Room Special Deals, it's even more geared towards prolific buyers.

              But I don't believe Allen intended the WR to become just a repository for freebies and special offers. The name itself suggests a place where members could participate in high-level discussions about state-of-the-art marketing strategies.

              As it stands, it's a bit of a misnomer.


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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                If you're someone who purchases a WSO or two every week, the War Room still represents good value. And with the additional feature of War Room Special Deals, it's even more geared towards prolific buyers.

                But I don't believe Allen intended the WR to become just a repository of freebies and special offers. The name itself suggests a place where members could participate in high-level discussions about state-of-the-art marketing strategies.

                As it stands, it's a bit of a misnomer.


                Frank
                Yep, which is why the focus of the war room shouldn't be pushed because people will get let down. Instead, I would push the offer as a signup fee for being a wso vendor and use the war room as a bonus along with more pm's.

                Even if people are purchasing mainly to sell here, there will be some disappointment when the main product isn't what was expected.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  Definitely agree with how the WR should be presented - it is over hyped. I also agree that a 10 pm limit for members who have established themselves here is too small and perhaps should be increased. On the other hand....

                  I don't agree that angry demands are the way to change things.

                  When he first came here in 2011, the OP could pay $10 registration and have 100 PMs. He said that was "exciting" - but he didn't register and pay the $10! Instead he came back months later and the offer was gone.

                  I wonder if anger over that initial "snooze you lose" offer has colored the OP's attitude toward PM space ever since.

                  Bottom line is - what the OP wants has been available at the price he says he's willing to pay. If he doesn't take an offer, it's not the fault of the forum or owners old or new.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      What happened to $20 a year for WR access? That's what the price was on April 15th according to an email by the Freelancer CEO.

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      I was thinking the same thing. Now I see they've changed it to $97/year. Since you have to be a War Room member to post WSOs, maybe it'll increase the quality of the offerings in that section if nothing else.

      That said, maybe a professional request to the administrators for an offer for more PM space would be worthwhile. I'm sure if they had enough people willing to pay $50/year (or whatever) for 100, 250, or whatever PM capacity they would at least consider it.
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  • Profile picture of the author BizQ
    Rob is right in that the limit on PM's is annoying. That is the only reason I upgraded to the war room. But I upgraded months ago when I first noticed that it would be an issue. I was going to advise Rob to just suck it up and get a membership, but that is when I thought the cost was $20 a year. I didn't know that it drastically increased.

    I would be mad too if all I wanted were PM's and I had to pay $99 a year for it. Providing at least 50 PM's should be standard on a forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Holmes
    I get far more out of this forum that I've ever put in - so it seems silly to me to ever leave this forum. I'd only do so if it dramatically changed character and didn't have the posters and information that it does now.

    I tend to consider this forum as the top of the pyramid when it comes to MMO forums - there's far less spam and far more information here than anywhere else I've seen.

    I can understand the complaint about the number of PM's... but that just means that you need to take it off the forum... what's wrong with a throwaway email account?

    Well, maybe I just don't know... I rarely use my PM privileges... I'm too busy learning!
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    The War Room for me has been of serious benefit and
    immense value to my internet marketing experience.

    It's unlikely that they will sell the extra PM space
    and maybe you should get membership to the War Room.

    (Didn't know that price change happened so fast, I guess the $20/year was a new ownership special!)
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Like they're going to lose sleep over members who aren't going to give back by supporting the forum.
    I get the "giving back" part, but I don't it buy it all the time. People are sincere in helping others, but others are full of it. They "give back" to establish themselves as an expert, get eyes on their sigs, and build a list.

    The word "give back" is overused. If you read the "give back" line with x-ray glasses, you will see "I help answer your questions so you can click my sig, get on my list, and spend money with me later"
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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      I get the "giving back" part, but I don't it buy it all the time. People are sincere in helping others, but others are full of it. They "give back" to establish themselves as an expert, get eyes on their sigs, and build a list.

      The word "give back" is overused. If you read the "give back" line with x-ray glasses, you will see "I help answer your questions so you can click my sig, get on my list, and spend money with me later"

      I know, you have to take all the giving back threads with a grain of salt, but what I meant by giving back was actually supporting the forum monetarily by purchasing a war room subscription.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        I know, you have to take all the giving back threads with a grain of salt, but what I meant by giving back was actually supporting the forum monetarily by purchasing a war room subscription.
        Some people don't see it that way. I don't get why he didn't expand his mailbox back then, if it's so important. I'd be mad too if I had to pay $97/year, after I had all these years to get a lifetime membership for $40

        I smell sour grapes on the this one :p
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    The. "Allen Says" section in the warroom is worth the price of admission. Everything else including more PM space is just gravey.

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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      The. "Allen Says" section in the warroom is worth the price of admission. Everything else including more PM space is just gravey.

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      It's funny you say that because you are exactly right. I just went to a folder on my hard drive that I named "war room hidden gems", and I came across a pdf from the Allen Says section called "The Copy Behind A ClickBank #1 Product...".

      This alone is worth the price of the subscription even at the $97 price tag. In that pdf is a zip file to the pdf which breaks down the sales copy step by step and what allowed it to be the #1 Clickbank product for over 5 weeks.


      Just like anything else online, you have to sift through all the noise to find the real hidden gems and that section of the war room who most of it's members never go to is truly worth your time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lurk
    if they ever run a war room special back to old prices of $20,$40(?) for 20 years I am buying fast!!!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Guys, seriously....

    I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE WAR ROOM.

    I do NOT care if Allen Says has *1 post* I can swipe for Clickbank. A post he most likely made over a decade ago lol. I can find hundreds of much newer, fresher pieces of copy right from the CB market place.... or the copywriting forum, or the WSO section etc.

    And if I sound "bitter" that's awesome. That means some of you actually read my OP.

    Now read this.

    I'm going to make 1 very simple point that may ruffle some of your feathers.

    To those of you who can't stop pitching the War Room, even after I made it clear that I don't want to join, consider this:

    *IF* the War Room was so great... *IF* it was "worth it's salt*... Warrior Forum would >>>NOT<<< have to bundle it with pm box space just to sell it to people.

    That's the cold, bitter truth about all of this. The truth many of you refuse to accept.

