Am I the only one tired of the junk posts?

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Is it just me, or does it seem like lately there is more and more unless posts? I am not talking about the spam.

There are some incredibly talented and successful people on this forum sharing powerful information. Seems you have to wade through junk to get to useful information?

If you have nothing to add that is of value to the conversation, please don't post.

If your only going to repeat what some one else has already said, please don't post.

If your going to post gibberish that doesn't make sense, please don't post. (doesn't make you look very professional either.)

If you not going to take the time to read the original post, please don't post.

Or am I just having a bad day?

I feel for the moderators, must be an enormous job.
#main internet marketing discussion forum #junk #posts #tired
  • Yeah, the seagulls are swimming close this year. ;-)

    John
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    • Classic, love it!

      I think the main issue is people who want to have a signature or some other perk and are just looking to inflate their post count.

      Now, there's nothing wrong with that in itself but if you don't have good experience in SEO or Web Authoring you're gonna find it hard to bring new stuff to the table.

      Question is, how do you solve the problem? Trolls gonna troll and Spam artists gonna spam
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  • Wheres your Sig, this is exactly what he's talking about.
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    • LOL I think either a troll with a sense of humor or OP's point was just proven. Either way I got a laugh
  • Take action my friend, take action
  • If you were from the US or Europe i would be sure this was sarcasm, but since i know that people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc. don't use sarcasm in their sense of humour, i know better
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    • Hehe, you got me! I was very serious earlier.
  • +1 for banning signatures. Although to be honest its kind of refreshing. Having been a member of a multitude of other forums that don't allow it unless you have really proven yourself to be worthy. Some of the signatures are pure comedy.

    Maybe making it at least a default setting you have to achieve some land marks before you are granted the ability to spam??


    Regards,

    RDS
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  • I feel the junk threads are a bigger issue (not pointing at this one) but rather the threads about black magic and similar, containing only a phone number. See above this thread in the thread posting. THAT is annoying and spammy if anything. There should be some sort of stepping-stone method before one is allowed to start threads. Posts is a non-issue IMO.
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  • New owners are more concerned with increasing users and revenues and less about the quality of the product.

    It's becoming more and more difficult to have an intelligent discussion regarding marketing.

    The focus is to create as many paid members and posts as possible.

    There will be a point where posting a WSO is not worth the cost. Then, the only value will be in the ad banners and signature links.

    It's a shift from community to marketplace.
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  • How about setting up a parallel WF where membership is by a number of criteria not controlled by the person wanting to join - eg nomination by someone (or request for membership) followed by a review of their involvment in the forums and the benefits they bring. If they are deemed to be contibuting at the appropriate level then in they come; otherwise please apply again in a year.

    Might sound very elitist and unfair to some people but, let's face it, the world ain't a fair place and the rewards should go to those who contribute most to society.

    (I write this as a lowly newbie who has yet to reach a point anywhere near what would be considered the level of engagement and experience required to join the upper warrior caste but it would be something to aspire to).
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    • When I see a meaningless post that is obviously made just to increase post count, I report it. It is still spam in my book. Perhaps there should be a separate classification but I agree with you this junk needs to go.
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    • And who would the judge and jury be??

      al
  • As long as the Warrior Forum allows you to have a signature with a link immediately and to post links immediately, then the problem will always be here

    al
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    • On a positive note, this thread has already reached 20 posts without one of the usual suspects bitching about "marketers complaining about marketing"...
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  • Haven't been coming to the forums for too long, but yeah I'd say junk threads are more annoying because sometimes you click on them, only to find out... Junk posts are much easier to ignore and spot (the avatar is usually a hint)
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    • I have nothing but respect for Mods, why:

      Imagine spending your time looking at the same cr@p day in and day out?
      The never ending task of reminding morons to post in the correct forum.
      Deleting the endless flood of spam.
      Reminding the lazy to use the search button before posting.
      And on, and on...

      Never mind what they have to do behind the scenes...
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    • So says the new member with 3 posts to their anonymous name.

      Fact: if the moderators and admin(s) didn't do their jobs properly this place would go to hell in a handbasket so quickly the forum membership would disappear - rapidly.

      As one of the many moderators here I take offense to comments like these because you have zero idea on how many issues we deal with daily and what it takes to keep a forum of this size running as smooth as possible.

      I volunteer my time here because I love this forum, but more importantly, I like the people here, many of whom I call friends and mentors. I believe the membership here deserves moderators who try to do their best between balancing enforcing of the rules and trying to keep things from getting out of control here.

      And we have some really good ones who really do care about the community here. You should see some of the conversations we have in the moderator forum, a lot of thought goes into what we do behind the scenes. If we didn't care, we wouldn't be here.

