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WF announced the release of Warrior Payments.
You can visit it @ WarriorPayments.com

What is Warrior Payments?
- In a nutshell, Warrior Payments an all-in-one payments, analytics, affiliate marketing and distribution platform

Does it have any competition?
Yes, There is bunch of them.
Most popular ones are:
- JVzoo
-Warrior Plus


Edit: Here is my latest review of the system. ( July 23/ 2014 )
1. There is no proper funnel system.
2. Idk how to offer an OTO on here.
3. Allows Instant payments to affiliates.. ( scares me )
4. System wants review of the product RIGHT AFTER the purchase....
How can someone review the product 1 second after buying it? Maybe allow people to review AFTER 3-4 days?
5. Lacks few major list building platforms.
6. Limits PayPal only for payment source. Should add other platforms as well.
7. Did not see some-sort of Terms of Service which explains refunds etc for WP.

Final thoughts : We can't come to conclusion right away because JVzoo, W+ both had issues when they started out, so it will take some time for WP to grab large percentage of the market, but for now : I don't think people would mind paying more % and better service.

Bigger question is, Right now WF allows JVzoo and W+ at this point... but in future, once WP is stable , WF might make it mandatory to use WP. Then that would take a big chunk of wso market.

What questions do you guys have? We can help WF management team by giving constructive criticism
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  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    I think some of the other marketplaces are going to have to lower their prices or they risk losing a lot of business. When I eventually get around to creating my own products, Warrior Payments will be a serious contender.
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  • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
    It does have lower fees, that's good but it's still a basic version of warriorplus, Jvzoo etc...

    It'll take some time and much improvement feature wise but it'll take off i'm sure about that.

    Still a great job to add this new platform!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by aire View Post

    What do you guys think of this new tool?

    Don't you think it's a little early to be asking this question?

    I would hope you would form an opinion only after you had actually tried it out.

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    • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Don't you think it's a little early to be asking this question?

      I would hope you would form an opinion only after you had actually tried it out.

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      I use Wplus for my WSOs but I've got other products that ARENT WSOs and I'm going to try out Warrior Payments with 1 or 2 of those.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alaister
        Originally Posted by XponentSYS View Post

        I use Wplus for my WSOs but I've got other products that ARENT WSOs and I'm going to try out Warrior Payments with 1 or 2 of those.
        Let us know your feedback once you've used Warrior Payments
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketingBees
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Don't you think it's a little early to be asking this question?

      I would hope you would form an opinion only after you had actually tried it out.

      Steve
      I'm not sure you have to actually put it into practice to see that it lacks an array of features that many find essential?
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  • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
    Hello everyone

    We're pretty excited about the launch and think that this will certainly change the industry.

    Thanks for the feedback so far. We have a large team here that will be iterating quickly on the product and improving the feature set based upon your feedback.

    Regards
    Matt
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    • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
      Originally Posted by mattbarrie View Post

      Hello everyone

      We're pretty excited about the launch and think that this will certainly change the industry.

      Thanks for the feedback so far. We have a large team here that will be iterating quickly on the product and improving the feature set based upon your feedback.

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      For the love of god. PLEASR build in support for re-occurring subscription payments so I can use affiliates to promote my continuity based memberships on the forum using affiliates. (I want to offer a split of the monthly residual).

      This is a feature lots of us want but has been in "coming soon" limbo for waaaaaaay too long with the other big players here.
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      • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
        Originally Posted by XponentSYS View Post

        For the love of god. PLEASR build in support for re-occurring subscription payments so I can use affiliates to promote my continuity based memberships on the forum using affiliates. (I want to offer a split of the monthly residual).

        This is a feature lots of us want but has been in "coming soon" limbo for waaaaaaay too long with the other big players here.
        Subscription payments is at the top of our list, we'll be releasing that shortly.
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        • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
          Originally Posted by mattbarrie View Post

          Subscription payments is at the top of our list, we'll be releasing that shortly.
          If you do that, you've got me..... and many others I'm sure.
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        • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
          And integration with membership sites as well? HUURRYYYY!

          Originally Posted by mattbarrie View Post

          Subscription payments is at the top of our list, we'll be releasing that shortly.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alaister
            Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

            And integration with membership sites as well? HUURRYYYY!
            Yeh this is something we'll be looking to add also.
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      • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
        Originally Posted by XponentSYS View Post

        For the love of god. PLEASR build in support for re-occurring subscription payments so I can use affiliates to promote my continuity based memberships on the forum using affiliates. (I want to offer a split of the monthly residual).

        This is a feature lots of us want but has been in "coming soon" limbo for waaaaaaay too long with the other big players here.
        Pretty sure JV Zoo added it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Crosseyed
        Originally Posted by XponentSYS View Post

        For the love of god. PLEASR build in support for re-occurring subscription payments so I can use affiliates to promote my continuity based memberships on the forum using affiliates. (I want to offer a split of the monthly residual).

        This is a feature lots of us want but has been in "coming soon" limbo for waaaaaaay too long with the other big players here.

        I agree 100% this is a must for me to offer my products also.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alaister
          Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

          Then how can you create a WSO w/out using Warrior Payments? All the create WSO links take you there.

          -g
          Originally Posted by Rob Whisonant View Post

          Once WP is up and fully working with the features I need, I will love the low 2% price. Just can't use it as it sits now.

          How do you bypass warrior payments and use another method when creating a new WSO? I don't see a way to do that.

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          Rob Whisonant

          You can create a WSO directly from this link

          http://www.warriorforum.com/newthrea...newthread&f=17

          Hi Ron - What features would get you using Warrior Payments?
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            You can create a WSO directly from this link

            http://www.warriorforum.com/newthrea...newthread&f=17

            Hi Ron - What features would get you using Warrior Payments?
            Alaister, for me, I would need to be able to post the sales information to my own script as well as refund data.

            I sell software... the activation and deactivation of my programs are based on sales records. Not only that, but my members area unlocks downloads depending on what the person purchased.




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          • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            You can create a WSO directly from this link

            http://www.warriorforum.com/newthrea...newthread&f=17

            Hi Ron - What features would get you using Warrior Payments?
            Thanks for the link. What I need is the following.

            1. Recurring payments
            2. Sale info, refunds and cancellations being able to be posted back to a script on my site. Must pass the purchasers name, email address and product ID at a minimum.

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          • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
            Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

            You can create a WSO directly from this link

            http://www.warriorforum.com/newthrea...newthread&f=17

            Hi Ron - What features would get you using Warrior Payments?

            And where exactly does a user find that link from the main WSO section? There is a giant red button to create a new offer/thread, but it doesn't go to the link you've posted here.
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    Let's see how quick the questions in the WAMA thread get answered
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    I may have missed it, but does this allow you to refuse affiliates, or to put some on delayed payments?

    If not, it's going to be a magnet for the Chinese CC scammers and a source of huge chargebacks for sellers.


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    Don't allow the star rating until after a buyer actually has time to review the product. Maybe throttle the feedback option for 3-7 days after purchase.
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    I think it'll be pretty good for the consumers. Especially the feedback option
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    The instant affiliate payments are going to be a nightmare If the seller gets blasted with refunds.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    How's this going to impact Warrior Forum signature spam?

    Your advertising affiliates can post their affiliate links anyplace.

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    Promote your affiliate link everywhere you can
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    I've already asked about this a WEEK after Freelancer took over WF. To be honest, you could see it a mile away. It is the next logical progression for WF. I see it growing into an INTEGRATED media company. Of course, this means a lot of the old ways have to disappear or change with the times. I'm sure people will adapt.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Suggestion… Allow payment to Payoneer accounts or direct to checking accounts, presumably with some delay and reserve, and an additional fee. This adds flexibility for sellers, and may solve some problems for folks who don’t have or want to use Paypal.