    The REAL reason Warrior Forum doesn't sell PM BOX space separately, is because many people would STOP joining the War Room. If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't have to restrict pm's just to drive members crazy. Then those same members go onto the forums where other members pitch the War Room FOR THE OWNERS.

    If there is anything I'm impressed by, it's how Warrior Forum has indoctrinated so many of you into acting as pro bono sales reps.

    To me, this isn't about money. This isn't about the war room. It's about COMMON SENSE and what is FAIR.

    I understand this is their house. But guess what? The owners' aren't paying the bills. It's the MEMBERS. Without the members they wouldn't even have a "house". And I've decided over these last 24 hours, if Warrior Forum can't meet a need as simple as letting members pay just for PM space, then this forum will never get a penny of my money.

    In fact, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. And I know WF doesn't give a damn and many of you don't give a damn.

    But I'm doing this to send a very simple and clear message.

    There is another marketing forum I like just as much as WF. But guess what? They're cool & kind enough to give members >>>500<<< pm's worth of FREE SPACE just for JOINING THEIR FORUM!!! It's that amazing?

    That's 50XS the amount of space this place gives you.

    That's what I call "paying it forward" or "pushing the free line". It's one of the most effective marketing techniques that exist.

    And what's so sad and ironic about all of this, if Warrior Forum just gave me the free space from the day I joined, and had a donate button, I would have GLADLY donated to this forum. I would have done it with a smile on my face.. And they wouldn't have solicit or try to sell me a thing. Because I DO value this forum. But not giving members enough pm space is 1 of the most petty things I can think of. You can't even give members like 50 pms? And on top of that I have to listen to people saying rubbish like "well, people who need pm's usually use them for shady stuff"! LMAO. That's why 99% of forums on the web don't charge for pm's. That's why yahoo, hotmail and gmail don't charge you a dime to register an account and send messages. Because pm's and email are just so "shady".

    But at least now I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to that other marketing forum I like. The one that likes its members enough to give them free pm's. And I'm going to donate $99 to their cause.

    Then I'm going to put a sig under my posts that says "no longer responding to pm's so don't send them".

    I'll respond to the last few people I'm having conversations with. Then anyone who pm's me after that, at least they'll know now why I'm not responding. It's not because I'm up to my neck in work. It's not because I don't like them. It's plain and simply... because of WF.

    -Rob
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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      Guys, seriously....
      If there is anything I'm impressed by, it's how Warrior Forum has indoctrinated so many of you into acting as pro bono sales reps.


      You're so wrapped up with the sense of entitlement that you think that you deserve that you can't even see the bigger picture.

      Don't you have a mom & pop store in your area that you frequent and although the prices may be a bit higher then the big chain stores, you want to see them stay in business so you patronize them just to show that you care about your community.

      By supporting that little store, I have a close relationship with the owners and not that I'm expecting anything but, they're always giving me discounts, coupons and at Christmas they send me a $25 gift card every year.

      Rob, I don't care if you join the war room or not, I'm not indoctrinated as you say, and had it been a newbie I wouldn't have wasted any time on this thread, but I have come to know you here on the forum and thought that you were a reasonable person.

      Why is it such a big deal to you anyway when we have Skype, Yahoo messenger, Microsoft Outlook and a dozen other avenues of communicating.



      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      But I'm doing this to send a very simple and clear message.

      There is another marketing forum I like just as much as WF. But guess what? They're cool & kind enough to give members >>>500<<< pm's worth of FREE SPACE just for JOINING THEIR FORUM!!! It's that amazing?

      But at least now I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to that other marketing forum I like. The one that likes its members enough to give them free pm's. And I'm going to donate $99 to their cause.

      Go ahead and send that very simple and clear message and go to that forum if you like. The warrior forum will continue with or without you.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

        Don't you have a mom & pop store in your area that you frequent and although the prices may be a bit higher then the big chain stores, you want to see them stay in business so you patronize them just to show that you care about your community.

        By supporting that little store, I have a close relationship with the owners and not that I'm expecting anything but, they're always giving me discounts, coupons and at Christmas they send me a $25 gift card every year.
        You are quite naive if you are likening freelancer to a mom and pop store. From my post here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post9305056

        I'd say the company has quite a bit of business sense and they probably also have a well defined plan for moving forward with the WF.

        This acquisition is a business move by Freelancer - not an impulse purchase or a "gee, I'd love to own a forum". The WF will be more commercial - adapting or not is the choice of each person here.
        That article implies that freelancer.com maintains growth. It's far too soon to determine whether or not that will also apply to Warrior Forum. They had a well defined plan for another popular forum also. It's now a redirect to Warrior Forum.

        Another acquisition I used to use, Scriptlance, is now a redirect to freelancer.

        RentACoder.com redirects to freelancer.

        vworker.com now redirects to freelancer.
        In a post announcing the news, Freelancer.com says that existing people on vWorker's books will be automatically transitioned to Freelancer.com, effective immediately. "We will transfer over your account balances, user profiles, reputation history, messages, employer escrow payments, active projects and past projects, so rest assured that it will be business as usual once you arrive on our platform,"

        Freelancer mulls $400m payday
        Just six years ago, Adelaide-born entrepreneur Matt Barrie bought a fledgling website for outsourcing work assignments from a Swedish entrepreneur living on a fish farm in Vanuatu. Today, Mr Barrie, 40, is considering a takeover offer for the business that could deliver him a $US400 million pay cheque.

        Freelancer.com's Matt Barrie On How To Monetise 5 Billion People - Forbes
        Much of the growth has been fuelled by 11 acquisitions, as Barrie, aged 40, has "rolled up the space" to become global market leader, at least by user numbers.

        With his shaved head and focused gaze, he has a contact sportsman's approach to business: ready to take out the opposition.

        Winner takes all

        "We want to be in every country, every language, every currency where people work on computers. The online marketplace trend is towards 'winner takes all', so we need to get big quickly."
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        • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          You are quite naive if you are likening freelancer to a mom and pop store.


          Sue, it was just an analogy for patronizing, I'm pretty sure that I'm aware that Freelancer is much much bigger.
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    • Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      Guys, seriously....

      I DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE WAR ROOM.