      You're allowed to state your opinion here, but at least make one that's based on something more than just jumping to a conclusion about how we moderate here, especially since you're new with only a few posts to your name.

      RoD
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  • I would add that junk posts should include paragraphs worth of 'tips'. I don't want to read a cut-and-paste from your latest eBook thank you very much.
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    • Am I the only one who the irony of this whole thread is not lost on?

      My laugh for the day. Maybe for the week. LOL
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    You're just referring to the people who add junk to an existing thread Ron.
    There are just as many who start threads with mindless junk.
    They're the ones killing this forum.
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    • 100% correct. Was just frustrated earlier.

      I have NO problem with people marketing here, none what so ever. That is what this forum is about. I understand that. My post was not about that. It was about the garbage that "seems" to be creeping in here.

      Being tired of junk posts is not saying I'm tried of marketing forums. Not even the same thing. The junk posts are not marketing, besides pimping the sig, they are getting in the way of the useful information many of the smart marketers freely share here.
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  • Ron,

    I am in general agreement; however, when there's many posts in a thread - even pages - it's not always an efficient use of time to read every single one just to make sure you're not repeating what someone may have said.

    Steve
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    • For multiple pages you right. I agree. Just noticed lately, it's repeated two posts down, type of thing.
  • I disagree. I find unless posts to be very important. People come in here and spill the beans about ways to make money, but it's the people posting stuff like "you can't make money that way unless you really hunker down and work at it!" that really provide critical and honest information.

    Without the unless posts, people would think making money online is all push buttons and puppies and unicorns flying on rainbows.
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  • Sometimes they are just really great guys who are often mis-understood.
  • Which by your definition is not a useless post.
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      We are not talking about useless unless by useless you mean unless and if that is the case you may be on to something unless I'm mistaken.
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    • Read Dan's post again, along with the quote. Then find the word "useless"...

      You don't get Dan's useless humor unless you read carefully...
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  • I'd like an ingnore user option. So I can ignore the post whores who have an answer to every issue that comes up, and that answer is always "maybe". And the nonsensical regurgitators.
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  • Yep. Missed that one!
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    It's not just the useless one liners that is filling the forums up. It seems to me, in their efforts at "growth" that they are attracting a lot of barely English literate people who have only one goal. To make money online without doing much. They have no skills and no plan. They read somewhere that you can make a lot of money online just by wanting to.

    The forums are filling up with how do I make money? How do you make money? Is it possible to make money? Will you give me money? How much money will I make if I do this? and on and on and on.

    Then there's all these brand new, just signed up assholes who come to drop that spam link in their post. There's also a lot of members who seem to be pushing their luck by doing the same. I've spent two days on those. Mobile forum was full of them. Social Media is another target forum. I can barely stand going to the SEO or Ad Network forums, so haven't checked them much. So, in addition to the love doctor and the foreign language spammer and the fashion and pharma spammers and other bots, there's an increase in the junk ... how do I make money posts and the link spammers to boot.

    I thought that freelancers goal was to elevate the level of conversation here. In fact, quite the opposite is happening.
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    • I find this quite ironic, not to offend or get on anybody's bad side but...
      Isn't this the kind of hype people are fed from MANY IM'ers?..

      "No skills required..."
      "No websites, no this no that blaha blaha..."
      "push this button and get paid...."
      ETC ETC..

      We live in desperate times and people are fed BS like this from everywhere, especially when just starting to look into "how to make money online"
      So I think this is just barking up the wrong tree tbh..
      The IM'ers that sell BS is to blame..not the people that are desperate enough to believe it.
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  • Hi everyone. I'm a newbie. I have a couple of questions. Please answer so we can get a good discussion going, okay?

    How can I sell my ebook?

    How can I write an ebook?

    I've written an ebook. What now?

    Where is the classified ad forum?

    Can I use pics that belong to someone else?

    Is article marketing dead?

    How did you make your first dollar in the IM industry?

    Where can I find keywords?

    What are keywords?

    Where should I start?

    How can I make $1256.73 by next Tuesday? My rent is due.

    Is SEO dead?

    Who has the best SOLO ads?

    What does SEO stand for?

    Is it possible to make money online? I've got my doubts.

    Should I put up a google sniper site?

    Are google sniper sites dead?

    Etc., etc., etc...


    This is what we're getting these days. This board used to be loaded with legitimate marketing discussions. Now it's kindergarten. I understand new and old management wants to provide a friendly environment so the members spend money but surely, we can do better than this. Maybe newbies should have to actually participate with 10 or 20 legitimate posts before they can start a thread of their own.
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    • You can't. Sorry.

