War Room Subscription

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Is anyone aware of the fact that the War Room Subscription has just gone to $97/Year ?!

I didn't join the War room when i joined the WF a couple of months back, but the price was $20/year. Why did the freelancing team made such a massive increase in the yearly subscription?

I though the War Room was suppose to help the newbies. Most people who join WF are often short on money and War Room presented a great alternative to other, more valuable courses.

I rue not joining War Room when i signed up.
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  • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
    Reportedly, they were having too many people violating the rules in order to build their lists. They raised the price to discourage that activity.
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    • Profile picture of the author jeremy49
      Originally Posted by N4PGW View Post

      Reportedly, they were having too many people violating the rules in order to build their lists. They raised the price to discourage that activity.
      I am sure you are right as to the reason they have given and it just does not make any sense. As you are not addressing the behavior, but just limit the number doing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by N4PGW View Post

      Reportedly, they were having too many people violating the rules in order to build their lists. They raised the price to discourage that activity.
      That sounds like a bunch of bunk. I've been a War Room member and never wanted to "build a list" from the section. I don't even visit it. The biggest benefit of the War Room is the ability to run WSOs and get extra PM space. They are now going to have a lot of newbies who simply cannot afford the price of entry.

      If they wanted to avoid people breaking their rules, they only need more effective moderation of the section.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post

      Is anyone aware of the fact that the War Room Subscription has just gone to $97/Year ?!
      Yes; there've been discussions about it here.

      Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post

      I didn't join the War room when i joined the WF a couple of months back, but the price was $20/year. Why did the freelancing team made such a massive increase in the yearly subscription?
      They initially changed it from $37 for 20 years (which is what it had been for years, when they bought the forum) to $20 per annum. Prices change. Maybe they're even testing different prices? They're internet marketers, I think? The timing was unlucky for you, undeniably.

      Personally, I think War Room membership should be cheaper, and WSO listing-fees much higher, maybe $100 or even $150. In my opinion, that combination would solve a lot of problems. (But it might cost the owners some money, too, I suppose). If I'd bought the forum, I'd have started by pricing basic membership at $1 (to remove all spambots and some multiple registrations), War Room membership at $10 per year, and WSO listing-fees at $100 (but with "bumps" much lower priced than that). I'd also possibly have subdivided the WSO forum by category, to some extent. But what do I know? I'm only an internet marketer, and unlike Freelancer I couldn't afford to buy it in the first place. Talk is cheap.

      Originally Posted by N4PGW View Post

      Reportedly, they were having too many people violating the rules in order to build their lists.
      What made you think this?

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      • Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        They initially changed it from $37 for 20 years (which is what it had been for years, when they bought the forum) to $20 per annum. Prices change. Maybe they're even testing different prices? They're internet marketers, I think? The timing was unlucky for you, undeniably. .
        It indeed has been! I wasn't around when the price was $37, but i heard it was was lifetime membership. Probably was, probably wasn't!

        $20 was a great price for the yearly subscription. People come to WF looking for information which would cost upto triple figures elsewhere.. like I did ! War Room was suggested, but I didn't have Paypal back then (only 18) - Although I can get the membership now, I don't feel like spending $97 on it.


        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Personally, I think War Room membership should be cheaper, and WSO listing-fees much higher, maybe $100 or even $150. In my opinion, that combination would solve a lot of problems. (But it might cost the owners some money, too, I suppose). If I'd bought the forum, I'd have started by pricing basic membership at $1 (to remove all spambots), War Room membership at $10 per year, and WSO listing-fees at $100 (with "bumps" much cheaper than that). I'd also possibly have subdivided the WSO forum by category, to some extent. But what do I know? I'm only an internet marketer, and unlike Freelancer I couldn't afford to buy it.
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        This is a better option. I really don't care about the WSO launches. All i needed was the information in the War Room.. like all novice's want.. which seems overpriced compared to what it was.

        Uptill now, the Freelancing Team seemed like a blessing.. but they've just took the best place from novice marketers to start, added some flashy graphic with a good ol' sales pitch and made it unavailable.