      I do NOT care if Allen Says has *1 post* I can swipe for Clickbank. A post he most likely made over a decade ago lol. I can find hundreds of much newer, fresher pieces of copy right from the CB market place.... or the copywriting forum, or the WSO section etc.

      And if I sound "bitter" that's awesome. That means some of you actually read my OP.

      Now read this.

      I'm going to make 1 very simple point that may ruffle some of your feathers.

      To those of you who can't stop pitching the War Room, even after I made it clear that I don't want to join, consider this:

      *IF* the War Room was so great... *IF* it was "worth it's salt*... Warrior Forum would >>>NOT<<< have to bundle it with pm box space just to sell it to people.

      That's the cold, bitter truth about all of this. The truth many of you refuse to accept.

      The REAL reason Warrior Forum doesn't sell PM BOX space separately, is because many people would STOP joining the War Room. If that wasn't the case, they wouldn't have to restrict pm's just to drive members crazy. Then those same members go onto the forums where other members pitch the War Room FOR THE OWNERS.

      If there is anything I'm impressed by, it's how Warrior Forum has indoctrinated so many of you into acting as pro bono sales reps.

      To me, this isn't about money. This isn't about the war room. It's about COMMON SENSE and what is FAIR.

      I understand this is their house. But guess what? The owners' aren't paying the bills. It's the MEMBERS. Without the members they wouldn't even have a "house". And I've decided over these last 24 hours, if Warrior Forum can't meet a need as simple as letting members pay just for PM space, then this forum will never get a penny of my money.

      In fact, I'll tell you what I'm going to do. And I know WF doesn't give a damn and many of you don't give a damn.

      But I'm doing this to send a very simple and clear message.

      There is another marketing forum I like just as much as WF. But guess what? They're cool & kind enough to give members >>>500<<< pm's worth of FREE SPACE just for JOINING THEIR FORUM!!! It's that amazing?

      That's 50XS the amount of space this place gives you.

      That's what I call "paying it forward" or "pushing the free line". It's one of the most effective marketing techniques that exist.

      And what's so sad and ironic about all of this, if Warrior Forum just gave me the free space from the day I joined, and had a donate button, I would have GLADLY donated to this forum. I would have done it with a smile on my face.. And they wouldn't have solicit or try to sell me a thing. Because I DO value this forum. But not giving members enough pm space is 1 of the most petty things I can think of. You can't even give members like 50 pms? And on top of that I have to listen to people saying rubbish like "well, people who need pm's usually use them for shady stuff"! LMAO. That's why 99% of forums on the web don't charge for pm's. That's why yahoo, hotmail and gmail don't charge you a dime to register an account and send messages. Because pm's and email are just so "shady".

      But at least now I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to that other marketing forum I like. The one that likes its members enough to give them free pm's. And I'm going to donate $99 to their cause.

      Then I'm going to put a sig under my posts that says "no longer responding to pm's so don't send them".

      I'll respond to the last few people I'm having conversations with. Then anyone who pm's me after that, at least they'll know now why I'm not responding. It's not because I'm up to my neck in work. It's not because I don't like them. It's plain and simply... because of WF.

      -Rob
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOJerry
    Almost every site forum or not offers simlar packages. Package 1 gives you X, package 2 gives you package 1 plus 3 more things. Then package 3 gives you package 2 plus 4 more things.

    If you want any one of those other options you have to buy the whole package.
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    it's bundled because whether you want access to the war room or not, this is a place of business/business networking. If you want to do that here (seriously) then you should pay a little bit for the privilege, we all did.

    Basically you're buying a membership to the forum, not just the war room. Just think of the war room as a perk to getting private messages!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I don't get the $97 price as this was the story a couple months ago:

      All War Room members will have their 20 year membership extended to lifetime, immediately. Moving forward new memberships will be $20 per year.
      At $20 a year I'd say get over it - don't visit the War Room but pay $20 and get the PM space you want. I wouldn't pay $97 for it, though....or for extra PM space either.

      I'm going to that other marketing forum I like. The one that likes its members enough to give them free pm's. And I'm going to donate $99 to their cause.
      Your choice. But it seems like a lot of trouble to end up with the same thing in the end...
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      • Profile picture of the author Ebbo
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I don't get the $97 price as this was the story a couple months ago:

        All War Room members will have their 20 year membership extended to lifetime, immediately. Moving forward new memberships will be $20 per year.

        At $20 a year I'd say get over it - don't visit the War Room but pay $20 and get the PM space you want. I wouldn't pay $97 for it, though....or for extra PM space either.



        Your choice. But it seems like a lot of trouble to end up with the same thing in the end...
        I don't think it is lifetime. Mine only says 20 years -
        War Room Subscription (One Time Payment) 5th June 2012 5th June 2032

        Not that I may still be alive by then, but it was not changed to lifetime.
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  • Wow...yikes...I'm feeling a bit hesitant but here I go....

    I did read the comments here and quite frankly, I don't feel bad about spending $97 a year for this whatsoever...in fact I was looking at it this morning. When I have the cash, I'll sign up and I won't regret it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Electrical
      Originally Posted by ChantalVanderlaan View Post

      Wow...yikes...I'm feeling a bit hesitant but here I go....

      I did read the comments here and quite frankly, I don't feel bad about spending $97 a year for this whatsoever...in fact I was looking at it this morning. When I have the cash, I'll sign up and I won't regret it.
      I'm just curious, why is it ok for you and everyone else who posted in this thread to post your own opinion, but for some reason it's wrong for the OP to post his?

      What's wrong with giving a business some feedback? I've had people call me and tell me my prices are too high or they don't like the way I do things. I take their advice into consideration, I don't attack them for having feedback and a difference of opinion.

      All I see are a bunch of insults and digs aimed at the OP, many of them are based off of lies such as someone saying the OP is trying to get something for free when he clearly said he would pay for PMs.

      There's nothing wrong with giving feedback. Everyone in this thread has given their own feedback, but the thing is that many people have attacked the OP for giving his.

      Honestly, when reading the thread it looks like a bunch of brainwashed fools protecting their infallible leader.
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      • I never said it was wrong it for anyone to post his/her opinion...nor did I say it was wrong to give feedback. This is simply what I said - I actually did look at the membership this morning and sure $97 is a little steep for me right now, but I wouldn't say no...I own a brick and mortar business so don't give me the speech on being overpriced - I get it.

        Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

        I'm just curious, why is it ok for you and everyone else who posted in this thread to post your own opinion, but for some reason it's wrong for the OP to post his?

        What's wrong with giving a business some feedback? I've had people call me and tell me my prices are too high or they don't like the way I do things. I take their advice into consideration, I don't attack them for having feedback and a difference of opinion.

        All I see are a bunch of insults and digs aimed at the OP, many of them are based off of lies such as someone saying the OP is trying to get something for free when he clearly said he would pay for PMs.

        There's nothing wrong with giving feedback. Everyone in this thread has given their own feedback, but the thing is that many people have attacked the OP for giving his.

        Honestly, when reading the thread it looks like a bunch of brainwashed fools protecting their infallible leader.
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        • Profile picture of the author Electrical
          Originally Posted by ChantalVanderlaan View Post

          I never said it was wrong it for anyone to post his/her opinion...nor did I say it was wrong to give feedback. This is simply what I said - I actually did look at the membership this morning and sure $97 is a little steep for me right now, but I wouldn't say no...I own a brick and mortar business so don't give me the speech on being overpriced - I get it.
          You're right, most of what I said shouldn't have been aimed at you. You just gave your opinion, which is fine. My beef is that the majority of the posters in this thread will pat you on the back while attacking the OP for doing the same thing, giving honest feedback.
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          • Profile picture of the author realdealseo
            Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

            You're right, most of what I said shouldn't have been aimed at you. You just gave your opinion, which is fine. My beef is that the majority of the posters in this thread will pat you on the back while attacking the OP for doing the same thing, giving honest feedback.
            I would like to thank the OP, Electrical and instant muscle for their insight into this forum

            First of all, I am brand new to this forum. The warrior forum has a stigma as being a place that newbies and people that want to sell things to suckers come to.

            Now this being said I have found out in the last day and a half that this does not seem to be the case.

            There is a ton of helpful information and some very experienced members with a wealth of information.

            That being said. Having a 10 message PM limit and forcing people to buy a membership on a yearly basis is ludicrous. Especially when there are (in my humble opinion) far more advanced forums such as ********** and iranjav who do not charge for being a member.

            Not trying to ruffle any feathers.

            Just my 2 Cents.


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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    I was thinking the same thing... a whopping 10 PMs. It sure is a pain in the butt to have to delete PMs constantly so you can send messages and accept new messages.

    Though, it's really easy for someone to get ahold of me outside of WF if it's that important to them.

    Also, what's the other marketing forum?
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Hey Rob,

    I see under your name "Sell or Die,"

    Awesome Credo because nothing happens unless a sale is made. Period.

    So I got to thinking, (Was going to PM you but had second thoughts about that ) I got to thinking about my experience here on the 'Ol WF.

    Side Bar: "Sell or Die" makes me think you are a salesman of some kind, forgive me if I jumped to the wrong conclusion.

    Anyway RE: my experience with the management and other "large and in charge" people here on the WF is that they are just that, "People," people who are reasonable and ready to grant almost any reasonable request.

    So back to "sell or die" as a salesman you probably already know the old saying, "The only thing certain in life is death and taxes, EVERYTHING else is negotiable."

    Really believing that I've asked for many concessions over the years. I've personally asked Allen Says for exceptions to rules and he has granted them. I've negotiated other concessions with other's here (mostly to help fellow Warriors in need) and NEVER have I been turned down. (At least I don't remember if I have),

    So Negotiate, Ask Admin for more PM space and say why you need it, being sure to state "What's in it for him,"

    At worst you'll get a no and can do what you must.

    At best you will get a yes and be happy.

    And even more better perhaps others will benefit from your negotiations by getting more PM space.

    Hey it never hurts to try.

    My best to you,

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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    I think that there are many ways to contact
    others outside the WF that doesn't cost as much as War Room membership.

    You have plenty of options.

    I don't think 500 PM space without some form of cost is going to happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
    Actually, I second this. I have no interest in the War Room but I'm interested in paying 50% of that ONLY for a bigger inbox.
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    • Profile picture of the author Electrical
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post


      At present, if the only way to get the PM volume you need is to join the War Room, then join it...it's obviously not a big deal, especially if you're willing to donate $99 to another forum (kind of on the petty side with that one Rob).
      It's not petty at all, it's called voting with your feet. He doesn't like the company's service so he is giving his feedback and being honest about possibly not patronizing this company anymore.

      The only thing that is petty is a 10 PM limit used as a way to get people to join a program that they wouldn't otherwise be interested it. It's the epitome of petty. It's like walking into a restaurant and finding out that they charge you $100 for a chair to sit in.

      I am a member of many forums, I pay subscriptions to some of them for added benefits. NO forum that I have ever seen has a PM limit as low as 10. That's 5 each way so even after a very short conversation you have to remember to delete PMs or you will miss new ones.
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        • Profile picture of the author Electrical
          Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

          In order to "Patronize" something, you have to spend money at it.
          That's not true. When it comes to the internet, merely showing up at a forum is patronizing it. You do realize that many profitable forums don't charge anything, correct?

          You continue to give your opinion while telling someone else why their own isn't valid.

          I'm not going to continue to argue with you because you are being extremely childish and petty over such a small little thing.
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            • Profile picture of the author Electrical
              Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

              I never realized all the spammers were considered "Patrons" of the WF.
              Oh no? You don't think the fact that they come here, show as visitors, register as members, make posts, and generally make the forum seem like a much more popular place doesn't do anything for the forum's bottom dollar?

              While spamming to a certain degree might degrade the forum, I think you'd be insane to say that the OP doesn't do the exact opposite.


              And the point you keep missing is we're not talking about other forums.
              No, the point that you are missing is that we are talking about other forums. Sorry "BIG Mike", but you don't get to set the parameters of our discussion. Comparing one business to another is a perfectly acceptable form of feedback. Just because it doesn't coincide with your opinion, it doesn't mean you can exclude it from the conversation.

              Since you clearly want it so badly, the last word is yours.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

                Oh no? You don't think the fact that they come here, show as visitors, register as members, make posts, and generally make the forum seem like a much more popular place doesn't do anything for the forum's bottom dollar?

