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For any site flippers who haven't noticed yet, I just thought I'd let you know that Flippa.com (Sitepoint's new site selling area) is now live. Take a look. I think it's *horrible*, but what are your opinions?

-> Flippa: The #1 Marketplace for Buying and Selling Web Sites

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  • Profile picture of the author Shakul
    Just noticed this too..

    My old listing is now imported in Flippa.

    Shakul
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  • Profile picture of the author NewbiesDiary
    wow that page looks like a cheap freebie template!
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  • Profile picture of the author MrsAuspicious
    What's up with the aqua colors for templates lately? I can't believe some of those sites are even on there. I guess we will see how it does now. I've heard so many talkin about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author patricialin
    As much as I like the layout of the new site, the policies of the site could do with some tweaking. My listings got imported and one had a BIN bid just before they closed for the transfer. but it wasn't reflected in the new system. I had to close the auction early instead. Thank goodness, the buyer had already contacted me by then.
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  • Profile picture of the author tessmac9708
    I was just about to post this. I was a very frequent visitor to Sitepoint...I think that will change now. They have completely ruined it...looks horrible!

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    For being from a site that's all about web development and design...they really need to hire a UI / user experience designer. Ugh.
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  • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
    Hey folks,

    I am thinking to lodge a complain email to SitePoint about this because obviously, SitePoint Marketplace has the best user experience and obviously, Flippa sucks.

    What do you guys think?
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  • Profile picture of the author BODH
    I am smelling a new marketplace in somewhere..Certainly its not Flippa.
    something new apart from sitepoint's hands
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    • Profile picture of the author mailco
      Originally Posted by mithunhero View Post

      I am smelling a new marketplace in somewhere..Certainly its not Flippa.
      something new apart from sitepoint's hands
      I see one already and they are giving away credits to get people started.
      It started yesterday: siteflippa.com
      I think I will give it a try seeing it's free at the moment... : )
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  • Profile picture of the author kislany
    Flippa's design sux, and the higher and additional 'success' fees really ruin it for all sellers. I think affected will be particularly those of us who sell startup sites to say up to $200. What margin have we got left once all the flippa fees + paypal fees are paid???
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    • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
      Originally Posted by kislany View Post

      Flippa's design sux, and the higher and additional 'success' fees really ruin it for all sellers. I think affected will be particularly those of us who sell startup sites to say up to $200. What margin have we got left once all the flippa fees + paypal fees are paid???

      True. It will be some time for some developers to develop a new marketplace that is way better than Flippa.

      In the SitePoint blog, it seems that Flippa is catered to the buyers. This is not a win-win situation between buyers, sellers and Flippa.

      This is a WIN situation for Flippa only.
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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    I've got to disagree with you guys. I'm not too sure I like Flippa's layout, but I do like the success fee. Anything that raises the bar somewhat might help keep out a lot of a junk that's been flooding the market. I'm willing to at least be open minded and see what actually happens.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Hixson
      Originally Posted by absolutelee View Post

      I've got to disagree with you guys. I'm not too sure I like Flippa's layout, but I do like the success fee. Anything that raises the bar somewhat might help keep out a lot of a junk that's been flooding the market. I'm willing to at least be open minded and see what actually happens.
      i thought the categorizing between startups, established and premium already allowed a lot of the junk to be filtered out. the start ups had the 'new sites' that attracted a lot of the junk sites - and i dont see a problem with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I have to say I thought the design of sitepoint was a lot crisper, but I guess I can get used to Flippa. I like it better for research because you can easily see the bids and ending prices.

    I'm not too happy about the massive increase in fees. I haven't sold sites in a while but was thinking about getting back into it but the fees are a real deterrent for selling startup sites. On the other hand, it might knock out a lot of the competition so maybe I will sell more sites and makeup for it that way in the end. I guess only time will tell.

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  • Profile picture of the author InternetM39482
    Wow, this ain't user friendly at all. The simpler marketplace was (10^)x better.

    I'm still exploring it... but this IS going to change site flipping a lot. Not for those who have a buyers' pool though.

    [BTW, I wanted to ask - No categorizing established, startup, premium sites? What about domain names, templates, WTB ads? :confused:]
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  • Profile picture of the author patricialin
    It's my first day using flippa and i'm really not happy about it. there are still a lot of bugs lying around the site. plus, the success fee is really going to eat into my earnings. gosh, what a bummer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ant West
    Anyone intrested in a partnership in setting a competitor site up?
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    • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
      Originally Posted by Ant West View Post

      Anyone intrested in a partnership in setting a competitor site up?
      I've got a couple of people already asked me to set up a competitor site up. Hehe...

      Maybe we should all team up.
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    • Profile picture of the author kanus
      Originally Posted by Ant West View Post

      Anyone intrested in a partnership in setting a competitor site up?
      YES, but only if it offers some kind of buyer protection. I cant tell you how much money I've lost in buying sites. 1 out of 10 actually did what the seller was claiming, of course when I ask for a refund... I don't get it, and the payment processors are no help. I say long term escrow, we will attract only serious sellers, not the scam sellers that take advantage of paypal privacy and no help with digital purchase BS. Sorry if this sounds bitter, its because I am! I wouldn't even mind if the sites I bought did half of what they were supposed to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    ....the success fee is really going to eat into my earnings. gosh, what a bummer.
    I just noticed that this fee has a $10 minimum so if you are selling sites for under $200 (which i usually do) you are getting the short end of the stick. SO, it's going to cost a minimum of $29 for a listing, plus any extras, plus domain name registration, plus paypal fees....

    One good thing is that if you have to relist then you can do so for 1/2 the fees.

    I think it's kind of weird that the startup and established sites now cost the same.

    This is kind of like the ebay thing though - sitepoint is where they buyers are so any other auctions site, while attractive to sellers, is going to have to do a hell of a lot of work to bring the buyers.

    When ebay started to get fee happy many years back, there was a lot of talk about starting other auction sites but none could get off the ground because ebay had the brand and name recognition.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Expert
      You're right about Ebay. Not cool either. Amazon if really their only major competitor right now...and they're not even an auction site.

      Everyone was hoping that Google would have launched an online auction service. Thought that their "Google Checkout" competitor to PayPal was a herald of things to come.

      Alas, it was not to be. Google and eBay are actually enamored of each other and have no intention of competing.

      Maybe it's the same for Sitepoint. From a business perspective, I guess I might do the same thing if I were them.

      I mean...if that's your business model, how do you increase your profits? Every company wants to INCREASE profits...not just remain the same as before.

      The fastest and easiest way to do that is to raise prices. Sure, you'll lose customers...but as long as your bottom line is increased when all is said and done...well...that's what's business is really about in the end. Anyone who says different is both idealistic and wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    I like how you can hover over the graph symbol thingy to get the stats for each site without opening the listing, and it's a lot more evident what's selling now, or even just what's attracting interest. The whole thing is more open, and having seen the ludicrous BINs and start prices that some people are hoping to get for sites with no traffic, no income, and no history, I think a more revealing listings page might actually save some sellers money by presenting them with a more realistic picture of what's likely and either dissuade them from listing until their site has more substance or persuade them to bring the price down a bit.

    Yes, it does seem more open. I like that. I knew I could find something favourable to say about it. Eventually.

    I'm not too bothered (for myself, at least) that virgin turnkey sites probably won't do well there, because I've moved towards selling more established sites anyway. I'm glad I did that before flippa went live though, as I'd hate it to be seen as evidence that flippa is already eliminating the turnkey sites that they clearly don't want to see there. That said, if flippa survives then I don't think it will be down to those who created it, it will be down to the sellers and their adaptability in making the best of a bad job. Whether they think it's worth the effort remains to be seen.

    I still dislike the increase in fees - I've yet to see anything I think justifies that.

    I still dislike the design, especially the massive, pointlessly huge header that takes up almost the entire screen on the front page.

    Most of all, I still really dislike that name. It's going to end up having worse bargain basement connotations than eBay.

    Some of it is a step in the right direction. Most of it is a step in something a bit smellier
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  • Profile picture of the author newton
    For people selling new sites, it really sucks. Costs $9 extra to list and you have to pay 5% of the final sales price (assuming you pay it and not the buyer).

    For people selling established sites it costs $1 less to list the site but still the extra 5% on top. So that sucks too.

    The site design sucks. You have to click way more links to find out what is happening with your auctions.

    The site has many bugs. So that sucks.

    Oh, maybe I'm not being clear here - I think it sucks!

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I hate it. The queasy, cheesy Web 2.0 Twittery design does not POP at all. There's very little contrast between the listings, even the highlighted ones since everything is now blue. Obviously a developer's idea of graphic design rather than a designer's idea of graphic design. Make everything blue, make everything big, build in functions to slow the site down and provide less actual usability.

    The seller's name is now NOT shown until you actually open the auction, which is a time consuming mess. There's a ton of scammers that I never even bother to open their auctions and now I have to look to see. By the same token, there are some of my favorite sellers that I may miss because I didn't open the auction to see it.

    The site is not user friendly. The fee increases are outrageous. Of course, Flippa has now given us, the sellers, the option of being the bad guy and making our buyers pay it.

    "Better for Buyers" ... lol

    It's not better for buyers with so many unhappy sellers. How happy are buyers with nothing to buy?

    None of my saved pms migrated along with the site so my contact list is gone. Would have to go into all my sold auctions to find the buyers to get contact info. Real pain.

    The domain name is so unbelievably cheesy I can't imagine that they thought it was a great idea.

    And what additional services are we getting for the price increase? Haven't found them yet.

    I'm waiting for the smart entrepreneur to come along and sweep all us unhappy sellers away.

    Did I mention that I hate it?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Hixson
    You say that it might take time to get traffic of buyers and sellers - maybe the WF owners (just started here so dont know who is who) might consider setting it up like the old sitepoint? It has the traffic of people who buy and sell, the know how and the good will of many influential marketers.

    Seems to me there could be good money in it for the forum owners
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      its alright.
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  • Profile picture of the author Audrey Harvey
    I had a listing migrated over from Sitepoint to Flippa. The listing has been migrated incorrectly - it now says non unique design and non unique content, whereas both are unique. I logged in to Flippa yesterday and correctd that, and now I find that today they're both back to being listed as non unique.

    If you've had a listing moved over from Sitepoint, check it carefully.
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    • Profile picture of the author newton
      Originally Posted by Audrey Harvey View Post

      I had a listing migrated over from Sitepoint to Flippa. The listing has been migrated incorrectly - it now says non unique design and non unique content, whereas both are unique. I logged in to Flippa yesterday and correctd that, and now I find that today they're both back to being listed as non unique.

      If you've had a listing moved over from Sitepoint, check it carefully.
      Yeah me too.

      Site was unique in the Sitepoint listing but when moved it's now suddenly not unique.

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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    I have mixed feelings about it. I absolutely hate how they raised the fees THEN turn around and take a percentage out during a successful sale. Then there isn't a place to classify startups, established sites, and premiums on the front page (there is a spot for it in the filter section though). With those flaws, everyone is gonna say that it is "established" when they really aren't, just like with eBay (which is 90% garbage anyway). BTW, WHERE IN THE HELL IS MY TRUSTY ADVANCED SEARCH FEATURE FROM SITEPOINT?!

    The name fits with me simply because it is Web 2.0 and it's an Ebonics sounding name (replacing the "er" with an "a"). I guess the design is okay, and the eBay like interface is nice, but as Suzanne says, the buyer's name isn't visible until you click on an auction. Which means unless you're signed up to your favorite buyer's list, you won't be able to know that it is from him/her.

    But hey, I'm thinking that since the site is still new it probably isn't awfully saturated ATM, so people can jump on this. I could be wrong, though. I think that it will hurt sales thanks to the new layout, however.
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  • Profile picture of the author steve m
    Not a very good idea if you ask me, I hate it already. Why fix what aint broke?
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Murdaugh
    I think it's terrible.

    I really liked how everything was integrated and easy to search on Sitepoint... Shop for a website, see a good deal on a designer or a script, hire a whatever.

    It was a one stop webmaster shop... Now it's a pain to find anything.

    The old marketplace was great, they should just leave it as is.

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  • Profile picture of the author ryansjones
    Sounds like an interesting website. I have one website up for renewal next month, but will not renew it due to lack of conversions on it (plus I made a better version of it on another domain name, and so I might sell the one that needs to be renewed).
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  • Profile picture of the author Stefan Vee
    I miss the old format as well ........... BUT............

    That's because I got so used to it. I was an expert in finding great stuff on sitepoint...

    I am not anymore (at this time) ...

    That will change, I am confident about that.

    And the format of flippa will become more user friendly than ever.

    Just give these guys some time.

    They are marketers as well, remember? Most probably "excellent" marketers!
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    • Profile picture of the author Arunabh Singh
      Originally Posted by Stefan Vee View Post

      I miss the old format as well ........... BUT............

      That's because I got so used to it. I was an expert in finding great stuff on sitepoint...

      I am not anymore (at this time) ...

      That will change, I am confident about that.

      And the format of flippa will become more user friendly than ever.

      Just give these guys some time.

      They are marketers as well, remember? Most probably "excellent" marketers!
      I am sure they will spice it up in future but I think they launched the site in a hurry. Very Un-sitepoint.

      The point I am trying to make is dont launch a product or website until it is 100% ready. Nothing turns off people more than unprofessionalism.


      BTW is it me or the Advanced Search feature is really missing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Habitat
    Are they serious? Their old marketplace was ten times better.
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  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    I do not buy and sell domains but if I did and ran into this site just by the looks of it I would think its a total rip off lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author remodeler
    Flippa flat out SUCKS! I can only hope that someone takes advantage of this situation and starts a new service. On top of that they completely screwed up a listing I currently had on SP when they migrated. Been trying to get it corrected all day with no luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    It appears to me that they went out of their way to build in inconvenience. I am not even looking at the new auctions since I can't see the seller without opening the auction. I seriously doubt that my listings will sell at all in this format. Before I could upgrade to category featured listing for $10 to get noticed but that's gone too. Don't have pending bids clearly visible in the account overview. Have to go to the auction, click on bid management ... 3 steps for everything that used to take one click.

    It's the worst.
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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      It also looks like you can't use $ in the titles.

      So if you want to advertise a site making $4000 per month,
      it will look like this "4000 per month".....not quite as effective if
      you ask me.

      I also hate the listing format, you must use the filters to see categories, etc....just dumb if you ask me....but we shall see how it goes.
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    • Profile picture of the author Stefan Vee
      I think they should add thumbnail previews to their listings, not just to each individual ad. That would make a big difference
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  • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
    I wonder if anyone from SitePoint is actually reading this thread.

    Hope they realized their mistake. They probably invested some money into Flippa but it's gonna be a failure anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author Akky
    Damn Flippa.com is terrible n' horrible. The design itself is like a $30 design bought from DigitalPoint. The design is not compatible with my monitor's resolution which is 1920X1200 . the way the listing is seen suks. People won't notice the listings. It's being placed in such a way . Some competitor should be there and we should no longer be dependent on Flippa

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  • Profile picture of the author ThalesMM
    I've thought it would make things easier, but dude, what the heck?
    I agree with the ones who said the former marketplace was better, even thus I like changes, this one was really a bad move..
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    • Profile picture of the author stayfocused
      What I don't agree with is that they are charging a success fee on listings that got transferred over. I don't mind them charging a success fee. They can charge all they want because it is there business.