    I love the reviews by paying customers aspect. That is something we could never do before, because the forum wasn’t part of the transaction. That is a big draw to this system, as it discourages the trolls.


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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Unless the troll is buying, nuking the product in a review, and then refunding.

      (Notice downloading and actually reading the product is not in the mix.)

      I went in to check it out and had some problems. Needed to turn off my ad blocker for a product to go through. Then, looking at the WSO section I was surprised to see banner ads across the WSO section. When did that start?

      ---

      Going back and editing a product after it has been submitted, I see the autoresponder selection did not stick and needs to be redone.

      Related - for a second product when want to connect AWeber, I have to log into AWeber again. A bit of a pain.

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      As a seller, really need a link to send affiliates to so they can sign up and get commissions. Didn't see that anywhere. Maybe I missed it.

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      Affiliate commissions can go down to 1%. But Warrior Forum affiliate commissions have a minimum of 50%.




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      • Profile picture of the author writeaway
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        Unless the troll is buying, nuking the product in a review, and then refunding.

        (Notice downloading and actually reading the product is not in the mix.)

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        True. Plus, leakage to the countless WSO blackhat sites out there.

        Maybe there should be a free add-on service offered by Freelancer to scour the web for blackhat copies of digital copies of items in the WP marketplace.

        Everyone wins this way: the affiliates, the seller, and the integrity of the marketplace
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      • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        Unless the troll is buying, nuking the product in a review, and then refunding.

        (Notice downloading and actually reading the product is not in the mix.)

        I went in to check it out and had some problems. Needed to turn off my ad blocker for a product to go through. Then, looking at the WSO section I was surprised to see banner ads across the WSO section. When did that start?

        ---

        Going back and editing a product after it has been submitted, I see the autoresponder selection did not stick and needs to be redone.

        Related - for a second product when want to connect AWeber, I have to log into AWeber again. A bit of a pain.

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        As a seller, really need a link to send affiliates to so they can sign up and get commissions. Didn't see that anywhere. Maybe I missed it.

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        Affiliate commissions can go down to 1%. But Warrior Forum affiliate commissions have a minimum of 50%.


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    • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Suggestion... Allow payment to Payoneer accounts or direct to checking accounts, presumably with some delay and reserve, and an additional fee. This adds flexibility for sellers, and may solve some problems for folks who don't have or want to use Paypal.

      I love the reviews by paying customers aspect. That is something we could never do before, because the forum wasn't part of the transaction. That is a big draw to this system, as it discourages the trolls.

      Paul
      We already have Payoneer setup for Freelancer.com so that is certainly something we can look at.
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      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Suggestion... Allow payment to Payoneer accounts or direct to checking accounts, presumably with some delay and reserve, and an additional fee. This adds flexibility for sellers, and may solve some problems for folks who don't have or want to use Paypal.

      I love the reviews by paying customers aspect. That is something we could never do before, because the forum wasn't part of the transaction. That is a big draw to this system, as it discourages the trolls.


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      Thanks Paul, i really go with your suggestion. I'm yet to launch a paid wso because my paypal account is not eligible to receive payments yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author GlenH
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Suggestion... Allow payment to Payoneer accounts or direct to checking accounts, presumably with some delay and reserve, and an additional fee. This adds flexibility for sellers, and may solve some problems for folks who don't have or want to use Paypal.

      Paul
      I think that is a great idea to allow direct deposit into bank accounts

      As a vendor of multiple products, I have 4 Clickbank accounts, and all my commissions /payment are direct deposited into my Australian bank account.

      No checks, which can take 4 to 6 weeks to clear.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by GlenH View Post

        I think that is a great idea to allow direct deposit into bank accounts

        As a vendor of multiple products, I have 4 Clickbank accounts, and all my commissions /payment are direct deposited into my Australian bank account.

        No checks, which can take 4 to 6 weeks to clear.
        An option to receive payments directly to a bank account, would be a game changer IMO. If they can do something like that, it would be awesome.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          Alex,
          An option to receive payments directly to a bank account, would be a game changer IMO.
          No question.

          It would settle a lot of problems for people who can't/don't want to use Paypal, and make things a LOT easier for a lot of people.

          Set it up through Payoneer, and things get cool. The reps from there who are members (Nissim comes to mind) would likely be thrilled to have the extra business.

          Make things easier for our Indian members. A lot of these folks are incredibly loyal and have been for many years. Make an effort for them, and they will respond in kind.

          Ignoring them would be a VERY bad idea.


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        • Profile picture of the author XponentSYS
          Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

          An option to receive payments directly to a bank account, would be a game changer IMO. If they can do something like that, it would be awesome.
          That'd be done 1 of 2 ways.....

          1. They'd have to process your payments through THEIR merchant account and TGEN they could ACH the money to your bank. This is essentially how PayPal works. They'd basically become a payment PROCESSOR like PayPal.

          Or.....

          2. They could add the option to connect your Warrior Payment account to YOUR OWN merchant account (using Authorize.net for example).

          Number 1 could be quite an undertaking and may be a game they're not looking to get into but number 2 could be much easier done.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    It should have a CC scrub database to block scammers. Also, some sort of IDENTITY VERIFICATION before people get paid affiliate commissions.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    Brian,

    That’s a problem with the “instant review” aspect. Still, it would help even with that as a potential problem. Most of the real trolls in the WSO section never buy.

    Writeaway,

    I suspect they’ll assume, and perhaps rightly, that Paypal has already done ID verification. A separate check would probably be nice, but I’m not sure it’s practical.


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    • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      Brian,

      That's a problem with the "instant review" aspect. Still, it would help even with that as a potential problem. Most of the real trolls in the WSO section never buy.

      Writeaway,

      I suspect they'll assume, and perhaps rightly, that Paypal has already done ID verification. A separate check would probably be nice, but I'm not sure it's practical.


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      Hi Paul

      Thanks for the feedback. We actually do have a huge team already for Freelancer that does ID checking and also quite a sophisticated anti-fraud team (and technology). Based on feedback from the community we will look to see where this may be appropriate to introduce for Warrior Payments.

      One of the goals here is to raise the integrity of the marketplace. We have learnt at Freelancer.com how to ensure that feedback is valid by ensuring that jobs need to be completed and paid in full in order for feedback to be left, and that feedback over time builds up into strong online reputation for users. We'll be working on ensuring that feedback cannot be gamed.

      Regards
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Matt,
        We'll be working on ensuring that feedback cannot be gamed.
        THAT is probably the biggest news in the whole announcement, from my perspective.

        Do that and get the OTO/upsell features in place, and you'll pull a lot of sellers from the other platforms. Especially if you can set up a way for reviews from paying customers to be identified as such in the WSO threads.

        Maybe a "Post to thread" option in the review form? Show the time and date of purchase and the same for the review...


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        • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Matt,THAT is probably the biggest news in the whole announcement, from my perspective.

          Do that and get the OTO/upsell features in place, and you'll pull a lot of sellers from the other platforms. Especially if you can set up a way for reviews from paying customers to be identified as such in the WSO threads.

          Maybe a "Post to thread" option in the review form? Show the time and date of purchase and the same for the review...


          Paul
          Some great suggestions there.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alaister
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Maybe a "Post to thread" option in the review form? Show the time and date of purchase and the same for the review...
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          This is a good idea and I can see it working well.
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        • Profile picture of the author flyingdutch
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Maybe a "Post to thread" option in the review form? Show the time and date of purchase and the same for the review...