        They should have left the forum with it's previous owners. Atleast they were helping people for a reasonable price compared to the market and weren't after the money like everyone else on the internet.
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    • Profile picture of the author osamaye360
      Originally Posted by N4PGW View Post

      Reportedly, they were having too many people violating the rules in order to build their lists. They raised the price to discourage that activity.

      i did not know that you could use the war room forum to build list. i thought the only way is to launch wso. how do you build your list with the war room forum please?
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by osamaye360 View Post

        i did not know that you could use the war room forum to build list. i thought the only way is to launch wso. how do you build your list with the war room forum please?
        There are no squeeze pages / forced opt-ins allowed in the War Room.

        However, you are allowed to use an optional opt in form, as long as the download link is obvious. It is discussed here in the War Room:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...-accepted.html

        If any of you see anyone trying to get around the rules by making the download link / button / etc. difficult to see please report it and the mods will deal with it.

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      • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
        Originally Posted by osamaye360 View Post

        i did not know that you could use the war room forum to build list. i thought the only way is to launch wso. how do you build your list with the war room forum please?
        The question is do you really WANT to use The War Room to build a list? I've never looked at the WF as a means to get traffic to any of my sites/squeeze pages and/or build my list.

        I always looked at it as THE place where Internet Marketers come to get together and share ideas, strategies, and other awesome marketing information and more importantly, network with other like minded marketers.

        I'm not saying that you couldn't get some good leads from the WF, I'm just saying that I, along with many others it seems, don't use it that way. I've never even used my forum sig. I think I would much rather have someone who found one of my posts helpful or liked something I said contact me via PM and chat with me one on one instead of opting in to my list.
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        • Profile picture of the author beasty513
          Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

          The question is do you really WANT to use The War Room to build a list? I've never looked at the WF as a means to get traffic to any of my sites/squeeze pages and/or build my list.

          I always looked at it as THE place where Internet Marketers come to get together and share ideas, strategies, and other awesome marketing information.

          I'm not saying that you couldn't get some good leads from the WF, I'm just saying that I, along with many others it seems, don't use it that way. I've never even used my forum sig.
          I agree, though many other people see it as an
          opportunity to build a list in the War Room just because.

          There are plenty of no opt-in giveaways and the ones
          that deals with a membership site, you are given a username & password
          so you won't have to enter in your information.
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          • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
            Originally Posted by beasty513 View Post

            I agree, though many other people see it as an
            opportunity to build a list in the War Room just because.

            There are plenty of no-opt in giveaways and the ones
            that deals with a membership site, you are given a username & password
            so you won't have to enter in your information.
            Yes I think many of the giveaways are really great. I've learned lots of new things. And I must admit, I have opted in to a couple of lists only because I liked the free report so much that I wanted to see what else they had to offer.

            I don't think there is anything wrong with building your list from The War Room or the WF in general, it's just not really my thing. I believe in giving back and helping others without expecting anything in return once in a while so I guess I see this forum as my place to do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    Wow I guess I got lucky! I just got my War Room subscription last week! I guess I'm OK for a year anyway.

    I'm not sure what the deal is about building a list though. I know you can give away your reports but you have to give them away without asking people to opt-in. As far as I can tell nobody was violating that rule.

    However, I don't think there is any rule against putting a link to your squeeze page on your download page or even inside your PDF is there?

    After all, we are marketers and so it's only normal we build our lists.

    That being said, I would still pay the $97 per year because it is definitely worth it. People give away their WSOs and other information that you would have to pay for elsewhere for free on there.

    If you are someone that purchased a lot of WSOs, you would still be better off paying the $97 a year because I would argue that you probably would not have to buy nearly as many WSOs because you could get lots of that info from the War Room.

    However, that could have an alternate effect on WSO sellers if tons of members decide to just join The War Room and lay off purchasing WSOs.

    At this point in my IM career $20 is really no big deal to me. However, when I think back to my newbie days even $20 a year would have been a big expense to me, let alone $97 a year.

    I feel bad that The War Room has become less accessible to those that need it most - the newbie marketers. I think that it kind of goes against one of the reasons why the forum was started, and that was as a valued resource for new Internet Marketers.

    I also think that nobody should panic just yet because this may only be a test, and if it fails and nobody want to pay the $97 per year, then the owners may very well drop the price back down.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I don't even visit it.
    I think I have two times in two years.

    I just wanted the cool, red label. (;
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I had hoped he War Room would be similar to the old Warrior Alliance where methods and techniques and marketing tips were discussed - but it's been nothing but a giveaway site. The most valuable part of the War Room were the posts by Allen and I haven't looked to see if they are still there or not.