      I just think it would of been a nice gesture to waive the success fee on those sites that where listed on sitepoint.com and transferred over. When I listed my site I didn't agree to any success fee.

      We shall see how it goes........
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      • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
        Originally Posted by stayfocused View Post

        What I don't agree with is that they are charging a success fee on listings that got transferred over. I don't mind them charging a success fee. They can charge all they want because it is there business.

        I just think it would of been a nice gesture to waive the success fee on those sites that where listed on sitepoint.com and transferred over. When I listed my site I didn't agree to any success fee.

        We shall see how it goes........
        I had no listings live when they were transferred over, but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the success fee wouldn't apply to those.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    Originally Posted by FuffyFoo View Post

    If one posts at Flippa does the thread show up in SitePoint and viceversa ?
    The old SitePoint category URLs are redirected to their flippa equivalents now. There are no websites for sale on SitePoint, just services.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I was just going to post that I got this email from Kate Anderson about development of a new site, plus another Warrior is also developing a site, so go on over to Kate's new site and get on that email list to be notified plus go here and subscribe to this thread
    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ease-read.html and leave a comment so you get on his list also to be notified. Flippa will find that there are "Plenty of Fish" when it comes to our options. I personally am not spending any more money on Flippa.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I'm on board, already =)

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    Just signed up!

    I noticed that there are only 4 listings today on Flippa under the startup category - I have to admit I haven't checked in there in quite a while, but surely this is way less than normal?

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Yeah ... I'm keeping track of the Flippa stats to see how they compare in a month from now.

    Flippa Stats
    June 22 498 sites listed
    June 23 499 sites listed


    June 23
    24,442,321 Total Sales
    34% Sold
    41,415 Total Listings
    36,613 Total Members
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
      Originally Posted by Audrey Harvey View Post

      I logged in to Flippa yesterday and correctd that, and now I find that today they're both back to being listed as non unique.
      I'm very sorry about this. Please contact support if you're continuing to have problems with this.

      Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

      Then there isn't a place to classify startups, established sites, and premiums on the front page (there is a spot for it in the filter section though). With those flaws, everyone is gonna say that it is "established" when they really aren't, just like with eBay (which is 90% garbage anyway). BTW, WHERE IN THE HELL IS MY TRUSTY ADVANCED SEARCH FEATURE FROM SITEPOINT?!
      While we have the old "Premium/Established/Startup" filters in place, we are encouraging all buyers to setup their own filters & automatic email notifications.

      In the old marketplace, an established website just had to be older than 30 days. Many buyers though want a website that's 12 months old, generated $500 per month in revenue from advertising, and gets at least 10K unique visitors. They had to sort through a *lot* of listings in the "Established" category to find exactly what they wanted. With the new system, they can now define whatever criteria they want, and quickly view only those listings.

      Here's the link toi the advanced search feature: (click the "custom filters" button) — . It's much more robust than before, and you can save your searches for easy access in the future. Hopefully you find it useful.

      Originally Posted by kanus View Post

      YES, but only if it offers some kind of buyer protection. I cant tell you how much money I've lost in buying sites. 1 out of 10 actually did what the seller was claiming, of course when I ask for a refund...
      We have more people and more resources than ever before... We're working on adding in verified stats via the Google Analytics API, doing name & address verification on all bidders, and more.

      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Don't have pending bids clearly visible in the account overview. Have to go to the auction, click on bid management ... 3 steps for everything that used to take one click.
      That's very good, very constructive feedback that we can act on. I've passed it onto our CTO, so that we can prioritize it. Thanks!

      Originally Posted by Josh Kulp View Post

      It also looks like you can't use $ in the titles..
      Good point. We've now removed it from the filter! Let me know if you find any other oddities or bugs, so that we can squash them.

      Originally Posted by stayfocused View Post

      I just think it would of been a nice gesture to waive the success fee on those sites that where listed on sitepoint.com and transferred over. When I listed my site I didn't agree to any success fee.
      There are no success fees payable on listings that got automatically transfered over
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
        Originally Posted by RCGurus View Post

        It looks like a rip off. The choice of aqua colors. As mentioned above all that makes it look cheap and could scare users away.
        Thanks for the feedback. There's definitely room for us to tweak the color scheme going forward... I'm personally looking forward to getting rid of the ugly, placeholder logo

        Originally Posted by Realdeals228 View Post

        Has anyone else been unable to manage their watch list? I am stuck with a watch list full of listings that have ended and I cannot remove for some reason. I am also having trouble with the advanced search. I think if you choose an income type, products, advertising or services it is not working with imported listings. Also the look is not as good as the old clean, rectangular white one.
        Thanks for letting us know about the watchlist issue.

        Regarding income type, in the old marketplace we didn't ask people to specify a source of revenue which is why we don't have that data. For the next 30-day or so, it's best not to use those three items as search criteria...
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      • Profile picture of the author John Hixson
        Originally Posted by Matt Mickiewicz View Post

        While we have the old "Premium/Established/Startup" filters in place, we are encouraging all buyers to setup their own filters & automatic email notifications.

        In the old marketplace, an established website just had to be older than 30 days. Many buyers though want a website that's 12 months old, generated $500 per month in revenue from advertising, and gets at least 10K unique visitors. They had to sort through a *lot* of listings in the "Established" category to find exactly what they wanted. With the new system, they can now define whatever criteria they want, and quickly view only those listings.

        Here's the link toi the advanced search feature: (click the "custom filters" button) -- . It's much more robust than before, and you can save your searches for easy access in the future. Hopefully you find it useful.
        Isn't that just throwing the baby out with the bath water though? You have recognised a need to change the advanced search functions/filter and thats fair enough - but why then also get rid of the obvious category function that many people liked AND casual surfers could flick through without having to do in depth searches?

        I am also intrigued as to the thinking behind the new fee structure. You have basically wiped out the profit margin for a lot of the brand new websites - which will lead to them having to stop listing in their present forms, whether that means changing methods, giving up or using other sites is yet to be seen. Is it you feel that this sector is one that you have no interest in as a business model?
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        [QUOTE=Matt Mickiewicz;908525]While we have the old "Premium/Established/Startup" filters in place, we are encouraging all buyers to setup their own filters & automatic email notifications.


        I just want all the info "at a glance" that I had before. On SP, I instantly knew how many credits I had, whether or not I had any instant messages, WHO was selling a site. With just one click, I could then see if there were pending bids, comments on my auctions, how many were getting close to closing, how many days left on each auction. I could see whether or not a new auction was a startup, established or premium. I'm not a fan of the filters at all. I liked the convenience and time saving of the format that gave you the maximum amount of info "at a single glance."

        Because you seem to want this narrow template, upon first view, half of the titles are cut off so you can't read all of the major selling points the seller is trying to convey, and no seller is visible unless you open the auction.

        I am not going to sit around and open every auction to get the full title and the seller. The seller info is very important to me. There are sellers that I will not buy from and sellers that I want to see whatever they are selling. I'm not just a seller ... I'm a buyer and a seller.

        You keep playing up the point that there is more support, more people available. That's not a selling point to me. I never needed support. The only thing I ever used support for was to report some auctions that were against TOS.

        In addition, the sites I have listed are not generating any interest now. The category featured upgrade always generated some pms and questions about the sites and got them noticed. My traffic stats are way down now and I'm not getting any pms on my auctions.


        One more thing: All unsold sites automatically turn into private listings which stay on Flippa.com for 6 months FREE OF CHARGE.

        That's an ok feature, but I already have all the cheapos in town offering me private offers that are completely unacceptable and I imagine having auctions sitting around in "make an offer land" will be more of the same. When I list a site that I've paid good money for and have driven real traffic to and have some income generating from it, it is hard to "bite my tongue" when someone pms me and says I'll give you $200 for this right now and you can end the auction.

        There are also no smilies on the pms. Smilies are a normal part of online communications so that people can add in a little extra meaning to communication with strangers without the benefit of facial expressions.

        In addition, the new pricing will probably eventually eliminate all the real bargains available for bargain hunters like me. A couple of weeks ago, I purchased a PR 3 site with great content for $60. It needs some sprucing up, but it's a real bargain. This person and many like him will probably think two or three times before listing again with a sizeable cut being taken from their profits.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      I like it.

      I got a good feeling on their site, as a person who was surfing casually just to see how much good websites cost... Isn't that what matters? The Buyer?

      If everyone was as savvy as a warrior about web design then they might be skeptical too, but I think alot of people surfing to buy sites aren't that savvy and they just go with what "feels right" to them.

      Being that person, I really enjoyed my visit to the site.

      I think whoever advertises there will do well. Call it blind intuition.
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      • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
        Originally Posted by kadensnga View Post

        I got a good feeling on their site, as a person who was surfing casually just to see how much good websites cost... Isn't that what matters? The Buyer?
        Yes, naturally, but if the sellers aren't happy and won't list as a result of it, then the buyer experience is not going to amount to much if there is little to choose from. The name of the site - which is really my biggest objection and bothers me far more than the fees - would baffle the most unsavvy surfers, those who've never heard of website flipping and just want to buy one for the income they'd hope to generate from it. I'd owned websites long before I'd ever heard of site-flipping, and I'd have been completely mystified as to why this site appeared to be named after a giant fish. Life's complicated enough already, for cod's sake, but let's not carp about it...

        Believe it or not, I actually want this site to succeed. Despite the fact that I think it's currently a pile of codswallop (enough with the fish stuff - shut it), I know that behind it are the good people whose generosity had them leveraging the power of their brilliant web-dev books by holding an almost give-away sale to help the Australian bushfire victims (and which I could not post on here about and praise them for soon enough at the time). I liked the old marketplace a lot, although it had huge limitations and needed the user-friendly revamp or replacement that I always believed SitePoint more than capable of creating. I just don't feel that this is it - it falls short by a long way.

        In all honesty, I don't see a credible alternative to the SitePoint marketplace emerging at the present time, but unless we speak up and voice our dissatisfactions (and are listened to), flippa will be no different from any other of the old marketplace's mediocre competitors and everybody loses out - SitePoint, the sellers and the buyers.
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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by Diana Lane View Post

          Yes, naturally, but if the sellers aren't happy and won't list as a result of it, then the buyer experience is not going to amount to much if there is little to choose from. The name of the site - which is really my biggest objection and bothers me far more than the fees - would baffle the most unsavvy surfers, those who've never heard of website flipping and just want to buy one for the income they'd hope to generate from it. I'd owned websites long before I'd ever heard of site-flipping, and I'd have been completely mystified as to why this site appeared to be named after a giant fish. Life's complicated enough already, for cod's sake, but let's not carp about it...
          Firstly,

          You are hilarious! I love it.

          Secondly,
          I see your point about the name.

          Thirdly,
          You obviously understand your market place better than I do, and are one of the people who made it a great market place to begin with, so you should absolutely have a voice, as a person with vested interest.

          Fourthly (is that a word)?

          My opinion isn't really worth much on the subject, but I enjoy listening all the smart people talk about it, so every now and then it kinda makes me feel "smart by association" if I can add my "Two Cents"

          You go on with your bad self Girl! Stick it to "the man" !!!

          Screw "Flipper"!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kate Anderson
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Yeah ... I'm keeping track of the Flippa stats to see how they compare in a month from now.

      Flippa Stats
      June 22 498 sites listed
      June 23 499 sites listed


      June 23
      24,442,321 Total Sales
      34% Sold
      41,415 Total Listings
      36,613 Total Members
      We're keeping track of the overall progress/stats as well, and so far, in two days, only six sites have sold on Flippa.. pretty disheartening results so far.

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      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Yeah ... I'm keeping track of the Flippa stats to see how they compare in a month from now.

      Flippa Stats
      June 22 498 sites listed
      June 23 499 sites listed


      June 23
      24,442,321 Total Sales
      34% Sold
      41,415 Total Listings
      36,613 Total Members
      How you got these figures, especially these sales figures?

      As far as I can see there are only 13 sites sold on Flippa yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author RCGurus
    It looks like a rip off. The choice of aqua colors. As mentioned above all that makes it look cheap and could scare users away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Realdeals228
    Has anyone else been unable to manage their watch list? I am stuck with a watch list full of listings that have ended and I cannot remove for some reason. I am also having trouble with the advanced search. I think if you choose an income type, products, advertising or services it is not working with imported listings. Also the look is not as good as the old clean, rectangular white one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
    One more thing: All unsold sites automatically turn into private listings which stay on Flippa.com for 6 months FREE OF CHARGE. These are accessible via the private listings tab, and will come up in search results as well, hopefully giving you many more opportunities to make a sale without paying additional listing fees.
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    • Profile picture of the author stayfocused
      I put my first site up for sell on sitepoint.com. I listed it for 4 days.

      It got switched over the flippa and it just ended. I ended up getting my BIN price.

      I guess that means people are still buying sites on the new platform.

      Now I got to figure out how to get paid and get the site transferred.

      Now the fun begins :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
        Originally Posted by stayfocused View Post

        I put my first site up for sell on sitepoint.com. I listed it for 4 days.

        It got switched over the flippa and it just ended. I ended up getting my BIN price.

        I guess that means people are still buying sites on the new platform.

        Now I got to figure out how to get paid and get the site transferred.
        Congrats on your first Flippa.com sale!

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  • Profile picture of the author ASM Marketing
    One bug that BUGGED me is that immedietly after my auction was transferred, Flippa is claiming that my content is NOT unique. I think this feature is heavily flawed... My content is 100% unique and not one sentence is copy and pasted from another site. I would bet a lot of people have been instantly turned off by my auction having that attached to it. Any online marketer worth their salt knows that that ONE bug could be worth $100+ or more.

    If I'm honest, I think Sitepoint has substituted some of the customer satisfaction factor for increased profits... Not something that I am overjoyed with, but perhaps this IS a good time for a competitor to put their hand up.

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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      Is there a way to specify the auction length?

      I don't want a 29 day auction, I want a 7 day auction,
      but I don't see a way to edit it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kate Anderson
        Josh,

        You can't change it once it's live.. (either to extend the date or reduce the end time).

        Originally Posted by Josh Kulp View Post

        Is there a way to specify the auction length?

        I don't want a 29 day auction, I want a 7 day auction,
        but I don't see a way to edit it.
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        • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
          Originally Posted by Kate Anderson View Post

          Josh,

          You can't change it once it's live.. (either to extend the date or reduce the end time).
          Well that sucks. I guess I just missed the option to edit the length before it starts...because I didn't see it. Oh well, next time.


          I also agree with sbucciarel, I want to see my credits, PMs, etc...all at a glance. I hate having to click multiple links to see all of that stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author MeTellYou
    I don't think anything is going to matter as far as protests go. They think they will be making more money (which obviously they won't) but the only way we can protest this is stop using them. any good alternatives?
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  • Profile picture of the author newton
    I'm trying to list an auction on flippa at present but cannot get past Stage #3. When I click to go to stage #4 I get an error that says "Invalid Listing Type".

    Checked all the settings and everything is filled in correctly.

    Maybe this is why there aren't many auctions going live in the past few days?

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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
      Originally Posted by ASM Marketing View Post

      One bug that BUGGED me is that immedietly after my auction was transferred, Flippa is claiming that my content is NOT unique. I think this feature is heavily flawed... My content is 100% unique and not one sentence is copy and pasted from another site. I would bet a lot of people have been instantly turned off by my auction having that attached to it. Any online marketer worth their salt knows that that ONE bug could be worth $100+ or more.
      Yes, you're absolutely right that some of the imported auctions had their unique/non-unique status screwed up. If this is still the case with your auction, please send an email to support. I'm happy to waive the listing fee on your next auction as well, for the mix-up on our part, just send me your Flippa username via pM.