          Paul
          Amazon has put in place all kinds of verifications: verified customer, verified member, verified review, vine reviewer, BUT..... everybody agrees that the number of fake reviews is still HUGE. So if Amazon hasn't been able to tackle the problem, I would be very interested to know how WP is going to solve it. For example, how would you tackle a review circle?
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      • Profile picture of the author flyingdutch
        Originally Posted by mattbarrie View Post

        Hi Paul

        We'll be working on ensuring that feedback cannot be gamed.


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        I, and a lot of companies that use review systems (Amazon, Ebay, tripadvisor) would be VERY interested how you're going to tackle that one. Because as soon as you talk about reviews/evaluations , you talk about fraudulent usage and people that will try to game the system. As I pointed out in one of my books, fake reviews and everything that goes with it (fake accounts, buying/selling reviews/review circles etc.etc.) are a BIG problem. Simply because they are worth money. And as soon as there is money to be earned, people will invent ways to trick the rules. Let's see how this works out on WP, but I'm a bit skeptical.....
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        • Profile picture of the author WillR
          Originally Posted by flyingdutch View Post

          I, and a lot of companies that use review systems (Amazon, Ebay, tripadvisor) would be VERY interested how you're going to tackle that one. Because as soon as you talk about reviews/evaluations , you talk about fraudulent usage and people that will try to game the system. As I pointed out in one of my books, fake reviews and everything that goes with it (fake accounts, buying/selling reviews/review circles etc.etc.) are a BIG problem. Simply because they are worth money. And as soon as there is money to be earned, people will invent ways to trick the rules. Let's see how this works out on WP, but I'm a bit skeptical.....
          Definitely agree about reviews. All that will happen is a black market will be created where people will pay others to buy their product and leave reviews or bonuses will be given to people who leave good reviews. Way too hard to stop that from happening. Besides, I don't think the reviews thing is a big deal really. Good products flourish and bad products don't. It's fairly easy to pick the wheat from the chaff these days.
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          • Profile picture of the author Brent Tracey
            Originally Posted by WillR View Post

            Definitely agree about reviews. All that will happen is a black market will be created where people will pay others to buy their product and leave reviews or bonuses will be given to people who leave good reviews. Way too hard to stop that from happening. Besides, I don't think the reviews thing is a big deal really. Good products flourish and bad products don't. It's fairly easy to pick the wheat from the chaff these days.
            I think so too. The good products will always be recognisable. It's almost guaranteed that there is undeniable proof and signs, when the product is good.
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    I don't see how they can stop the reviews from being fake, the seller would only lose 2%.

    I'm not trying to be negative, just saying scammers will try to figure out a way to BS the system in order to get sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author Highway55
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I don't see how they can stop the reviews from being fake, the seller would only lose 2%.

      I'm not trying to be negative, just saying scammers will try to figure out a way to BS the system in order to get sales.
      Weird. I hadn't thought of this angle, but it holds some truth.
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      • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
        Originally Posted by Highway55 View Post

        Weird. I hadn't thought of this angle, but it holds some truth.
        From our experience at freelancer.com (where our commissions are as low as 3%), it's fairly hard for someone to pay themselves and fake feedback and actually make it look legitimate. We'll be detecting this and anyone who does this will be kicked off the platform. The reputation will not just be on products, the sellers themselves will be building up reputation and feedback over time so that it will be easy to tell the reputable sellers from the newbies.
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        • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
          Originally Posted by mattbarrie View Post

          From our experience at freelancer.com (where our commissions are as low as 3%), it's fairly hard for someone to pay themselves and fake feedback and actually make it look legitimate. We'll be detecting this and anyone who does this will be kicked off the platform. The reputation will not just be on products, the sellers themselves will be building up reputation and feedback over time so that it will be easy to tell the reputable sellers from the newbies.
          Not really.

          I have three PayPal accounts and numerous credit cards. Plus my cronies, I mean friends could order from me. Then pay me later or I order from them.

          People WILL do it but it will be better than nothing.

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          • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
            Originally Posted by GarrieWilson View Post

            Not really.

            I have three PayPal accounts and numerous credit cards. Plus my cronies, I mean friends could order from me. Then pay me later or I order from them.

            People WILL do it but it will be better than nothing.

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            Yes but we are provided all the data at time of purchase for those accounts and cards you have and we will immediately see that you are buying from yourself. If we detect that we will close their WF account permanently.

            Secondly sellers will build up feedback/reputation in addition to the offers themselves building up reputation. Good sellers won't want to burn their accounts.

            Also our antifraud team has long experience detecting fraud rings.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ghoster
              Originally Posted by mattbarrie View Post

              Yes but we are provided all the data at time of purchase for those accounts and cards you have and we will immediately see that you are buying from yourself. If we detect that we will close their WF account permanently.

              Secondly sellers will build up feedback/reputation in addition to the offers themselves building up reputation. Good sellers won't want to burn their accounts.

              Also our antifraud team has long experience detecting fraud rings.
              His point is that all it takes is a good VPN and a credit card in someone else's name. Not trying to be negative, but there is no business in the industry that is 100% insulated against fraud.

              I like that you have an aggressive stance about this, but I would be leery about insinuating that this kind of thing won't happen.
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              • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
                Originally Posted by Ghoster View Post

                His point is that all it takes is a good VPN and a credit card in someone else's name. Not trying to be negative, but there is no business in the industry that is 100% insulated against fraud.

                I like that you have an aggressive stance about this, but I would be leery about insinuating that this kind of thing won't happen.
                It's impossible to stop fraud 100% but the flipside is it's hard how someone to commit fraud at scale without being pretty obvious. Nevertheless we have a team on this and we're committed to improving the forum on all angles including improving the quality and volume of both the buyers and sellers.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    It says you can sell services but I can only see digital products in the marketplace. Anyone have a link to the service section?
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    Created a buy button for an existing product on my site, included an affiliate option (1% LOL). The product is not showing up in the affiliate marketing place affiliates to sign up. Can affiliates only sign up to promote WSOs and not products on other sites?

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    I remember when JVZoo 1st launched. There were a couple products and then a day later hundreds. A lot of crap as everyone was throwing up their ebooks, PLR, etc. There's going to be a flood listed in the marketplace especially due to buy buttons and affiliate promotions offsite being listed - for anything.

    Not sure what can be done about the flood heading the WF's way. However, last time I was on JVZ I clicked a few offers and they were dead. Just observing here so you're prepared.

    Conceptually, I wonder what happens if I create a product and the product URL is my affiliate link. Example, my Amazon affiliate link. I then setup an affiliate program to draw traffic. I suppose the lack of sales stats cures the problem for signups. Mainly, just musing here about issues sneaky ones may find a way to manipulate.

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  • Profile picture of the author ATAC
    Just like anything else it's going to have it's growing pains when it's first released...
    I will wait a while to get the kinks out before I launch with it for the exact reason that you guys stated above..

    Nothing is going to happen to jvzoo and the rest because they can be used to collect payments all over the web.
    This is very good news because of the added competition this will create with payment processors that this should drive prices down and features up ...

    I am excited to see what they come up with as long as its not forced on us that we have to use it then that wouldn't be too cool..

    I posted this before checking it out and as I said they only charge 2% ...
    That is very attractive ....

    Looks great to me so far from what I seen and this could be something special...
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by ATAC View Post

      Just like anything else it's going to have it's growing pains when it's first released...
      I will wait a while to get the kinks out before I launch with it for the exact reason that you guys stated above..

      Nothing is going to happen to jvzoo and the rest because they can be used to collect payments all over the web.
      This is very good news because of the added competition this will create with payment processors that this should drive prices down and features up ...

      I am excited to see what they come up with as long as its not forced on us that we have to use it then that wouldn't be too cool..