                That MAY be an argument for a young startup forum but not for WF. Thats kind of pushing it
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                • Profile picture of the author Electrical
                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  That MAY be an argument for a young startup forum but not for WF. Thats kind of pushing it
                  This is the full quote, the second paragraph puts it into better perspective:

                  Oh no? You don't think the fact that they come here, show as visitors, register as members, make posts, and generally make the forum seem like a much more popular place doesn't do anything for the forum's bottom dollar?

                  While spamming to a certain degree might degrade the forum, I think you'd be insane to say that the OP doesn't do the exact opposite.
                  I stand by my opinion that people who come to forums and contribute are in fact patronizing the forum, even if they don't purchase services.
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                • Profile picture of the author Electrical
                  Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

                  Since this forum seems to provide you with some value, a better question might be is why aren't you a paid member? If you want to freeload off a paid system, that's your business, but you seriously need to drop this entitlement attitude.
                  This statement from you just proved that you don't even know how the system works.

                  This is not a "paid system", it's a free forum. I "pay" my way just by taking part in the forum. Yes, they make money from me, even tho I don't send them a check.

                  I am most certainly -not- "freeloading" since I don't use any of the resources that the owners require payment for. I also am not entitled. If I feel 10 PMs is too low of a limit, I am allowed to voice that opinion. The same way as how I am allowed to say that a 10 minute commercial break is too long during a network TV show. Do you understand the correlation? You see, I'm not paying to watch that show either, altho they are making money from me doing do. And as a "customer" my feedback is important.

                  You really need to learn the basics, this is simple stuff here that you still don't understand...
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
                    Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

                    I am most certainly -not- "freeloading" since I don't use any of the resources that the owners require payment for. I also am not entitled. If I feel 10 PMs is too low of a limit, I am allowed to voice that opinion. The same way as how I am allowed to say that a 10 minute commercial break is too long during a network TV show. Do you understand the correlation? You see, I'm not paying to watch that show either, altho they are making money from me doing do. And as a "customer" my feedback is important.
                    Good comparison that makes sense.

                    However, let's say NBC had an option that allowed for 30 second commercials instead of 10 minutes and the cost was at various times $20 lifetime, $37 lifetime, $20 a year, and now $97 a year.

                    Let's say that one of those customers came in ranting about how even though they had procrastinated upgrading at each point they had that option to buy in the past, that they would still pay for it now at the previous prices (which is no longer an option):
                    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post


                    ALL I NEED IS SPACE FOR 100 PM'S.

                    I'll GLADLY pay $20-30 / year for that space. I'll pay what is proper and make's sense.
                    and then threatened that if NBC didn't give him that option now on his terms he was going to switch to CBS. There probably wouldn't be a lot of support for his outburst even if it made sense at some level.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Chris Grable
                    Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

                    This statement from you just proved that you don't even know how the system works.

                    This is not a "paid system", it's a free forum. I "pay" my way just by taking part in the forum. Yes, they make money from me, even tho I don't send them a check.

                    I am most certainly -not- "freeloading" since I don't use any of the resources that the owners require payment for. I also am not entitled. If I feel 10 PMs is too low of a limit, I am allowed to voice that opinion. The same way as how I am allowed to say that a 10 minute commercial break is too long during a network TV show. Do you understand the correlation? You see, I'm not paying to watch that show either, altho they are making money from me doing do. And as a "customer" my feedback is important.

                    You really need to learn the basics, this is simple stuff here that you still don't understand...
                    I THINK that part of the reason that non-paid members get such low PM spaces is that history shows us that when more is available (more what you ask?... just about anything with value)... a bunch of knuckleheads show up and start using those free/valueless resources to bug the paid members with needless drivel and outright spam.... thereby forcing the paid member to spend more of their most precious commodity... time. I think it works just fine the way it is...

                    Cheers,
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                    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
                      Originally Posted by Chris Grable View Post

                      I THINK that part of the reason that non-paid members get such low PM spaces is that history shows us that when more is available (more what you ask?... just about anything with value)... a bunch of knuckleheads show up and start using those free/valueless resources to bug the paid members with needless drivel and outright spam.... thereby forcing the paid member to spend more of their most precious commodity... time. I think it works just fine the way it is...

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                      I don't understand how that has anything to do with the low PM space limit.

                      Paid members already get a 500 PM message limit, so how would increasing the PM box limit for non War Room members mean that paid members would get bugged by needless drivel and outright spam?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    I have been loving most of the changes by the new management and even getting tired of seeing the complaints but even I have to admit - thats a steep price increase.

    In defense of the OP. for those who don't know him you might want to dial it back a little. I don't know about now but for a good part of his time here he worked for and with an offline company and his primary activities were NOT IM but ranking and getting traffic for his company website. I can completely understand why he did not have an interest in the war room.

    We have to understand that interest in WF can go well beyond being steeped in internet marketing,That said I think this could have been addressed as less of a rant. To my eyes Alaister has been very responsive to requests and I doubt he and the team would skip over a poll or request from many members. The other issue is perhaps that PM functionality can really spike server load and its a way of discouraging use? I don't know but its not always about what we think its about.
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    • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      In defense of the OP. for those who don't know him you might want to dial it back a little. I don't know about now but for a good part of his time here he worked for and with an offline company and his primary activities were NOT IM but ranking and getting traffic for his company website. I can completely understand why he did not have an interest in the war room.

      Mike, yes most of us do know Rob but it was he who set the tone in his op which resulted in all the negative replies that he received.

      So far Alaister has been very active with suggestions and member feedback and Rob could have certainly posted his thread in Suggestion Forum and with a more respectful tone and I'm willing to bet that he would have been welcomed with gleaming replies from other members.

      My question is why did none of this bother him for the past 3 to 4 years why now suddenly? With that being said, I do think that $97 per year is a bit much and I don't know the reasoning behind it but I do know that Freelancer is and has been very successful in their past endeavors and this decision most likely went through their think tank before finalization.

      @Rob
      All is not lost as decisions here on the forum have been reversed in the past as we have seen first hand with the $10 registration fee. I would suggest creating a thread in the suggestion forum because that's where this should have been posted in the first place, not as a rant but as a concerned member.