      I see posts where people say "it's worth it because you get a lot of free WSO's"...but I wonder...how many WSO's do you need? Recently I've noticed pre-promotions for WSOs and list-building giveaways in the War Room - neither of which are allowed.

      I think the increase in price makes sense - the only new members likely to pay $97 to join are those serious enough to be planning a WSO.
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      • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I had hoped he War Room would be similar to the old Warrior Alliance where methods and techniques and marketing tips were discussed - but it's been nothing but a giveaway site. The most valuable part of the War Room were the posts by Allen and I haven't looked to see if they are still there or not.

        I see posts where people say "it's worth it because you get a lot of free WSO's"...but I wonder...how many WSO's do you need? Recently I've noticed pre-promotions for WSOs and list-building giveaways in the War Room - neither of which are allowed.

        I think the increase in price makes sense - the only new members likely to pay $97 to join are those serious enough to be planning a WSO.
        I actually do find all of the free WSOs and reports VERY helpful. I know it's a rule that when you give away a free report you cannot ask for opt-in.

        However, what just about all of the members do is have a download link or opt-in form on their download page below the download link. Also, many of the free reports contain a link to a squeeze page or blog.

        Is this what people mean when they say that it is a list building giveaway? I was under the impression that as long as the free report could be downloaded without opt-in then it was within the rules.

        I don't see a problem with putting a link to a squeeze page on the download page or inside the PDF because after all you are giving away some great information so why shouldn't you be allowed to add a link to your squeeze page? As long as you are not forcing anyone to opt-in then I don't see a problem. Also, I have actually opted in to some of the lists that were offering something of value and got even more good information for free. If I don't like the follow up emails that the marketer sends to me, it doesn't take much effort to simply click the "unsubscribe" link.

        I haven't heard that people trying to build their list is the reason why the pricing went up, either. Personally, I don't think that's the reason. I was thinking that maybe the owners wanted to limit those who wanted to launch WSOs? And in that case I'm expecting the listing price of a WSO to increase soon as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author Recruitment Nick
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I had hoped he War Room would be similar to the old Warrior Alliance where methods and techniques and marketing tips were discussed - but it's been nothing but a giveaway site. The most valuable part of the War Room were the posts by Allen and I haven't looked to see if they are still there or not.

        I see posts where people say "it's worth it because you get a lot of free WSO's"...but I wonder...how many WSO's do you need? Recently I've noticed pre-promotions for WSOs and list-building giveaways in the War Room - neither of which are allowed.

        I think the increase in price makes sense - the only new members likely to pay $97 to join are those serious enough to be planning a WSO.
        This. I spent a bit of time in there when I first signed up to it, looking at the older threads, it was great - people sharing techniques, discussing problems and how to overcome them - like the best of the WF distilled. All the newer stuff from the last couple of years though are just people giving away "FREE" WSOs. Don't get me wrong, that's great an' all - but it was the feedback and the give and take that I loved, it's a shame it's not there anymore.
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        • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
          Originally Posted by Recruitment Nick View Post

          This. I spent a bit of time in there when I first signed up to it, looking at the older threads, it was great - people sharing techniques, discussing problems and how to overcome them - like the best of the WF distilled. All the newer stuff from the last couple of years though are just people giving away "FREE" WSOs. Don't get me wrong, that's great an' all - but it was the feedback and the give and take that I loved, it's a shame it's not there anymore.
          Even though I am new to The War Room I certainly agree with you that is mostly people giving away free reports and WSOs, which I think is great. However, I would really enjoy having more back & forth discussions and especially gaining insight from very successful marketers. I would certainly like to see this start happening as well.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve B
          Sometimes we may lose sight of the fact that the Warrior Forum is someone's private business. It has been since the beginning. It's not a public site where the users can demand to implement whatever suites their fancy - this is no democracy.

          As much as we, the membership, like to think this is "our" community, it is only so because the owners have allowed our presence according to their rules and terms which can change anytime and as often as they see fit.

          One thing is for sure - change happens. The Freelancer owners are in control - they paid for that right. Whether they multiply their investment or eventually kill the golden egg laying goose is totally in their hands.

          The success of any forum, it would seem to me, is at least partially determined by the commitment of its members to return and post often. If the owners lose sight of the interests of the members, the appeal to return often will dissipate and other marketing forums that cater to the needs of their membership will take over.