      I posted this before checking it out and as I said they only charge 2% ...
      That is very attractive ....


      Looks great to me so far from what I seen and this could be something special...
      Exactly! Competition is the DRIVER of all economic progress! I see this as MASSIVE STEP FORWARD for the IM industry
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
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    Based on feedback from the community we will look to see where this may be appropriate to introduce for Warrior Payments.
    Perhaps a price threshold? Anything with any component (front end or follow-up offer/OTO) selling at over $XYZ requires verification?

    That could help cut down on some of the iffy stuff that could actually damage people in meaningful ways.


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  • Profile picture of the author Simeon Tuitt
    This looks great, I notice that new wsos can now be set up with the new wf payments, but is there anyway of adding existing wsos to the payments platform or do new ones need creating (this would create duplicate threads and rules state only one of a wso)?

    Also is there as someone asked above anyway of delaying affiliate commissions for sellers who have a statutory refund period they wish to elapse before payouts and also to screen which affiliates are accepted to promote.

    Cheers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by Simeon Tuitt View Post

      This looks great, I notice that new wsos can now be set up with the new wf payments, but is there anyway of adding existing wsos to the payments platform or do new ones need creating (this would create duplicate threads and rules state only one of a wso)?

      Also is there as someone asked above anyway of delaying affiliate commissions for sellers who have a statutory refund period they wish to elapse before payouts and also to screen which affiliates are accepted to promote.

      Cheers.
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      Hi Sim,

      Fill in the details of your WSO on the "Create New Offer". On the next page you can select "Add button to existing Warrior Forum offer" tab and select a current WSO. You can implement our new Warrior Payments button onto any of your existing WSOs.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Garrie,

        Sure. There will always be people who try to game the system. That's a given. And there will always be people who succeed. The goal is to make it more expensive to game it than to go somewhere else, or just stop the scams.

        Perfect ain't happening. But "a lot better" ... Yeah. And what Matt has described in this thread qualifies.


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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Congrats on the release guys.

          Quick question, any api us software developers can tap into?
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      • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        Fill in the details of your WSO on the "Create New Offer". On the next page you can select "Add button to existing Warrior Forum offer" tab and select a current WSO. You can implement our new Warrior Payments button onto any of your existing WSOs.
        Immediately cutting out previously existing affiliates (i.e. replacement of JVZoo or Warrior + button).

        If affiliates are actively sending traffic to an existing WSO with a payment button from one of the other services, pushing a WP button onto the page will have the effect of creating free traffic from those affiliates.

        Not a particularly smooth move, fellas.
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        • Profile picture of the author barbling
          Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

          Immediately cutting out previously existing affiliates (i.e. replacement of JVZoo or Warrior + button).

          If affiliates are actively sending traffic to an existing WSO with a payment button from one of the other services, pushing a WP button onto the page will have the effect of creating free traffic from those affiliates.

          Not a particularly smooth move, fellas.
          What can be done in that case (and should be done in case JVzoo/W+ gets banned from the forum in the future) is simply duplicate the sales copy on a self-hosted page and then update the JVzoo/W+ listing to point to the new location.

          Existing affiliates to a W+/JVzoo offer will then continued to be credited.
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Sid Hale View Post

          Immediately cutting out previously existing affiliates (i.e. replacement of JVZoo or Warrior + button).

          If affiliates are actively sending traffic to an existing WSO with a payment button from one of the other services, pushing a WP button onto the page will have the effect of creating free traffic from those affiliates.

          Not a particularly smooth move, fellas.
          It's more than just not smooth. Highly unethical to do that to your affiliates. If you're going to do that, people better be telling their affiliates to stop promoting your offer or move the offer to a self hosted page.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Chris,
            I think it is already too late. Every notification I receive from WF goes to the spam folder in my gmail account.
            Gmail's handling of filtering isn't really an indication that mail from a given source is considered bad across the board. If it's hitting the spam folder, it's getting past the SMTP rejection stage. That means you can mark it as "not spam" yourself and still get it delivered normally.

            The concern I was talking about is the forum's IP space getting blocked by something like Spamhaus for spam support. That would mean a lot of mail being blocked at a lot of services, with very little room for appeal.

            Then there are the local blocklists, maintained by many large service providers. If you get into those, you're pretty much toast with them. Getting out of local lists is anywhere from difficult to impossible. And in the US, they're legally covered for this kind of blocking based on the safe harbor provisions of the CDA.

            It would not surprise me to find that the addition of the regular marketing broadcasts have tipped mail from the forum to "likely spam" as far as a lot of user-controlled feedback systems are concerned. That is pure speculation, mind you. Call it an educated guess.

            Letting email spamware be sold here, even by accident or inexperience, could well be the tipping point. The humans who make a lot of the decisions would see that and say, "If they don't care about our systems, we don't need to care about theirs." Plonk.

            The offer in question appears to have been removed. Unless the policy has been changed to allow things that were not previously, whoever approved that one should go back and re-read the rules for offers here. That one wasn't a violation hidden among a long list of features. The subject line was "Facebook email scraper," or something very close to that.

            Freelancer can set whatever policies they want, obviously. But if those policies result in PM notifications and/or receipts and download instructions getting blocked, it's going to be a nightmare for sellers and customers alike.

            That may be less of an issue if this was just someone with less experience approving something that won't be approved in the future. Stuff happens. It's hard, though, to overstate the importance of avoiding even the appearance of supporting email spam or spamware.

            Then there's the issue Brian mentioned. Facebook is not pleasant when they see what they consider to be attacks on their infrastructure.


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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Nice job guys. I can't exactly comment on features or give any suggestions until I look further into everything but it looks like this is a pretty good move and definitely one that improves the community or at the very least, the WF brand.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
    When you click the create WSO button I don't see an option to NOT use the new payment system. Is it now mandatory that all new WSOs use the new payment system?

    Also it will not let you set the price to free. So are free WSOs no longer allowed?

    I'm apparently missing something here.

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    • Profile picture of the author Shane F
      Originally Posted by Rob Whisonant View Post

      When you click the create WSO button I don't see an option to NOT use the new payment system. Is it now mandatory that all new WSOs use the new payment system?

      Also it will not let you set the price to free. So are free WSOs no longer allowed?

      I'm apparently missing something here.

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      Right with you Rob. Went to create a new WSO thread and only option is to use the new payment system.

      Are we not able to use JVZoo or W+ anymore?
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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by Shane F View Post

        Right with you Rob. Went to create a new WSO thread and only option is to use the new payment system.

        Are we not able to use JVZoo or W+ anymore?
        I saw this as well when clicking on create wso. Takes you straight to Warrior Payments.

        This had better not be the case or that changes things big time.

        Ain't no one going to force me to use their payment processor, sorry.

        Really hope this is not the case.
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        • Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          I saw this as well when clicking on create wso. Takes you straight to Warrior Payments.

          This had better not be the case or that changes things big time.

          Ain't no one going to force me to use their payment processor, sorry.

          Really hope this is not the case.
          Is Alaister going to answer this! WE"RE WAITING!!!
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        • Profile picture of the author ATAC
          Originally Posted by WillR View Post

          I saw this as well when clicking on create wso. Takes you straight to Warrior Payments.

          This had better not be the case or that changes things big time.

          Ain't no one going to force me to use their payment processor, sorry.

          Really hope this is not the case.
          This is B/S ...

          Here we go as I said it in my previous post.. I knew they were going to force this on us ..
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      • Profile picture of the author wizozz
        Originally Posted by Shane F View Post

        Right with you Rob. Went to create a new WSO thread and only option is to use the new payment system.