      Originally Posted by Josh Kulp View Post

      Is there a way to specify the auction length?

      I don't want a 29 day auction, I want a 7 day auction,
      but I don't see a way to edit it.
      Yes, we've now added this to the listing wizard. You can select the auction length when you first create your auction.

      However, you still can't extend your listing while it's in progress. We've left this feature out on purpose because it was being abused. We take the view that sellers shouldn't be allowed to pretend an auction is ending in two days, then constantly extend by two days until it runs for a full thirty days. Buyers have the right to know under what conditions they're bidding.

      I just want all the info "at a glance" that I had before. On SP, I instantly knew how many credits I had, whether or not I had any instant messages, WHO was selling a site. With just one click, I could then see if there were pending bids, comments on my auctions, how many were getting close to closing, how many days left on each auction. I could see whether or not a new auction was a startup, established or premium.
      We've now added the PM count notification, we'll definitely make the pending bid notification more prominent, and comment counts are definitely making a come-back as well. It's obvious in our attempt to simplify the layout and reduce clutter, that we should have been less aggressive in removing information from the main listing pages.

      Because you seem to want this narrow template, upon first view, half of the titles are cut off so you can't read all of the major selling points the seller is trying to convey, and no seller is visible unless you open the auction.
      Could you email me a screenshot of the cut-off titles that you see? matt [at] sitepoint . com .

      I am not going to sit around and open every auction to get the full title and the seller. The seller info is very important to me. There are sellers that I will not buy from and sellers that I want to see whatever they are selling. I'm not just a seller ... I'm a buyer and a seller.
      Thanks for this critical piece of feedback. We tried to simplify the layout and reduce clutter, but since we've heard this from a number of people, and it sounds like we'll have to change the layout of the listing page to display this information.

      In addition, the sites I have listed are not generating any interest now. The category featured upgrade always generated some pms and questions about the sites and got them noticed. My traffic stats are way down now and I'm not getting any pms on my auctions.
      The "Private Message Seller" link is a lot harder to find now since we want questions to be asked publicly, so everyone can benefit from the answers. Do you think we should make it more prominent?

      In terms of gauging interest in your auction, we've now got auction view counters going.

      That's an ok feature, but I already have all the cheapos in town offering me private offers that are completely unacceptable and I imagine having auctions sitting around in "make an offer land" will be more of the same. When I list a site that I've paid good money for and have driven real traffic to and have some income generating from it, it is hard to "bite my tongue" when someone pms me and says I'll give you $200 for this right now and you can end the auction.
      You actually set a reserve price with your private listing, and offers below that are automatically rejected to save you time in having to deal with the crappy offers from bargain hunters. Hopefully that saves you time!


      There are also no smilies on the pms. Smilies are a normal part of online communications so that people can add in a little extra meaning to communication with strangers without the benefit of facial expressions.
      I've submitted this as a request on the flippa . uservoice . com page. Please go and vote for it


      I also agree with sbucciarel, I want to see my credits, PMs, etc...all at a glance. I hate having to click multiple links to see all of that stuff.
      You asked for it, we deliver. We've now added a link at the top of the site which appears when you have unread PMs, tells you how many, and lets you get quickly to your Inbox. This should make your workflow more smooth.

      Originally Posted by newton View Post

      I'm trying to list an auction on flippa at present but cannot get past Stage #3. When I click to go to stage #4 I get an error that says "Invalid Listing Type".
      We're looking into this today.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Matt Mickiewicz View Post

        The "Private Message Seller" link is a lot harder to find now since we want questions to be asked publicly, so everyone can benefit from the answers. Do you think we should make it more prominent?

        I'm not interested in public comments and delete all of them. These are auctions ... ads ... that I pay for and I have had far too many little auction spoilers leaving irrelevant comments on my and other people's auctions. If I paid good money for any other advertising platform, I wouldn't have to deal with ad sabotage. If there's something wrong with my auction, they can report it. If they have a question, they can pm me. It's not negotiable to me. These are paid for ads ... not blogs and comments are not welcome on mine.


        Originally Posted by Matt Mickiewicz View Post

        In terms of gauging interest in your auction, we've now got auction view counters going.
        I've always had my own counter installed to track the interest in my auctions and monitor it daily. It is dropping.

        In regards to the titles being truncated ... the titles are a brief overview of the auction. I always put my main selling points in the titles ... the first line of the title. You seem to have a character limit in place and part of the first line of the title shows up and then it's ...

        I want to be able to see the entire first line of the title. If they engage my interest in that line, I will look at the auction. Now that's impossible. I don't want to have to open every auction to see what it's about and showing the entire first line gives me enough info to be able to decide if it is worth opening.

        I appreciate that you seem to be trying to handle complaints and fix things that really bug people. It may make a difference ... we'll see. The fact is ... I'm a results oriented person and if I don't get results for my money, I'll spend it elsewhere, so only time will tell, but I did want to say I appreciate you listening to customers.
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        • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
          Originally Posted by Matt Mickiewicz

          The "Private Message Seller" link is a lot harder to find now since we want questions to be asked publicly, so everyone can benefit from the answers. Do you think we should make it more prominent?
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


          I'm not interested in public comments and delete all of them. These are auctions ... ads ... that I pay for and I have had far too many little auction spoilers leaving irrelevant comments on my and other people's auctions. If I paid good money for any other advertising platform, I wouldn't have to deal with ad sabotage. If there's something wrong with my auction, they can report it. If they have a question, they can pm me. It's not negotiable to me. These are paid for ads ... not blogs and comments are not welcome on mine.
          I agree with this 100%. There are people out there who post questions just for the heck of it, they aren't really interested at all, time wasters.

          And there are others who look for those posting questions in your auction, just so they can try to sell their product behind your back, a sabotage of sorts.

          And you have others fishing for information, just so they can try to create a similar site without needing to actually purchase yours.

          These are all very important issues that Flippa needs to consider when they say they want questions answered publicly. It might benefit the time wasters, those who sabotage, and those trying to copycat your site. But it does not benefit the seller.

          If someone is really interested, and has a serious question, they can PM it to me for the answer. Other than that, I don't want to hear from them. I put all of the information I want to make public in the description itself, anything else is on a case-by-case basis.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kate Anderson
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post


          I'm not interested in public comments and delete all of them. These are auctions ... ads ... that I pay for and I have had far too many little auction spoilers leaving irrelevant comments on my and other people's auctions. If I paid good money for any other advertising platform, I wouldn't have to deal with ad sabotage. If there's something wrong with my auction, they can report it. If they have a question, they can pm me. It's not negotiable to me. These are paid for ads ... not blogs and comments are not welcome on mine.

          Absolutely, 110% agree. The babysitting that we've had to do with ridiculous comments designed to harm our auctions has been tedious, to say the least.

          I do have a question for Matt.. on SP over the last couple of months, a lot of us sellers experienced "fake BIN's" tying up our auctions for 30+ minutes at a time, repeatedly. (some people would simply click the BIN each time it renewed to keep it from appearing within the marketplace). I reported this to you guys awhile back.

          Has this been corrected with the new marketplace? If someone clicks BIN, how long does your site go into "pending" mode and is it removed from being visible in the market during that time?
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          • Profile picture of the author newton
            Originally Posted by Kate Anderson View Post

            Absolutely, 110% agree. The babysitting that we've had to do with ridiculous comments designed to harm our auctions has been tedious, to say the least.

            I do have a question for Matt.. on SP over the last couple of months, a lot of us sellers experienced "fake BIN's" tying up our auctions for 30+ minutes at a time, repeatedly. (some people would simply click the BIN each time it renewed to keep it from appearing within the marketplace). I reported this to you guys awhile back.

            Has this been corrected with the new marketplace? If someone clicks BIN, how long does your site go into "pending" mode and is it removed from being visible in the market during that time?
            That's a good question Kate and adds to something I was thinking about myself.

            With these fake BIN's (Yes I've had my fair share too) what happens with the success fee? Are we invoiced for it as normal? If we list the site again due to the fraudelent bidder, does the success fee get removed? Do we have to pay for the auction again?

            Due to Flippa not being able to see if a buyer HAS actually paid, this leaves quite an open market for many support issues.

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  • Profile picture of the author newton
    Hi Matt

    You're up late!

    I've created a support ticket for this issue.

    All the best

    Tony

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  • Profile picture of the author Desmond Ong
    First of all Matt,

    It's Desmond here and thanks for dropping by this thread.

    Flippa is great. But not to site sellers and site buyers.

    I know you try to protect the quality of the SitePoint brand and try to shake off lousy sites on the marketplace -- but that's life.

    Even in the best marketplace in the world, there will be flaws.

    The reason SitePoint Marketplace (the old one) is so successful is because we have site sellers like Kate Anderson, sbucciarel and myself who support SitePoint Marketplace and continue to list our sites there.

    So, I highly recommend you to consult with both site sellers and site buyers.

    If the count of site sellers reduce in Flippa (which I am certain) -- it's not good for site buyers either because I personally even know some big guys on the internet who bought my sites on SitePoint Marketplace.

    It's never too late to turn back before someone builds a dream marketplace for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    The moral of this whole story is this: Change isn't always good.
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    • Profile picture of the author yommys01
      Originally Posted by Biggy Fat View Post

      The moral of this whole story is this: Change isn't always good.
      exactly. The annoying thing is that I was hoping to list some established sites this week but I guess I have to keep them for now as I am not ready to waste my money.

      No site is selling on the new market place. Hilarious, disgusting and annoying.
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    • Profile picture of the author newton
      Hi Matt

      As you are monitoring this thread and it seems like the easiest way of giving feedback, here's some I've just found out:

      I finally managed to get my auction listed and it has had a bid of $97. I received an email to let me know.

      BUT...

      #1 - I login to my account and see no mentions of any bids.

      #2 - I click on bidding history and see no bids.

      #3 - I click on the actual auction and it says "no bids" and no mention of pending bids.

      #4 - Only when I click on the "0 Bids" link do I see I have a pending bid.

      If I didn't receive an email I would never click that many links to see if I have had a bid. And that is just my first auction since Sitepoint turned into flippa. I'd hate to be managing several as I do normally.

      Can we not have the old screen where you could see ALL your auctions with the number of comments and number of bids on the one page?

      I'm sure like me, that screen (The My Activity Link) was the one most sellers view to see changes on your auctions. Just one click and you can see everything happening.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Another comment: It seems to me that a lot of changes are supposed to be beneficial to buyers. However, your reduction of what you call "clutter" is not beneficial to buyers. Like I said, I am both and with the SP marketplace, all that "clutter" was valuable information that I constantly scanned and could easily pick out auctions that I was interested in. I felt like I had my finger on the Sitepoint pulse. I knew the selling trends, who was selling, what was selling best, what was selling quickly ...

    All this info actually benefited me both as a seller and as a buyer. It was info that was right there on the front page so I only had to refresh the front page to keep up with the marketplace. I could spot trends and capitalize on those trends by buying hot selling sites and building/selling hot selling sites. You've now reduced, clutter, reduced information and made it a real pain to get the same info that was available at a glance.

    People don't like to waste time or to spend time they don't have trying to find stuff. That is one reason why sites are not going to get the attention that they deserve now ... because you now have to waste time and dig for it. I haven't browsed the new marketplace because I don't have the time to open every auction to get the information that I became accustomed to getting at a glance.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    I'm not interested in public comments and delete all of them......
    I agree with this - in fact, it seems to me that 98% of the comments are just from "spoilers" and really would not be helpful to anyone else who was interested in the auction. I've had comments on my own auctions, of course, but I am also talking about comments on other peoples auctions which I have read.

    With these fake BIN's (Yes I've had my fair share too) what happens with the success fee? Are we invoiced for it as normal? If we list the site again due to the fraudelent bidder, does the success fee get removed? Do we have to pay for the auction again?
    This is a huge concern, the fee is really overwhelming for people who sell lower priced startup sites (a minimum of $10 so if you are selling in the $100 - $200 range....) To have to keep paying it over and over again would put quite a few out of business, I would think. But I do appreciate the half price on relists.

    Matt - I also would like to say that I, too, appreciate the fact that you are listening and trying to fix things.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ant West
    FLIPPA!!!!! Robbing TW*** Listed my site for sale - paid the EXCESSIVE fee,

    Then find out i can't log into my account - password wrong etc.. log into sitepoint fine!!

    How the hell can i log into my account to upload proofs - therfore site won't sell therefore theft of $19 - what a F****** disgrace!



    Sorry for the langauge but really hacked off about this site

    it's a horrible twitter looka like , looks like a badly changed wordpress classified theme!
    it's very very very very slow!! and i have fibre optic 50mbps + broadband!!

    A snail from my garden could have run marathon faster then the site loads!!

    grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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    • Profile picture of the author Arunabh Singh
      Originally Posted by Ant West View Post

      FLIPPA!!!!! Robbing TW*** Listed my site for sale - paid the EXCESSIVE fee,

      Then find out i can't log into my account - password wrong etc.. log into sitepoint fine!!

      How the hell can i log into my account to upload proofs - therfore site won't sell therefore theft of $19 - what a F****** disgrace!



      Sorry for the langauge but really hacked off about this site

      it's a horrible twitter looka like , looks like a badly changed wordpress classified theme!
      it's very very very very slow!! and i have fibre optic 50mbps + broadband!!

      A snail from my garden could have run marathon faster then the site loads!!

      grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
      In simple words they are just screwing the sellers.

      They have quite a few bugs now and I wonder if that will ruin the brand name of sitepoint.

      Try to contact support and let them know about your issues.

      Wait

      Do they even have support?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ant West
        Do they hell!!! i've sent 7 support tickets in last 2 day's not 1 has been responded!

        it's getting ridiculous!

        i keep seeing flippa people commenting about they have good reviews etc..

        i aint seen 1 F***** good comment about the site!




        Originally Posted by nunu View Post

        In simple words they are just screwing the sellers.

        They have quite a few bugs now and I wonder if that will ruin the brand name of sitepoint.

        Try to contact support and let them know about your issues.

        Wait

        Do they even have support?
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        • Profile picture of the author Arunabh Singh
          Originally Posted by Ant West View Post

          Do they hell!!! i've sent 7 support tickets in last 2 day's not 1 has been responded!

          it's getting ridiculous!

          i keep seeing flippa people commenting about they have good reviews etc..

          i aint seen 1 F***** good comment about the site!
          Now that you have already sent support tickets you cant do anything other than waiting.

          It seems like Flippa's No. of drawbacks increasing day by day.

          They are not responding to support tickets too.
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        • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
          Originally Posted by Ant West View Post

          Do they hell!!! i've sent 7 support tickets in last 2 day's not 1 has been responded!

          it's getting ridiculous!

          i keep seeing flippa people commenting about they have good reviews etc..
          I'm really sorry about this. We're answering all tickets within 12 hours, 24 hours max at the moment. Sending us 7 tickets over 2 days and not getting a response is ridiculous.

          Any chance you could let me know what email address the tickets were sent from so that I can track down their status in our helpdesk?