          Truly the ball is in management's court. Aren't we all here because of our own self interests (whatever they may be)? None of the members that I know think - "Oh I have to visit the Warrior Forum to help Freelancer make some money today."

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      • Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        I think the increase in price makes sense - the only new members likely to pay $97 to join are those serious enough to be planning a WSO.
        I think you've forgotten how it was to start out fresh with no prior knowledge, little money and specially, whom to trust with your precious start up dollar.

        If a person is willing to spend $20 on the War Room, what makes you think they aren't serious? Spending a single dollar means you're serious since spending the first dollar online is far more meaningful than spending a thousand dollars down the road.

        Moreover, is the War Room all about WSO's ?!


        As for the free WSOs.. how does that give any explanation to the price increase? They belong to the vendors and they're sharing them by their consent and aren't required to by the War Room. I'm guessing the Wso's were being shared even before the Freelancer team took over.

        War Room is suppose to be a place to novice's.. who don't have a budget to learn about Affiliate Marketing, CPA, CPC, PPC, PPV, Email marketing etc !

        The new price would be acceptable if it applied to vendors only.
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        • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
          Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post


          War Room is suppose to be a place to novice's.. who don't have a budget to learn about Affiliate Marketing, CPA, CPC, PPC, PPV, Email marketing etc !
          What ever gave you this idea? The War Room houses a lot of stuff. As Kay mentioned, the best of it is Allen's old posts and reports. I also feel the quality of the giveaways in there beats the quality (by a lot) of the few WSOs I've purchased. There are exceptions, of course.

          Regardless of what's in there, it's a desirable commodity and the new owners can charge what they want for it. The rationale should be pretty simple to understand. There are brand new people to Internet marketing looking to launch their first WSO because they think it's the path to riches.

          The War Room is a $100 toll gate. Simple as that. They've raised the price because they can. And because it's smart business.
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          • Profile picture of the author salegurus
            Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post

            War Room is suppose to be a place to novice's.. who don't have a budget to learn about Affiliate Marketing, CPA, CPC, PPC, PPV, Email marketing etc !
            I don't think it is, the Main forum seems to be the go to place for Novice's/Newbies who drown out all others with repetitive basic questions and that's free... As far as i understand the Warroom was to cater for people who were beyond asking:
            "where to start", "how to spend X amount", "how to get traffic", "does this work", "I have a site what now" etc. etc.

            Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post

            new price would be acceptable if it applied to vendors only.
            Acceptable to who? I don't think they had your number when they decided on the new charges...


            Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post

            The question isn't whether someone want's in on the 'Awesomeness', it's whether they can afford to or not when they start their IM journey.
            That's unfortunate but like people have been pointing out it's a business, the owners get to decide. I can't afford a new Lamborghini, does that mean i should contact them and tell them to lower their prices?

            Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

            Sometimes we may lose sight of the fact that the Warrior Forum is someone's private business. It has been since the beginning. It's not a public site where the users can demand to implement whatever suites their fancy - this is no democracy.
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          • Profile picture of the author wrcato2
            the best of it is Allen's old posts and reports.
            Not anymore. Alans, idea;s, and plans section is gone. I even did a search and couldn't find them in the war room.

            If you know where they are let me know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mo Goulet
    I'll worry about it in 20 years when my membership is up
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    • Profile picture of the author waterotter
      Originally Posted by Mo Goulet View Post

      I'll worry about it in 20 years when my membership is up
      Your 20 year membership has been grandfathered in to lifetime, so no more fees for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author jfalxr
    Glad that I have decided to join War Room a couple of weeks ago..

    I know sooner or later the price will go up.. It's quite a shocking for me when WF decides to change the War Room subscription into $20.. I guess $37was the best fit

    However we must respect this decision.. I believe it's for the good of this forum..

    Personally, I prefer to the WSO listing that changed. This to make sure all WSOs there are best quality..

    I have seen some new WSO are an MRR products that has been around on some membership sites, when it should be their own products..
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by jfalxr View Post

      I have seen some new WSO are an MRR products that has been around on some membership sites, when it should be their own products..
      Did you report those? You should report a listing that you know is not a unique product. Use the teeny weeny red triangle in the lower left column of the listing or post.
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      • Profile picture of the author jfalxr
        Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

        Did you report those? You should report a listing that you know is not a unique product. Use the teeny weeny red triangle in the lower left column of the listing or post.
        Oops, forgot to do this.. I will as soon as I found them..