        Are we not able to use JVZoo or W+ anymore?
        If it doesn't allow other payment systems, I don't think it is a good idea. Adding an option is good, but forcing other options out is bad.

        Not that I'm gonna launch a WSO soon or anything, still...

        And JVZoo and WarriorPro were not the only competing options, there is digiresults, free offers, RAP type of scripts, etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alaister
        Originally Posted by Rob Whisonant View Post

        I'll second the API question and also ask where the postback information is. When a sale is made, where do I define the URL that the sales information is posted to?

        Also I don't see a way to integrate a self hosted autoresponder so the postback routine would be a mandatory feature.

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        Originally Posted by Shane F View Post

        Right with you Rob. Went to create a new WSO thread and only option is to use the new payment system.

        Are we not able to use JVZoo or W+ anymore?
        We're not banning the use of any network. We have a large team here rapidly building out the features of Warrior Payments. It is already a fraction of the price of the competitors and in no time at all we'll have all the features and more compared to the competitors.

        We're cleaning up the marketplace so we want the WSO section to be for people looking to buy and sell products or services. Free offers can be placed in the War Room and in the Classifieds section.
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        • Profile picture of the author WillR
          Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

          We're not banning the use of any network at this point..
          That bit worries me. Just remember that is was networks such as Warrior Plus and JV ZOO that made the WSO forum what it is today. Without them it simply would not exist in its current form. Many veteran members know this. So you would lose a lot of respect from users if you were to remove them from the equation at any stage of the process.

          I sure hope that is not on the cards... for everyones sake.

          FYI -- Clickbank charge 7.5% + $1 and plenty of people still use them. I changed from Warrior Plus to JVZoo sometime ago also which meant an increase in my fees. So competing on price alone won't work. Experienced vendors don't decide just on price but on many other factors as well. I much rather pay a little more for a service I prefer.
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          • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
            Originally Posted by WillR View Post

            FYI -- Clickbank charge 7.5% + $1 and plenty of people still use them.
            They also accept payments using their account, pay affiliates and all the tax paper work. Comparing WP, W+ or JVZoo to them is unfair IMHO.

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        • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
          Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

          We're not banning the use of any network. We have a large team here rapidly building out the features of Warrior Payments. It is already a fraction of the price of the competitors and in no time at all we'll have all the features and more compared to the competitors.
          Once WP is up and fully working with the features I need, I will love the low 2% price. Just can't use it as it sits now.

          How do you bypass warrior payments and use another method when creating a new WSO? I don't see a way to do that.

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        • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
          Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

          We're not banning the use of any network.
          Then how can you create a WSO w/out using Warrior Payments? All the create WSO links take you there.

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        • Profile picture of the author Highway55
          Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

          We're not banning the use of any network...

          We're cleaning up the marketplace so we want the WSO section to be for people looking to buy and sell products or services. Free offers can be placed in the War Room and in the Classifieds section.
          So you're banning the ability to create a free wso?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mou
          Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

          We're cleaning up the marketplace so we want the WSO section to be for people looking to buy and sell products or services. Free offers can be placed in the War Room and in the Classifieds section.

          For now the subforums "Sites for Sell", "Warriors for hire" are not included in this new change? "Cleaning up the marketplace"...so do you want to merge these subforums in WSO section? In that case what happens to the feedbacks and reviews a service seller has received over the years.
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        • Profile picture of the author rbeckwith
          Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

          We're not banning the use of any network. We have a large team here rapidly building out the features of Warrior Payments. It is already a fraction of the price of the competitors and in no time at all we'll have all the features and more compared to the competitors.

          We're cleaning up the marketplace so we want the WSO section to be for people looking to buy and sell products or services. Free offers can be placed in the War Room and in the Classifieds section.
          Hi Alaister,

          Ok...so if you are not banning other networks, where are they? I was going to setup a new WSO, but your page is glaring me in the face and there isn't an option to select another vendor

          Please elaborate on what is going on and how we can use W+ or JVZ

          Thanks
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          • Profile picture of the author Nic Oliver
            Alaister seems to have gone very quiet - there are a lot of unanswered questions in this thread.

            People never seem to learn that when change is being made, the more silent the change makers are, the more rumour and supposition persist!
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              Nic,
              Alaister seems to have gone very quiet - there are a lot of unanswered questions in this thread.
              Time zones. Alaister and Matt are in Australia. They're very likely asleep now. They probably spent a good chunk of last night on emails and phone calls related to the new system, on top of the usual demands of running of the forum and Freelancer.

              "Isn't instant" doesn't mean "not paying attention."


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          • Profile picture of the author zapseo
            Rob,

            You can use this link:

            http://www.warriorforum.com/newthrea...newthread&f=17

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            Originally Posted by rbeckwith View Post

            Hi Alaister,

            Ok...so if you are not banning other networks, where are they? I was going to setup a new WSO, but your page is glaring me in the face and there isn't an option to select another vendor

            Please elaborate on what is going on and how we can use W+ or JVZ

            Thanks
            Rod

            PS - If you are considering not having instant payments for affiliates, reconsider because I will be taking my business elsewhere.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by rbeckwith View Post

            PS - If you are considering not having instant payments for affiliates, reconsider because I will be taking my business elsewhere.
            Who's going to pay the refunds If the affiliate gets payed an instant payment?

            If an affiliate delivers crappy traffic or bogus promises in order to get a sale, then the buyer refunds, do you really think the seller is going to pay the affiliate out of his own pocket after losing a sale?

            Good luck with that setup.
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            • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
              Am with Will and Nic Oliver BIG TIME here.

              Dear Matt barrie and Alaister, DONT force me to use your warriorpayments system, we want to be able to choose the payment system we prefer and like.

              Given your answers, it seems that we wont be able to use em anymore so chime in here.

              Thanks.
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            • Profile picture of the author rbeckwith
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Who's going to pay the refunds If the affiliate gets payed an instant payment?

              If an affiliate delivers crappy traffic or bogus promises in order to get a sale, then the buyer refunds, do you really think the seller is going to pay the affiliate out of his own pocket after losing a sale?

              Good luck with that setup.
              Have been using that setup successfully since W+ came online with their affiliate system and have made a very decent chunk of cash with my 50K+ lists. And I would expect that many vendors I work with and affiliates feel the same way.

              Fraud has never been an issue for those that are careful about selecting their affiliates.

              And with Paypal's adaptive, refunds are automatically deducted from their account. Happens to me all the time.

              The fact of the matter is I am not in the business of making short or long term loans to larger companies. I chose W+ and JVZ because I get paid instantly for my efforts.

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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by rbeckwith View Post

                Have been using that setup successfully since W+ came online with their affiliate system and have made a very decent chunk of cash with my 50K+ lists. And I would expect that many vendors I work with and affiliates feel the same way.

                Fraud has never been an issue for those that are careful about selecting their affiliates.

                And with Paypal's adaptive, refunds are automatically deducted from their account. Happens to me all the time.

                The fact of the matter is I am not in the business of making short or long term loans to larger companies. I chose W+ and JVZ because I get paid instantly for my efforts.

                Rod
                I'm sure the majority of people selling WSOs will take any affiliate they can get & that is pretty much the advertising behind this promotion.

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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  I'm sure the majority of people selling WSOs will take any affiliate they can get & that is pretty much the advertising behind this promotion.
                  Its an advertising offer but I don't see how that means sellers don't have to do their due diligence. I'd be curious to now how that process goes. Whether you can communicate with prospective affiliates and check them out before
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                • Profile picture of the author rbeckwith
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  I'm sure the majority of people selling WSOs will take any affiliate they can get & that is pretty much the advertising behind this promotion.
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                  >>>Wow, I won't go into why that is such a totally false assumption.

