New here. Struggling to find a niche

10 years ago

Frustrated newbies often leads to people buying information after information and becoming far more overwhelmed than they started.

First piece of advice I would give is don't jump from one thing to the next.

rm Example are you trying to make money with clickbank Amazon or what affilate place if any?

Have you a plan written out and broke down exactly what you need to do

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jclee4

10 years ago

Originally Posted by ADavidson

Frustrated newbies often leads to people buying information after information and becoming far more overwhelmed than they started.

First piece of advice I would give is don't jump from one thing to the next.

rm Example are you trying to make money with clickbank Amazon or what affilate place if any?

Have you a plan written out and broke down exactly what you need to do

I'm trying amazon right now. Going through their bestsellers. That's what I have resorted to now.

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MarkPerez 10 years ago

Originally Posted by jclee4

I'm trying amazon right now. Going through their bestsellers. That's what I have resorted to now.

I don't think their best sellers will work. I found those items are always in need, but everybody already know about them; they can be bought anywhere; nothing new to say about them. What could be my selling point for a memory card? I would rather choose something with real value in certain live situation instead ...
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Ryan3

10 years ago

Well what i would suggest, is you buying a good quality course/ebook to learn how to do keyword research and setup your site. (Bring the fresh is good)

The Comp on Google keyword finder has nothing to do with the comp for the keyword unless your going to be doing ppc.

Markets are saturated, but you will always be able to find keywords no one is targeting. It may take awhile but it will be worth it. Just try and think outside the box.

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drr

10 years ago

A frustrated newbie...don't get many of those :/

I would really not get uber-obsessed with what keyword research tells you, helpful as it is. Ultimately, follow this basic plan and give yourself plenty of time to learn and earn...

1. If there is a generally broad niche that you like go with it - you should be able to use a myriad of tactics to get traffic and leads. Ensure you like the niche and will be able to work with it when things seem to get challenging. The niche should be large enough to have millions of prospects who SPEND MONEY.

2. Isolate and identify big money affiliate programs before doing major work. Forex for example can get you $200+ per first time deposit. That's good. Other niches you'll be scrapping with other marketers for pitiful ten buck commissions.

3. Think recurring - things like membership sites for example allow you to create a stable and recurring income once you find a group of clients and can produce content (or affiliate with a company that does).

4. Make sure you're in a growth niche.

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jclee4

10 years ago

Originally Posted by drr

A frustrated newbie...don't get many of those :/

I would really not get uber-obsessed with what keyword research tells you, helpful as it is. Ultimately, follow this basic plan and give yourself plenty of time to learn and earn...

1. If there is a generally broad niche that you like go with it - you should be able to use a myriad of tactics to get traffic and leads. Ensure you like the niche and will be able to work with it when things seem to get challenging. The niche should be large enough to have millions of prospects who SPEND MONEY.

2. Isolate and identify big money affiliate programs before doing major work. Forex for example can get you $200+ per first time deposit. That's good. Other niches you'll be scrapping with other marketers for pitiful ten buck commissions.

3. Think recurring - things like membership sites for example allow you to create a stable and recurring income once you find a group of clients and can produce content (or affiliate with a company that does).

4. Make sure you're in a growth niche.

I need to do research on this. Membership sites

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spencer garner

10 years ago

Hi, when using the google keyword tool the competition is for adwords, so if the competition is high in adwords it means there is high competition for paid advertising in google, this is a good thing as it shows people are paying to advertise and so people must be buying.

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jclee4

10 years ago

Originally Posted by spencer garner

Hi, when using the google keyword tool the competition is for adwords, so if the competition is high in adwords it means there is high competition for paid advertising in google, this is a good thing as it shows people are paying to advertise and so people must be buying.

So even if it says competition is high don't worry about that?

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spencer garner 10 years ago

Hi, it might be high comp in organic search but you will have to look at that as well but you want a niche that has buyers and a quick way to check before you go any further is to see if ads are running in googl, the more the better, if a nich has very few or 0 ads running its a good chance that you can find lots of free info online
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Alexa Smith

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by jclee4

How did you guys find your first niche.

