Am I the only one tired of the junk posts?

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Is it just me, or does it seem like lately there is more and more unless posts? I am not talking about the spam.

There are some incredibly talented and successful people on this forum sharing powerful information. Seems you have to wade through junk to get to useful information?

If you have nothing to add that is of value to the conversation, please don't post.

If your only going to repeat what some one else has already said, please don't post.

If your going to post gibberish that doesn't make sense, please don't post. (doesn't make you look very professional either.)

If you not going to take the time to read the original post, please don't post.

Or am I just having a bad day?

I feel for the moderators, must be an enormous job.
#junk #posts #tired
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    • Profile picture of the author sudo rank
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      Yeah, the seagulls are swimming close this year. ;-)

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      Classic, love it!

      I think the main issue is people who want to have a signature or some other perk and are just looking to inflate their post count.

      Now, there's nothing wrong with that in itself but if you don't have good experience in SEO or Web Authoring you're gonna find it hard to bring new stuff to the table.

      Question is, how do you solve the problem? Trolls gonna troll and Spam artists gonna spam
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      • Profile picture of the author realdealseo
        Originally Posted by sudo rank View Post

        Classic, love it!

        I think the main issue is people who want to have a signature or some other perk and are just looking to inflate their post count.

        Now, there's nothing wrong with that in itself but if you don't have good experience in SEO or Web Authoring you're gonna find it hard to bring new stuff to the table.

        Question is, how do you solve the problem? Trolls gonna troll and Spam artists gonna spam

        Don't allow people to have Signatures or leave live links until they have reached a certain post count. One that has gotten X amount of thanks and not negative feedback!

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        • Profile picture of the author sudo rank
          Originally Posted by realdealseo View Post

          Don't allow people to have Signatures or leave live links until they have reached a certain post count. One that has gotten X amount of thanks and not negative feedback!

          Regards,

          RDS
          Or you can auto hide signatures unless you press a button, making them useless as a traffic generation technique anyway.

          Oh, WF already did that
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          • Profile picture of the author realdealseo
            Originally Posted by sudo rank View Post

            Or you can auto hide signatures unless you press a button, making them useless as a traffic generation technique anyway.

            Oh, WF already did that

            And that has stopped the spammers and people saying "thank you for this informative post" and adding nothing to the conversation?

            jeez making me feel like I'm spamming myself regardless of the lack of signature. (regardless of a pressed or unpressed button)

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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            :sigh:

            I'd like to say this is the nature of forums, but it's not. It seems to be the nature of marketing forums.

            A lot of people don't know this, but I attend several music composing and production forums such as NI, Soundsonline, Makemusic and others.

            You don't find this sort of crap going on at these places. You just don't. Every post is filled with some kind of relevant content to the discussion at hand, whether it be on how to use a DAW or how to create articulation maps for EWQL Hollywood Strings or whatever.

            The overall level of participation and contribution is so high it's almost intimidating if you're not too bright. Fortunately, if you're on the "asking questions" end, like I am quite a bit of the time, it's fine to sound clueless. That's what the others are there for, to help you. I can't tell you how many incredible tips I've gotten on music production from these forums, not to mention the tips on what software would best fill my needs.

            And why is it so great at these places? Because these people have nothing to sell. Their signatures are filled with what software and hardware they use. That's their pride, showing off all their cool toys.

            It's just a different animal and a pleasure to go to these places. Sure, we still have our arguments about what the best way is to process a timpani but at least the arguments are productive. And yes, we have our snarky members there too. But ironically, these are the ones who are usually the most knowledgeable and helpful.

            If you've never attended one of these forums (I'm going to guess most people here haven't) you're missing a treat. The only complaint I have is that these forums don't get the traffic that the Warrior Forum gets so sometimes you have to wait quite a while to get an answer to your question. But when a question is answered, it's always answered well. Heck, these places are almost like public help desks.

            Another great forum is gearslutz. Hell, I could get lost at that place. Tons of valuable info there on a variety of subjects.

            Here? Well, the great stuff exists. Just read any of Alexa Smith's threads on article marketing. That girl knows her stuff. But you really have to dig for the gold here because a lot of the noise in this place is just that, noise.

            Again, it's the nature of the beast. Too many people here simply because they have something to sell and will blurt out any 3 word "Thanks, great post" just to get their signature seen. It is what it is.

            Want this place to change? Ban signatures. It'll become a ghost town. You'll have maybe 50 people remaining, if that.

            Point is, if you're tired of junk posts then what you're really saying is you're tired of marketing forums.
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            • Profile picture of the author salegurus
              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              The overall level of participation and contribution is so high it's almost intimidating if you're not too bright. Fortunately, if you're on the "asking questions" end, like I am quite a bit of the time, it's fine to sound clueless. That's what the others are there for, to help you. I can't tell you how many incredible tips I've gotten on music production from these forums, not to mention the tips on what software would best fill my needs.


              I have been on many, many forums including homerecording,gearslutz etc, i have a few hobbies
              They will tell newbies to read the "newbie" forum to familiarize themselves with rules,etiquette etc.
              Repetitive threads are not condoned and they will tell you to use the search button.
              Yes, they are friendly but at the same time don't allow half the cr@p you see on IM forums.


              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              And why is it so great at these places? Because these people have nothing to sell. Their signatures are filled with what software and hardware they use. That's their pride, showing off all their cool toys.


              Agreed but this is a selling forum and most people join to sell.


              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              It's just a different animal and a pleasure to go to these places. Sure, we still have our arguments about what the best way is to process a timpani but at least the arguments are productive. And yes, we have our snarky members there too. But ironically, these are the ones who are usually the most knowledgeable and helpful.
              Most often it's the "snarky" members who actually give a d@mn about the forum and want to keep it clean, easy to navigate and clutter free.

              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              The only complaint I have is that these forums don't get the traffic that the Warrior Forum gets so sometimes you have to wait quite a while to get an answer to your question. But when a question is answered, it's always answered well. Heck, these places are almost like public help desks.


              Yes, sometimes you have to wait an hour or more to get an answer but like you say at least it will solve the problem or lead you to the answer. Is it better to get immediate answers like here where half of them are pure BS, just repeating what 10 others have already posted or totally unrelated because people are too lazy to read through threads before dropping a turd...

              Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

              Here? Well, the great stuff exists. Just read any of Alexa Smith's threads on article marketing. That girl knows her stuff. But you really have to dig for the gold here because a lot of the noise in this place is just that, noise.


              Exactly, there are so many stupid and repetitive (Yes Stupid) threads that makes finding any useful info almost impossible.
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          Originally Posted by realdealseo View Post

          Don't allow people to have Signatures or leave live links until they have reached a certain post count. One that has gotten X amount of thanks and not negative feedback!

          Regards,

          RDS
          That's a good solution, but a workaround for that one would be a new business niche on Fiverr lol

          People will ask you to pay them money for a certain amount of likes to your post and bam you just got back your spammers.

          To go even further with this idea you could argue that these new "breed" of spammers would be EVEN more dedicated to spamming since they have paid money to be able to spam again - so you have accomplished weeding out the weak spammers and getting the dedicated ones only.

          Evolution at its best lol
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            Originally Posted by Avocado Plugins View Post

            That's a good solution, but a workaround for that one would be a new business niche on Fiverr lol

            People will ask you to pay them money for a certain amount of likes to your post and bam you just got back your spammers.

            To go even further with this idea you could argue that these new "breed" of spammers would be EVEN more dedicated to spamming since they have paid money to be able to spam again - so you have accomplished weeding out the weak spammers and getting the dedicated ones only.

            Evolution at its best lol
            So if they had to be a WarRoom member to start a new thread + have a certain number of likes/thanks the Fiverr would bring the cost to the spammer to $25 to get started, but then they would get banned and have to start over for another $20-25

            It would definitely cut down on the riff-raff and/or start to recover the $3.2 mil Freelancer paid.
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              Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

              So if they had to be a WarRoom member to start a new thread + have a certain number of likes/thanks the Fiverr would bring the cost to the spammer to $25 to get started, but then they would get banned and have to start over for another $20-25

              It would definitely cut down on the riff-raff and/or start to recover the $3.2 mil Freelancer paid.
              Nope. It costs $97/yr to be a War Room Member now. Yes, it would definitely cut down on junk posting. It would cut down on posting in general.
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  • Profile picture of the author realdealseo
    Originally Posted by abbs View Post

    Thank you for your valuable post. This post has been very informative and I would like you to continue writing posts like these.

    Wheres your Sig, this is exactly what he's talking about.
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      Originally Posted by realdealseo View Post

      Wheres your Sig, this is exactly what he's talking about.
      LOL I think either a troll with a sense of humor or OP's point was just proven. Either way I got a laugh
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    Originally Posted by abbs View Post

    Thank you for your valuable post. This post has been very informative and I would like you to continue writing posts like these.
    If you were from the US or Europe i would be sure this was sarcasm, but since i know that people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. don't use sarcasm in their sense of humour, i know better
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      Originally Posted by JensSteyaert View Post

      If you were from the US or Europe i would be sure this was sarcasm, but since i know that people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. don't use sarcasm in their sense of humour, i know better
      Hehe, you got me! I was very serious earlier.
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  • Profile picture of the author realdealseo
    +1 for banning signatures. Although to be honest its kind of refreshing. Having been a member of a multitude of other forums that don't allow it unless you have really proven yourself to be worthy. Some of the signatures are pure comedy.

    Maybe making it at least a default setting you have to achieve some land marks before you are granted the ability to spam??


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  • Profile picture of the author fredlynx
    I feel the junk threads are a bigger issue (not pointing at this one) but rather the threads about black magic and similar, containing only a phone number. See above this thread in the thread posting. THAT is annoying and spammy if anything. There should be some sort of stepping-stone method before one is allowed to start threads. Posts is a non-issue IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    New owners are more concerned with increasing users and revenues and less about the quality of the product.

    It's becoming more and more difficult to have an intelligent discussion regarding marketing.

    The focus is to create as many paid members and posts as possible.

    There will be a point where posting a WSO is not worth the cost. Then, the only value will be in the ad banners and signature links.

    It's a shift from community to marketplace.
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  • Profile picture of the author PTR
    How about setting up a parallel WF where membership is by a number of criteria not controlled by the person wanting to join - eg nomination by someone (or request for membership) followed by a review of their involvment in the forums and the benefits they bring. If they are deemed to be contibuting at the appropriate level then in they come; otherwise please apply again in a year.

    Might sound very elitist and unfair to some people but, let's face it, the world ain't a fair place and the rewards should go to those who contribute most to society.

    (I write this as a lowly newbie who has yet to reach a point anywhere near what would be considered the level of engagement and experience required to join the upper warrior caste but it would be something to aspire to).
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    • Profile picture of the author rhinocl
      When I see a meaningless post that is obviously made just to increase post count, I report it. It is still spam in my book. Perhaps there should be a separate classification but I agree with you this junk needs to go.
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      Originally Posted by PTR View Post

      How about setting up a parallel WF where membership is by a number of criteria not controlled by the person wanting to join - eg nomination by someone (or request for membership) followed by a review of their involvment in the forums and the benefits they bring. If they are deemed to be contibuting at the appropriate level then in they come; otherwise please apply again in a year.

      Might sound very elitist and unfair to some people but, let's face it, the world ain't a fair place and the rewards should go to those who contribute most to society.

      (I write this as a lowly newbie who has yet to reach a point anywhere near what would be considered the level of engagement and experience required to join the upper warrior caste but it would be something to aspire to).
      And who would the judge and jury be??

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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    As long as the Warrior Forum allows you to have a signature with a link immediately and to post links immediately, then the problem will always be here

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      On a positive note, this thread has already reached 20 posts without one of the usual suspects bitching about "marketers complaining about marketing"...
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  • Profile picture of the author jrigdon73
    Haven't been coming to the forums for too long, but yeah I'd say junk threads are more annoying because sometimes you click on them, only to find out... Junk posts are much easier to ignore and spot (the avatar is usually a hint)
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by jas88 View Post

      If the moderators did their job properly there wouldn't be so many junk posts.
      I have nothing but respect for Mods, why:

      Imagine spending your time looking at the same cr@p day in and day out?
      The never ending task of reminding morons to post in the correct forum.
      Deleting the endless flood of spam.
      Reminding the lazy to use the search button before posting.
      And on, and on...

      Never mind what they have to do behind the scenes...
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    • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
      Originally Posted by jas88 View Post

      If the moderators did their job properly there wouldn't be so many junk posts.
      So says the new member with 3 posts to their anonymous name.

