How to Hire Ghostwriters for Kindle Publishing?

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So I'm back to pick everyone's brains now. I'm looking to hire some ghostwriters to write some kindle short stories for me, but I'm a bit overwhelmed at the moment. I'm hoping some people have experience with this here and can help with the following questions.

1. How much to pay ghostwriters?

It seems like the prices are all over the place on elance. From 30 to 200 for similar things. Anyone know a good base starting price for ghostwriting 5000 wordish stories?

2. Should you let the author use their own name?

Is there any downside to letting the author use their name, or should you always create your own author names.

3. How to deal with contracts?

I've seen numerous contracts online but I'm not sure how to make them legal. Should you request the contract be signed, scanned and sent to you, or is there way to do this electronically?

Any other helpful info from people who have gone down this road before would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Emily Walker
    If you want to sell the book then you should buy rights from them and have them sign a non-disclosure. There can be a lot of problems when you are selling something they wrote with their name on it. A ghost writer should be anonymous. When I first started writing and before I was published I wrote for a man who paid me .5 a word. It is hard to find a decent writer for too inexpensive. I hope that helps you out some.
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  • Profile picture of the author aidenmia
    You can take an eye on the Warriors For Hire or, Odesk or freelancer. there are so many writer, you can hire any good write. Payment may be varied by the writer to write. If you hire an Native speaker his rate may high, on the other hand if you hire non native speaker his rate may low. Copyright will be or you.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    It is work for hire. No need for the writer to use his or her name.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
    1. I think anything below $500 means a poor writer, or in best case scenario someone who's selling themselves short. ($30, seriously?) I mean, I wouldn't write for anything less than that amount of money, especially fiction which is something that requires imagination, not just rewriting other people's ideas and adding your own twist, like in the case of articles.

    2. Since this is ghostwriting, you should probably just use a pen name.
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    • Profile picture of the author ThinhH
      Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

      1. I think anything below $500 means poor writer, or in best case scenario someone who's selling themselves short. ($30, seriously?) I mean, I wouldn't write for anything less than that amount of money, especially fiction which is something that requires imagination, not just rewriting other people's ideas and adding your own twist, like in the case of articles.

      2. Since this is ghostwriting, you should probably just use a pen name.
      I agree with most of what you are saying; however, I disagree with your statement,
      "anything below $500 means poor writer". If you look at many Indian or Kenyan
      writers and their profiles, they pass most of the exams or test with an exceptional
      percentage of accuracy.

      I personally hired a Kenyan writer at a really low price to work for me. The work is
      not as good as I expected, but it does not mean that it applies to all writers. Many
      people have recommended me Indian writers. So, I believe they are very reliable
      and you should have a look at them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
        Originally Posted by ThinhH View Post

        I agree with most of what you are saying; however, I disagree with your statement, "anything below $500 means poor writer".
        The complete sentence is:

        Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post

        I think anything below $500 means a poor writer, or in best case scenario someone who's selling themselves short.
        No offense, but I don't like my words to be quoted selectively.


        Originally Posted by ThinhH View Post

        If you look at many Indian or Kenyan writers and their profiles, they pass most of the exams or test with an exceptional percentage of accuracy.
        Their level of English grammar knowledge isn't indicative of their ability to write fiction. Fiction requires imagination, before anything else. This is not article writing.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    Try the Warrior for hire section and make a list of questions you want to ask those who reply. You can check out anybody who replies to see if they have testimonials or websites to back up their credentials.

    As an example, I was hired yesterday to do a job by a fellow warrior who took the time to check out my website and read testimonials before contacting me. Then we chatted on Skype.

    Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author tedsams
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    • Profile picture of the author Generalbrock
      Thanks for all the great replies. I really suspected that 30 dollars was ridiculously low. I never even thought to look into the warriors for hire. I'll check that out too.
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      • Profile picture of the author TinkBD
        Even though you didn't ask about this, I am replying for other folks who may read this thread ;-)

        Since this seems to involve fiction, make sure that YOU know the genre you are asking them to write... otherwise you risk missing the boat completely in terms of story and the technical aspects. If you aren't meeting the readers' expectations... well, not good! ;-)

        I think outsourcing fiction can be done, but I also think that it is one of the few issues that traditional publishing has an advantage over indies...

        1) Trad has more $$ to spend so can afford to hire experts who can match an established author's style if needed

        2) Some of the folks involved will likely know the genre and sub-sub-genre well enough to recognize if there are issues... Also, the ghostwriter hired will likely know as well...

        And of course, the elephant in the room...

        In most popular fiction sub-genres, Series or Serials are the most successful business model.

        Outsourcing may make it difficult to handle the details of a series/serial -- continuity, series/serial arc, and author voice.

        I do have a *very* small number of friends who are doing this, but they are handling the outsourcing strategically...

        I lack the patience, myself lolol
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  • Profile picture of the author mialove
    I don't agree about 500$ for 5k short.
    You can find great writers for much less.