          Also, if you can, check your spam folder since there is a very small possibility that our replies are getting filtered by your email software.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arunabh Singh
    Originally Posted by KatherineAnneCarr View Post

    I hate it.. i think its gonna bomb... but thats me...
    I dont think you are the only one then.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Ant West
      Originally Posted by nunu View Post

      I dont think you are the only one then.....

      Yes same here! i really can't stand it! i thought twitter was bad enough!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kate Anderson
    Repost: I do have a question for Matt.. on SP over the last couple of months, a lot of us sellers experienced "fake BIN's" tying up our auctions for 30+ minutes at a time, repeatedly. (some people would simply click the BIN each time it renewed to keep it from appearing within the marketplace). I reported this to you guys awhile back, many times.. as did others without ever having received a response or resolution to the problem.

    Has this been corrected with the new marketplace? If someone clicks BIN, how long does your site go into "pending" mode and is it removed from being visible in the market during that time?
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    • Profile picture of the author Arunabh Singh
      Originally Posted by Kate Anderson View Post

      Read up a few posts when you get a chance.. a few of us have been waiting on an answer regarding the false BIN's etc - before the last few "disgruntled" folks popped in.. appreciate your attention, while we've got it =)

      Repost: I do have a question for Matt.. on SP over the last couple of months, a lot of us sellers experienced "fake BIN's" tying up our auctions for 30+ minutes at a time, repeatedly. (some people would simply click the BIN each time it renewed to keep it from appearing within the marketplace). I reported this to you guys awhile back.

      Has this been corrected with the new marketplace? If someone clicks BIN, how long does your site go into "pending" mode and is it removed from being visible in the market during that time?
      I am not disgruntled Kate and I rarely post negative things about anything in public forums. I am just disappointed at Flippa's performance. As I have stated earlier thats unlike sitepoint.

      I am pretty sure they will fix the bugs soon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
      Originally Posted by Kate Anderson View Post

      Repost: I do have a question for Matt.. on SP over the last couple of months, a lot of us sellers experienced "fake BIN's" tying up our auctions for 30+ minutes at a time, repeatedly. (some people would simply click the BIN each time it renewed to keep it from appearing within the marketplace). I reported this to you guys awhile back, many times.. as did others without ever having received a response or resolution to the problem.
      I'm not sure what your SitePoint username is, but Dave did respond in this thread:

      sitepoint[DOT]com/forums/showthread.php?p=4295918

      To quote Dave's response: "On Flippa listing will be visible for the entire time, and will show a status of "Pending" until we're informed that the payment actually goes through, in which case it will be "Won".

      As you say, this means that the auction keeps receiving exposure. Customer Support on Flippa will have the resources to look, on a user-by-user basis, at the PayPal BINs which have been put in, and ensure that no user is misusing the facility."
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  • Profile picture of the author Kate Anderson
    Nunu,

    I totally understand, believe me.. Disgruntled wasn't meant (in this situation) as a negative connotation, I totally see/feel/know how you're feeling.

    I'm just interested in having a few questions answered, (been waiting for this particular one to be addressed for oh, about 2-3 months), so forgive my impatience in bumping it up.. just didn't want him to overlook it again =)
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      Originally Posted by Kate Anderson View Post

      Nunu,

      I totally understand, believe me.. Disgruntled wasn't meant (in this situation) as a negative connotation, I totally see/feel/know how you're feeling.

      I'm just interested in having a few questions answered, (been waiting for this particular one to be addressed for oh, about 2-3 months), so forgive my impatience in bumping it up.. just didn't want him to overlook it again =)
      Its ok. It looks like they are taking some action on solving the issues. I was also unaware that matt was from sitepoint. I hope your questions will be answered.
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  • Profile picture of the author MHavoc
    I can appreciate that Matt is trying to be responsive to modifying Flippa in an attempt to appease some of issues, but the issue is that Flippa is an inherently broken concept and direction. All of these comments and suggestions are an attempt to get Flippa to even start to mimic the functionality that already existed in the old marketplace. I agree with all the comments that have already been stated here, but they've changed their business model and product with little or no regard to their user base, both buyer and seller. The old marketplace had it's issues, but it was a mature product that still had a lot of life left in it..... it could have easily been improved upon rather than dumped. It amazes me that they made such an un-sitepoint website. I don't want to work with them to try to get Flippa, over the next year and with all of its problems, to barely a shadow of what the old marketplace already had in place. Flippa looks like empire building with an attempt to develop new brands by spinning off their successful functions. I'm glad that it works for them and I can't wait for a good alternative to come online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Murdaugh
    Yeah, it's ridiculous...

    They're taking what was a GREAT concept, the old marketplace, and totally ruining it.

    This comment from Mark Harbottle (co-founder of SP) is disturbing...

    Thanks for all your positive feedback guys. We appreciate it. One thing to keep in mind...
    Our buyers aren't going anywhere. They are savvy business people. They don't care about the design of the site or the fact the logo sucks (the current logo is a placeholder BTW), they simply get on with the business of buying, and we've made it a lot easier for them to do that on flippa.com.

    Meanwhile while you all whine and complain about the fees, the design, etc. the smart sellers are listing their sites on flippa.com and they are attracting the majority of the buyer interest. They will also get the added benefit of the PR we're about to roll out.

    So, it's totally up to you! If you want to come across to flippa and sell your site in the professional marketplace we're creating for serious buyers, we welcome you with open arms. If not, please do go to digitalpoint. List your site for free and see if the old adage of "you get what you pay for" applies.
    There's a time to listen to your customers... And the fact that people don't like the new interface doesn't make calling your customers "whiners" and imply that "they aren't smart" because they're not happy with the new site a very good idea...

    Personally, I wouldn't complain at all if they had a reasonable fee increase on the old system.

    I'm not involved with anything on Sitepoint right now, but when you have customers experiencing REAL problems... Paying money for listings that aren't being shown, having unique content branded as not unique, these are big issues and the solution isn't to insult the people who pay your bills.

    The new concept is broken, it's inferior... They need to do the right thing, make Flippa.com a blog or something, and bring the old marketplace back.

    I don't see the logic in taking a service that so many people loved, turning into something that's essentially unusable, and then chastising your customers when they complain about it.

    I respect Matt coming on here and addressing concerns. But seriously guys, your customers are telling you what they want, you already have it, and instead of listening you're trying to force your users into a new system that's broken at best.

    It doesn't seem like a smart business plan to me... Then again, I don't really care, I have no problems taking my business elsewhere, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      Originally Posted by scottspfd82 View Post

      Yeah, it's ridiculous...

      They're taking what was a GREAT concept, the old marketplace, and totally ruining it.

      This comment from Mark Harbottle (co-founder of SP) is disturbing...



      There's a time to listen to your customers... And the fact that people don't like the new interface doesn't make calling your customers "whiners" and imply that "they aren't smart" because they're not happy with the new site a very good idea...

      Personally, I wouldn't complain at all if they had a reasonable fee increase on the old system.

      I'm not involved with anything on Sitepoint right now, but when you have customers experiencing REAL problems... Paying money for listings that aren't being shown, having unique content branded as not unique, these are big issues and the solution isn't to insult the people who pay your bills.

      The new concept is broken, it's inferior... They need to do the right thing, make Flippa.com a blog or something, and bring the old marketplace back.

      I don't see the logic in taking a service that so many people loved, turning into something that's essentially unusable, and then chastising your customers when they complain about it.

      I respect Matt coming on here and addressing concerns. But seriously guys, your customers are telling you what they want, you already have it, and instead of listening you're trying to force your users into a new system that's broken at best.

      It doesn't seem like a smart business plan to me... Then again, I don't really care, I have no problems taking my business elsewhere, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

      -Scott
      With Flippa in it's current state, I agree. Why not just keep everything the way it was, and if they wanted to increase fees, fine.

      Right now I've got a site listed on Flippa, and even with that, I still find it annoying to log in, and then do some clicking, clicking, clicking, and more clicking to get where I want to go. And the listings in their current format give me a headache. I'm not quite sure what it is, the larger font, the colors, or what...but it definitely makes me want to click away.

      Don't get me wrong, I've sold $50k plus worth of sites on sitepoint, so I'm rooting for something successful to come out of this for the buyers and sellers...I just feel like they are a long way away from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Hixson
      Originally Posted by scottspfd82 View Post

      Yeah, it's ridiculous...

      They're taking what was a GREAT concept, the old marketplace, and totally ruining it.

      This comment from Mark Harbottle (co-founder of SP) is disturbing...



      There's a time to listen to your customers... And the fact that people don't like the new interface doesn't make calling your customers "whiners" and imply that "they aren't smart" because they're not happy with the new site a very good idea...

      Personally, I wouldn't complain at all if they had a reasonable fee increase on the old system.

      I'm not involved with anything on Sitepoint right now, but when you have customers experiencing REAL problems... Paying money for listings that aren't being shown, having unique content branded as not unique, these are big issues and the solution isn't to insult the people who pay your bills.

      The new concept is broken, it's inferior... They need to do the right thing, make Flippa.com a blog or something, and bring the old marketplace back.

      I don't see the logic in taking a service that so many people loved, turning into something that's essentially unusable, and then chastising your customers when they complain about it.

      I respect Matt coming on here and addressing concerns. But seriously guys, your customers are telling you what they want, you already have it, and instead of listening you're trying to force your users into a new system that's broken at best.

      It doesn't seem like a smart business plan to me... Then again, I don't really care, I have no problems taking my business elsewhere, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

      -Scott
      Wow, interesting, not seen that - cheers for posting it.

      That really is a lesson in how not to give customer service - thanking the few who have given positive feedback and sticking your fingers in your ears about bad feedback, because obviously they are just whinging, no matter how many there are.

      Of course saying 'buyers are still coming' doesnt look to be strictly true if the level of recently bought websites on the site is correct

      I am not sure what he is trying to achieve here, other than to make his attitude look like he's saying 'we're the only game in town (digital point is not worth it), so like it or lump it'

      has he decided that sitepoint is now the new Ebay or Paypal?
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    • Profile picture of the author patricialin
      Originally Posted by scottspfd82 View Post

      Yeah, it's ridiculous...

      They're taking what was a GREAT concept, the old marketplace, and totally ruining it.

      This comment from Mark Harbottle (co-founder of SP) is disturbing...



      There's a time to listen to your customers... And the fact that people don't like the new interface doesn't make calling your customers "whiners" and imply that "they aren't smart" because they're not happy with the new site a very good idea...

      Personally, I wouldn't complain at all if they had a reasonable fee increase on the old system.

      I'm not involved with anything on Sitepoint right now, but when you have customers experiencing REAL problems... Paying money for listings that aren't being shown, having unique content branded as not unique, these are big issues and the solution isn't to insult the people who pay your bills.

      The new concept is broken, it's inferior... They need to do the right thing, make Flippa.com a blog or something, and bring the old marketplace back.

      I don't see the logic in taking a service that so many people loved, turning into something that's essentially unusable, and then chastising your customers when they complain about it.

      I respect Matt coming on here and addressing concerns. But seriously guys, your customers are telling you what they want, you already have it, and instead of listening you're trying to force your users into a new system that's broken at best.

      It doesn't seem like a smart business plan to me... Then again, I don't really care, I have no problems taking my business elsewhere, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

      -Scott
      Thanks for sharing about that man.. I do agree that Mark's comments are disturbing. I don't think that SP is handling this issue well at all. In fact, I think that his comment just serves to be an excuse to brush everyone aside.

      Just coming up with a brand new site that isn't 100% ready and launching it to thousands of people, well, don't blame us for making some noise here when things start to screw up.

      If the extra fees are justified with better support, a better site interface, improved features etc. (generally an awesome site), we won't be making as much noise as we are doing so, would we?
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard N Adams
    One thing that I would really like to see in a website auction site is more transparency and accountability for both buyers *and* sellers. The Sitepoint forums seem to be awash with sellers who have found that buyers (particularly those who BIN an auction) have disappeared into the ether.

    I was thinking about "real" auctions yesterday and in those cases you normally need to give all sorts of personal details before you bid. However that isn't really the case on Sitepoint/Flippa. The most we sellers can aim for is someone who has verified their email/phone number.

    But imagine how it would change things if you submitted your credit card details. The card was "preauthorized" before you placed a bid and then Sitepoint/Flippa could act as an intermediary.

    I know it's a lot to ask - this wouldn't happen tomorrow - but "cleaning up" the market place would be a great idea. And in that case, I wouldn't be so worried about Flippas new fee schedule.

    Any opinions?

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
      Originally Posted by Richard N Adams View Post

      One thing that I would really like to see in a website auction site is more transparency and accountability for both buyers *and* sellers. The Sitepoint forums seem to be awash with sellers who have found that buyers (particularly those who BIN an auction) have disappeared into the ether.

      But imagine how it would change things if you submitted your credit card details. The card was "preauthorized" before you placed a bid and then Sitepoint/Flippa could act as an intermediary.
      Yes, we can definitely verify the name & addresses of all bidders via CVS at a very low cost. This is the exact sort of things we'll be working on once we get past the launch hurdles...

      I'd love to hear others thoughts on this. Will bidders get scared away if we ask them to enter their credit card details?
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      • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
        Originally Posted by Kate Anderson View Post

        People could win your auction - pay it - chargeback via Paypal and then turn around and sell the SAME site on the marketplace to someone else.

        Competitors could BIN your auction repeatedly to keep it from appearing within the marketplace, just long enough for their site to sell.

        People could outright deceive customers with claims of original content that was plagiarized, etc etc etc - and our "report" tickets would go into some dark hole, where they'd pick and choose which ones to address, leaving the rest to rot.
        We've solved the BIN bidder problem, we've integrated prominent Copyscape links to help buyers better research what they are buying, and we've added full-time staff for support and dealing with reported auctions

        I agree that these are only very small steps in the right direction, there's lots more that we can and will do, including verifying stats via the Google Analytics API. Let me know what you think of Richard's idea in the post above.


        Originally Posted by newton View Post

        Sold a site on flippa today and have been invoiced twice for the success fee!

        I wonder what happened to the golden rule of testing products before letting your customers get hold of them :rolleyes:
        We ran a two week beta - obviously, more than a few things slipped through and I'm very sorry for that. It's inexcusable on our side. Have you already sent in a ticket to our support department?

        Originally Posted by Pattaya-Addict View Post

        i agree that flippa looks crap
        I think we'll launch a 99designs contest to re-design it
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        • Profile picture of the author Kate Anderson
          Originally Posted by Matt Mickiewicz View Post

          We've added full-time staff for support and dealing with reported auctions ..
          That's great to hear, really. I had received a few responses regarding the fraud I had to deal with in the past with indication it would be taken care of, and months later, these guys still continued to screw around in the marketplace, so if this full time staff does more than just respond but rather, acts/follows up, we'll all be good to go.

          I'm surprised that so many people focus on the design of the site as being an issue. Ebay isn't the nicest looking real estate online. For me, it's about functionality, prompt support and being (somewhat) protected... knowing that when I do contact you guys, something is done about the problem.

          Up until now, functionality for the most part, was just fine.. the support issues will hopefully clear up, and you can continue to tweak the marketplace based on the consistent feedback you're receiving (layout, the category problem we spoke about, etc).

          Flippa has obvious potential. I just think that maybe keeping a pulse on your community first, and taking baby steps with the transition might have eliminated a lot of these concerns..
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        • Profile picture of the author newton
          Originally Posted by Matt Mickiewicz View Post


          We ran a two week beta - obviously, more than a few things slipped through and I'm very sorry for that. It's inexcusable on our side. Have you already sent in a ticket to our support department?
          Hi Matt

          Yes I have a ticket in.