        Thanks for the feedback
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          Well, guess I might be heading on over to somewhere else sadly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clyde Dennis
    The new owners have done a pretty descent job with the site upgrades here and there. Let's hope they have bigger plans for the War Room coming down the pike along with the price increase.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    AFAIK the discussions and sharing of the "good stuff" (besides downloads or WSOs) can still happen. The opening post just needs to be moderated first.

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    Wow, that's a big swing. When exactly did that happen?
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  • Profile picture of the author djginter
    @ Steve: I do agree that we are here in some way for our own self interests in some way; but I do not think it's all for the dollars. I like to network and meet new people. This forum has been great for that, and I have made some fast friends.

    It's a big forum, and as such there are some negatives. I hadn't realized that there was new ownership. When did that occur? Anyone know?
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  • Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post

    Is anyone aware of the fact that the War Room Subscription has just gone to $97/Year ?!
    It's about time! Take a look at what you get!

    Here are just some of the folks who responded to this thread. All war room members!





    It is well worth the measly $97 to access our Awesomeness!
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    "Keep Up The Good Work!" Tony Lindsay - Lead Vocalist, Carlos Santana.

    "Very High Quality!" Jeremy Harding - Manager / Producer. Sean Paul.
    "They Are FANTASTIC!" - Willie Crawford.

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    • Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

      It is well worth the measly $97 to access our Awesomeness!
      What may seem a measly $97 to you, is probably even lower than the start up cost for the average IM. The question isn't whether someone want's in on the 'Awesomeness', it's whether they can afford to or not when they start their IM journey.
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      • Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post

        The question isn't whether someone want's in on the 'Awesomeness', it's whether they can afford to or not when they start their IM journey.
        If I was a broke newbie looking for great value, I would find that a war room membership even at $97 would be a pretty good investment, knowing that on any given day I can download tons of useful quality products such as graphics, software, audios, videos, eBooks, full blown courses, etc... all offered for free by warriors who in many cases are selling the same products elsewhere for a fee.

        So the real question is whether someone can afford not to join.

        I though the War Room was suppose to help the newbies. Most people who join WF are often short on money and War Room presented a great alternative to other, more valuable courses.
        Having a war room membership is not a mandatory requirement in order to start an IM journey. Purchasing a membership is an investment decision that one makes, just like with any other IM product or service being offered online. If you don't have the funds yet, and or fail to see the value in exchange for the price charged, simply don't invest in it today.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

      It's about time! Take a look at what you get!

      Here are just some of the folks who responded to this thread. All war room members!





      It is well worth the measly $97 to access our Awesomeness!
      Thanks for the inclusion, but it's a bit misleading. War Room membership in no way gives you access to me. I'm much cheaper than that. lol. I don't use the War Room or contribute to it. The only reason I have it, it was $37 one time fee and it gave me the ability to launch a WSO should I want to and have space for more than 10 measly PMs.
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  • Profile picture of the author UsedName
    Judging by the fact that I don't see it mentioned here, I "m starting to wonder if I'm the only one who noticed the week free trial. I think it goes a long way to offsetting the drastic price increase - although I wish I hadn't spent years lurking before creating an account so I could've taken advantage of the old price point - considering you can spend a week exploring the forum and you would know exactly what you're getting. At least there are no surprises.
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    Just to chime in, I was going to join the War Room, now I'm not.
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        TG,
        And because it's smart business.
        I'm not entirely sure it is. It may be, but it's hardly certain at this point.

        If the goal is to reduce certain types of offers, that's relatively easy: Change the approval policy. Trying to do it by raising the cost of entry to the War Room may help and may not. Historically, that's not been an effective approach.

        Policy changes are much more reliable for that aspect. Assuming that's even a factor in this particular decision, which I don't know. It may well not be.

        As for the rest, it's math. At this point, we know some of the variables, but not all of them. We don't know the long-term strategy, assuming there is one. It may just be a test to see what happens. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but those can occasionally backfire.

        The main ones we do know the names of are traffic to the site, exposure to the offer, conversion rate of the initial ad, back end sales, and retention. We have no idea what values to assign to those variables in order to even guess at the impact this one will have on the others.

        Then there's the effect of policy interactions. Is the goal to get more cash up front? To attract a different group to that membership? Both? Something else?

        If it's part of a long-term strategy, we couldn't guess if it's a smart business move even if we knew the numbers, since we don't know the strategy.