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      People have to realize that the original post will always set the tone for the discussion, it's human nature. All it took was you to join in with a reasonable tone and seeing both sides of the argument to change my tone to a less defensive mode.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    When I am logged out the link to join the War Room on the main page says $97 a year but the link in the lower right corner points to a page that still states it is $20 a year. One of them is correct.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    One way to look at it is this:

    1. You had a chance at $20 or so to become a registered member which would have solved the problem but didn't. I personally don't remember that option but I may not have seen it since I was already a member.

    2. You had a chance at $37 to solve the problem but didn't. You don't have to access the War Room. Just don't go in there.

    3. You had another option at $20 a year from the new owners to solve the problem but didn't. Again just stay away from the War Room.

    4. Now the only current option is $97 a year. Once more you don't have to go in the WR but that's the only option - take it or leave it. You've made it clear you are going to leave it. Okay that's your choice.

    But with all the chances you've had you still haven't done it. You say now that you'd pay X amount for more PMs but you didn't before and if they don't give you that option you are just going to leave but you'll gladly pay someone else just out of spite.

    Just look at it like $97 a year is what it costs to get more PMs. Prices go up you know? Whether that is right or too expensive or fair or popular or whatever doesn't really matter. If you want more PMs that is the cost. Ignore the War Room. Pay the $$ and you get more PMs.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    I think this thread is deserving of an award!

    I can't remember when I've seen so much bandwidth wasted
    on such a petty and trivial subject.

    You negative types have all heard of email, right?

    Here's a simple solution... start your own forum and give away
    as many PMs as you like. Meanwhile, if the intent of the OP was
    to sway the owners I'd say he's a colossal failure. I doubt you get
    far with any business owner by whining and bitching publicly about
    your personal problem (yes... you procrastinated and caused your
    own problem).

    I can't imagine the OP... being the consummate salesman and all... actually
    thought he'd get a positive result taking the adverserial tone he chose. For
    you newbie copywriters... the OP and subsequent responses are not stellar
    examples of how to win friends and influence people.

    Move along, now. Nothing of value is happening here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
      I suggest that everyone who agrees with the OP shows their support by sending him a PM.

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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Originally Posted by Harvey Segal View Post

        I suggest that everyone who agrees with the OP shows their support by sending him a PM.

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        and that my friend, wins the comedic post of the day award, in my opinion. You made me choke on my coffee, Harvey!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        When I am logged out the link to join the War Room on the main page says $97 a year but the link in the lower right corner points to a page that still states it is $20 a year. One of them is correct.
        I noted the same - and it's past time Alaister or a moderator posted to clear up the discrepancy. Wouldn't you think?


        The complaint in this thread is not a "forum problem" - it's personal problem. The OP WANTS more space - but only under his terms.

        At any time up until 2 months ago - he could have increased his PM space on a PERMANENT BASIS by paying $37 one time. It was his choice not to do that.

        You think we have a lot of spam and senseless posts now? Try giving greatly increased PM space to all the free members who want full access to all the other members without paying a dime.

        Then try to tell those people that spamming by PM isn't allowed....good luck with that. PMs are restricted for good reason - because THIS forum, unlike many others, does not allow members to "promote by PM".

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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I noted the same - and it's past time Alaister or a moderator posted to clear up the discrepancy. Wouldn't you think?


          The complaint in this thread is not a "forum problem" - it's personal problem. The OP WANTS more space - but only under his terms.


          kay
          I guess that depends on how you look at it Kay. If this was my site, I would be doing what I can to make sure people spend all day here, everyday. That means more money for me.

          If people are talking about leaving because they get only 10 pms at one time, I would want to know about it.

          That is an easy fix to keep people happy and staying on the site... which makes me more money.

          I would say this is a forum problem with a personal twist.
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          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
            Hi Thomas,

            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            If this was my site, I would be doing what I can to make sure people spend all day here, everyday. That means more money for me.
            I presume that they'd prefer to nudge people from here over to freelancer, especially after reading this link from the post (#62) above -

            Freelancer mulls $400m payday

            I would presume that this site is viewed as a feeder for that site.
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              I guess that depends on how you look at it Kay. If this was my site, I would be doing what I can to make sure people spend all day here, everyday. That means more money for me.
              Many forums have disabled the PM system completely. The WF responded to PM trolling by limited access for free members. It worked.

              When you have a problem you look for a solution.

              Since joining, the OP could have paid $37 one time and had all the PM space he wanted for 20 years. He didn't do it. In the past two months he could pay $20 per year for that PM space. He didn't want to.

              If people could just buy "PM space" you couldn't stop the spamming or the trolling or the idiot promotions by people joining just to have access to the PM system.

              If the limit of ten is restrictive - clear your pm's (received AND sent) a couple times a day and start over.
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              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                Many forums have disabled the PM system completely. The WF responded to PM trolling by limited access for free members. It worked.

                When you have a problem you look for a solution.
                There is a fine line between doing what is necessary to keeping a forum running well to pissing off customers or members that help bring in people that do spend money.

                I don't think anyone is arguing that a limit is bad. But let's be real, we are talking about a 10 pm limit. I think if someone has been around for some time, like the OP seems to have, he isn't likely to be spamming through pm.

                The reason I am bringing this up is to show there is other options to taking care of spam without hurting the user experience. As a person who develops software, I have had to figure out a way to protect my investment while not making my customer's life a living hell.

                I seem to be working on that daily.


                Since joining, the OP could have paid $37 one time and had all the PM space he wanted for 20 years. He didn't do it. In the past two months he could pay $20 per year for that PM space. He didn't want to.
                A 10pm limit isn't reasonable, imo. To be honest, I wouldn't be spending much time anywhere with such a cap. I certainly wouldn't purchase an upgrade if it wasn't business related. Not everyone is using this forum for business reasons. Plenty of buyers on this forum that are not interested in selling stuff. This limit affects them as well.

                If the limit of ten is restrictive - clear your pm's (received AND sent) a couple times a day and start over.
                As I said, there is a fine line between making an experience enjoyable and one not so much. A limit of 10 pms is in the not so much category, imo.

                You seem to be looking at this as a buyer while I am looking at as a seller.