      Fact: if the moderators and admin(s) didn't do their jobs properly this place would go to hell in a handbasket so quickly the forum membership would disappear - rapidly.

      As one of the many moderators here I take offense to comments like these because you have zero idea on how many issues we deal with daily and what it takes to keep a forum of this size running as smooth as possible.

      I volunteer my time here because I love this forum, but more importantly, I like the people here, many of whom I call friends and mentors. I believe the membership here deserves moderators who try to do their best between balancing enforcing of the rules and trying to keep things from getting out of control here.

      And we have some really good ones who really do care about the community here. You should see some of the conversations we have in the moderator forum, a lot of thought goes into what we do behind the scenes. If we didn't care, we wouldn't be here.

      You're allowed to state your opinion here, but at least make one that's based on something more than just jumping to a conclusion about how we moderate here, especially since you're new with only a few posts to your name.

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  • Profile picture of the author jrigdon73
    I would add that junk posts should include paragraphs worth of 'tips'. I don't want to read a cut-and-paste from your latest eBook thank you very much.
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    Originally Posted by Ron Killian View Post

    If you have nothing to add that is of value to the conversation, please don't post.

    If your only going to repeat what some one else has already said, please don't post.

    If your going to post gibberish that doesn't make sense, please don't post. (doesn't make you look very professional either.)

    If you not going to take the time to read the original post, please don't post.
    You're just referring to the people who add junk to an existing thread Ron.
    There are just as many who start threads with mindless junk.
    They're the ones killing this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      You're just referring to the people who add junk to an existing thread Ron.
      There are just as many who start threads with mindless junk.
      They're the ones killing this forum.
      100% correct. Was just frustrated earlier.

      I have NO problem with people marketing here, none what so ever. That is what this forum is about. I understand that. My post was not about that. It was about the garbage that "seems" to be creeping in here.

      Being tired of junk posts is not saying I'm tried of marketing forums. Not even the same thing. The junk posts are not marketing, besides pimping the sig, they are getting in the way of the useful information many of the smart marketers freely share here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by Ron Killian View Post

        100% correct. Was just frustrated earlier.

        I have NO problem with people marketing here, none what so ever. That is what this forum is about. I understand that. My post was not about that. It was about the garbage that "seems" to be creeping in here.

        Being tired of junk posts is not saying I'm tried of marketing forums. Not even the same thing. The junk posts are not marketing, besides pimping the sig, they are getting in the way of the useful information many of the smart marketers freely share here.
        You're frustration is understandable. I'm also a participating member here and I've had it up to here with these "junk" posts as well. But we can't do it alone.

        The BEST thing for people to do is when they see these is to use the "report post" icon underneath ever member's name.

        We can't catch everything and I cannot emphasize to all of you how important it is for you to report any rule breakers. If you see someone bumping old threads when it's not relevant and it appears to you that they are just doing it to up their post count, report it.

        If people are repeatedly just saying "thank you" or using other one - liners, please report those too.

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        • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
          Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

          You're frustration is understandable. I'm also a participating member here and I've had it up to here with these "junk" posts as well. But we can't do it alone.

          The BEST thing for people to do is when they see these is to use the "report post" icon underneath ever member's name.

          We can't catch everything and I cannot emphasize to all of you how important it is for you to report any rule breakers. If you see someone bumping old threads when it's not relevant and it appears to you that they are just doing it to up their post count, report it.

          If people are repeatedly just saying "thank you" or using other one - liners, please report those too.

          RoD
          I said it when I started this thread, I feel for the mods. You guys rock, seriously. I can't imagine, and I bet many others, couldn't imagine how many posts and threads you guys have to go through.

          My post was NOT a knock on the mods. Not at all.

          Though some times I wondered if the mods get tired of members reporting everything
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          • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
            Originally Posted by Ron Killian View Post

            I said it when I started this thread, I feel for the mods. You guys rock, seriously. I can't imagine, and I bet many others, couldn't imagine how many posts and threads you guys have to go through.

            My post was NOT a knock on the mods. Not at all.
            Understood, I didn't take it that way at all.

            Though some times I wondered if the mods get tired of members reporting everything
            No, we don't, because we know without the members reporting things our jobs would be much tougher.

            However, having written that, we do get tired if someone abuses it. Luckily, that's pretty rare.

            In those cases, though, we contact the member directly to see if there's some misunderstanding of the rules or if they have a vendetta against someone or if they purposely just being trolls.

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                Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                I like tomatoes.
                GRRRRRRRRrrrrrr.................

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              • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                I am in general agreement; however, when there's many posts in a thread - even pages - it's not always an efficient use of time to read every single one just to make sure you're not repeating what someone may have said.
                If the thread isn't important enough to read at least the first and last dozen posts in it - why bother to post in it at all?

                That's what gives us the recent spate of 2-3-4 yr old threads brought to life again. That's an old problem that has cropped up again.
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        • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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          Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

          You're frustration is understandable. I'm also a participating member here and I've had it up to here with these "junk" posts as well. But we can't do it alone.
          I've been reporting one particular junk poster for months,
          but he's still going strong so what's the point?
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    Originally Posted by Ron Killian View Post

    If your only going to repeat what some one else has already said, please don't post.

    Ron,

    I am in general agreement; however, when there's many posts in a thread - even pages - it's not always an efficient use of time to read every single one just to make sure you're not repeating what someone may have said.

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    • Profile picture of the author Ron Killian
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Ron,

      I am in general agreement; however, when there's many posts in a thread - even pages - it's not always an efficient use of time to read every single one just to make sure you're not repeating what someone may have said.

      Steve
      For multiple pages you right. I agree. Just noticed lately, it's repeated two posts down, type of thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
    Originally Posted by Ron Killian View Post

    Is it just me, or does it seem like lately there is more and more unless posts? I am not talking about the spam.
    I disagree. I find unless posts to be very important. People come in here and spill the beans about ways to make money, but it's the people posting stuff like "you can't make money that way unless you really hunker down and work at it!" that really provide critical and honest information.