        We're making assessments based on the assumptions under which the forum was previously run. Operating from those, I could pretty well tell you what was a good idea and what wasn't. Now... not so much.

        Which also brings up the question: A good decision for who? The long-term members may well have different goals/expectations than the new owners. To the extent they might be in conflict, the answer could vary quite a lot.


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        • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          TG,I'm not entirely sure it is. It may be, but it's hardly certain at this point.

          If the goal is to reduce certain types of offers, that's relatively easy: Change the approval policy. Trying to do it by raising the cost of entry to the War Room may help and may not. Historically, that's not been an effective approach.

          Policy changes are much more reliable for that aspect. Assuming that's even a factor in this particular decision, which I don't know. It may well not be.

          As for the rest, it's math. At this point, we know some of the variables, but not all of them. We don't know the long-term strategy, assuming there is one. It may just be a test to see what happens. Nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but those can occasionally backfire.

          The main ones we do know the names of are traffic to the site, exposure to the offer, conversion rate of the initial ad, back end sales, and retention. We have no idea what values to assign to those variables in order to even guess at the impact this one will have on the others.

          Then there's the effect of policy interactions. Is the goal to get more cash up front? To attract a different group to that membership? Both? Something else?

          If it's part of a long-term strategy, we couldn't guess if it's a smart business move even if we knew the numbers, since we don't know the strategy.

          We're making assessments based on the assumptions under which the forum was previously run. Operating from those, I could pretty well tell you what was a good idea and what wasn't. Now... not so much.

          Which also brings up the question: A good decision for who? The long-term members may well have different goals/expectations than the new owners. To the extent they might be in conflict, the answer could vary quite a lot.


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          I've made an assumption. To me it sure looks like an opportunistic move to capitalize on the newbie wanna WSO craze. The price of admission for a new member went from $37 + $40 to $97 + $20.

          It's not that easy to see (or I'm too lazy to bother spending a lot of time looking) how many new members are coming here with their main objective being to run one or more WSOs. It's also pretty early in the game seeing that the War Room membership increase is only a couple of weeks old, if that.

          It's nothing scientific, but it seems to me overall participation is down, at least in the forums charging for ads. Though the WSO price drop seems to have brought out a lot of seasoned members. I keep wondering where the banners went. I've seen the info bar at the top of the screen but still haven't seen any new ads.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            TG,
            To me it sure looks like an opportunistic move to capitalize on the newbie wanna WSO craze.
            Maybe. Maybe it's intended to raise the bar, in the belief that this will result in "better" offers in that section. A lot of people have argued in favor of it for just that reason for a long time.

            Could be both. They're not mutually exclusive. They may believe that the same people who would have joined at $37 will at $97, but up their game when it comes to what they produce. They may also believe that raising the price on the WR membership will motivate MORE people to put out the smaller $20 fee and run WSOs.

            As far as new sales threads being down... it seems to me that this happens every year from late June to early/mid August. If that's right, the real measure would be comparing it to historical trends for this time of year, taking membership growth rates into account. More math for which I don't have the numbers.

            You can't look any more to see how many banner slots are filled. There are a few people who buy multiple slots in a day, so it can easily look like they're not selling when they're actually sold out.


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        • Profile picture of the author George Wright
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          TG,I'm not entirely sure it is. It may be, but it's hardly certain at this point.

          If it's part of a long-term strategy, we couldn't guess if it's a smart business move even if we knew the numbers, since we don't know the strategy.

          We're making assessments based on the assumptions under which the forum was previously run. Operating from those, I could pretty well tell you what was a good idea and what wasn't. Now... not so much.


          Paul
          Personally I think they bumped the price up for when they open up an affiliate program.

          With a $97 commission I'm sure it would be an offer sent out to many a list.

          Vendors would be offering bonuses to ones who joined under them. All of a sudden the "referrals" referred to in our CPs would mean something.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan3
    Honestly the war room used to be a good source of information but like alot of others said, now its just a hub for building lists. Until it gets less spammy its not worth it in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author djginter
    It seems to me that if revenue were an issue they would allow some regulated WSO promotion in the War Room. It costs money to do both (War Room Member + Launch A WSO), which benefits the forum with income.

    I really don't see what the harm is in mentioning that you have a WSO coming out, especially if some were genuinely interested. I can see it being a problem when it is spammed every five minutes, but if you mention it once then what's the harm in that? People make their own decisions whether they are going to make a purchase or not. Seems a counter-productive measure to pay to be a part of a special section of a forum and you can't mention a WSO that also brings in revenue to the same folks.