I chose something I knew all about, was an enthusiast in, had a few suitable products available on ClickBank for me to promote, and it was something I could write articles about (that was absolutely essential for me, because that was always going to be how I'd get the traffic).

My niche selection had absolutely nothing to do with Google, keywords, searches, volumes, numbers of "competing sites" or anything else like that, at all.

If you've already decided that you want to be an affiliate marketer, I would think first about what your traffic-generation plan is going to be. You can't do anything without traffic. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

Originally Posted by jclee4

I want to find something that you can find on amazon and isn't too high priced but not too low.

This is just a question, and don't draw inferences from it or start making assumptions about why I'm asking, but why have you decided to start with Amazon? (I'm not saying you shouldn't: I do Amazon as well as ClickBank).

Have you read this thread? It might help/interest you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6608638

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jclee4

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I chose something I knew all about, was an enthusiast in, had a few suitable products available on ClickBank for me to promote, and it was something I could write articles about (that was absolutely essential for me, because that was always going to be how I'd get the traffic).

My niche selection had absolutely nothing to do with Google, keywords, searches, volumes, numbers of "competing sites" or anything else like that, at all.

If you've already decided that you want to be an affiliate marketer, I would think first about what your traffic-generation plan is going to be. You can't do anything without traffic. http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8659398

This is just a question, and don't draw inferences from it or start making assumptions about why I'm asking, but why have you decided to start with Amazon? (I'm not saying you shouldn't: I do Amazon as well as ClickBank).

Have you read this thread? It might help/interest you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6608638

Just very familiar with amazon. But I'm going to check out clickbank too. Which one do you prefer?

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Alexa Smith Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by jclee4

Just very familiar with amazon. But I'm going to check out clickbank too. Which one do you prefer?

(You don't really need to read this - just read the post from John, right above, again: it will doubtless help you far more than my comments ).

I make money from both, but honestly I prefer ClickBank. (That's about me, not about ClickBank, really!).

I started off with ClickBank only and didn't add Amazon until 3 years later. With hindsight, I'm still pleased I started with ClickBank.

However, the fact that you're "very familiar" with Amazon may be an argument in favor of your starting off that way; I do acknowledge that being very familiar with it is potentially a big plus, because Amazon works so very differently from any other kind of affiliate marketing opportunity, it seems to me, and "getting familiar" with it isn't always easy!
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IMToThePoint

10 years ago

Lets try and keep things simple. I will give you steps that I take when promoting a product on Amazon, for this example lets use a fictional product "Kickass Fat Workout Ball".

Now first things first, in general I will only promote an Amazon product if it has a good amount of reviews left from customers both positive and negative, in my opinion it pays to think outside the box and if you can try not to follow the herd. I tend to do my own thing.

1. Buy domain in niche, name related to workout balls

2. Install wordpress and install All-In-One SEO Plugin and setup a theme, free or paid theme your choice.

3. Going back to the product you are promoting on amazon look at the positive and negative reviews to get ideas for posts. i.e. someone may have left a comment saying "great exercise ball to build abs"

4. Create posts based on your research from reviews. For ideas on titles type in your keyword into google and use the suggestions, I typed in keywords exercise ball for abs and got google suggestion of "Best Exercise Ball For Abs", there I have my first title done and then simply create a review like post of a few different exercise balls.

5. Continue google suggestions and get ideas for more posts.

6. Drip feed your posts to update your wordpress site daily, you simply write the post and then set the time for when it gets published to the web.

7. Build out your site, for the exercise ball example alone I was able to see suggestions from people wanting

a. exercise ball workouts
b. workout ball dvd
c. exercise ball pump
d. exercise ball for yoga
e. exercise ball for pregnancy

So from finding one product, I can see from 5 minutes research that I could build out a blog site with related posts on the topic. I could create posts to help people do certain exercises using the ball, create reviews and promote numerous different balls for different tastes, promote workout dvds, mats etc.