    Without the unless posts, people would think making money online is all push buttons and puppies and unicorns flying on rainbows.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Most often it's the "snarky" members who actually give a d@mn about the forum and want to keep it clean, easy to navigate and clutter free.
    Sometimes they are just really great guys who are often mis-understood.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    but it's the people posting stuff like "you can't make money that way unless you really hunker down and work at it!" that really provide critical and honest information.
    Which by your definition is not a useless post.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Which by your definition is not a useless post.
      We are not talking about useless unless by useless you mean unless and if that is the case you may be on to something unless I'm mistaken.
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      • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        We are not talking about useless unless by useless you mean unless and if that is the case you may be on to something unless I'm mistaken.
        I was going to mention that but thought it might be "snarky."
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        We are not talking about useless unless by useless you mean unless and if that is the case you may be on to something unless I'm mistaken.
        Can I please have an English translation and a free PDF on the above. I think I understand what you're saying unless you're saying something else. In that case, I haven't got a freaking clue what's going on.

        Oh, and I thought they were serving refreshments which is why I bothered sticking my nose into this thread in the first place. I am very disappointed not to get a nosh to go with my daily dose of nonsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Which by your definition is not a useless post.
      Read Dan's post again, along with the quote. Then find the word "useless"...

      You don't get Dan's useless humor unless you read carefully...
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    I'd like an ingnore user option. So I can ignore the post whores who have an answer to every issue that comes up, and that answer is always "maybe". And the nonsensical regurgitators.
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

      I'd like an ingnore user option.
      There already is one in your user CP
      http://www.warriorforum.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        On a serious note - I first joined the WF in 2002 (I know it says 2004) and like many long time members I've watched the ebb and flow of members and topics and the "what's old is new again" that's typical of forums.

        I have never seen the quality of threads and answers decline as rapidly as I've seen in the past 6 weeks. I'd understand better if all the ridiculous posts had signatures as a purpose - but so many of them don't.

        It's not only new members but older members seldom heard from and some who seem to be 'positioning' ....though I'm not sure what they are positioning for.

        We seem to have an influx of members with odd forum names, no location listed - willing to argue with anyone about anything. I think the new management could make a lot of cash selling 'clues".
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        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          I have never seen the quality of threads and answers decline as rapidly as I've seen in the past 6 weeks. I'd understand better if all the ridiculous posts had signatures as a purpose - but so many of them don't.
          When a certain super moderator left, I'll call him "P.M.", I told him the quality around here was going to quickly drop. Not that it was always high to begin with.

          The difference between the WF and music forums mentioned in the thread is you do need a level of expertise to intelligently talk about music and a certain type of person is interested in the forum. IM is a siren call for supposedly no work required, no skills required, no brain required - but make a ton of money fast. The fact is, if you can't "make it" in the "real" world you're probably not going to magically "make it" online.

          The other problem is the barrier to entry is zip. I've seen WSOs and sites linked in signatures which are utter, generic garbage where some kid obviously found a report, site, maybe PLR, and is coughing it back up as their own.

          Finally, there is the desperation for money. Just look at the Mexico / US border. It makes people do crazy things.

          The result is going to be low quality posts, made for various reasons. Many posting do not have the skills or knowledge to post anything else.

          Personally, I just ignore the vast majority of posts and members of the forum. It's like ads - I'm blind to them - and I pick out the posts of the few I think have an ounce of intelligence about them. Life's too short to worry about, or even read, the rest.

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          • Profile picture of the author marketingva
            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

            When a certain super moderator left, I'll call him "P.M.", I told him the quality around here was going to quickly drop. Not that it was always high to begin with.
            I really miss him.

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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by marketingva View Post

              I really miss him.

              Bonnie
              I'll second that.
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              • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
                Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

                Maybe newbies should have to actually participate with 10 or 20 legitimate posts before they can start a thread of their own.
                Unfortunately, they'd just post the same questions in someone else's thread.

                This next idea will never happen, but...

                If new members had to read a brief PDF with basic marketing info and forum etiquette, and then passing a test to show they know the answers - and do this before they can create posts - it would cut down on the spam and eliminate a lot of the frivolous questions.
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            • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
              Originally Posted by marketingva View Post

              I really miss him.

              Bonnie
              Where the heck is Paul, I knew something was up when I seen spam on the rise :/
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      • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
        Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

        There already is one in your user CP
        http://www.warriorforum.com/profile.php?do=ignorelist
        I never knew that. I am always looking around the post to see ignore this user. But I guess it requires you to actually search their name in the interface.

        That will do, I guess. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    You don't get Dan's useless humor unless you read carefully...
    Yep. Missed that one!
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    It's not just the useless one liners that is filling the forums up. It seems to me, in their efforts at "growth" that they are attracting a lot of barely English literate people who have only one goal. To make money online without doing much. They have no skills and no plan. They read somewhere that you can make a lot of money online just by wanting to.

    The forums are filling up with how do I make money? How do you make money? Is it possible to make money? Will you give me money? How much money will I make if I do this? and on and on and on.

    Then there's all these brand new, just signed up assholes who come to drop that spam link in their post. There's also a lot of members who seem to be pushing their luck by doing the same. I've spent two days on those. Mobile forum was full of them. Social Media is another target forum. I can barely stand going to the SEO or Ad Network forums, so haven't checked them much. So, in addition to the love doctor and the foreign language spammer and the fashion and pharma spammers and other bots, there's an increase in the junk ... how do I make money posts and the link spammers to boot.

    I thought that freelancers goal was to elevate the level of conversation here. In fact, quite the opposite is happening.
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    • Profile picture of the author fredlynx
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      It's not just the useless one liners that is filling the forums up. It seems to me, in their efforts at "growth" that they are attracting a lot of barely English literate people who have only one goal. To make money online without doing much. They have no skills and no plan. They read somewhere that you can make a lot of money online just by wanting to.
      I find this quite ironic, not to offend or get on anybody's bad side but...
      Isn't this the kind of hype people are fed from MANY IM'ers?..

      "No skills required..."
      "No websites, no this no that blaha blaha..."
      "push this button and get paid...."
      ETC ETC..

      We live in desperate times and people are fed BS like this from everywhere, especially when just starting to look into "how to make money online"
      So I think this is just barking up the wrong tree tbh..
      The IM'ers that sell BS is to blame..not the people that are desperate enough to believe it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        If you stood on a cliff and told people to jump and they would magically grow wings and fly....you'd be ignored or ridiculed.

        If you charge $7 and tell people they can be rich overnight doing nothing ....they line up to pay you $7. If you tell them it's a 'secret the gurus don't want you to know' and 'anyone can do it'...they might pay $12.