    As far as the hike in dough, one can only guess what the strategy is there. Maybe the guess that the man upstairs wants a more committed and serious War Room client is correct. I hope that is what the reason is, I can respect that. If it's purely revenue oriented I think it's a bit excessive considering the previous baseline. There are other effeciencies that would gain you in other areas. My 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author GforceSage
    People will vote with their wallets.

    Not sure I would want people holding out $20 bills going elsewhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author Recruitment Nick
    Since people seem to throwing their two cents in - my suggestion would be to simply divide the war room. Split it into a "freebies" section for members, and a discussion forum. This might bring back some of the more interesting discussions that are now very old and drowned by the freebies.
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  • Profile picture of the author JulieWhite
    That's a bad news for me. I was hoping for a WF membership in the not so distant future
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      George,
      Personally I think they bumped the price up for when they open up an affiliate program.
      Good point. I believe Matt mentioned that as a possibility.

      That could create some interesting outcomes.


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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I'll venture a guess on the price hike as well. It's no secret that they've aspired to promote WF as "the" place where top Internet Marketers go to discuss and launch products and that the WAMA is all part of this perceived upgrade in members and discussions.

    This upgrade in discussions isn't really evident in any of the forums. In some cases, it's the opposite. The main forum and some others are flooded with just joined members posting mostly nonsense. Some are asking legit questions, albeit really basic newb questions, but just as many are posting junk and quite a few of them are just link spammers.

    They put the WAMA threads/videos in the War Room and think that makes it kind of like the elite place to go to get expert advice. Problem is, I don't think the new price reflects the "quality" of the new members they are attracting. I don't think that most of them came for the WAMA discussions, nor do I think they can afford the $97 fee.

    I could of course, be completely wrong. No one knows what freelancer has in mind for the WF really... only some little clues here and there.
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  • Profile picture of the author aidenmia
    Now its rate is $97/Year, it okay. as I am a new here ,so I have no idea about the old price. I did not see the old price.
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  • Profile picture of the author wickid
    I was planning on joining the war room to launch a WSO this week but I was really shocked to see the price is almost 5 times what it was when Freelancer took over. If I had known they were planning on doing that price hike not even 3 months after announcing the $20 price tag I would have jumped on it earlier.

    Now I am debating even launching my product here.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by wickid View Post

      I was planning on joining the war room to launch a WSO this week but I was really shocked to see the price is almost 5 times what it was when Freelancer took over. If I had known they were planning on doing that price hike not even 3 months after announcing the $20 price tag I would have jumped on it earlier.

      Now I am debating even launching my product here.
      Well, you're in luck now. They just removed the requirement to join the War Room before running a WSO, so now you just pay the WSO listing fee.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...wso-rules.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    Suzanne is correct, you no longer need to be a War Room member in order to run a Warrior Special Offer (WSO). So the barrier to entry has been lessened.

    Here here is the quote from the new thread that Alaister started about the new WSO forum changes in case you missed it:

    Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

    Hi everyone,

    We are currently on the process of updating the rules for the WSO section. We have implemented two changes that are effective as of today. We are still going through and working on a whole new set of rules.

    Here are the two changes:

    1) WSO sellers no longer need to be part of the War Room - We have decided to remove the restriction on the WSO section where all sellers had to have access to War Room. We have done this in order to drive more activity in the WSO section and help you everyone launch their products. We have also increased the team we have approving WSOs to ensure the quality is maintained and kept at a high level. We have kept the $20 listing fee.

    2) You can promote your affiliate programs in your WSO threads - I want to help you guys make more sales and support your launches to be as successful as possible. You are now allowed to place a link at the bottom of your WSO to get more affiliates to sign up and promote that particular WSO. Please note: It must be a link people can use to promote your WSO in that post.

    Affiliate programs on their own still belong in the Affiliate Program Database.
    It will be interesting to see what kind of impact this will have on the WSO forum and how much quicker, if at all, will the offers be pushed off the first page.