          Thanks for listening to feedback and acting on it. Obviously you have a LOT to act on but hopefully things can get back to as simple as they were.

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    I miss the old sitepoint market place...
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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    Well, I tried to be open minded about Flippa. But I'm over it. The old SitePoint was not perfect, but it was light years better than Flippa. I think I'm moderately versed in internet stuff , yet I can hardly find my way around. I loved how in the old SitePoint with just one glance I could get a real feel for what was happening in the various markets. Hopefully, SP will get the hint, kind of like Coca-Cola did when they tried New Coke and everyone rebelled.

    One more thing. It's not the fee structure that bugs me. I totally understand raising your prices and seeing if you can make more money. I'm all for that. I do that, too! It's the layout that I hate.

    Anyway, that's my two cents.

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Thanks for all your positive feedback guys. We appreciate it. One thing to keep in mind...
    Our buyers aren't going anywhere. They are savvy business people. They don't care about the design of the site or the fact the logo sucks (the current logo is a placeholder BTW), they simply get on with the business of buying, and we've made it a lot easier for them to do that on flippa.com.

    Meanwhile while you all whine and complain about the fees, the design, etc. the smart sellers are listing their sites on flippa.com and they are attracting the majority of the buyer interest. They will also get the added benefit of the PR we're about to roll out.

    So, it's totally up to you! If you want to come across to flippa and sell your site in the professional marketplace we're creating for serious buyers, we welcome you with open arms. If not, please do go to digitalpoint. List your site for free and see if the old adage of "you get what you pay for" applies.

    Or you can list your site at Sitepoint and pay through the nose to someone who thinks it's customer base are a bunch of whiners. I flipped sites before I discovered Sitepoint and there are at least two new sites being developed as we speak. Any company who does not listen to it's customers ... you know, the ones who actually pay you ... will not succeed for very long.

    If you think the buyers won't be finding new sites rather than sit around and click all day on Sitepoint, you're mistaken. I am a buyer and Flippa's format is a time waster. I'm sure I'm not the only buyer who finds the format too time consuming to browse any longer. It's not about your crappy logo, your crappy design, your crappy colors. That's just bad taste and we could live with the bad taste if the format had the same usability as the SP marketplace. It falls way short of that.

    As for the smart sellers listing ... not very many from what I can see. New sites would scroll off the front page in less than a day on SP ... I'm still seeing sites on the front page that were there yesterday, so you aren't kidding anyone about savvy sellers. Savvy sellers will be looking to get a lot more bang for their bucks, and Flippa does not deliver. That quote above is so arrogant, it's unbelievable that you have so little regard for your stinking, whining, paying customers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
      Thanks for all your positive feedback guys. We appreciate it. One thing to keep in mind...
      Our buyers aren't going anywhere. They are savvy business people. They don't care about the design of the site or the fact the logo sucks (the current logo is a placeholder BTW), they simply get on with the business of buying, and we've made it a lot easier for them to do that on flippa.com.

      Meanwhile while you all whine and complain about the fees, the design, etc. the smart sellers are listing their sites on flippa.com and they are attracting the majority of the buyer interest. They will also get the added benefit of the PR we're about to roll out.

      So, it's totally up to you! If you want to come across to flippa and sell your site in the professional marketplace we're creating for serious buyers, we welcome you with open arms. If not, please do go to digitalpoint. List your site for free and see if the old adage of "you get what you pay for" applies.
      This is just another way of them saying this: "You don't have to like it but we're not going to change. So all of you can kiss our asses".
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    • Profile picture of the author Ursa Anzur
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

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      Thanks for all your positive feedback guys. We appreciate it. One thing to keep in mind...
      Our buyers aren't going anywhere. They are savvy business people. They don't care about the design of the site or the fact the logo sucks (the current logo is a placeholder BTW), they simply get on with the business of buying, and we've made it a lot easier for them to do that on flippa.com.

      Meanwhile while you all whine and complain about the fees, the design, etc. the smart sellers are listing their sites on flippa.com and they are attracting the majority of the buyer interest. They will also get the added benefit of the PR we're about to roll out.

      So, it's totally up to you! If you want to come across to flippa and sell your site in the professional marketplace we're creating for serious buyers, we welcome you with open arms. If not, please do go to digitalpoint. List your site for free and see if the old adage of "you get what you pay for" applies.

      Or you can list your site at Sitepoint and pay through the nose to someone who thinks it's customer base are a bunch of whiners. I flipped sites before I discovered Sitepoint and there are at least two new sites being developed as we speak. Any company who does not listen to it's customers ... you know, the ones who actually pay you ... will not succeed for very long.

      If you think the buyers won't be finding new sites rather than sit around and click all day on Sitepoint, you're mistaken. I am a buyer and Flippa's format is a time waster. I'm sure I'm not the only buyer who finds the format too time consuming to browse any longer. It's not about your crappy logo, your crappy design, your crappy colors. That's just bad taste and we could live with the bad taste if the format had the same usability as the SP marketplace. It falls way short of that.

      As for the smart sellers listing ... not very many from what I can see. New sites would scroll off the front page in less than a day on SP ... I'm still seeing sites on the front page that were there yesterday, so you aren't kidding anyone about savvy sellers. Savvy sellers will be looking to get a lot more bang for their bucks, and Flippa does not deliver. That quote above is so arrogant, it's unbelievable that you have so little regard for your stinking, whining, paying customers.
      Exactly!!!

      I completely agree with everything sbucciarel said.

      And I'm glad there are other "savvy business people" out there who actually know how it's like to buy and sell websites. And they are taking action with buyers and sellers in mind, unlike Flippa and its people who think that they are irreplaceable.

      A friend of my is selling her first website. For the past few days all she does is trying to remove all the bugs from her listing.

      I have a website ready for sale, but I won't list it, just because there seem to be too many bugs and many, many other problems. I refuse to pay $20 for this.
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  • Profile picture of the author INFOSEEKER-2009
    Sitepoint flubbed on this one ...

    These guys started out as techies ....

    And now they want to be designers ....

    The easy technical database features are gone now ....

    It's like they're trying to integrate an iPhone with Twitter to create an auction site ...

    Hopefully, they'll realize that this format only works for media content: videos, etc ...

    "Oh Well"

    P.S. - Who Here is Going to Give us a New Auction Site ???
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by INFOSEEKER-2009 View Post

      Sitepoint flubbed on this one ...

      These guys started out as techies ....
      And now they want to be designers ....

      P.S. - Who Here is Going to Give us a New Auction Site ???
      One thing I've learned over years of site development is designers are not programmers and programmers are not designers. They make an excellent team and I've been on many such teams and have learned to work with many programmers .... and great programmers know that they are lousy designers and the other way around with few exceptions.

      As for new kids in town ... looks like me and LMC were posting this at the same time, but
      it's already being done and I'm a freaking impressed
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ease-read.html

      Check it out and tell these guys to at least put a Buy Me A Beer button on the site to help with development costs.

      Also, pm Kate Anderson ... another one in the works by someone who will know how to get one done.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
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    In regards to Flippa, I think they just needed to stick it out in beta for a bit longer, or still let us use the old sitepoint marketplace...

    When Google, Yahoo, or any of the big ones make drastic changes they usually leave the old one for a while until everything is set to move.

    Lets go back to marketing class:

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    • Profile picture of the author John Hixson
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      Well we have to accept Flippa now. A New era for website flippers
      If we listen to them we do

      Or we can continue to let them know whats wrong with it, as well as searching out viable alternatives.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      Well we have to accept Flippa now. A New era for website flippers
      Uh ... no we don't. Read the post above yours and you will see other emerging options and I'm telling you, LMC's site is some kind of fantastic. Features that I hadn't even thought of and the design feels just like home.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kate Anderson
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      Well we have to accept Flippa now. A New era for website flippers
      Absolutely disagree. The old SP marketplace didn't have a ton of bells and whistles, yet it worked very well (for the most part). It isn't difficult to create one similar to it.. it was the traffic and exposure that they had to offer that kept them at the top.

      I don't have a problem with the new site fees, I don't even have a problem with the design although the layout itself is horrible, but with what I have earned from SP personally, I would never complain about handing some of that back to them:

      IF ..

      1. They listened to our feedback, from both buyers and sellers.
      2. They resolved the problems from the previous marketplace that have trickled over into the new one.
      3. They were more responsive to complaints, problems, fraudulent accounts, auctions, etc.

      Before you jack up a price, you need to justify it. A fancy design doesn't cut it.

      What I have always had a problem with, goes way back to the old marketplace a year ago.. and it has never changed (it's also the #1 reason I stopped listing much on the old marketplace over the last couple of months).

      People could win your auction - pay it - chargeback via Paypal and then turn around and sell the SAME site on the marketplace to someone else.

      Competitors could BIN your auction repeatedly to keep it from appearing within the marketplace, just long enough for their site to sell.

      People could outright deceive customers with claims of original content that was plagiarized, etc etc etc - and our "report" tickets would go into some dark hole, where they'd pick and choose which ones to address, leaving the rest to rot.

      I had to weigh out whether it was worth it for me anymore. I have a list, I have a customer base.. did I really want to direct them to that?

      I am trying to give Flippa a chance, but I'm far too irritated at this point to do so. I'd rather have seen what was broken FIXED rather than simply CHANGED..

      /end rant..

      Whew!
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Kate Anderson View Post

        What I have always had a problem with, goes way back to the old marketplace a year ago.. and it has never changed (it's also the #1 reason I stopped listing much on the old marketplace over the last couple of months).

        People could win your auction - pay it - chargeback via Paypal and then turn around and sell the SAME site on the marketplace to someone else.

        Competitors could BIN your auction repeatedly to keep it from appearing within the marketplace, just long enough for their site to sell.

        People could outright deceive customers with claims of original content that was plagiarized, etc etc etc - and our "report" tickets would go into some dark hole, where they'd pick and choose which ones to address, leaving the rest to rot.
        All good points. It seems to me that Sitepoint is trying to cater to buyers only and forget about the whiners who pay their bills.

        I had to add onto all of my auctions at the end that I would hold the domain name for 46 days (1 day longer than Paypal allows for disputes) for buyers that did not have 100% feedback from numerous transactions to prevent the Paypal dispute fraud from happening.

        In addition, the comment thing ... many of those little Sitepoint auction spoilers that leave negative comments all over Sitepoint are actually just other sellers who try to degrade your auction so that it won't sell. That, along with the fake BINs is just an effort to eliminate their competition.

        Flippa ... more bugs. I just tried to close one of my auctions early ... twice now and both times it went back live. Sent a support ticket.

        Also, when I open my auctions up, nowhere do I see whether or not reserve has been met.
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        • Profile picture of the author newton
          Sold a site on flippa today and have been invoiced twice for the success fee!

          I wonder what happened to the golden rule of testing products before letting your customers get hold of them :rolleyes:

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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I've only got one word to say ... Twitter
    lol ... ok maybe a couple of words to say. Twitter the new site and Twitter Kate Anderson's site when it is live. My guess is that they will both be a smashing success. I'll be doing a blog post shortly about both.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Wow Newton...

    That really blows...

    I don't really understand the success fee. With a site broker background, I use to charge my clients for a success fee, but did not charge to list their site, that was the package.

    This works well. It says, we are confident in our marketplace that you will sell the site, and this is why we take a fee.

    Taking listing fees, fee here, fee there, and a success fee is just becoming crazy, unless it is there goal to only sell high-level websites that are going to sell four figures or so.

    If this is there goal, so be it.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    As an aside, I just listed two sites on LMC's site and it's been a couple of hours and I already have pms on both of them requesting more info and one is very interested. That's more activity than I've had from Flippa ... since I've had no activity from Flippa.
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    As an aside, I just listed two sites on LMC's site and it's been a couple of hours and I already have pms on both of them requesting more info and one is very interested. That's more activity than I've had from Flippa ... since I've had no activity from Flippa.
    Nice, I have a couple I'm gonna put up on LMC's site later today or tomorrow - there will probably be more new listings on that site than on Flippa!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Thanks Suzanne, I'm glad your seeing good results, can't complain about that. We are doing what we can to help promote each individual listing by sending an email to past buyers of our own sites.

    Of course eventually we will need more buyers, so that is where we are headed over the next month.

    Will and cashcow look forward to your contributions, let me know if you need help with anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    I had a quick look round your site this morning, LMC. It's looking good. I have no plans to list anything for the next three or four weeks, but it's likely I'll give your site a try when I do. Good luck with it
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Thanks ... the couple of questions I had were answered very promptly and I continue to get bids and pms on sites that have literally languished on Sitepoint. It's exciting to see response from my auctions again and I am stumbling, blogging, bookmarking, tweeting and otherwise promoting your site. To your success ...

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author red172
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    I think the 5% is a bit much. Where did all this greed come from? lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Mc Donald
      i agree that flippa looks crap

      looks like it was designed by a 5 year old
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Just put one up on LMC's site - Kudos to LMC and your team for designing a great site with lots of cool features. Easy to use.

    Oh, and my listing went smoothly with NO BUGS.

    But the best part ..... I already have a bid after like only 10 minutes of it being listed!

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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      Just put one up on LMC's site - Kudos to LMC and your team for designing a great site with lots of cool features. Easy to use.

      Oh, and my listing went smoothly with NO BUGS.

      But the best part ..... I already have a bid after like only 10 minutes of it being listed!

      Lee
      Yeah ... me too. I have all my auctions there now and I have bids on several and have been getting pms like crazy. I can't believe with just a day start-up, I'm getting so much interest. No glitches, no bugs. I'm loving this site.

      Another Bug Flippa: Just noticed that all my auctions that were on Flippa had that they were not unique, even though I've got numerous sites that had been listed as 100% unique.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Wow this is really encouraging to hear about people's good experiences so far on SiteDeal. Can't wait to get a site up there and start selling again, yay!

    Kate, I'm also really looking forward to your marketplace as well. I think both can run very successfully.

    The success so far makes me think what I've suspected for a while might be true. It's not just the 'economy' that's been the reason sales dropped on Sitepoint. It was other issues too that are local to Sitepoint.

    My guess is that there are plenty of people who want to buy and sell sites, now we can all come back out to play
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Kezz View Post

      Wow this is really encouraging to hear about people's good experiences so far on SiteDeal. Can't wait to get a site up there and start selling again, yay!

      Kate, I'm also really looking forward to your marketplace as well. I think both can run very successfully.

      The success so far makes me think what I've suspected for a while might be true. It's not just the 'economy' that's been the reason sales dropped on Sitepoint. It was other issues too that are local to Sitepoint.

      My guess is that there are plenty of people who want to buy and sell sites, now we can all come back out to play

      This was a big surprise for me to find out. Unless the last couple of months, nearly all of my auctions sold on Sitepoint within days, sometimes just hours. I have a high rate of won auctions. Then all of a sudden, BOOM ... nothing but a bunch of cheesy pm offers for quality sites ... and not many of those either. I figured it was the economy, but I'm wondering now.