        Sellers in the MMO niche sell to a hungry market that wants to believe anything is possible....fast....easy....

        It's an evergreen market. For every person who wises up and realizes there's more to IM than buying get rich offers...there are two more bright eyed optimists coming online.

        It's the IM version of chicken and the egg
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by fredlynx View Post

        I find this quite ironic, not to offend or get on anybody's bad side but...
        Isn't this the kind of hype people are fed from MANY IM'ers?..

        "No skills required..."
        "No websites, no this no that blaha blaha..."
        "push this button and get paid...."
        ETC ETC..

        We live in desperate times and people are fed BS like this from everywhere, especially when just starting to look into "how to make money online"
        So I think this is just barking up the wrong tree tbh..
        The IM'ers that sell BS is to blame..not the people that are desperate enough to believe it.
        They aren't fed it by me, so I can comment on it. As for people not taking responsibility for the stupidity that they believe, I don't buy it. I don't condone the false promises and BS hype any more than you do, but unfortunately, there's no cure for stupid and it's just plain stupid to fall for much of the false promises being fed to people. I blame both.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by fredlynx View Post

        I find this quite ironic, not to offend or get on anybody's bad side but...
        Isn't this the kind of hype people are fed from MANY IM'ers?..

        "No skills required..."
        "No websites, no this no that blaha blaha..."
        "push this button and get paid...."
        ETC ETC..

        We live in desperate times and people are fed BS like this from everywhere, especially when just starting to look into "how to make money online"
        So I think this is just barking up the wrong tree tbh..
        The IM'ers that sell BS is to blame..not the people that are desperate enough to believe it.
        And therein lies the crux of the whole problem not just with this forum (or any marketing forum for that matter) but the whole industry. For years, I tried selling what, at the time, was solid marketing info without the hype. I made some money but not a lot. It wasn't until I started using the "over the top" headlines and catch phrases that all the "gurus" were using that I started to see a substantial income.

        And it partially made me sick to my stomach. The only thing that kept me doing it was I needed to eat. I didn't want to continue doing the article writing for money thing or the affiliate marketing thing because it was too much work for too little return. I knew creating my own products was the only way to really make a killing. And I knew this was a hungry market. So I hit EZA with my articles like a ton of bricks, sometimes writing as many as 5 or 6 in a day. I think I have about 2,000 with the site. For a while it worked. My list grew and I sold all these "this is how I make money" books to all these people who I knew deep down in my gut would never do a damn thing with them.

        I am SOOOO glad I am out of that niche. It left a bad taste in my mouth. Now at least I can sell something that doesn't promise anything more than what it is. And I won't get the bitching and complaining that I got with the other stuff because nobody is going to buy a music CD expecting to make a gazillion dollars from it.

        That is what's wrong with the whole "make money online" industry and why I don't envy one person who is still in it, regardless of how much money they're making. Had my business not crashed, I probably would have eventually retired anyway because it was starting to make me sick. The attitude, the atmosphere, everything. I will NEVER go back. I don't care if I end up homeless. MMO is the LAST thing I will ever do EVER again.

        What's happening here at this forum is just a microcosm of why.
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      • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
        Originally Posted by fredlynx View Post

        I find this quite ironic, not to offend or get on anybody's bad side but...
        Isn't this the kind of hype people are fed from MANY IM'ers?..

        "No skills required..."
        "No websites, no this no that blaha blaha..."
        "push this button and get paid...."
        ETC ETC..

        We live in desperate times and people are fed BS like this from everywhere, especially when just starting to look into "how to make money online"
        So I think this is just barking up the wrong tree tbh..
        The IM'ers that sell BS is to blame..not the people that are desperate enough to believe it.
        You confusing Internet Marketing with the Make Money Online Niche.

        And the crap you are mentioning are scumbags who sell pipe dreams to desperate people.

        I mean, if it didn't take any skill and you only had to push a button to make money, wouldn't your time be better spent pushing the button than telling everyone else how to push it?

        The main forum is a wreck. Nothing more than deja vu all over again. With people on regurtiation mode.

        Some of the subforums used to be really good. But, crap, the copywriting forum gets maybe 10 posts a day now. If that.

        Kind of reminds me of a concert. The show is over. The band is gone. Most of the people have left. The only people still around are the tweakers and the dealers.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Hi everyone. I'm a newbie. I have a couple of questions. Please answer so we can get a good discussion going, okay?

    How can I sell my ebook?

    How can I write an ebook?

    I've written an ebook. What now?

    Where is the classified ad forum?

    Can I use pics that belong to someone else?

    Is article marketing dead?

    How did you make your first dollar in the IM industry?

    Where can I find keywords?

    What are keywords?

    Where should I start?

    How can I make $1256.73 by next Tuesday? My rent is due.

    Is SEO dead?

    Who has the best SOLO ads?

    What does SEO stand for?

    Is it possible to make money online? I've got my doubts.

    Should I put up a google sniper site?

    Are google sniper sites dead?

    Etc., etc., etc...


    This is what we're getting these days. This board used to be loaded with legitimate marketing discussions. Now it's kindergarten. I understand new and old management wants to provide a friendly environment so the members spend money but surely, we can do better than this. Maybe newbies should have to actually participate with 10 or 20 legitimate posts before they can start a thread of their own.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Hi everyone. I'm a newbie. I have a couple of questions. Please answer so we can get a good discussion going, okay?

      How can I sell my ebook?
      You can't. Sorry.

      How can I write an ebook?
      Easy. First, buy one million computers. Install a word processor on each of them. Next, buy one million monkeys. Eventually, they will churn out some sort of eBook.

      I've written an ebook. What now?
      Stick it in a drawer and forget about it, especially if it was written by the monkeys.

      Where is the classified ad forum?
      Page 24 of your local newspaper.

      Can I use pics that belong to someone else?
      Yes, but only in the privacy of your own home. Probably best to laminate them.

      Is article marketing dead?
      Yes. We had a funeral in 2009. It was a beautiful service. Sorry you missed it.

      How did you make your first dollar in the IM industry?
      Paid NOT to post.

      Where can I find keywords?
      They're right there on your keys, silly! Take them out of your pocket and look at them. If you can't make them out, you either need new keys or new glasses. Possibly both.

      What are keywords?
      The words on your keys. Usually they are cast when the key blank is cast but sometimes they are engraved on the key.

      Where should I start?
      At the beginning.