      Easy. First, buy one million computers. Install a word processor on each of them. Next, buy one million monkeys. Eventually, they will churn out some sort of eBook.

      Stick it in a drawer and forget about it, especially if it was written by the monkeys.

      Page 24 of your local newspaper.

      Yes, but only in the privacy of your own home. Probably best to laminate them.

      Yes. We had a funeral in 2009. It was a beautiful service. Sorry you missed it.

      Paid NOT to post.

      They're right there on your keys, silly! Take them out of your pocket and look at them. If you can't make them out, you either need new keys or new glasses. Possibly both.

      The words on your keys. Usually they are cast when the key blank is cast but sometimes they are engraved on the key.

      At the beginning.

      How fast can you mow?

      No, he's just a little under the weather. In the meantime, please direct your questions to the SOO.

      Disney.

      He doesn't stand for anything, which is what makes him such a poor leader.

      I've made several hundred thousand dollars in a virtual Blackjack game. Of course, it's not real money, which is sad, but it keeps growing if I don't go crazy with my bets!

      That's a lot of sniper sites. I'd start with one before moving up to a googol of them!

      They may be just resting so I wouldn't go around poking them! Just walk away slowly and quietly.
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    • Maybe 10 or 20 Thanked posts ... also 10 or 20 thanked posts (or some other number) before they can thank others for posts and before they can have a signature line, more for a signature line with a link in it.

      Create a "demerit" or "penalty point" system whereby moderators can assign negative rankings for nonsense posts or dumb stuff like resurrecting a thread that's been dead for months. I've seen a thread almost 3 years old "My site is offline..." where it looked like it had been resolved and OP hadn't visited the forum in nearly 2 years and somebody dug it up with what was essentially a repeat of a prior suggestion.

      Maybe even extra (negative) points depending on "dumbness" or how flagrant a violation that doesn't reach to the level of banning.

      Negatives might go away over time
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  • The Social Media forum is awful. A majority of the threads are about Facebook Scrapers, Autoposters and Buying Likes. And then people wanting to "sale" their groups and fan pages.

    All of these activities are not only worthless, not "marketing", and not likely to be conducive to any amount of "success", they are all blatantly against Facebook TOS.

    It's like the new owners thought "look at the earnings per user. If we just get more users, we'll make more money". I mean, you surely have to be brighter than that to come up with $3M or whatever...but it surely doesn't seem like it.

    It's not the volume that made the marketplace successful...
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      They should scrap all those satellite forums.
      They're only used by trolls building their post counts before unleashing
      their sig file on the main forum.
      seo and facebook questions etc are still posted wrongly on the main forum
      so there really is no point in having them.
      With only a main forum, wso forum and off topic forum
      the mods would be able to keep a closer eye on all the trolls.
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  • Considering, this is probably one of the better discussions iv'e seen on the Main Forum in weeks.
    I wonder why....
  • One advantage to limiting new users posting ability is that it would combat a very frequent problem. Many of the people that ask those questions about $1,243.23 before next Tuesday when the rent is due or how to spend the $156 they have to invest post their one post and then never come back. Some do but many don't.

    I've seen many, many threads where lots of people out of the goodness of their hearts (whether or not they had a sig) tried to answer a question, give advice, help someone out of their desperate situation, etc. only for the thread to be abandoned by the OP.

    Maybe the OP was a troll. Maybe they were overwhelmed and didn't know what to say. Maybe they were more confused now than ever. Maybe it's a game to them. Maybe they took the advice and immediately went to work and so they didn't have time to post again. Who knows but it gets a little discouraging helping anonymous people that seem sincere for one post then disappear.

    Mark
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  • Personally I, like many, don't have time in my day to read each and every response on most threads so duplicate info is par for the course.

    I do agree with answering the original post as that's what the question is and most times people just go off on other conversations. Straying off topic is definitely a pet peeve of mine and contributes to lots of irrelevant posts.

    The problem starts at the top. By that I mean the people and places the "useless" people are learning how to market. Maybe if more people would teach the importance of providing value and succeeding by helping make sure we all succeed a lot of forums would go back to what they're designed for.

    I did catch someone mention that spammers and trolls are going to do what they're going to do. It is what it is and until newcomers get out of the 'money for me' mentality, they will continue to be "useless".