      I created listings on SiteDeal.org last night and very quickly got pms (about 10) regarding my sites. Two of the sites have been relisted on Sitepoint with no activity, so listing these sites is beginning to cost me money. They are really nice quality sites, custom design and not overpriced. I now have one guy saying that he is going to contact his business partner and is interested in a package deal on all of my listings. So now we go from no activity on Sitepoint, to buyers who are interested in everything I've got. And this on a site that is only 2 days old today. I'm excited about this marketplace and equally excited about Kate's upcoming marketplace.

      The co-founder of Sitepoint has made a remark in the Sitepoint forum essentially calling his paying customers whiners and complainers and making reference to savvy buyers and sellers. Sitepoint had plenty of quality sellers and a handful of quality buyers, but let me tell you my experience with the average Sitepoint savvy buyer.

      I sold a minisite recently. Installed it on the buyer's host and asked him for the Clickbank or Paypal code to code the buy button. Didn't get any response back for weeks and then he pops back in and asks me to code the order button. Again, I requested the code and went over what he needed to do to get the code. He disappears again for several weeks. Pops back in and sends a message indicating he is very unhappy because I sold him an incomplete site with no code on the buy button. I patiently once again try to get him to take some action and get the code. Instead, he leaves bad feedback saying that I am difficult to work with and then files a Paypal dispute saying I sold him an incomplete site and won't communicate. I've done everything I can to try to get him to give me the code for the button, but this savvy buyer doesn't have a clue why I can't code the button for him. He didn't win the Paypal dispute but I now have 98% feedback rating because of Mr. Clueless when I maintained 100% previously.

      Another savvy buyer recently pm'd me to tell me her Adsense on the site is not working. Of course I installed the site and even went into her Adsense acct because she did not know how to do it and created the Adsense for her. What she means by not working is she hasn't made any money. Same with the ebook. She keeps looking in her Paypal acct for all the money she's made from the ebook .... this savvy buyer doesn't seem to realize that now that she has purchased a site, she will need to promote it and get targeted traffic in order to make sales.

      The above examples are the norm for my buyers on Sitepoint. They are inexperienced and require a great deal of time-consuming hand holding, which I have always given them to the best of my ability but there are some that will never be successful online because they simply don't have what it takes ... they won't do independent research and they seem entirely clueless that now that they have a site, it's up to them to make a success of it.

      Read post #141, the Sandy Hands post. Brilliant post coming from what I consider a savvy buyer. Flippa has alienated a lot of paying customers with that unprofessional comment made by the co-founder and with all of the changes in general.

      The post goes into exactly what I've said as a buyer myself ... Flippa's overall usability has degraded to the point where it is too time consuming to browse the listings. The site runs slow and by removing what they call "clutter", they have removed all the information that people are searching for.

      Flippa's support is lacking in spite of being told that there are more people to handle support. I closed 4 or 5 listings last night and then got an automated email saying that they were now live again. It appears that they automatically go into Make an Offer mode, whether you want them to or not. I sent an email to support for each one I closed and just got a response back ... only one response ... it said, duplicate post ... nothing more. Of course, it was not a duplicate post. It was one of four I sent for each site I tried to close.

      In addition, still unresolved is the fact that sites that I have that are custom designed are listed as NOT UNIQUE. Already posted about it and already sent one support ticket and still I have sites listed as NOT UNIQUE. So does it matter to me that they have more support people on staff to mishandle support?

      It is perplexing to say the least, that people capable of building a brilliant and successful marketplace seem to be equally capable of destroying it. Of all the things wrong with Flippa, the one thing that I find inexcusable is a co-founder calling paying customers whiners and complainers when they express their honest opinions of the new marketplace. I don't like to be insulted when I'm paying someone, and that Mr. Co-Founder is what you call a savvy buyer.

      I honestly feel badly for the programmers who put in a lot of work and are now in forums stamping out fires, only to have a co-founder insult the customers and create more fires to stamp out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
    I want to be able to see the entire first line of the title.
    This will be getting fixed.

    I appreciate that you seem to be trying to handle complaints and fix things that really bug people. It may make a difference ... we'll see. The fact is ... I'm a results oriented person and if I don't get results for my money, I'll spend it elsewhere, so only time will tell, but I did want to say I appreciate you listening to customers.
    Thanks for your ongoing feedback.

    Originally Posted by Josh Kulp View Post

    I agree with this 100%. There are people out there who post questions just for the heck of it, they aren't really interested at all, time wasters.

    And there are others who look for those posting questions in your auction, just so they can try to sell their product behind your back, a sabotage of sorts.

    And you have others fishing for information, just so they can try to create a similar site without needing to actually purchase yours. .
    This is a very tough one, and I always feel caught in the middle. I hate when paying customers get abused, but I also can't tell you the number of times that those public questions helped us spot fraud attempts and saved other buyers thousands of dollars.

    I CAN tell you what we've done on Flippa though: To post a comment, you now have to verify a phone number. It's one extra hurdle for someone looking to sign up with a yahoo.com email address, creating an account, only to bash your auction.

    Please report abusive commenters to us, so that we can deal with them.

    There's also a great great mini-discussion about this issue on marketplace . uservoice . com that covers both sides of the comment deletion issue.

    Originally Posted by newton View Post

    With these fake BIN's (Yes I've had my fair share too) what happens with the success fee?
    You're not going to get invoiced for fake PayPal BINs. We're now capturing more data about BIN bidding, we're keeping auctions open & active even after someone clicks the PayPal BIN link - up to and until the point that they submit payment.

    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

    However, your reduction of what you call "clutter" is not beneficial to buyers. All this info actually benefited me both as a seller and as a buyer. It was info that was right there on the front page so I only had to refresh the front page to keep up with the marketplace. I could spot trends and capitalize on those trends by buying hot selling sites and building/selling hot selling sites. You've now reduced, clutter, reduced information and made it a real pain to get the same info that was available at a glance.
    I agree. We oversimplified, and we're backpedaling to bring back the critical pieces of data that you're accustomed to such as the seller name & comment count. I do hope though that you find the brand new "Recently Sold" Tab helpful in spotting trends.

    Originally Posted by yommys01 View Post

    No site is selling on the new market place. Hilarious, disgusting and annoying.
    This is not true. Sites are selling through.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
    Originally Posted by newton View Post

    I'm sure like me, that screen (The My Activity Link) was the one most sellers view to see changes on your auctions. Just one click and you can see everything happening.

    Tony
    Thanks for the very thorough and articulate feedback.

    This is the exact sort of feedback I wish we had during our two week beta period. I've passed it onto the team - I agree 100% that we REALLY need to improve the visibility of pending bids. I've passed your entire comment onto our CTO and Mark, my business partner and co-founder.

    BTW is it me or the Advanced Search feature is really missing.
    Try the custom filters button instead. It's much, much more thorough than what we had before, and you can save your favourite searches and even receive automatic email notifications when auctions matching your criteria get listed.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kate Anderson
    I think asking potential bidders to verify themselves via credit card is a terrible idea. I think the harder we make it for buyers to purchase our listings, the worse off we are.

    That being said, we need active moderation, responsive support and less resistance in removing accounts involved in fraudulent activity, (of any kind, whether it is deliberately BIN'ing without paying, repeatedly listing content as unique when it isn't, and so on). I'd be more than willing to pay the current fees if the support improved.

    For months, I watched as my forum members trickled in complaining about being ripped off for thousands of dollars from the SAME Sitepoint user that screwed me over back in November (of which I reported to Nonie many times with a list of his usernames). He was permitted to continue stealing from us (literally.. he'd BIN our auctions, pay with Paypal, create a chargeback and RELIST them for sale on SP)..

    It was disgusting to see that months later, this person still retained their account, still actively posted within the marketplace and yet nothing was done (and this is just one example).

    Rather than even consider running buyers through additional hoops, just get the team together, and make a point of being extremely active in regards to support and in overall moderation of the marketplace.

    You might be surprised how that alone, could eliminate 99% of this nonsense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sandy Hands
    I joined this forum today to speak specifically about Flippa.

    I was a net purchaser of websites and domains on the old Sitepoint Marketplace. I have no clue as to how much I've invested, but it is significant in dollar and number of transactions.

    The principal reasons I used Sitepoint over and above the other possible market places can be summarized as:
    - volume of new products and services;
    - range of products and services; and
    - range of quality (sometimes new is good, sometimes old is better - depends on the project).

    Yes, there are always variables like rogue sellers and dead-beat buyers - no different than life in main street. Buyer beware, Seller be careful.

    Whilst it is true every market has a buyer at a price, the value of a busy transaction marketplace is the standardization or normalization of prices over time. In other words expectations are built in busy and efficient markets (not in the back alleys).

    The reduction in volume at Flippa is obvious (listings particularly - or perhaps they are there and too hard to find - either way - same result) . Even if this reduction is not translated to a loss in revenue for Sitepoint, it will eventually. Why? Markets are emotionally driven - never forget that. People don't buy products they buy benefits, they "buy in" to the story.

    When you fundamentally interrupt your nerve center, you are building a dam of resentment. I am a firm believer there are no sacred cows in business and culling winning product lines can be a brilliant strategy - if you have a better one to replace them with.

    The problem is not Flippa per se. The concept of decentralizing your activities for a bigger gain down the road is a journey many entrepreneurs have enjoyed. The real problem is that you have taken a growing product that was gaining market share, credibility, respect and leadership; and belted it over the head with a baseball bat.

    The bottom line is that the idea may have been sound in the Boardroom, but the execution and implementation has been absolutely woeful.

    You could say that everyone hates change and that once things settle down, it will be alright...... That's corporate bullshit as far as the nose can smell. I've seen it a hundred times if any at all. Someone floats an idea over a long lunch, everyone convinces themselves they're 10 feet tall and bullet proof. Someone raises a proposal and gets approval to spend a small fortune on development, and then hands over to the operations team to pick up the pieces and fight fires for the next millennium or until someone in the Board stands up and recognizes they made a mistake (oh - of course, that rarely happens because the egos have to walk sideways to get into the Boardroom in the first place).

    Ok, that was a little tongue in cheek and below the belt, but I'm not sure you really are listening. I have seen comments posted in the last two days, by people whom I respect for their capability and service offering. They are the 100% brigade. People you would do business with no matter what they were selling. Sitepoint marketplace attracted that caliber of person........... Listen very carefully Matt, when I say this....... You can't buy that sort of credibility........ You earn it.

    It takes years to build credibility and moments to destroy it.

    You now have a patient on life support and you are the surgeon, be very careful where the next cut goes, it could be fatal.

    Lets look at the obvious. At least 100 maybe more of highly active Sitepoint marketplace traders are out talking Flippa down or looking for alternatives, such as LMC and siteFlippa (I guess the pun was intended). There will be many more competitors as a result of Sitepoint lowering the competitive barrier.

    In many ways, you have personally done me a favor. Instead of spending 2 hours a day on Sitepoint Marketplace, I'm investing in other activities. Yes, I have flicked through Flippa, but I've also chased down other alternatives, including heading back to previous market places that I gave up to focus primarily on Sitepoint because of the people I knew I could trust.

    You say, but those people are still there? I say, perhaps, but I know a few less are showing up each day and instead of an efficient and fluid marketplace we have a quasi listing board that is on the operating table.

    Do yourself a favor and run a sql query match against frequent member logins and see how the trend has changed. I'm sure you have done that already, otherwise you would not be in such a defensive mode.

    I'm not begging for the old market or ways - I don't care that much about it. I am writing this rather long (apologies) note, because it reflected what I personally felt and also what I was hearing from others. Having invested so much into Sitepoint marketplace, I felt it was important to at least let you hear feedback which you can refer back to and either laugh at when Flippa is a roaring success, or lament over when your marketplace brand loses market share. Either way, you will know that the decisions you make going forward were not in a vacuum or based on a lack of feedback.

    In conclusion, no sermon on issues, would be complete without a solution or without some creative suggestions.

    Specifically: What I like about the old marketplace is the ease of seeing every listing on the front page. I can quickly scour the features to the left if I need to and navigate to targeted areas with a click. The more on the front page and less I have to click away, the better.

    What I don't like about Flippa. I don't care if someone paid you more money to be on the front page - if their listing is worth looking at, I'll find it. If you have anything on the front page it should be governed by views or votes by users (digs if you want to call it that). Even then I would still prefer to see every auction on the front and navigate away from there at my choosing - not yours.

    Your design may win over designers and presentations in the Boardroom or at management meetings, but it is wasting my real estate. If I wanted more blue, I'd head down the beach. Make no mistake, I'm at your site to work, listen, learn and get on with it - period. I don't want the B.S. the fancy pants logo or the bulby tabs. I steer away from sites like that every single day. I like seeing the featured ads against the regular listings - I'm a big boy, I'll work out which is good and which is crap.

    I don't want to click on a Buy/Sell a Website button bigger than my wallet. Why else would I be there. You're own self promotion says #1 marketplace for buying and selling websites.................. time is money, efficiency at all cost. Simplicity is not only about how little you have, but on how little you need to get the most out of a given resource with crystal clear clarity.

    In hindsight (doh!), it would have been 100000% more successful had you shipped the old marketplace to the domain flippa and then progressed from there. Presently you are having an each way bet (or expensive split test) against a hybrid marketplace that does its best to confuse what ordinarily are knowledgeable internet users.

    Good luck, I wish I could say I had the patience to spend anymore time on Flippa, but there are more important things in life (well to me anyway).

    Kind regards

    Sam
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
      Originally Posted by Sandy Hands View Post

      The reduction in volume at Flippa is obvious (listings particularly - or perhaps they are there and too hard to find - either way - same result) . Even if this reduction is not translated to a loss in revenue for Sitepoint, it will eventually. Why? Markets are emotionally driven - never forget that. People don't buy products they buy benefits, they "buy in" to the story.
      The volume of listings is very healthy... Click on the "Buy Websites" link to view everything that's getting listed.

      The homepage of Flippa defaults to the "Featured" listings tab - which is an upgrade that people have paid for and only shows a handful of new listings per day.


      I'm not begging for the old market or ways - I don't care that much about it. I am writing this rather long (apologies) note, because it reflected what I personally felt and also what I was hearing from others. Having invested so much into Sitepoint marketplace, I felt it was important to at least let you hear feedback which you can refer back to and either laugh at when Flippa is a roaring success, or lament over when your marketplace brand loses market share. Either way, you will know that the decisions you make going forward were not in a vacuum or based on a lack of feedback.

      In conclusion, no sermon on issues, would be complete without a solution or without some creative suggestions.
      Definitely appreciate you signing up here and posting your comments.

      If you get a chance, please read the latest blog post on Flippa
      flippadotcom[dot]wordpress[dot]com . We just reduced the minimum success fee to $5 to better accommodate turnkey sellers, and we're looking for your feedback on a flat-listing fee for high-value websites.

      Specifically: What I like about the old marketplace is the ease of seeing every listing on the front page. I can quickly scour the features to the left if I need to and navigate to targeted areas with a click. The more on the front page and less I have to click away, the better.
      I agree 100%. The splash page isn't working. We're going to re-design. In the meantime, and as a stop-gap measure, I recommend that you bookmark the flippa.com/buy-websites page which is much closer to what we used to have.


      In hindsight (doh!), it would have been 100000% more successful had you shipped the old marketplace to the domain flippa and then progressed from there.
      Yes, you're no doubt right. It should have been more incremental.

      Thanks for your valuable time and for caring. Happy to continue chatting via email (matt @ sitepoint ) or phone: 604 716 4638 (Vancouver, Canada).
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  • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
    Why bother to 'remove clutter' if you're going to fill the whole front page above the fold with header? Strange.