                  How much have you sold on WF as a Vendor or an Affiliate?

                  I can say from VAST experience that what you are saying isn't true. And after selling over 10K+ Units of product and being an affiliate for another 20K+ units on the WF alone you can bet that if the powers that be think that holding my money is a good idea, the salad days are over for WF for me because I don't care about how many people are claimed to be on this forum.. a majority of them DON'T buy. Also, the abuse that is put out by a few choice trolls when selling isn't worth the downward spiral in sales over the last year. I don't promote ANYTHING that isn't instant pay anymore unless it is a large ticket item for which I can understand about fraud issues and charge-backs.

                  Having a competing internal payment/affiliate system to JVZ or W+ is fine...always wondered why it was never done. Just hope that FL understands what they bought and what kind of hornets nest they are toying with.

                  Working the WF can be lucrative, but it has been overrun by wannabe's and bad offers. If they want to improve the experience, then they need to cull the herd of fakers that are giving the WF a bad name.

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                  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
                    Originally Posted by rbeckwith View Post

                    >>>Wow, I won't go into why that is such a totally false assumption.

                    How much have you sold on WF as a Vendor or an Affiliate?

                    I can say from VAST experience that what you are saying isn't true.
                    I totally agree. I deny affiliates the right to promo my stuff every day.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
                      There needs to big a sign with big letters that reads "BETA" in front of the words Warrior Payments.

                      The system as it is now is pretty basic, and is like asking Warriors if they want chicken knuckles instead of steak. I love that the WF has gotten into the 3rd party payment processing game, but I see more questions than answers.

                      I understand it will take time to release all the features to be able to compete with W+ and JVZ, so that's not the questions I have. What I'd like to know is, why is there a link in some random thread to the old WSO WYSIWYG when it should be front and center next to the WP button?

                      You say Warriors wont be forced to use WP but then you hide the link to other payment methods in some random thread. I love that WF has come up with it's own payment method, but little things like hiding the other payment processing sites and saying other P.P's won't be banned for the time being, has me wondering what you guys are really up to

                      One question though, can I get the secret handshake for the wso of the day?
                      Yeah, it's called giving them an 80% cut

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                      I'm sure the majority of people selling WSOs will take any affiliate they can get
                      This is a one way ticket to getting scammed. This should be stricken from the WF records
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                        Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

                        Yeah, it's called giving them an 80% cut

                        Actually, they "suggest" a higher than 80% commission.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          Actually, they "suggest" a higher than 80% commission.
                          Unless I am giving 100% commission on the front end, that throttle will not move past 50%

                          I know and appreciate the value of good affiliates, and will not give anyone a higher commission than them. Good affiliates will always be there, 3rd party processors will always promote what makes them the most money.
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                        • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
                          it doesn't matter how good the product is, you will still get plenty of "those people" especially in this niche. This niche attracts them like crazy.
                          That could level the playing field. Everyone ends up with a terrible rating.

                          I don't promote ANYTHING that isn't instant pay anymore unless it is a large ticket item for which I can understand about fraud issues and charge-backs.
                          There are run-of-the-mill affiliates, and then there are super affiliates like Rod Beckwith. One of the reasons they are "super" is because they demand to see the WSO before they promote it. If they don't think its up to snuff they don't promote it. Sure, its easy enough to throw darts claiming an affiliate will promote anything if the commission is enough, but that's not my experience. Certainly not what I do.

                          They deserve instant payment.

                          johndoe65 who joined the forum today and made an affiliate request - I'm not probably approving them anyway without addressing their payments.

                          Suggestion: someone like Rod should be automatically approved as my affiliate for any product I list. I shouldn't have to spend my time approving him, and he shouldn't have to wait until I'm back from wherever to see his request - and he's now focused on some other product.

                          Right now, I am not seeing anything about how Warrior Forum decides what product to promote as product of the day, how they would get access to certain products, who makes the decision, etc.

                          Suggestion: some type of credibility is needed. I want the Forum to promote great products. Not something because there is at least an 80 percent commission. From a legal standpoint I don't know how a public company could not perform that review before promoting.

                          To be clear - I think the forum has a conflict of interest promoting anything AND making an affiliate commission beyond a transaction fee payment, and so do W+ and JVZoo. They shouldn't be doing that. But money has walked over that argument for years.

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                          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                            That could level the playing field. Everyone ends up with a terrible rating. .
                            That's most likely what is going to happen. Example below.

                            In the first example, a buyer posted 1.0 feedback on a $1.50 WSO. His feedback: "it should be free."

                            It's possible it should be free and it's possible it shouldn't be a product at all, but that feedback helps no one make a decision on whether or not to go all out and spend $1.50. No details. That's not feedback ... that's a sarcastic remark.

                            Second example: Looks like a buyer thinks it's an awesome product, giving it a full 5.0 rating. Then some assmonkey comes along and gives it a 0 rating because he believes he didn't get a download link yet. Did he tell the seller he has a problem? Who knows. That is not feedback on the product. That is a glitch that probably was temporary and probably was taken care of.

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                            • Profile picture of the author CPAMasterX
                              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                              That's most likely what is going to happen. Example below.

                              In the first example, a buyer posted 1.0 feedback on a $1.50 WSO. His feedback: "it should be free."

                              It's possible it should be free and it's possible it shouldn't be a product at all, but that feedback helps no one make a decision on whether or not to go all out and spend $1.50. No details. That's not feedback ... that's a sarcastic remark.

                              Second example: Looks like a buyer thinks it's an awesome product, giving it a full 5.0 rating. Then some assmonkey comes along and gives it a 0 rating because he believes he didn't get a download link yet. Did he tell the seller he has a problem? Who knows. That is not feedback on the product. That is a glitch that probably was temporary and probably was taken care of.

                              I can talk about it from first-hand! I just had a customer who gave me a full 0.0!



                              I am not too sure what to say about it... He didn't even check the product (at least he was honest with it...) and not even contacted with me, I went through all my emails (support, personal), membership forum, checked my WF PMs, no questions received!

                              ...So I gave up! Fortunately, I have real feedbacks in my sales thread, so people can make decision based on those!

                              Imho, this rating system could only work if you set some criterias, so only known and trusted people can vote! This could avoid every misuse and the ratings would be something that help people to make decision!

                              It is kinda disturbing and as I see I am not alone with it!

                              P.S.: Even worse that I can't even click on his profile to contact him!

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                          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                            Brian,
                            I think the forum has a conflict of interest promoting anything AND making an affiliate commission beyond a transaction fee payment
                            This is something that would concern me if I were involved in the process. Having the entity that approves and moderates offers also taking a financial interest in the success of specific offers.

                            What are they going to do if, as has happened with a few WSOTDs, they promote something and the mods find out there's a problem with it?

                            The example that springs immediately to mind is the case where Mike Lantz sent a WSOTD email for an offer and I discovered the seller was using a faked income screenshot. (When I showed her how I knew it was faked, she admitted it.)

                            Will moderators employed by a company that has a stake in the success of that promotion be willing/able to do anything about such a situation when it arises? Even assuming they are, will people perceive there to be a conflict? Will people whose incomes depend on the forum be willing/able to separate the rules from their fear of being fired over decisions that cost the company money?

                            Especially problematic if they're getting a cut of all sales for one processor. Any active moderation that isn't in the favor of the seller and for which the seller uses another payment processing/affiliate platform is going to create complaints about favoritism.

                            And when someone uses WarriorPayments and a customer has a complaint removed for cause (swearing, personal attacks), it's going to give rise to the usual noise about favoring the sellers at the expense of buyers.