                As a forum that makes money selling ads, I would want the buyers, of those offers, to stay around and spend more money. I certainly wouldn't want to put them off with silly limitations like 10 pms. I
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

              Hi Thomas,



              I presume that they'd prefer to nudge people from here over to freelancer, especially after reading this link from the post (#62) above -

              Freelancer mulls $400m payday

              I would presume that this site is viewed as a feeder for that site.
              You're right about that. One quote from Barrie said with WF, they acquired 735,000 members. Here's another quote:

              For Barrie, Freelancer.com's latest acquisition of Warrior Forum has been in the works for a long time and is a valuable notch in the company's belt.

              "With Warrior Forum, I'd been negotiating for literally three to four years, so it's been quite a long time," said Barrie. "This is the world's largest internet marketing forum marketplace and community and it's one of the very key areas for Freelancer."

              Barrie also pointed out that Warrior Forum's community represents a particularly 'high quality' user base, with about 40 percent of the platform's traffic coming from the US and about 10 percent from the UK.

              "It's pretty critical and it's a massively high traffic website globally. It's in the top 100 in Australia and the top 150 in the United States and United Kingdom," said Barrie. "No other internet marketing community in the world has really come close to the scale and the brand recognition of Warrior Forum. That's really an amazing community."
              Well, my view is ... with WF, they've acquired a vBulletin license, their own new design and a trademark. Period. They don't own the membership and it's on them to retain them. I seriously doubt that the majority of members of a "business" "entrepreneurial" forum are going to follow meekly over to freelancer and be absorbed by them.

              I for one have zero intention of being a freelancer. Been there, done that. So, while they may think they've acquired a massive community, they haven't really. Do you know how many members there are who are probably barely even aware that the forum is under new ownership. Those would be the thousands of members who bury themselves in the WSO forum and never come up for a breath of air. You never see them anywhere except the WSO forum.
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              • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                Regarding the OP`s request: I too think Rob should have taken advantage of the $37 for 20 years deal before Freelancer took over. I don`t think the PM upgrade only is a good idea and I feel that way because I have owned my own forums before and know how hard it is to combat spammers, hackers and the like. My forums were small - less than 1000 members - so think of the headaches a 700,000 strong community creates. Yikes! My hats of to Allen and his core group of mods, and of course the long-standing members who propelled this place to what it is today.

                This forum is different - and now it is even more `different` - like Suzanne, I have no intention of becoming a member of Freelancer - and I can`t help agree that without the members, this forum would be nothing. I think it would behoove the folks at Freelancer to remember that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ebbo
    There is the option to download and save all your PM's to keep track of your conversations if you chose to do so due to limited PM function.

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    Posted a screenshot of it, however the image came out quite small.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    I stand by my opinion that people who come to forums and contribute are in fact patronizing the forum, even if they don't purchase services
    Save your breath dude, no need to go back and forth on what "patronizing" is.

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    verb \ˈpā-trə-ˌnīz, ˈpa-\ : to give money or support to (someone or something)

    : to be a frequent or regular customer or user of (a place)


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    Going back and forth over what "patronizing" means is childish and irrelevant. The bottom line is, the OP had 3+ years to expand his inbox, and chose not to for what ever reason.


    This is nothing more than sour grapes IMO. If the new owners made an exception just for him, and let him join the war for the old $37 lifetime, I'm sure he'd jump on it like flies on dog crap.


    I have passed on low prices in the past, only to have to pay the full price later. The OP only has one person to blame, and that is himself.

    I think it's more than likely that greed is a bigger factor in the dramatic price increase.
    That is the first thing that comes to mind, but I doubt that is the reason behind it, if anything it will turn paying customers away. I really think it has to do with the ability run WSO's. People moaned and groaned about the $20 WSO and this will help slow things down.

    It's like never ending cycle... try to please one crowd and piss off the next crowd. I think the new owners biggest mistake was to publicly ask for feedback, they should have just used Allen's old suggest forum.

    When he first came here in 2011, the OP could pay $10 registration and have 100 PMs. He said that was "exciting" - but he didn't register and pay the $10! Instead he came back months later and the offer was gone.
    That is very suspect. That sounds like someone who has no Paypal account or is cheap as hell.
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  • So many ppl try pm'ng me to no avail because of limited space and me not even realizing it's full...it should be UNLIMITED so warriors can connect better with each other as sometimes you have messages for just specific ppl.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      Originally Posted by MarketSecretsBlogger View Post

      So many ppl try pm'ng me to no avail because of limited space and me not even realizing it's full...it should be UNLIMITED so warriors can connect better with each other as sometimes you have messages for just specific ppl.

      How does someone who only has 53 post's, have "so many people" Pming you? Do you contact them first?

      I agree 10 PM's is small. Can you send out emails if your inbox is full?
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      • Profile picture of the author Lurk
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post


        When he first came here in 2011, the OP could pay $10 registration and have 100 PMs. He said that was "exciting" - but he didn't register and pay the $10! Instead he came back months later and the offer was gone.

        I wonder if anger over that initial "snooze you lose" offer has colored the OP's attitude toward PM space ever since.
        Interesting points, i'd like to hear his rebuttal.

        Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

        How does someone who only has 53 post's, have "so many people" Pming you?
        lol
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by MarketSecretsBlogger View Post

      So many ppl try pm'ng me to no avail because of limited space and me not even realizing it's full...it should be UNLIMITED so warriors can connect better with each other as sometimes you have messages for just specific ppl.
      Unlimited would be ideal, but even WR members only get 400 messages I think. I guess this must be due to server limitations or why not give WR members unlimited messages.

      I think a reasonable compromise would be make it so people who have been WF members for at least 1 year, the PM box limit is increased to 50 messages.
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  • Profile picture of the author waterotter
    Unlimited would be ideal, but even WR members only get 400 messages I think so I guess it must be due to server limitations or why not give WR members unlimited messages.
    WR members are allowed 500 messages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gambino
    Saw this post a while back and figured someone from Freelancer would have chimed in by now but apparently not.

    I'm in the same boat as the OP. I've never had any interest in the war room. Nor will I ever. The PM limits are essentially useless on this site for non-war room members, but we've known that. If you post here and want to continue posting here, you have to live with the 'rules'. If not, we're free to leave.

    I'd think a forum, which is designed to bring people together (and obviously create a profit for Freelancer), you'd want your users interacting whether it's on the forum or in private. Who knows, I'm still waiting to here from a Freelancer rep.