    In a way, I'm grateful for the whole 'flippa' thing. As a result, we've got more places to list than we had before, and a couple of them really are looking quite promising. I still hope flippa turns out to be one of them, but if we're going to be called whiners and complainers for pointing out it's flaws, then I can't see it making the grade any time soon, and I can't see it being missed by many if it doesn't.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
      Originally Posted by Diana Lane View Post

      Why bother to 'remove clutter' if you're going to fill the whole front page above the fold with header? Strange.
      Hi Diana,

      The idea was that buyers would be bookmarking the "Buy Websites" page, rather than the homepage.

      Obviously, that's now how people prefer to use Flippa, so per our blog post last night we're going to be re-designing. We've already added in back some of the critical pieces of data, such as the comment count on auctions.

      Keen to hear your feedback on the "stats" icon next to each listing title as well. Is that helpful? Anything else we should add in there?
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      • Profile picture of the author Diana Lane
        Originally Posted by Matt Mickiewicz View Post

        Hi Diana,

        The idea was that buyers would be bookmarking the "Buy Websites" page, rather than the homepage.

        Obviously, that's now how people prefer to use Flippa, so per our blog post last night we're going to be re-designing. We've already added in back some of the critical pieces of data, such as the comment count on auctions.

        Keen to hear your feedback on the "stats" icon next to each listing title as well. Is that helpful? Anything else we should add in there?
        It is helpful, I think. There actually was something else, but it's gone right out of my head (it's half past midnight on Friday here, and I may be slightly worse for alcohol...). If I think of it, I'll let you know - it might even have been something you've fixed already. Thanks for listening to us, it's appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Biggy Fat
    Here's another bug I just witnessed: I was browsing through some sellers' individual listings and some of them have bids of exactly $2,147,483,647. I highly doubt buyers are bidding THAT high haha.

    You know, this brings to mind one thing: If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT. Like I said in a previous post, the moral of this story is this: Change isn't always good.

    Then the co-founder of Sitepoint defends the whole Flippa decision and calls us whiners and complainers. The whiners and complainers that have been investing in Sitepoint for years. Basically he was telling us that we can kiss his ass and that we're not going to change and we can't do anything about it. You'll have to excuse the harshness but that fool needs a swift slap in the face RIGHT NOW.

    WHAT WERE YALL THINKING?!
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    We just reduced the minimum success fee to $5 to better accommodate turnkey sellers
    Thank you.

    I have to say, now that I have played around with it a bit, the new site does have some nice features. Seems easier to search for what I look at at least and I really like the recently sold tab. I still hate the design though - sorry. I haven't tried listing anything yet though so can't say whether I like the new interface there or not.

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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
      Originally Posted by cashcow View Post

      TI have to say, now that I have played around with it a bit, the new site does have some nice features. Seems easier to search for what I look at at least and I really like the recently sold tab. I still hate the design though - sorry. I haven't tried listing anything yet though so can't say whether I like the new interface there or not.
      Thanks for the kind words Lee.

      I agree, there's definitely room to improve the design. The blue is definitely a bit overwhelming, and the splash page isn't working. We're moving quickly to address the issues.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Sam, that post was magic. You had me cracking up!

    sbucciarel I just checked out your store on SiteDeal.org and it looks great! That's such an awesome feature and I'm really looking forward to making use of it. A dedicated "ebay store" type location to be able to focus on is just perfect. How is the store going for you so far, if you don't mind me asking?

    I hear ya on the savvy buyers call, which is a big part of why I'm excited about both LMC's and Kate's marketplaces. Both of these professionals have an established base of clients who are truly savvy buyers. Both of them understand from their own personal experience what it is to build and sell sites and what is involved in every step, as well as what is involved in purchasing sites as investments. I couldn't think of two better people to launch new marketplaces and I'm keen to do whatever I can to help them see success.

    To Matt, I have one suggestion from a seller's perspective that I think would be a great addition to the marketplace. I'd like to see the ability to report a non-paying bidder after a reasonable duration of time, and that buyer should then not be able to bid on other people's auctions until the transaction in question has been resolved. I had multiple experiences where an individual placed bids on my auctions with no intention to buy, and then even after my reporting them, continued on deliberately ruining other people's auctions as well. There should be a function whereby a fraudulent bidder, very often a seller trying to eliminate competition, is automatically prevented from running around sabotaging listings.

    Perhaps there could be an additional status flag on listings, such as "Paid" or "Complete" that an auction can be switched to when a transaction is finalized. You then have a piece of data you can use against buyer names to keep track of who the non payers are. Also, people who bid on the auction but didn't win it can see if an item they wished to procure is actually still available, and they would then know they may still be able to get the item at the amount they bid if the winner fails to complete the transaction.

    I would also like to see an approval process on site listings that checks for violations of IP and TOS, to the extent that is reasonably possible, before an auction goes live. Even if I had to wait a little longer for my sites to be available for sale, I would think the extra protection and reassurance offered to both buyers and sellers would absolutely be worth it.

    Yes, I understand that this would require extra time and administrative attention from your staff, but given that you are increasing fees for each individual listing, surely some of that additional revenue can go towards providing an improved process on each individual listing? If I felt that the additional fees were actually paying for something that gave me benefit, I would have no problem whatsoever in paying them.

    Fraud is such a huge problem on both sides of the coin, and I really do think it has had something to do with the decline in the marketplace, over and above any economic downturn. My number one piece of feedback as a seller is that you should take that extra fee you'll have on each listing and put it towards some preventative moderation of the marketplace.

    The result would be a stronger marketplace overall, which will result in higher success fees for you, which people won't have a problem with if they are buying and selling a higher quality of site due to your vigilant administration. Then, you still end up with more revenue over all by raising the quality level of the marketplace and hence the amounts that sites are selling for, and nobody feels jibbed by the extra listing fee, because you are doing something extra to earn it.

    Right now, people are upset because they feel they are being charged extra for no reason. Give everyone something in return for the extra fee, like extra protection, and we'll all be happy.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      [QUOTE=Kezz;919703]Sam, that post was magic. You had me cracking up!

      sbucciarel I just checked out your store on SiteDeal.org and it looks great! That's such an awesome feature and I'm really looking forward to making use of it. A dedicated "ebay store" type location to be able to focus on is just perfect. How is the store going for you so far, if you don't mind me asking?

      According to my tracking code, I have one sale since I launched the store yesterday. It's an awesome feature. Not only can you sell sites, but domains would be a good listing as well.

      I hear ya on the savvy buyers call, which is a big part of why I'm excited about both LMC's and Kate's marketplaces. Both of these professionals have an established base of clients who are truly savvy buyers. Both of them understand from their own personal experience what it is to build and sell sites and what is involved in every step, as well as what is involved in purchasing sites as investments. I couldn't think of two better people to launch new marketplaces and I'm keen to do whatever I can to help them see success.

      Yes ... it's exciting. I would like to thank Flippa for that. By creating a marketplace that is so unusable and then trying to charge us through the nose for a marketplace that we didn't want and are not happy with, they have created a whole new list of places to get exposure, and like you said, the people creating these sites are both responsive to their market and savvy buyers and sellers themselves and are connected to savvy buyers. Did you see this: Sell Your Site On Warrior Forum at the top of this forum? This is outstanding ... There's LMC, which is a fantastic site, Kate's site coming up and now the Warrior forum. I recommend that everybody who is unhappy with the current situation, support these sites ... blog about them, Twitter and bookmark them, as well as get your listings in.

      To Matt, I have one suggestion from a seller's perspective that I think would be a great addition to the marketplace. I'd like to see the ability to report a non-paying bidder after a reasonable duration of time, and that buyer should then not be able to bid on other people's auctions until the transaction in question has been resolved. I had multiple experiences where an individual placed bids on my auctions with no intention to buy, and then even after my reporting them, continued on deliberately ruining other people's auctions as well. There should be a function whereby a fraudulent bidder, very often a seller trying to eliminate competition, is automatically prevented from running around sabotaging listings.

      Perhaps there could be an additional status flag on listings, such as "Paid" or "Complete" that an auction can be switched to when a transaction is finalized. You then have a piece of data you can use against buyer names to keep track of who the non payers are. Also, people who bid on the auction but didn't win it can see if an item they wished to procure is actually still available, and they would then know they may still be able to get the item at the amount they bid if the winner fails to complete the transaction.

      I would also like to see an approval process on site listings that checks for violations of IP and TOS, to the extent that is reasonably possible, before an auction goes live. Even if I had to wait a little longer for my sites to be available for sale, I would think the extra protection and reassurance offered to both buyers and sellers would absolutely be worth it.

      Yes, I understand that this would require extra time and administrative attention from your staff, but given that you are increasing fees for each individual listing, surely some of that additional revenue can go towards providing an improved process on each individual listing? If I felt that the additional fees were actually paying for something that gave me benefit, I would have no problem whatsoever in paying them.

      Fraud is such a huge problem on both sides of the coin, and I really do think it has had something to do with the decline in the marketplace, over and above any economic downturn. My number one piece of feedback as a seller is that you should take that extra fee you'll have on each listing and put it towards some preventative moderation of the marketplace.

      The result would be a stronger marketplace overall, which will result in higher success fees for you, which people won't have a problem with if they are buying and selling a higher quality of site due to your vigilant administration. Then, you still end up with more revenue over all by raising the quality level of the marketplace and hence the amounts that sites are selling for, and nobody feels jibbed by the extra listing fee, because you are doing something extra to earn it.

      Right now, people are upset because they feel they are being charged extra for no reason. Give everyone something in return for the extra fee, like extra protection, and we'll all be happy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Mc Donald
        suzanne can you post a link to your store on sitedeal please?
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Pattaya-Addict View Post

          suzanne can you post a link to your store on sitedeal please?
          Just go to sitedeal.org and in the nav bar click on Stores. Last night so far, there was just me and one guy so I shouldn't be hard to find. I'm listing all my $37 Package Deals in the store, but you can list all of your sites in the store if you want to. When you create a listing, just choose Both if you want a site to be in the auction and in the store.

          These sites are linked to my Download Guard and payment is made directly to my Paypal acct via Download Guard. In order to do that, you just choose one of the credit cards for offline processing and then put your order button in the auction. Of course, first you have to open your store and then start listing in it.

          This is such a fantastic feature. Still have more listing to do today.

          As for the savvy buyer thing on Flippa. I closed all my auctions because I am listing elsewhere and didn't want to violate Flippa Tos. They don't close though ... they get listed as Make Me An Offer. I've now rejected two offers ... $65 for a network of 4 Tattoo sites that get 21,000 visitors per month and make money through Clickbank commissions. The other offer was equallty ridiculous.
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
      Originally Posted by Kezz View Post

      To Matt, I have one suggestion from a seller's perspective that I think would be a great addition to the marketplace. I'd like to see the ability to report a non-paying bidder after a reasonable duration of time, and that buyer should then not be able to bid on other people's auctions until the transaction in question has been resolved. I had multiple experiences where an individual placed bids on my auctions with no intention to buy, and then even after my reporting them, continued on deliberately ruining other people's auctions as well. There should be a function whereby a fraudulent bidder, very often a seller trying to eliminate competition, is automatically prevented from running around sabotaging listings.
      Do you think the current feedback system is inadequate for flagging non-payment & fraudulent bids?

      I would also like to see an approval process on site listings that checks for violations of IP and TOS, to the extent that is reasonably possible, before an auction goes live. Even if I had to wait a little longer for my sites to be available for sale, I would think the extra protection and reassurance offered to both buyers and sellers would absolutely be worth it.
      Do you know of any 3rd party services that could integrate, that would be able to accurately screen for IP violations?

      Fraud is such a huge problem on both sides of the coin, and I really do think it has had something to do with the decline in the marketplace, over and above any economic downturn. My number one piece of feedback as a seller is that you should take that extra fee you'll have on each listing and put it towards some preventative moderation of the marketplace.
      Verified stats via Google Analytics API is coming soon, I've also pitched the idea of verifying the names & addresses of bidders in a post above but received very negative feedback to that idea.

      Do you think it'd be worthwhile for us to force first-time bidders to verify their name & address with us via a CVS/credit card check?

      The result would be a stronger marketplace overall, which will result in higher success fees for you, which people won't have a problem with if they are buying and selling a higher quality of site due to your vigilant administration. Then, you still end up with more revenue over all by raising the quality level of the marketplace and hence the amounts that sites are selling for, and nobody feels jibbed by the extra listing fee, because you are doing something extra to earn it.
      I agree 100%. That's the ultimate plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey,

    Thanks for all the kind words Suzanne. I'm loving your store, and your such a great user of the site already! Just like in every marketplace a "buyer confidence" must strike the potential buyer of the product, our goal was to create a system that the seller can do just this by creating a About Me page, Store, and Reputation System...

    Fraud Protection is coming to SiteDeal with a few features, one is, the Block Users feature. Suzanne, if you look in your member area, you can see the feature.

    Basically, if we ever grow as big as SP, controling SPAM and crap would get tough, but if someone is annoying you with PM's and bids, and fake BIN's, you simply block them from any of your stuff inside of SiteDeal.

    We then get notified of the Blocking, and check to see what is up for ultimate deletion or suspension from the site.

    We were going to allow upen comments as well, but have made the final decision to only use Private Messaging. Our goal is to reflect a true marketplace, one where your not getting interrogated on your listing, but being asked true questions, and you can choose to answer at your own discretion.

    Once again, thanks for the comments,

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      That phpprobid script is one of the best for an auction site. It has a lot of features. I used one last year when I made a blog flipping marketplace usedblogs.com. I ended up flipping the site though. Now, the site seems to be offline.
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      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Hey,

      Thanks for all the kind words Suzanne. I'm loving your store, and your such a great user of the site already! Just like in every marketplace a "buyer confidence" must strike the potential buyer of the product, our goal was to create a system that the seller can do just this by creating a About Me page, Store, and Reputation System...

      Fraud Protection is coming to SiteDeal with a few features, one is, the Block Users feature. Suzanne, if you look in your member area, you can see the feature.

      Basically, if we ever grow as big as SP, controling SPAM and crap would get tough, but if someone is annoying you with PM's and bids, and fake BIN's, you simply block them from any of your stuff inside of SiteDeal.

      We then get notified of the Blocking, and check to see what is up for ultimate deletion or suspension from the site.

      We were going to allow upen comments as well, but have made the final decision to only use Private Messaging. Our goal is to reflect a true marketplace, one where your not getting interrogated on your listing, but being asked true questions, and you can choose to answer at your own discretion.

      Once again, thanks for the comments,

      Steven

      I noticed the blocking feature and am grateful for it. The store is a great feature and the site looks like an auction site, which is what people expect from an auction site. Great job, so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kezz
    Hi Matt,

    Thanks for your response. I'll try to get in quickly while you're still online here.

    Yes, I do think there are some inadequacies in the feedback system at the moment. I think that a problem that has been increasing is sellers trying to reduce competition by attacking other people's listings. It's common on ebay and I think it was growing more common on Sitepoint. My main suggestion is that there should be some clear cut "Has paid" or "Hasn't paid" type of status against every auction. If a bidder fails to pay, they should thereafter be prevented from bidding on other people's auctions.