People even looking for specific terms such as 9 Inch Exercise Ball, Purple Exercise Ball, 5lb Exercise Ball.

The list goes on and on.

So you can see by picking one product with both positive and negative reviews you can get ideas and build out a blog and help those in that particular niche.

Other options you can take are to include an optin box a build an email list for an ebook which could be Top 5 Exercises To Loose !!!!! you get the idea.

Hope this helps, if you want anything more explained or me to go other something again let me know.

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Chaudhary Daniyal

10 years ago

This is something that i use to generate profitable niches most of the times.

1. Head over to Flippa.com and then to 'Just Sold' section. Find the sites sold which were making money. Open those sites and study their sales page. Most of the sellers provide Google Analytics reports along with additional information regarding traffic. Find the sites making about $500+ per month with organic traffic. This is a winning Niche.
It gets organic traffic and is supported with Google analytics for (on avg) last 3 months.

2. Head over to Clickbank and look at the sub-categories one by one. Look for the sub-categories which have more than 1 product with a gravity of 10+ (Gravity is the amount of sales in the last week from different sellers) ! Don't choose a sub-category if first product has a 100 gravity and the rest have less than 0. You need a sub-category with atleast 4-5 products with a good gravity. This means that more than 1 product is popular and gives you option to sell something at the backend.. once you've made the initial sale.

Feel free to explore as much as you like. There are alternatives to Clickbank so you have a bigger pool to choose from.

Hope it helps.

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fahax 10 years ago

Hy Danial
Please to see paki here
would you eloborate this point that "how it possible that someone sold his site that already making money with tons of traffic"?
next how you pick niche that are ahead of competitors
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DTGeorge

10 years ago

Originally Posted by jclee4

I'm new to this forum and new to the IM world. Been ready everyday getring information overload each night lol. Spoke to a few very knowledgeable people on here that have given me some advice. I'm trying to get into and understand affliate marketing. I can't wait to make my first $1. I will be so happy lol. But right now I'm at the point where I need to find a niche and I'm struggling. I was told to write down a list of them.

I'm using the Google Keyword tool to look up searches. And everything I plug in either has too low competition with barely any searches. Or the searches are above 1000 and below 20000 but the competition is high. Even words that say the competition is low have like 14000 searches. I don't know what to use for my niche. I'm looking in areas and hobbies I'm familiar with first but things like fitness and health products. The market seems over saturated.

I've spent hours on this and now I'm getting frustrated. How did you guys find your first niche. I want to find something that you can find on amazon and isn't too high priced but not too low. This seems impossible.

I'm using the Google Keyword tool to look up searches

For now, please forget about "keywords" "SEO" and many of the hot words bandied about on this and other forums. They are of limited importance to your success, and even less so when starting out.

How did you guys find your first niche.

By doing something I both enjoyed and was good at. Which is exactly what you should do as well.

I'm trying to get into and understand affliate marketing

You're looking at things in entirely the wrong perspective.

The reason why I haven't tried to get into professional basketball (I'm 5"7) is the exact same reason why you shouldn't just get into an area because "it pays well"

Because YOUR skills, YOUR knowledge and YOUR abilities will be what drive your sales, and not how well it ranks for keywords.

Figure out what YOU are good at, what YOU can do well, and then use that knowledge, experience and skill to develop high quality content that will make people trust you.

AFTER you have identified this area and decided on a reason WHY people should buy from YOU, then you can begin worrying about driving traffic to your site.

(PS - I rank for keywords that I didn't even INTEND to rank on, simply because the number of comments and social shares told Google what I was saying was valuable/important)

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10 years ago

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JohnMcCabe

10 years ago

Here's a couple of thoughts on competition as reported by the GKP...