      How can I make $1256.73 by next Tuesday? My rent is due.
      How fast can you mow?

      Is SEO dead?
      No, he's just a little under the weather. In the meantime, please direct your questions to the SOO.

      Who has the best SOLO ads?
      Disney.

      What does SEO stand for?
      He doesn't stand for anything, which is what makes him such a poor leader.

      Is it possible to make money online? I've got my doubts.
      I've made several hundred thousand dollars in a virtual Blackjack game. Of course, it's not real money, which is sad, but it keeps growing if I don't go crazy with my bets!

      Should I put up a google sniper site?
      That's a lot of sniper sites. I'd start with one before moving up to a googol of them!

      Are google sniper sites dead?
      They may be just resting so I wouldn't go around poking them! Just walk away slowly and quietly.
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    • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      Maybe newbies should have to actually participate with 10 or 20 legitimate posts before they can start a thread of their own.
      Maybe 10 or 20 Thanked posts ... also 10 or 20 thanked posts (or some other number) before they can thank others for posts and before they can have a signature line, more for a signature line with a link in it.

      Create a "demerit" or "penalty point" system whereby moderators can assign negative rankings for nonsense posts or dumb stuff like resurrecting a thread that's been dead for months. I've seen a thread almost 3 years old "My site is offline..." where it looked like it had been resolved and OP hadn't visited the forum in nearly 2 years and somebody dug it up with what was essentially a repeat of a prior suggestion.

      Maybe even extra (negative) points depending on "dumbness" or how flagrant a violation that doesn't reach to the level of banning.

      Negatives might go away over time
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

        Maybe 10 or 20 Thanked posts ... also 10 or 20 thanked posts (or some other number) before they can thank others for posts and before they can have a signature line, more for a signature line with a link in it.

        Create a "demerit" or "penalty point" system whereby moderators can assign negative rankings for nonsense posts or dumb stuff like resurrecting a thread that's been dead for months. I've seen a thread almost 3 years old "My site is offline..." where it looked like it had been resolved and OP hadn't visited the forum in nearly 2 years and somebody dug it up with what was essentially a repeat of a prior suggestion.

        Maybe even extra (negative) points depending on "dumbness" or how flagrant a violation that doesn't reach to the level of banning.

        Negatives might go away over time
        I definitely appreciate your thinking, but it won't work. It hasn't worked.

        Adding filters and blacklists was supposed to curb spam, but the problem is worse than it ever was.

        "Nofollow" was supposed to cut down on link spamming by taking away the reward. The bots are still with us.

        It's an arms race. The BlackHats come up with an angle or loophole. The WhiteHats do something to counter it. The BH either come up with a new angle or a way to hammer the old one that's so low-cost it doesn't matter if 99.9% of what they do is ineffective. They don't care if they destroy someone else's work or asset.

        Heck, if it were up to me, there would be a bounty on the sociopath scumbags. But even that wouldn't work. Look at the drug trade. Kill off a cartel leader, and another steps up to take their place.

        Put another way, it's like fire ants in Florida. You can't get rid of them. The best that you can hope for is to control them in your small part of the world. And while the jury is still out, there are warning signs that the powers that be aren't all that motivated to take the control measures necessary.
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  • Profile picture of the author drewfioravanti
    The Social Media forum is awful. A majority of the threads are about Facebook Scrapers, Autoposters and Buying Likes. And then people wanting to "sale" their groups and fan pages.

    All of these activities are not only worthless, not "marketing", and not likely to be conducive to any amount of "success", they are all blatantly against Facebook TOS.

    It's like the new owners thought "look at the earnings per user. If we just get more users, we'll make more money". I mean, you surely have to be brighter than that to come up with $3M or whatever...but it surely doesn't seem like it.

    It's not the volume that made the marketplace successful...
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by drewfioravanti View Post

      The Social Media forum is awful. A majority of the threads are about Facebook Scrapers, Autoposters and Buying Likes. And then people wanting to "sale" their groups and fan pages.
      They should scrap all those satellite forums.
      They're only used by trolls building their post counts before unleashing
      their sig file on the main forum.
      seo and facebook questions etc are still posted wrongly on the main forum
      so there really is no point in having them.
      With only a main forum, wso forum and off topic forum
      the mods would be able to keep a closer eye on all the trolls.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Considering, this is probably one of the better discussions iv'e seen on the Main Forum in weeks.
    I wonder why....
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    One advantage to limiting new users posting ability is that it would combat a very frequent problem. Many of the people that ask those questions about $1,243.23 before next Tuesday when the rent is due or how to spend the $156 they have to invest post their one post and then never come back. Some do but many don't.

    I've seen many, many threads where lots of people out of the goodness of their hearts (whether or not they had a sig) tried to answer a question, give advice, help someone out of their desperate situation, etc. only for the thread to be abandoned by the OP.

    Maybe the OP was a troll. Maybe they were overwhelmed and didn't know what to say. Maybe they were more confused now than ever. Maybe it's a game to them. Maybe they took the advice and immediately went to work and so they didn't have time to post again. Who knows but it gets a little discouraging helping anonymous people that seem sincere for one post then disappear.

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  • Profile picture of the author carcin0genic
    Personally I, like many, don't have time in my day to read each and every response on most threads so duplicate info is par for the course.

    I do agree with answering the original post as that's what the question is and most times people just go off on other conversations. Straying off topic is definitely a pet peeve of mine and contributes to lots of irrelevant posts.

    The problem starts at the top. By that I mean the people and places the "useless" people are learning how to market. Maybe if more people would teach the importance of providing value and succeeding by helping make sure we all succeed a lot of forums would go back to what they're designed for.

    I did catch someone mention that spammers and trolls are going to do what they're going to do. It is what it is and until newcomers get out of the 'money for me' mentality, they will continue to be "useless".