    In regards to 3rd party systems to flag IP violations, I'm assuming you mean to automate the process? I'd have to leave those specifics in your capable hands. Are you suggesting that if there is no 3rd party application, you wouldn't be able to have a moderation process? My suggestion is that you should consider having each listing run, even if only very briefly, before human eyes. That in itself would be a discouragement to sellers who know in themselves they are doing the wrong thing, because when human beings are approving each listing, no-one can know when they might be flagged for illegally selling material they don't own.

    For me personally, I am willing to double the listing fee I pay if I know that at least a portion of that goes to paying an individual to screen my listing, and all of the others that go online. I don't mind if its just a cursory check, I understand this would still provide no guarantees, but it would be like having a security guard standing at the doorway of a store. Even if the security guard can't do a lot, how many people does his mere presence deter from trying to sneak something past him?

    It's a tricky question on verifying bidders via checks like the ones you mention. I'd have to agree it would probably make most people not bother bidding - I wouldn't jump those hoops myself. The other tricky part is that the horse has already bolted with Flippa given that it went live so quickly. I wonder if it's too late now for some suggestions, but I'll make them anyway.

    There really ought to be some kind of system to ensure that bidders are serious. I actually have just come up with an idea that could have some legs. Could the credit system you use for sellers be extended in some way to be used for bidders as well? If a bidder has to put some money up front in the form of credits, then it shows they are serious and gives that extra layer of protection that sellers are looking for. I doubt an individual whose only plan is to sabotage listings would be willing to buy auction credits, then risk losing their money with fraudulent bids.

    A full escrow system would be ideal, but I think it's probably a little late for that with Flippa now. Perhaps your existing infrastructure could be adapted though. You could then actually secure your success fee payment as well. Bidder purchases auction credits and gives money to you. Seller auctions a site. You take funds from the amount given to you by the bidder, keep your success fee, and pass the rest onto the seller. This would also solve the non-paying bidder issue I described above. Plus, I think we'd all feel much more like the 10% was highly deserved then, as it would become in a sense a transaction fee as well. You don't have to wait for your fees, sellers don't have to wait for payment, everyone is more secure, and we all live happily ever after.

    What do you think?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucas Adamski
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    It's the WORST transformation of the website I've saw in my life!

    This is like changing good, proffesional looking websites to some junk, seriously...

    I dont get why they want to this web 2.0 style. I'm not saying that web 2.0 is wrong but in flippa it's horribly implemented. I hoep they wil change it to the last design. I read on the home page they got some bad comments already so I hope they will go back to previous design. I liked sitepoint because of simplicity and clearity...
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Yeh, it wasn't a good move the way they did it. I see them losing a lot of business, but mostly because of the added fees. Sitepoint is an established brand. Why move one of their most valuable assets, the marketplace, to another domain? Then at the same time raise prices?

      Originally Posted by deadastronaut0 View Post

      WOW
      It's the WORST transformation of the website I've saw in my life!

      This is like changing good, proffesional looking websites to some junk, seriously...

      I dont get why they want to this web 2.0 style. I'm not saying that web 2.0 is wrong but in flippa it's horribly implemented. I hoep they wil change it to the last design. I read on the home page they got some bad comments already so I hope they will go back to previous design. I liked sitepoint because of simplicity and clearity...
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      • Profile picture of the author Stephen Root
        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Yeh, it wasn't a good move the way they did it. I see them losing a lot of business, but mostly because of the added fees. Sitepoint is an established brand. Why move one of their most valuable assets, the marketplace, to another domain? Then at the same time raise prices?
        To illustrate this, I have to confess I didn't even know SitePoint.com was Flippa.com nowadays. I really don't understand why some companies become so obsessed with their image & brand that they forget business values. I found it profoundly astonishing when I learned that people who open up a restaurant spend most of the "startup time" planning the logo. That's just absurd. Who cares about the name or the brand if there's no customers.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by TimPhelan View Post

        Yeh, it wasn't a good move the way they did it. I see them losing a lot of business, but mostly because of the added fees. Sitepoint is an established brand. Why move one of their most valuable assets, the marketplace, to another domain? Then at the same time raise prices?
        I wonder also what it will do to the traffic to the sitepoint marketplace. The only reason I ever browsed (and made purchases) in the other sections was because I was already there to buy and sell websites.

        In addition, now that I can see who is buying and selling what, I see that the price gouging hasn't deterred all the scam sellers. They're sticking to Flippa like warts. I can only assume that all the scam buyers and auction spoilers are as well. The free-for-all marketplace that was the old Sitepoint, is now the ree-for-all WEB 2.0 marketplace ... it just costs a lot more to do business there.

        The old Sitepoint's biggest problem was one of reputation. More and more buyers were getting ripped off and the same with sellers. I heard the stories over and over again in different forums and communication with customers. All the fraudulent buyers has created the need for me to add this disclaimer onto my auctions:

        Due to Paypal fraud attempts from previous buyers, domain name will be held for 46 days from buyers not having 100% feedback rating from numerous transactions. I will point the nameservers to your server during the waiting period. Alternatively, buyer can pay for Escrow service for the transaction or wire cash or pay by check (site transferred when check clears).

        I had more than one buyer and seller try to rip me off.
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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          According to Alexa it's dipped quite a bit in the last week. To 1606 yesterday in fact. The Warrior forum has passed it up this week.

          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I wonder also what it will do to the traffic to the sitepoint marketplace.
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  • Profile picture of the author patricialin
    I've not gone back to list at Flippa ever since I had the trouble of having 3 successful BINs for my auction that went through. The management did not reply my ticket to resolve the matter. Needless to say, I had 2 disappointed customers who went away without getting the site they thought they had won.

    Glad to see a few recommendations along the way while I was reading this thread. Looking forward to better auction sites available online!
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    • Profile picture of the author Matt Mickiewicz
      Originally Posted by patricialin View Post

      I've not gone back to list at Flippa ever since I had the trouble of having 3 successful BINs for my auction that went through. The management did not reply my ticket to resolve the matter. Needless to say, I had 2 disappointed customers who went away without getting the site they thought they had won.

      Glad to see a few recommendations along the way while I was reading this thread. Looking forward to better auction sites available online!
      Hi Patricia,

      We're investigating this right now. I'm going to try to rack down your support ticket and find out what happened to it and why you didn't receive a response. By the way, you have 5 feedback invitations left in your account...

      By the way, we're now seriously considering disabling the auction comment across all auctions. Please let us know what you think of this idea on our blog (linked below).
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      • I do not like the new format. I think sitepoint made a mistake with this.
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      • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
        Originally Posted by Matt Mickiewicz View Post


        By the way, we're now seriously considering disabling the auction comment across all auctions. Please let us know what you think of this idea on our blog (linked below).
        I think it's a great idea. I absolutely HATE having to check up on my auction throughout the day, just to see that no idiots or competitors trying to ruin my auction have left negative or misleading questions/comments.

        If anyone is SERIOUS about the purchase, they can easily send a PM.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Josh Kulp View Post

          I think it's a great idea. I absolutely HATE having to check up on my auction throughout the day, just to see that no idiots or competitors trying to ruin my auction have left negative or misleading questions/comments.

          If anyone is SERIOUS about the purchase, they can easily send a PM.
          Yeah ... you notice it's the "buyers" who want them and not the people who are paying for the auction listings. Sellers have always known that it was just sabotage from idiots and competitors ... saw some messages on the blog from brokers that they won't even list their client's sites on Flippa/Sitepoint because of the comments ... they think it's an unprofessional format, and of course, it is.

          There's already a report button for people to use if they are concerned about an auction being legitimate and they can pm if they have any real questions.

          The site is still lacking information that was present in the Sitepoint site that people in a hurry found useful and necessary for conducting business. They added sellers names to the "ALL" listings page, but not any of the others views, such as Featured or Ending Soon, etc. For the same reasons that people wanted that info available, they want it on all views. A great deal of attention is focused on filters. I never wanted and still don't want filters. I want a fast and informative listing of all the auctions as they flow in. Filters just filter out something that I might find tempting if I read it. Just because I may be looking for something under $500 doesn't mean that I couldn't be persuaded for the right site.

          As an aside, here's my experience with accepting someone's offer on one of the auctions that was imported into Flippa when it changed ... a really a confusing experience.

          Just got an offer for a website that had been automatically transferred to Flippa and was in private offer state. I accepted the offer, even though it was a lot lower than I had originally listed it for. I then got an automated email from Flippa giving me a link to contact the buyer to arrange payment.

          Clicked on the link.



          So I go to "My Listings". Nowhere on that page is the buyers' name or a way to contact him. It says 0 bids because it wasn't a bid but nowhere is there "offers" on the auction page. I keep clicking around and finally find him in my pms because he had contacted me earlier about the site. Extremely messy way to do business.
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      • Profile picture of the author patricialin
        Originally Posted by Kate Anderson View Post

        This surprises me, really. I had a problem the other day with a listing and I directly communicated with a support rep (David, great guy) who helped me out quickly.. in fact, I didn't wait more than 10 minutes for a resolution to the issue.

        Sorry you had a different experience, but perhaps as they continue to iron out the bugs, it will get better.. Launch is always crazy and I'm sure they were doing all they could to keep up, but if you lost two buyers because of it, I can see why'd you be fuming..
        Hi Kate,

        Actually I do understand that this isn't a small site transfer but a huge one. Bugs are inevitable however, I think that they should have allowed more buffer time and perhaps had more beta testers to try out the site before they officially launched it? It's certainly a lesson that most of us, internet marketers can learn from, with regards to mega site launches.


        Originally Posted by Matt Mickiewicz View Post

        Hi Patricia,

        We're investigating this right now. I'm going to try to rack down your support ticket and find out what happened to it and why you didn't receive a response. By the way, you have 5 feedback invitations left in your account...

        By the way, we're now seriously considering disabling the auction comment across all auctions. Please let us know what you think of this idea on our blog (linked below).

        Hi Matt,

        I certainly wasn't expecting a personal reply in this thread but thanks. I can see throughout this thread that you're really doing as much as you can to present things from the point of view of the Flippa management. Kudos to that.

        Anyway, I and my client each submitted a ticket to the support desk but that was more than a week ago. Mine's Ticket #1392 under Bug support. But I've since settled the issue with the others and refunded them their BIN payment.

        Btw, just to let you know, is there something wrong with the link to your blog in your signature? It should be flippadotcom.wordpress instead of flippadotcom.flippa right?

        Well, am looking forward to seeing the site being finalized and stabilized. Looking forward to that!

        Warm Regards,
        Patricia
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    • Profile picture of the author Kate Anderson
      This surprises me, really. I had a problem the other day with a listing and I directly communicated with a support rep (David, great guy) who helped me out quickly.. in fact, I didn't wait more than 10 minutes for a resolution to the issue.

      Sorry you had a different experience, but perhaps as they continue to iron out the bugs, it will get better.. Launch is always crazy and I'm sure they were doing all they could to keep up, but if you lost two buyers because of it, I can see why'd you be fuming..

      Originally Posted by patricialin View Post

      I've not gone back to list at Flippa ever since I had the trouble of having 3 successful BINs for my auction that went through. The management did not reply my ticket to resolve the matter. Needless to say, I had 2 disappointed customers who went away without getting the site they thought they had won.

      Glad to see a few recommendations along the way while I was reading this thread. Looking forward to better auction sites available online!
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  • Profile picture of the author TycoonRob
    Since the final prices for sites on SP has been dropping significantly over the past 6 months to a year, the new inflated prices will take a huge chunk out of profits, especially for sites that sell on the low end. I have not and will not ever post an auction there. My $0.02.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    I truly think Sitepoint had a good idea creating a separate entity away from their forum, especially if they had "big corporate" in their mind like Ebay, and being purchased for millions from the Big G, etc.

    However the process of converting marketplaces was all wrong, they should of let users use both for a while like when AOL and Facebook did their transitions.

    I don't mind the fee when selling a site that will sell over $10,000, but still a $1,000 site is going to take a big hit, and back during my avid site flipping days most of my sites were between $800-$2,000.

    In overall, it is just a messy launch, but I think they will get back on their feet when they fix everything.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    In case anyone missed Mark Harbottles' apology for calling his customers whiners and complainers and telling to go to Digital Point, here it is:

    Mark Harbottle says .... Ill stop by here Allen. Perhaps a poor choice of words, but I stand by message
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  • Profile picture of the author mikecorp
    I liked sitepoint better.
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  • Profile picture of the author new guy
    It would be nice if there was some way to verify buyers - before they posted a comment or whatever. I often noticed that buyers were "new" and not verified. causes a lot of problems for sellers. If someone wants to bid on my listing, they should have to identify themselves and not be able to get a new username every day. Verify who they are and require them to use the same username. Then when someone is a non payer, everyone can see it. There will be fewer auctions that get messed up.
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  • Profile picture of the author yommys01
    Is there any warrior here who has sold a site on flippa ( the new one not sitepoint). I have got some sites to list but I am a little skeptical about the new market place.
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  • Profile picture of the author marmo
    IMO if the content is good it wont matter much how the site colors ect look, content is still king online. As long as the colors ect do not hurt the eyes it's all good. However with them fee'ing people to death that isn't good either. Some of the policy's suck there too such as not being able to use $ in the titles. Seems they are inviting competitor sites to overtake them on the market, that can often happen when one just gets to dam sure of themselves and starts to get greedy / slack off.
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  • Profile picture of the author markfail
    I have to agree, the new website isnt half the old one was, i for one have stopped using it since the change. Real disapointment since i was an active paying customer.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Just made my first sale through sitedeal.org ... That is nice to see.
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    • Profile picture of the author yommys01
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Just made my first sale through sitedeal.org ... That is nice to see.
      Great news. Can you tell us how much was it and it is an established or start up site? If you don't mind give link to the auction please.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    It was one of my Niche Blogging Treasure Store Dutch auctions of which I sell numerous copies of start-ups Niche Blogs ... a small sale, but a sale none the less. I'll be listing some more of my bigger sites, which are startups later today or tomorrow. Got a couple of killer blog/minisite combos that have just been launched.
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    • Profile picture of the author yommys01
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      It was one of my Niche Blogging Treasure Store Dutch auctions of which I sell numerous copies of start-ups Niche Blogs ... a small sale, but a sale none the less. I'll be listing some more of my bigger sites, which are startups later today or tomorrow. Got a couple of killer blog/minisite combos that have just been launched.
      Great. Guess I should give site deal a try and see how it goes. I will update my progress here.
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    I prefer the old design of SitePoint.com than Flippa.com design.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Hixson
    Just sold my first site via sitedeal as well... as a relative newbie it was very easy to use and the 'recommended' and other options they award some sites are great - I am sure the recommendation technique will help many sites sell.

    Good stuff, going to be listing a few more this week I think.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cerberus
    I managed to sell a site just 2 hours after listing it. Big plus. Is it because the marketplace is now flippa? I doubt it.

    The cost is just way too expensive. $24 to list the site then $24 for the success fee. (split 50-50 with buyer). Damn $48 to sell a $1000 site. What if the buyer fails to pay?
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  • Profile picture of the author robdocherty
    To everyone: I am currently developing the only US-based site: domain flip central as well as AffordableFreelance [add dot com to both, no spaces]

    I'm the owner of GoogleSEOExpert - and have spent a long time planning and building this out. I'd love any interested parties to contact me via telephone and/or email.

    502-287-3302

    Please, disregard the colors if you do not like what you see yet. It looks very clean, and I'm a usability consultant so it isn't thrown together.

    I hope to hear from you all. Good luck!
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