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    • Originally Posted by Recruitment Nick View Post

      Since people seem to throwing their two cents in - my suggestion would be to simply divide the war room. Split it into a "freebies" section for members, and a discussion forum. This might bring back some of the more interesting discussions that are now very old and drowned by the freebies.
      Yes I would like more discussion threads. Most of the ones I can find that I'm interested in are old & links no longer work .
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      • Originally Posted by millionairesandie View Post

        Yes I would like more discussion threads. Most of the ones I can find that I'm interested in are old & links no longer work .
        At the current $97 price tag, even though a new subscriber will be able to connect with some awesome people in there it would be a good idea to clean up and reorganize the war room into something worthy of staying. New features, discussion threads, etc. Especially since the $97 is an annual fee. No one is going to stay in a membership if it has tons of dated threads / products, and as you say, links no longer work etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

          At the current $97 price tag, even though a new subscriber will be able to connect with some awesome people in there it would be a good idea to clean up and reorganize the war room into something worthy of staying. New features, discussion threads, etc. Especially since the $97 is an annual fee. No one is going to stay in a membership if it has tons of dated threads / products, and as you say, links no longer work etc.
          In the interview referred to in this thread, Matt Barrie hints at a couple of things in the pipeline that he's really excited about. Hopefully some sort of overhaul to the War Room is one of those things.
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  • Profile picture of the author ATAC
    I do not think and hope that "That doesn't apply to existing members "!
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    Yes, there are some valuable courses in the War Room for sure,
    but it needs a touch-up to get rid of broken links and such.

    Still worth it though.
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  • I want to see 100$ per wso launch and 50$ to bump, oh how things would be different.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjalvarez91
    I guess I'm lucky my subscription ends on 24th February 2033.
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  • Profile picture of the author lezzur
    WOW! What happened to the war room? Or actually, what happened to my subscription? I thought I was subscribed for 20 years or so. Did that just got blasted? What's up with that? What happened to the old subscriptions?
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  • Profile picture of the author rihan123
    I'm happy I joined when it was $20 or else I would not be able to afford the $97 one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rockmanfl
    I was thinking of joining the war room, but since the price has gone up quite a bit now, is it still really worth it??? I'm sure there are somethings in the war room that you can find that won't be available in the main room, so I'm still considering it.
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  • Profile picture of the author faisalmaximus
    So, I am lucky because I have subscription till 2032, this is really too much to pay $97 per year. Black Hat World has subscription fee of $97/year, is WF copying them ? If so, then nothing to say. According to me :

    * War Room Subscription should be $10 per year.
    * WSO Start up fee should be $100, Bump should be $50.

    Then there will remain some balance.
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    • Profile picture of the author wiifm
      I remember when I thought that $37 for a Lifetime Membership made me squirm while getting my credit card out, but now I am glad I did. The point being, the $97 price may seem high until you think of it as $8 a month with a 1 year commitment. I don't find something worth it every day, but other days it's priceless to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author extrememan
    I wasn't aware there was a price increase for the War room access. I bought mine awhile back for the 20 year access. I think it was $20 or $37 back then. Not to sure now..
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  • When it was $37 for lifetime access it was great value. For $97 a year, it is now a bit overpriced.

    At that price some advanced internet discussion needs to be encouraged.
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  • Profile picture of the author sagittarius
    I'm a War Room member but haven't joined for the WR access. The WF Premium membership lets me post my own WSO. In my opinion, having their membership price increased leaves more room for better, serious and high quality WSOs and rules out those who aren't serious enough to spend more in order to market high quality product launches.

    WF has been wearing the reputation being an IM forum crowded with a bunch of scammers. I think their move to increase the price is geared towards building more creadibility, by accepting only those who can commit to launching products that aren't cheap.

    $97 is expensive for me, so I'm quite hesitant to renew my subscription. Besides, I don't often use the War Room to download stuff from there. I'd only decide on my renewal once I come up with a great product to promote.

    UPDATE:
    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

    Well, you're in luck now. They just removed the requirement to join the War Room before running a WSO, so now you just pay the WSO listing fee.

    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...wso-rules.html
    Oh, didn't see that coming.
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    • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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      Originally Posted by sagittarius View Post

      I'm a War Room member but haven't joined for the WR access. The WF Premium membership lets me post my own WSO. In my opinion, having their membership price increased leaves more room for better, serious and high quality WSOs and rules out those who aren't serious enough to spend more in order to market high quality product launches.

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      I'd only decide on my renewal once I come up with a great product to promote.
      Hello,

      You no longer need to have a War Room membership to post WSOs.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...wso-rules.html

      Cheers

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