> High competition has a couple of meanings. It could be a handful to a dozen companies in a bidding war for clicks. It could also mean several dozen companies lined up for ads. The only way to tell for sure is to do a search on the keyword and watch the Adwords column. Keep clicking deeper until the ads either stop or start to repeat. You can repeat this a couple of times at various times of day.

High cost per click coupled with longer running ads means there is money to be made.

Tons of advertisers with a constantly changing cast of characters usually means no one can figure out how to make money.

> Open each ad URL and look at how they approach things. What are they offering, and who do you think they are offering it to? For example, is the product (since you mentioned Amazon) aimed at 20-something hipsters? Middle-aged empty nesters? Men or women? What is their big selling point (their USP)? Take notes as you go.

Go to Amazon (or your vendor of choice), and look at what's on offer. Read the product descriptions and the reviews, both positive and negative. Again, take notes as you go.

Scan a number of forums and Facebook pages/groups related to what your chosen product does. On vendor pages, read the comments and posts, noting what kind of people appear to be posting (back to the demographic groups). What turns them on or off? What do they wish for that they haven't found?

Now close your browser and open your brain. Look for common themes. Look for gaps. Can you offer one or more groups something they want but haven't found (but you have)?

If you want to get a little more hard core, visit a sample of the FB pages of people you find on product or company pages. What else are they into? What do they rant about?

All of this info will help you build what's called an "ideal customer avatar." Your avatar will help guide you down your path as you select specific products and decide how to present (pre-sell) them to your chosen niche.

I know that's a lot more involved than simply entering a keyword in a tool and applying some arbitrary rule to decide what's good or bad, but the days of finding that keyword, buying a matching domain and slapping up a few pages of content are gone.

If you do follow this process, or one like it, congratulations. You'll graduate from keyword hunting to real market research. You'll be a real marketer, not just another keyword mechanic following rigid rules without knowing why.

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jclee4

10 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Here's a couple of thoughts on competition as reported by the GKP...

> High competition has a couple of meanings. It could be a handful to a dozen companies in a bidding war for clicks. It could also mean several dozen companies lined up for ads. The only way to tell for sure is to do a search on the keyword and watch the Adwords column. Keep clicking deeper until the ads either stop or start to repeat. You can repeat this a couple of times at various times of day.

High cost per click coupled with longer running ads means there is money to be made.

Tons of advertisers with a constantly changing cast of characters usually means no one can figure out how to make money.

> Open each ad URL and look at how they approach things. What are they offering, and who do you think they are offering it to? For example, is the product (since you mentioned Amazon) aimed at 20-something hipsters? Middle-aged empty nesters? Men or women? What is their big selling point (their USP)? Take notes as you go.

Go to Amazon (or your vendor of choice), and look at what's on offer. Read the product descriptions and the reviews, both positive and negative. Again, take notes as you go.

Scan a number of forums and Facebook pages/groups related to what your chosen product does. On vendor pages, read the comments and posts, noting what kind of people appear to be posting (back to the demographic groups). What turns them on or off? What do they wish for that they haven't found?

Now close your browser and open your brain. Look for common themes. Look for gaps. Can you offer one or more groups something they want but haven't found (but you have)?

If you want to get a little more hard core, visit a sample of the FB pages of people you find on product or company pages. What else are they into? What do they rant about?

All of this info will help you build what's called an "ideal customer avatar." Your avatar will help guide you down your path as you select specific products and decide how to present (pre-sell) them to your chosen niche.

I know that's a lot more involved than simply entering a keyword in a tool and applying some arbitrary rule to decide what's good or bad, but the days of finding that keyword, buying a matching domain and slapping up a few pages of content are gone.

If you do follow this process, or one like it, congratulations. You'll graduate from keyword hunting to real market research. You'll be a real marketer, not just another keyword mechanic following rigid rules without knowing why.

Very..very interesting. Thank you my friend. I'm learning so much here.

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jclee4

10 years ago

Guys I appreciate all this help. Going to try to put all this into practice

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Andre Slater

10 years ago

I wouldn't let it get to you. I don't believe that there is some hidden niche that no one knows about that is making people a massive amount of income and if there is then nobody will say anything about it...