    I do recall getting an email that changed the fee to $20 per year, I believe. And while I had no interest in it at $37 for 20 years, or $20 for one year, or now $97 for one year.. I think it's a bit of a sleazy practice to hike the price up 5x without telling anyone. Granted, WF may have sent out one of those useless newsletters about it, I don't really know, they go straight to my spam folder.
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    • Profile picture of the author Niche Blogger
      I'm new to the forum (although not to Internet Marketing). I had also heard it was $20 to upgrade, and before joining the forum I clicked on the red war room banner at the bottom right which also says it is $20 to upgrade. I thought I would upgrade straight away only to find the payment button said $97

      I've contacted the helpdesk to find out which is right, although I presume it's $97 and I've just missed the boat.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

    ALL I NEED IS SPACE FOR 100 PM'S.

    I'll GLADLY pay $20-30 / year for that space.
    Rob, a quick question, if I may (wouldn't want to risk aggravating you by asking it by private message ): why didn't you just start off a thread in the Suggestions Forum asking the new owners of the forum if they might consider offering larger PM-space for $20-$30 per year, now that War Room membership costs $97?

    I suspect that such a thread might actually have found quite a bit of support from other members, because it certainly doesn't seem an unreasonable idea, in principle?

    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

    I'd LOVE to hear just *1* rational reason WHY members can't pay for extra PM space and nothing but extra PM space?
    You may have a very good point, but isn't this whole thread rather a "challenging" way of making your suggestion? If I were the forum's new owner, who's been here about 2 months, I'm not at all sure how I'd react to being asked quite like this: I might well feel that there was quite a lot of "personal historical baggage" behind the question which really had absolutely nothing to do with me or my business at all (and I'd certainly wonder why you didn't take advantage of the $20 offer while it was available) ...


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  • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
    I really don't understand all the fuss about a larger PM box...Maybe they should change it to 50 or something, but then again, why get nostalgic about old messages? If you need info in the messages then copy and paste it...When you've done that, delete it...
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    • Profile picture of the author Electrical
      Originally Posted by JensSteyaert View Post

      I really don't understand all the fuss about a larger PM box...Maybe they should change it to 50 or something, but then again, why get nostalgic about old messages? If you need info in the messages then copy and paste it...When you've done that, delete it...
      This has been mentioned many times. A rather short conversation with only 1 person can fill up your PM box quickly (both received and sent messages count towards the limit). At any time you may have multiple conversations going on. If you don't constantly delete messages and your inbox fills, you now miss messages that people try to send you.

      10 is extremely low. Most forums have a base 50 or 100 PM limit and then often will offer a higher limit to paid subscriptions. Warrior forums has a limit lower than any other forum I have ever seen. It was a decision that someone made at some point and many people think it's silly.
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  • Profile picture of the author iluvmoney
    This is 2014 can we have at least 20 - 30 pm's then!! 10 is ridiculous!
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by iluvmoney View Post

      This is 2014 can we have at least 20 - 30 pm's then!! 10 is ridiculous!
      I don't know why 10 PM's is the limit when even free forums like ProphpBB have unlimited PMs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Sperry
    Just a few random thoughts:

    Some people in this thread that don't like the 10 PM limit have spent way more than an hour posting their displeasure. They likely could have made $97 during the time they have been posting and had the money to join the War Room and get more PM privileges if they had focused on making some money instead of something so trivial.

    You don't have the money or simply don't want to pay $97? Fine, post your email address in your signature or PM it to the people you want to communicate with. There are a lot of ways to communicate outside of PM's and truthfully most of us with real businesses use PM's only as a temporary resort. "But I don't want to give out my email!" Fine, so you are saying that in your view PM's are somehow a more secure or superior way to communicate in some cases. Then step up to the plate and pay for that superior means of communicating.

    For those that argue that there are other forums that give xxx PM's for free - that is a very poor comparison. This is a huge forum with its own unique challenges. Until you have run a forum with hundreds of thousands of members you can only guess at the reason for their business decisions.

    For those that argue that the admin should just make an option to pay a smaller fee just for more PM's see the paragraph above. Sometimes things that sound simple and reasonable are not cost effective when looking at the big picture. Do the owners want to create new programming for the PM tracking, billing, etc. for a few dozen, hundred, or even a few thousand people that might pay for the option? Do they want to increase customer service help since in almost every case when a new option is added there are commensurate issues to deal with?

    I for one think the forum is worth $97 a year even if there was no War Room and zero PM privileges. It has been, and still is, an incredible source of free information. Because of this forum there have been dozens of ways I tweaked things to make more money. It has also saved me tons of money and time with the things I have picked up. There are many awesome members that contribute current tips and methods that have been tried and tested. I just can't imagine how I would have made any IM progress without discovering the WF in the early 2000's.

    I sincerely mean nothing personal in my comments and I could be very wrong in my reasoning since I likely don't send 10 PM's in a whole year.
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by Janice Sperry View Post

      For those that argue that there are other forums that give xxx PM's for free - that is a very poor comparison. This is a huge forum with its own unique challenges. Until you have run a forum with hundreds of thousands of members you can only guess at the reason for their business decisions.
      How is it a very poor comparison?

      The Gaia Online forum has over 26 million members, but has a 50 message PM limit.
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      • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
        It's a moot point. Just put an email address in your signature. Something like pm-me-warrior123@gmail.com and consider that email your unlimited pm resource [instead of 500 like the rest of us] for warrior messages. Free forever and it's better because you have google filtering the PM spam which doesn't happen here
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  • Profile picture of the author AnnaMolly
    Just put email in your signature.

    10 PMs is kind of weird to start however.
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  • Profile picture of the author iluvmoney
    Seriously though just give us 20 at least not or 30 or 5000!! just 20!
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  • Profile picture of the author emmerson
    I know this is an old thread but maybe someone can enlighten me here as I have never had this problem before. I reached my 10 PM limit and deleted 9 of them but it still says my PM Box is 100% full and I cant reply to any PM's etc.

    Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? Is there a trash folder that I am just not seeing or something?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Not a good idea to bump a year old thread....

      Did you delete items from the "sent" section as well as the pm's you received?
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