    -Mike
  • This thread could have been posted in any of the past few years. Different year. Same concern.
  • The Solution to SPAM is simple: Charge for SIGs AND make sigs revocable if you violate quality rules. Spammers will think twice.
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    • Most of the spam that gets deleted has the links in the posts. There are those who post junk for sig exposure, so it would probably have some positive impact, but perhaps not as much as you might expect.
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      The signature image option is a paid option already and signatures are revokable. If you don't follow the signature rules, watch how fast it will disappear. I've seen many users whining and crying about their signature disappearing. Making people pay for their text signatures will not stop spam. It won't stop the bots and it won't stop the link spammers who put the links in posts.
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  • Something has to be done to stop those software titles auto posting to forums. Many forums already do a good job. I think this forum is doing a good job. Can't expect the mods to stop all the spam. What I get fed of is all the smoke blowing up other...you know where.
  • Honestly I am getting tired of reporting. Admins needs a solid preventive measure and not a countermeasure by just deleting them.
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  • I agree there are pros and cons to the subforums.

    But I believe that having so many actually degrades the user experience.

    For example, is my post about email conversions supposed to go in the main forum, the conversion forum, or the email forum? I don't know so I may post them in all three. Meanwhile a mod is telling me to move things around and being distracted from the spam removal.

    I think the lines are so blurry it's almost impossible for any reasonable person to know where things go. Current examples:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/copywrit...ue-needed.html was looking for a look and feel site critique in the main forum and was told to move it to the copywriting forum. Is it only copywriters that know if a site looks good?

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...vert-them.html should go to the email forum or is it the conversion forum? As it is it is in the main forum which is neither.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...p-ranking.html is about how to rank a Youtube video higher in Google but they were told to move it to the social media forum.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...mail-list.html Google+ and email. Which forum does it go in?

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...give-away.html This one talks about their blog, asks for a review, and wants an email opt-in strategy.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/website-...at-charge.html This user posted in the web design section which makes sense but she would probably get better advice from the offline section where these people do it everyday.

    Since there are subforums, it just needs to be outlined better which post goes where since most questions have 2-3 parts to it.

    Mark
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  • My favorite is...

    [can you really make money online]

    If I had a nickel for every time I saw a post topic like that... hell I would never have to work another day in my life...

    Then you see all the bullshit posts where someone asks a question that has 3 posts, then somene with 2 posts gives their thought out answer.

    Most of those threads are bots... Then when the thread goes down a ways, the bot will come back in and edit the sig.

    Although I bet Rod has already seen all that junk lol.

    Dude... I used to tell Paul I felt bad for him... I really feel bad for you now. I couldn't do it, I would rather sit in a corner and cut myself all day.
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    • Agreed. Saw the ad for the paid mods, thought about applying for a few seconds, then came to my senses.

      Someday I'm going to snap and put my real answer under that one...

      "I can, you can't"
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  • Is it just me... or have these kinds of posts quadrupled since Freelancer took over?

    Not throwing them under the bus or anything, but I have a feeling opening up the floor to their whole site has let a lot of fly-by-nighters in.

    Maybe we should go back to being a paid forum
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    • This may be an indication it has: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...es-please.html

      Can't say as I blame him! How many more thread starters will start stating the same?!
    • I disagree, not a big difference to when Allen still owned the forum, maybe people are just starting to notice since all the discussion on the topic.
      The only time i saw a marked drop was when they tried the $10 joining fee which raised the bar somewhat and kept out the riff-raff...

      I doubt that change in ownership was a call to action to all fly by nighters...
      Second that ^^^
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  • The best one I can recall seeing lately was a new thread started: "What is HTML5" by a newly registered warrior with a signature line indicating that they were a "web developer"
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  • For every good there is, there is a necessary evil. Something won't thrive if it's all goodness. That's just the basic law of nature.

    Just something to think about...

    For every one here trying to increase their post count, at least a percentage of them really goes on and becomes really good at what they do and becomes a real asset to the forum.

    No one started exceptional. Everyone has got to start somewhere.
  • I think Allen's timing in selling this forum was impeccable...

    Saw the same thing happen in another forum that had nothing
    to do with internet marketing. It was actually in the mortgage industry.

    The original owner started the thing on a server on a desk in his
    apartment and built it into the mortgagre biz version of WF then sold
    it at it's peak for well over 7 figures.

    He exited along with most of the mods. The place is now a virtual ghost town.
  • I don't know... not everyone has high intelligence. Many people don't know if it's a good or bad question, so they just ask it. Its the nature of the online marketplace, of this forum. Looking for short-cuts is part of it, too. People are people...

    Setting up skype masterminds with others who are on your level of expertise (or higher) might be a better way to quell hostility and relieve anxiety. It could also help satisfy your desire to get more out of what you do.

    Just my two cents...
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    Am I the only one tired of the junk posts?

    Is it just me, or does it seem like lately there is more and more unless posts? I am not talking about the spam. There are some incredibly talented and successful people on this forum sharing powerful information. Seems you have to wade through junk to get to useful information?