The top 3 niches are health, wealth, and relationships

My suggestion is to pick something your passionate about. Something that you can talk about with someone for 5 minutes straight. Then check to see if that niche is profitable or find one that is very similar that is profitable.

If not then stick with health, wealth, or relationships and dig deep.
If you can find an exact domain match for keyword that has great traffic then you probably found that golden egg your looking for.

or you can do it in reverse...
1. Find the product
2. Find the Target Audience
3. Find out there struggles

Find the niche out of the stuggles and challenges or what they call "Desperate Niches"

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EA

10 years ago

I see you are having problems to find niches you and everyone who needs help finding a niche simple send me a private message through this forum and I will help you out. Life is about giving and helping.

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pbarbanes

10 years ago

Wow, FANTASTIC advice given in this thread! Not much for me to add, but coincidentally today I had just come across this post from fellow Warrior Steve Browne. A Business Key: Selling Into Demand . Might help a bit. : )

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JordanAlexo

10 years ago

What do you like doing? That's the first question you should ask yourself. Don't listen to anyone else. Some people will tell you, weight loss niche others, how to make money online etc.

They're all good but will you feel motivated to write hours and hours of content for it? Probably not!

So, find a niche that you like. Let's say, golf then from there specialize in one area. For instance, how to swing a golf club. It certainly will have less competition. Also, make sure there is a market for it. Before, you put your hands into the dirt.

Once you have something that you're passionate about; with a decent market; that is focused. Create a website, content and a product; or affiliate to one.

You're probably going after what everyone in this forum is suggestion. Therefore, you only find highly competitive markets. Many times, you passion might be less competitive and also profitable.

I also did the same mistake when I started out. Ended up, building a website related to mobiles. I never had a mobile in my life and felt terrible bored writing about it. Guess what happened? Not much, just a waste of time.

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jclee4

10 years ago

Originally Posted by JordanAlexo

What do you like doing? That's the first question you should ask yourself. Don't listen to anyone else. Some people will tell you, weight loss niche others, how to make money online etc.

They're all good but will you feel motivated to write hours and hours of content for it? Probably not!

So, find a niche that you like. Let's say, golf then from there specialize in one area. For instance, how to swing a golf club. It certainly will have less competition. Also, make sure there is a market for it. Before, you put your hands into the dirt.

Once you have something that you're passionate about; with a decent market; that is focused. Create a website, content and a product; or affiliate to one.

You're probably going after what everyone in this forum is suggestion. Therefore, you only find highly competitive markets. Many times, you passion might be less competitive and also profitable.

I also did the same mistake when I started out. Ended up, building a website related to mobiles. I never had a mobile in my life and felt terrible bored writing about it. Guess what happened? Not much, just a waste of time.

My passion is bodybuilding/fitness. But that market seems saturated. Unless I really dig deep and try to find a niche in it. Like I mentioned when I did the google keyword search I saw mid 1500 to 10000 on niches I was looking into. But each read competition is high. But from I learned from experienced people on this thread is that I'm looking at it the wrong way. I have to rethink this and use the strategies offered by everyone on here.

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Rhadoo7

10 years ago

I started with a niche that I was passionate about, and that is Fitness/Bodybuilding.

And even though the competition is very high, there is still place for new people, as long as you offer quality information and promote quality products.

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James1212

10 years ago

Good morning,
I was having the same problem, I had content block big time. I soon discovered that that market is overloaded with everything you think of. Any thing can be sold with enough traffic and hard work, that is the truth. I would never think it is a breeze, get your mindset in a good place and do a niche you know and start there. You will make mistakes it's part of the game, then course correct.
I'm here to chat I anytime.
You could consider a coach, it's cost but might be worth your time.
I use http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...=Anthony+rocca.
I'm not saying you should go that route but check it out, or give a shout anytime.
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Romina82

10 years ago

The best way to select a niche can involve different steps, the first however is whether you want your site to be something work with (aka replace your day job) or something just to make money with.