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                          • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
                            Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                            To be clear - I think the forum has a conflict of interest promoting anything AND making an affiliate commission beyond a transaction fee payment, and so do W+ and JVZoo. They shouldn't be doing that. But money has walked over that argument for years.
                            My concern as well, what about two people who's products are in the same niche and one gets their product promoted by the advertising platform for a commission and the other does not, yet they've both paid for the opportunity to get sales from the same pool of buyers, the same audience, the same forum users.

                            Isn't there a duty to deal fairly in business dealings, especially so when money has been exchanged? I think it's bordering on bad faith a situation like that.

                            If a search engine got caught accepting advertising dollars from advertisers in the same space and then leveraging their power to make money by promoting an advertisers product over the other advertisers, they'd get in very HOT water.

                            Hey, I might be way off base here but that's how I'm seeing this. = |
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by rbeckwith View Post

                    I don't promote ANYTHING that isn't instant pay anymore unless it is a large ticket item for which I can understand about fraud issues and charge-backs.

                    Rod
                    ... and that is just fine and dandy and your choice. At present, sellers don't have a choice on whether or not to delay commission and they should have a choice. The number of shady and criminal affiliates is high enough that anyone offering Instant Commissions to people they don't know is a complete idiot. You have the choice not to apply to be an affiliate for anyone with delayed commission.
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                    • Profile picture of the author rbeckwith
                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      ... and that is just fine and dandy and your choice. At present, sellers don't have a choice on whether or not to delay commission and they should have a choice. The number of shady and criminal affiliates is high enough that anyone offering Instant Commissions to people they don't know is a complete idiot. You have the choice not to apply to be an affiliate for anyone with delayed commission.
                      Of course I am not saying that vendors shouldn't have a choice, what I am talking about is if they are going to try a Clickbank stunt by holding onto my money for days or weeks as a business practice.

                      And I will usually ask the delayed payment vendor to kindly change my payments to instant or I can't promote them.

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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by rbeckwith View Post

                        Of course I am not saying that vendors shouldn't have a choice, what I am talking about is if they are going to try a Clickbank stunt by holding onto my money for days or weeks as a business practice.

                        And I will usually ask the delayed payment vendor to kindly change my payments to instant or I can't promote them.

                        Rod
                        I agree about Clickbank. There's actually nothing about Clickbank that I like

                        ... and if I were running a WSO and you asked to be an affiliate, I'd likely change you to Instant Payments. You have a reputation.

                        ... but most that have applied to promote my offers on JVZ and W+ have been unknowns to me and most in fact, never made a single sale, with the exception of the scam affiliates that bought with stolen credit cards. The majority of real sales were made by a handful of affiliates, and those I would put on Instant Commissions also.
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                        • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          I agree about Clickbank. There's actually nothing about Clickbank that I like

                          ... and if I were running a WSO and you asked to be an affiliate, I'd likely change you to Instant Payments. You have a reputation.

                          ... but most that have applied to promote my offers on JVZ and W+ have been unknowns to me and most in fact, never made a single sale, with the exception of the scam affiliates that bought with stolen credit cards. The majority of real sales were made by a handful of affiliates, and those I would put on Instant Commissions also.
                          You're so right. I get dozens of affiliate requests on JVZoo every day. 98% have 0 sales. Yet they all seem to want me to approve them for "instant" commissions. Sadly, I have been hit hard in the past by the stolen credit card instant commission scam, so unless an affiliate has at least 100 sales, they'll be getting put on delayed commissions.
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                          • Profile picture of the author JR Lang
                            Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

                            You're so right. I get dozens of affiliate requests on JVZoo every day. 98% have 0 sales. Yet they all seem to want me to approve them for "instant" commissions. Sadly, I have been hit hard in the past by the stolen credit card instant commission scam, so unless an affiliate has at least 100 sales, they'll be getting put on delayed commissions.
                            This is going to cause issues as well, and I agree, approving affiliates with low sales is risky, but, it will be an issues since it will take time for affiliates to build up sale numbers, that data won't transfer from W+. I have affiliates there with 5000+ sales, and here they will be brand new.

                            One idea I guess would be to check out their usernames on W+ to see their history.
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                • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  I'm sure the majority of people selling WSOs will take any affiliate they can get & that is pretty much the advertising behind this promotion.

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                  I'd have to disagree with that. As a seller I vet all of my affiliate applicants thoroughly and I only want affiliates who will promote ethically. I would gladly sacrifice sales if I knew an affiliate was using spammy promotion methods or sending junk traffic to get them. Personally, I only want affiliates that use their email lists to promote. If an affiliate applies and has no list, then I will likely set them to delayed commissions or not approve them at all. It's just not worth the headaches that come along with affiliates who aren't promoting the right way.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
                    I pretty much do the same thing when it comes to affiliates. I rarely approve requests and yes it may have hurt sales but I prefer to have my stuff sent to people who have a following that they mail to.

                    I'm actually on several of my affiliates mailing list so I see what sort of content they mail, how frequently they are promoting other peoples stuff, how frequently they mail for their own stuff, how often or not they just provide just pure content for their users to learn from.

                    Approving an affiliate who want's to promote on some blog somewhere that no one has ever heard of? Sorry, but no thanks.

                    Under Warrior Payments I would defiantly need to be able to select
                    the affiliates for my stuff and deny all others if I so choose.

                    Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

                    I'd have to disagree with that. As a seller I vet all of my affiliate applicants thoroughly and I only want affiliates who will promote ethically. I would gladly sacrifice sales if I knew an affiliate was using spammy promotion methods or sending junk traffic to get them. Personally, I only want affiliates that use their email lists to promote. If an affiliate applies and has no list, then I will likely set them to delayed commissions or not approve them at all. It's just not worth the headaches that come along with affiliates who aren't promoting the right way.
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                    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                      Hi Rus,

                      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

                      Under Warrior Payments I would defiantly need to be able to select the affiliates for my stuff and deny all others if I so choose.
                      I like coming across that typo in a strange Pythonesque kind of way. It conjures up images of people being all defiant in inappropriate situations.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
                        I hadn't had my coffee yet so of course I'm defiant about everything before getting some java in me! LOL

                        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                        Hi Rus,



                        I like coming across that typo in a strange Pythonesque kind of way. It conjures up images of people being all defiant in inappropriate situations.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                        Will,
                        And that group of top marketers is all very tight and very supportive of one another and thus the support that JVZoo currently has and will continue to have.
                        Ignoring those loyalties would be a very bad move, unless the goal is to rebuild into something completely different while coasting on the momentum of the place.

                        That may well be the plan. I haven't seen anything that strongly suggests otherwise.

                        The forum has a huge existing content base, and attracts new members every day. It would seem relatively easy to simply change directions and operate on the assumption that inertia would keep most of the long-term members coming back. The new members would consider anything that's here when they sign up to be the norm.

                        The business end of the decision to create an in-house ecommerce platform makes perfect sense. If Mike or the JV Zoo guys had bought the forum, I have no doubt they'd have moved to increase their share of WSO revenues in similar fashion. I doubt anyone would have had serious objections to it.

                        The difference is, they understand how the forum works, in terms of the relationships and dynamics that exist. It's the old "You need to know the rules in order to know when to break them" thing. They know what the pistons are that keep that momentum going.

                        The Freelancer guys don't. That's not a bad thing by itself, of course. They may have a vision for the place that's different enough that we wouldn't even recognize the end result.

                        For example, I'd be surprised if the idea of putting in the ecommerce platform wasn't in the plan before they bought the place. I'd also be surprised if making it the default processor for WSOs wasn't a first step in a much larger goal for that system.

                        If they play it right, that could easily be worth the cost of admission all by itself. If they run afoul of too many of those established relationships too quickly, though, they could tank it quick.