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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    This thread could have been posted in any of the past few years. Different year. Same concern.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    The Solution to SPAM is simple: Charge for SIGs AND make sigs revocable if you violate quality rules. Spammers will think twice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      The Solution to SPAM is simple: Charge for SIGs AND make sigs revocable if you violate quality rules. Spammers will think twice.
      Most of the spam that gets deleted has the links in the posts. There are those who post junk for sig exposure, so it would probably have some positive impact, but perhaps not as much as you might expect.
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      • Profile picture of the author writeaway
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        Most of the spam that gets deleted has the links in the posts. There are those who post junk for sig exposure, so it would probably have some positive impact, but perhaps not as much as you might expect.
        Good point, Dennis. How about applying GAMIFICATION strategies to the forum to get rid of spam? People who report spam get a premium. Hand out badges, levels,... all tied to premiums.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

          Good point, Dennis. How about applying GAMIFICATION strategies to the forum to get rid of spam? People who report spam get a premium. Hand out badges, levels,... all tied to premiums.
          I don't know, that's not something I'm very familiar with. I do know a lot of people report threads as it is. The more who help out the better though.

          One thing that would help the mods out is if people would just post in the correct forums. Posting SEO questions in the SEO forum, social media questions in the Social Media forum, and so forth, would give the mods more time to take care of other issues.
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            If new members had to read a brief PDF with basic marketing info and forum etiquette, and then passing a test to show they know the answers - and do this before they can create posts - it would cut down on the spam and eliminate a lot of the frivolous questions.
            I can see it now...
            NEW WSO: I'll take your etiquette test for you. Guaranteed to pass. $7
            Followed by a few hundred Fiverr gigs...promoted by dropping junk posts with sig attached.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            One thing that would help the mods out is if people would just post in the correct forums. Posting SEO questions in the SEO forum, social media questions in the Social Media forum, and so forth, would give the mods more time to take care of other issues.
            Someone else suggested doing away with most of the subforums then I opened a thread in the offtopic section talking about it.

            I'm just thinking out loud here - not saying one way or the other is better.

            But by simply deleting some of the subforums, you'd automatically eliminate some of the work the mods and others have to do freeing them up for catching the spam.

            Besides most of these subforums are so interrelated it's hard to differentiate what goes where.

            What is SEO without webdesign and copywriting? What is email marketing without conversion optimization and traffic? On and on and on.

            In fact it seems that even though the main forum is supposed to be where we talk about making money, the actual money talk is or should be elsewhere - email forum, copywriting forum, SEO forum, etc.

            What you are left with (as of this writing) in the "money making" forum are threads about word processor alternatives, Google domain registration, t-shirts (why not in the e-commerce section?), hub pages (should be in social media), payment processing, complaints about refunds not given, replying to spam PMs, discussion about if Fiverr is any good, copyrighted pictures, etc.

            I think one of the traffic drains may be that the main forum is really just a miscellaneous forum if you take away email, SEO, PPC, copywriting, conversion, etc.

            Mark
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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

              Someone else suggested doing away with most of the subforums then I opened a thread in the offtopic section talking about it.

              I'm just thinking out loud here - not saying one way or the other is better.

              But by simply deleting some of the subforums, you'd automatically eliminate some of the work the mods and others have to do freeing them up for catching the spam.

              Besides most of these subforums are so interrelated it's hard to differentiate what goes where.
              While most can be seen as a part of overall Internet Marketing, they are all different. I have zero interest in the SEO or Ad Networks forum and very little in Mobile and Social Media. Don't visit the Copywriting forum a whole lot and don't want to be an Offline Marketer. That would really degrade the user experience to have to wade through posts and topics that don't interest them. There are enough moderators here to handle all the subforums. They advertised for 16 new paid mods. That's on top of the long standing mods that have been doing it for years here.
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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                While most can be seen as a part of overall Internet Marketing, they are all different. I have zero interest in the SEO or Ad Networks forum and very little in Mobile and Social Media. Don't visit the Copywriting forum a whole lot and don't want to be an Offline Marketer. That would really degrade the user experience to have to wade through posts and topics that don't interest them. There are enough moderators here to handle all the subforums. They advertised for 16 new paid mods. That's on top of the long standing mods that have been doing it for years here.
                I have to agree. Again, the problem is not the sub forums. The other forums I attend in the music and software niches don't have this problem and they have more subforums than Carter has liver pills.

                The problem is the mentality of the average IMer. Or maybe I should say the below average IMer, which seems to make up a good portion of the marketing community. Because of what's at stake and because of the economy and because of the desperation some of these people feel, they will do whatever they have to in order to make a buck.

                As broke as I am, I will NEVER stoop to the level of some of these people. If I lose my principles I've lost all I have left. But these people don't give a crap. If they would commit murder and get away with it, they would.

                That is why we have the problems we do. It is not the subforums. Eliminating them will just make the main forum a bloody mess and unusable. We might as well just take the whole forum down.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  Enforcing posting in the "correct forums" gets harder the more sub-forums you have. Recently seems we've added 4-5 more sub-forums.

                  I think that leads to more posting in the main section by people who aren't sure where to post so think it's best to go with "general section".
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                  • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
                    Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                    Enforcing posting in the "correct forums" gets harder the more sub-forums you have. Recently seems we've added 4-5 more sub-forums.

                    I think that leads to more posting in the main section by people who aren't sure where to post so think it's best to go with "general section".
                    That and it used to be that sub-forums were where interesting threads were sent to die.

                    Another problem was that some sub-forums were frequented by, um, difficult people, some of which may have even been mods in those sub-forums. So, some people stayed away. And, if your thread got banished from the main forum into one of those sub-forums, well, you knew it wasn't worth putting up with certain people, so you just asked your question elsewhere on the Internet.
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                    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                      Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

                      That and it used to be that sub-forums were where interesting threads were sent to die.

                      Another problem was that some sub-forums were frequented by, um, difficult people, some of which may have even been mods in those sub-forums. So, some people stayed away. And, if your thread got banished from the main forum into one of those sub-forums, well, you knew it wasn't worth putting up with certain people, so you just asked your question elsewhere on the Internet.
                      ... and this is pretty much why getting rid of those subforums would be a nightmare for many of us. I prefer they stay pigeon-holed in their subforums rather than having a huge main forum contaminated by toxic people and topics I have no interest in, such as the SEO and Ad Network forums. The other subforums are less toxic, but the main forum would be a real disorganized mess if all topics fell into it.
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                • Profile picture of the author salegurus
                  Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                  The problem is the mentality of the average IMer. Or maybe I should say the below average IMer, which seems to make up a good portion of the marketing community. Because of what's at stake and because of the economy and because of the desperation some of these people feel, they will do whatever they have to in order to make a buck.
                  I have to agree, and Kindsvater summed it up perfectly...