    It's not that easy...actually, its a very time confusing.
    For every 35 samples that i browse , there is just one that are good.
    A lot of terrible writers on those sites, they are don't know to write , just wanna make quick $$

    So, prepare for a long process.
    I use a lot of ghost writers, as i can't write anything by myself, because of my very poor English.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zanesta
    You get what you pay for, there's a wide variation of prices writers offer (from personal experience). You can get a writer to write for $2 / 500 words and you get a writer that charges $50-100 per 500 words per article!

    End of the day, depends on the quality you want. Good luck
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  • Profile picture of the author mubashir
    Its all depends on how much you want to spend.. I use some native article writers who charged 5$ per 500 words. I think maximum 10$ per 500 words would be enough and you will find quality writer in this budget.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
      Originally Posted by mialove View Post

      I don't agree about 500$ for 5k short.
      You can find great writers for much less.
      Originally Posted by mubashir View Post

      Its all depends on how much you want to spend.. I use some native article writers who charged 5$ per 500 words. I think maximum 10$ per 500 words would be enough and you will find quality writer in this budget.
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  • Profile picture of the author mialove
    But he asked about creative writing, and not about articles. It's different prices.
    You can get great writers for 90$ -5k words for creative writing.
    I only work with native speakers .
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  • Profile picture of the author mialove
    We interrupt this program to announce that a new law has just been passed which says story writers will from now on be considered slaves on plantation. They will work for free and must stay in their rooms, working, at all times. In case they fail to meet the 24-hour deadline for each new story they are required to write, they will be beheaded.
    I get your ironic tone, but i also can show you a sample of the writing

    I would defently pay 500$ for short story for kindle, if it was so easy to make the investment back. (and it's not....)
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    • Profile picture of the author positivenegative
      OP, good luck. You're going to need it.

      Don't you realise that any half decent fiction writer worth his/her salt will be writing for themselves, and NOT pimping their abilities for a pittance to make someone else a success on the back of their efforts.

      I understand that in the online world you can outsource just about anything, but really decent writers - fiction writers in particular - simply won't be looking for work if they have a real talent.

      You're treading a minefield when you enter the field of hiring wordsmiths. A "needle in a haystack" is an understatement.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
      Originally Posted by mialove View Post

      I get your ironic tone, but i also can show you a sample of the writing
      I'm intrigued. Show me a sample (via p.m., if you want.)
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by mialove View Post


      I would defently pay 500$ for short story for kindle, if it was so easy to make the investment back. (and it's not....)
      ROI is definitely one point that hasn't been discussed and you're absolutely right in raising it.
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  • Profile picture of the author N4PGW
    Originally Posted by Generalbrock View Post

    I'm looking to hire some ghostwriters to write some kindle short stories for me,

    1. How much to pay ghostwriters?
    Often they charge by the page. Prices vary depending on the writer. Tiffany Dow used to charge about $10 per page, it may be more now.

    It seems like the prices are all over the place on elance. From 30 to 200 for similar things. Anyone know a good base starting price for ghostwriting 5000 wordish stories?
    Different writers have different qualities of writing. How much should I pay for a car?

    2. Should you let the author use their own name?
    NEVER. They aren't a ghost if they use their name.
    Once they have written it, you own all the rights. They must destroy any copies they have on their computer. Usually they sign a non-disclosure statement and a transfer of rights.
    Ghost writers are like laborers in a factory. They are paid for their time, you are paid for the product.

    Is there any downside to letting the author use their name, or should you always create your own author names.
    If they are ghost writers, you are the author.

    If you bought a PLR book, you have the right to edit it anyway you want and put your name on it. You can even leave it as-is, if you like. But you don't have exclusive rights. Someone else can buy the same PLR and put their name on it as well and neither of you can claim copyright infringement.

    If you hire someone to write for you, you purchase EXCLUSIVE rights, meaning that you own all the rights to the product and can leave it the same, edit it, put your own title on it and claim authorship.

    If you want to publish and sell someone else's work with their name on it, you have "Resale Rights" Which means you cannot edit the item or put your name on it. Credit belongs to them and you must abide by their rules. In some cases, you are required to pay royalties, such as Amazon does for it's authors. In other cases, you keep all the money you sell it for.

    What you are doing is hiring someone to work for you. You own all the rights, and you need to make sure you have those rights. At Odesk and eLance, I think their electronic submissions are accepted as just that, without a fax or mailed copy.

    As for the author's names, you can optionally use a pen name. If you are writing in multiple genres, you will want to use a different pen name in the different genres. If you write survival guides for preppers and militia and you also write children's books, you would not want someone looking for children's books being scared off by your survival guides.
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  • Profile picture of the author stephanreek
    On odesk you can find some really cheap and good writers. My whole amazon kindle campaign is based on those writers. You can find some writers for 5-10 dollars who are pretty good writers but just started so they need some feedback thats why most of the time they write for not much money. If you really like someone you can start paying him more.
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