After deciding that:

a. find a niche that has multiple long tailed keywords you can use for directing traffic
b. check what your competition is doing on various sites and blogs
c. check out affiliate marketplaces, and see whether you selected category has people buying it (no sales = no money for you)

That's the basics of it so far.

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vickss

10 years ago

Follow people who first struggled to earn online but now making a decent online income month after month e.g. spencer of niche pursuits. You could get lots of information through his blog. Else you can visit flipa, ezine and other platforms to get a feed keyword to spot your niche.

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gjabiz

10 years ago

700,000 Warriors.

Freelance has 11 million or so users.

FaceBook, GADzillions.

My Top Secret Niche:

What do they have in common?

WF for example. ONLY interested in IM money making?
Are you? ONLY interested in just that?

The answer is...

I don't look for niches, for customers, for clients, for dollar signs...

I find PEOPLE,

And offer a product to them which .... now hold your breathe...

Which appeals to them WHERE they are at.

PEOPLE are my niche.

WF? Yes, money making products.

Work at Home Moms/Dads? Many Amazon things to sell them.

Gamers? Mechanics? The lonely?

If you get this:

Meet people on their paths, let them run over you, and you are both glad they did...

then you will have no problems with niches.

Serve people, they'll prosper you.

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Edwin Torres

10 years ago

Is this for SEO?

Here are the BIG niches:

*Health
*Relationships
*Forex/Money
*Internet Marketing

From there I'd try to target longtail keywords like how to [XYZ], ways to [XYZ] and variations of that.

You can get ideas by slowly typing in your keyword into Google and seeing the results it puts up...

Hope that helps :-)

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jclee4

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Edwin Torres

Is this for SEO?

Here are the BIG niches:

*Health
*Relationships
*Forex/Money
*Internet Marketing

From there I'd try to target longtail keywords like how to [XYZ], ways to [XYZ] and variations of that.

You can get ideas by slowly typing in your keyword into Google and seeing the results it puts up...

Hope that helps :-)

I'm going to try that too. Thanks man

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nicholasb

10 years ago

you are setting yourself up for failure, whoever taught you how to search for niches like that should be slapped.

I found my first niche going in to clickbank, looking for the most popular products that were selling the most and had the most competition and went in head first.

The more competition the better the niche.

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Jen Eick

10 years ago

Good advice here, I would add, Just pick something you are interested in - a passion you have or talent or something you are already successful at, OR something you want to learn about...and analyze Clickbank, etc to see if it's profitable. But don't do what I did for so long and put so much effort and research and worry into actually FINDING a niche, that you never get anything started :-) Just my two cents.

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NoMoreWords

10 years ago

I didn't take the time to really read what all of you wrote, so I'm shooting a bit in the dark here.

If you don't know, Market Samurai [still] offers an extended 40 day trial. The keyword research tool in the program is based on Google Adwords data, but it also offers you an insight on the competition for every keyword. DO NOT PAY ATTENTION to Google Keyword Tool competition, that's an entirely different thing.

With Market Samurai you will easily be able to find your niche. However, all of the researching is going to take time. It's not like you'll be done in an hour. For newbie marketers it takes several days of research until they find a niche that has both money and easy to get traffic in it. It's not easy, but if you go through the struggles, you will learn a lot.

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daym

10 years ago

Try to look around in Youtube and Google bro. You can get some awesome ideas from Facebook as well! If you aren't that good enough to find niches manually, you can buy the membership for Niche Reaper and find some niches easily

I highly recommend them, I have used them before!

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Caitlinz

10 years ago

Adwords competition has nothing to do with keyword competitiveness. It means there are more advertisers who are willing to pay for advertising. From what i read, i believe you are into amazon associate program. Find out 10-15 related products in the same niche and promote it using your website. Find out all relevant product buyer keywords and add unique content for them. Hopefully, you'll make your first commission within a few days.

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