                  Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                  The difference between the WF and music forums mentioned in the thread is you do need a level of expertise to intelligently talk about music and a certain type of person is interested in the forum. IM is a siren call for supposedly no work required, no skills required, no brain required - but make a ton of money fast. The fact is, if you can't "make it" in the "real" world you're probably not going to magically "make it" online.

                  The other problem is the barrier to entry is zip. I've seen WSOs and sites linked in signatures which are utter, generic garbage where some kid obviously found a report, site, maybe PLR, and is coughing it back up as their own.
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      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      The Solution to SPAM is simple: Charge for SIGs AND make sigs revocable if you violate quality rules. Spammers will think twice.
      The signature image option is a paid option already and signatures are revokable. If you don't follow the signature rules, watch how fast it will disappear. I've seen many users whining and crying about their signature disappearing. Making people pay for their text signatures will not stop spam. It won't stop the bots and it won't stop the link spammers who put the links in posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author clickforseo
    Something has to be done to stop those software titles auto posting to forums. Many forums already do a good job. I think this forum is doing a good job. Can't expect the mods to stop all the spam. What I get fed of is all the smoke blowing up other...you know where.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Honestly I am getting tired of reporting. Admins needs a solid preventive measure and not a countermeasure by just deleting them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I agree there are pros and cons to the subforums.

    But I believe that having so many actually degrades the user experience.

    For example, is my post about email conversions supposed to go in the main forum, the conversion forum, or the email forum? I don't know so I may post them in all three. Meanwhile a mod is telling me to move things around and being distracted from the spam removal.

    I think the lines are so blurry it's almost impossible for any reasonable person to know where things go. Current examples:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...ue-needed.html was looking for a look and feel site critique in the main forum and was told to move it to the copywriting forum. Is it only copywriters that know if a site looks good?

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...vert-them.html should go to the email forum or is it the conversion forum? As it is it is in the main forum which is neither.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...p-ranking.html is about how to rank a Youtube video higher in Google but they were told to move it to the social media forum.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...mail-list.html Google+ and email. Which forum does it go in?

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...give-away.html This one talks about their blog, asks for a review, and wants an email opt-in strategy.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/website-...at-charge.html This user posted in the web design section which makes sense but she would probably get better advice from the offline section where these people do it everyday.

    Since there are subforums, it just needs to be outlined better which post goes where since most questions have 2-3 parts to it.

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  • Profile picture of the author zerofill
    My favorite is...

    [can you really make money online]

    If I had a nickel for every time I saw a post topic like that... hell I would never have to work another day in my life...

    Then you see all the bullshit posts where someone asks a question that has 3 posts, then somene with 2 posts gives their thought out answer.

    Most of those threads are bots... Then when the thread goes down a ways, the bot will come back in and edit the sig.

    Although I bet Rod has already seen all that junk lol.

    Dude... I used to tell Paul I felt bad for him... I really feel bad for you now. I couldn't do it, I would rather sit in a corner and cut myself all day.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by zerofill View Post

      My favorite is...

      [can you really make money online]

      If I had a nickel for every time I saw a post topic like that... hell I would never have to work another day in my life...

      Then you see all the bullshit posts where someone asks a question that has 3 posts, then somene with 2 posts gives their thought out answer.

      Most of those threads are bots... Then when the thread goes down a ways, the bot will come back in and edit the sig.

      Although I bet Rod has already seen all that junk lol.

      Dude... I used to tell Paul I felt bad for him... I really feel bad for you now. I couldn't do it, I would rather sit in a corner and cut myself all day.
      Agreed. Saw the ad for the paid mods, thought about applying for a few seconds, then came to my senses.

      Someday I'm going to snap and put my real answer under that one...

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  • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
    Is it just me... or have these kinds of posts quadrupled since Freelancer took over?

    Not throwing them under the bus or anything, but I have a feeling opening up the floor to their whole site has let a lot of fly-by-nighters in.

    Maybe we should go back to being a paid forum
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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by ecoverartist View Post

      Is it just me... or have these kinds of posts quadrupled since Freelancer took over?

      Not throwing them under the bus or anything, but I have a feeling opening up the floor to their whole site has let a lot of fly-by-nighters in.

      Maybe we should go back to being a paid forum
      This may be an indication it has: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...es-please.html

      Can't say as I blame him! How many more thread starters will start stating the same?!
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by ecoverartist View Post

      Not throwing them under the bus or anything, but I have a feeling opening up the floor to their whole site has let a lot of fly-by-nighters in.
      I disagree, not a big difference to when Allen still owned the forum, maybe people are just starting to notice since all the discussion on the topic.
      The only time i saw a marked drop was when they tried the $10 joining fee which raised the bar somewhat and kept out the riff-raff...

      I doubt that change in ownership was a call to action to all fly by nighters...
      Originally Posted by ecoverartist View Post

      we should go back to being a paid forum
      Second that ^^^
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

        The only time i saw a marked drop was when they tried the $10 joining fee which raised the bar somewhat and kept out the riff-raff.
        This matches my own impression. My guess is that even a $3 joining-fee (maybe even a $1 joining-fee) would actually achieve most of that, too.

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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    The best one I can recall seeing lately was a new thread started: "What is HTML5" by a newly registered warrior with a signature line indicating that they were a "web developer"
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  • Profile picture of the author John Pagulayan
    For every good there is, there is a necessary evil. Something won't thrive if it's all goodness. That's just the basic law of nature.

    Just something to think about...

    For every one here trying to increase their post count, at least a percentage of them really goes on and becomes really good at what they do and becomes a real asset to the forum.

    No one started exceptional. Everyone has got to start somewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    I think Allen's timing in selling this forum was impeccable...

    Saw the same thing happen in another forum that had nothing
    to do with internet marketing. It was actually in the mortgage industry.

    The original owner started the thing on a server on a desk in his
    apartment and built it into the mortgagre biz version of WF then sold
    it at it's peak for well over 7 figures.

    He exited along with most of the mods. The place is now a virtual ghost town.
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  • Profile picture of the author Highway55
    I don't know... not everyone has high intelligence. Many people don't know if it's a good or bad question, so they just ask it. Its the nature of the online marketplace, of this forum. Looking for short-cuts is part of it, too. People are people...

    Setting up skype masterminds with others who are on your level of expertise (or higher) might be a better way to quell hostility and relieve anxiety. It could also help satisfy your desire to get more out of what you do.

    Just my two cents...
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