                        I can imagine a lot of scenarios in which the existing relationships and loyalties would be irrelevant to them, in terms of business sense. And you can see the new ones popping up already.

                        It's not the same place. Hasn't been since the day Allen sold it. Whether that becomes a good or bad thing overall remains to be seen, but it will be a very different thing.


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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
    I'll second the API question and also ask where the postback information is. When a sale is made, where do I define the URL that the sales information is posted to?

    Also I don't see a way to integrate a self hosted autoresponder so the postback routine would be a mandatory feature.

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Out of curiosity, what is the current/future policy regarding refunds if using the Warrior Payments service? Do sellers have the option of offering or refusing them?

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  • Profile picture of the author marax
    I hope it offers more buyer protection.
    It really is a headache when sellers refuse to honor their refund policies,
    or make buyers jump through hoop after hoop to get their money back.
    I know there are some people who exploit refund policies.
    But the priority should be to make buyers feel safe over making scammers feel unsafe.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    I called this back in April http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-but-what.html

    I like the move, too much money has been leaking out the forum. This is good for everybody. I have no problems with JVZoo or Warrior+ but I didn't like how they email your subscribers before you or an affiliate can even send out an email. In a sense we were building our own competition. Affiliates work hard to drive sales, and last thing they want is to get beat to the commission by an automated email.

    The question I have is will we be building the WP list like we did with the W+ and JVZ? Lower price is good, but what we really want to know, is will WP be emailing our buyers like W+ and JVZ has?

    People work hard on the launch, only to have a 3rd party processor email your buyers and slip in their own affiliate link, before you can even send your "we're live" email. Will this be the same with WP?
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    • Profile picture of the author zapseo
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      I called this back in April http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-but-what.html

      I like the move, too much money has been leaking out the forum. This is good for everybody. I have no problems with JVZoo or Warrior+ but I didn't like how they email your subscribers before you or an affiliate can even send out an email. In a sense we were building our own competition. Affiliates work hard to drive sales, and last thing they want is to get beat to the commission by an automated email.

      The question I have is will we be building the WP list like we did with the W+ and JVZ? Lower price is good, but what we really want to know, is will WP be emailing our buyers like W+ and JVZ has?

      People work hard on the launch, only to have a 3rd party processor email your buyers and slip in their own affiliate link, before you can even send your "we're live" email. Will this be the same with WP?
      Why would WarriorPayments need to build a list...they already have a HUGE one in the WarriorForum! A good case could be made for people who post WSOs actually building their lists from the WarriorForum!

      As for affiliates, if it hadn't been for Mike Lantz, we probably wouldn't be talking about affiliates at all here. (reference WillR's post above.)
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by zapseo View Post

        Why would WarriorPayments need to build a list...they already have a HUGE one in the WarriorForum! A good case could be made for people who post WSOs actually building their lists from the WarriorForum!

        As for affiliates, if it hadn't been for Mike Lantz, we probably wouldn't be talking about affiliates at all here. (reference WillR's post above.)
        You are confusing a sign up list with a buyers list, that is like comparing apples to oranges. As far as Mike Lantz goes, he came up with a great idea, and he has made millions from it, but lets not confuse him as being a pioneer of the affiliate system. Clickbank has been doing that for many years successfully. W+ was a great idea, to make profits, so let's not get it twisted.

        W+ has made it easier for the "small guy" to find affiliates, but if the products doesn't make enough sales, nobody is going to promote it. The same goes for product of the day, lets not forget that money talks and bullshit walks. The WF coming out with their own system, is good news for all of us, whether you use it or not. I like the features that W+ has, so I want to wait and see what WP has to offer that is better than the others.
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        • Profile picture of the author zapseo
          Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

          You are confusing a sign up list with a buyers list, that is like comparing apples to oranges. As far as Mike Lantz goes, he came up with a great idea, and he has made millions from it, but lets not confuse him as being a pioneer of the affiliate system. Clickbank has been doing that for many years successfully. W+ was a great idea, to make profits, so let's not get it twisted.

          W+ has made it easier for the "small guy" to find affiliates, but if the products doesn't make enough sales, nobody is going to promote it. The same goes for product of the day, lets not forget that money talks and bullshit walks. The WF coming out with their own system, is good news for all of us, whether you use it or not. I like the features that W+ has, so I want to wait and see what WP has to offer that is better than the others.
          Well, let's clarify a little bit...I could take umbrage that I'm comparing apples to oranges, but I won't.

          But I will say that I am definitely NOT confusing Mike Lantz as being the pioneer of an affiliate system. Good grief.

          Just pioneering the affiliate system for WSOs.

          And trust me, as a VERY long time member of the WF...that was HUGELY groundbreaking.

          At the time of my semi-retirement from writing WSO salesletters in 2012, I either knew or had worked with just about every major WSO vendor. I worked behind the scenes doing support for Colleen Slater's "Amazon Treasure Chest" ... which helped launch the career of Kieran McDonogh, the whole ide of "jv brokers" in the WSO space...as well as alerted the world to how powerful the WSO forum had become.

          Shortly after that, ClickBank looked into how to figure out how to have WSO vendors use CB buttons.

          And, at about the same time, some tightening of rules at ClickBank brought some of the CB Vendors over to the WSO space.

          Too bad I can't find the post from Robert Stukes made on facebook giving credit to Mike for as much as having created an industry.

          No, Mike didn't invent the affiliate system (and neither did ClickBank.) But he did bring it to WSOs...which has subsequently propelled a LOT of folks into a whole new, and lucrative, business. People whose names you are undoubtedly familiar with.

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          P.S. And after numerous affiliate promotions (and scams), I've certainly never made as much money as an affiliate until W+ and JVZoo put in the affiliate system. And I've talked to other marketers who have experienced similarly.

          P.P.S. Mike's initial list was a sign up list...a sign up list created from Warriors who wanted to use his free WSO research & alerts system. It wasn't then, and isn't now, simply a buyer's list. Shows what you can do with a list of "freebie seekers"...eh? You have the power to change things...use a bit of creativity and you can "cheat" those systems from the evil you think they do.

          P.P.P.S. Might also want to consider how many sales these systems have brought their users.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi,

      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      The question I have is will we be building the WP list like we did with the W+ and JVZ? Lower price is good, but what we really want to know, is will WP be emailing our buyers like W+ and JVZ has?

      People work hard on the launch, only to have a 3rd party processor email your buyers and slip in their own affiliate link, before you can even send your "we're live" email. Will this be the same with WP?
      I'm also interested in the answer to this. Will Warrior Payments be acting as an affiliate and promoting the offers as an affiliate? Will you do mailings like WSO of the day? Will you automatically make yourself an affiliate of every offer? Will you clearly and openly present the option for customers to remove Warrior Payments as an affiliate if they choose?

      MOST importantly - if Warrior Payments IS going to act as an affiliate, will you be quietly dropping cookies in various places on your web property, for example within your marketplace pages? If so, are you going to be completely open about all of the different places on your web property where this will occur?

      Many thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyLambert
    Aww that sucks about the free WSOs. I've also enjoyed doing some honor system WSOs where people set their own price.

    Classifieds? Pffft. Does anyone even look in there?

    War Room? Not everyone's a member.

    Also, the person who asked about CHOOSING our affiliates to be approved, was that ever answered? If so, I missed it. I'm picky about who I approve. I don't want a wide open affiliate base.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by TiffanyLambert View Post

      Also, the person who asked about CHOOSING our affiliates to be approved, was that ever answered? If so, I missed it. I'm picky about who I approve. I don't want a wide open affiliate base.
      Once someone requests to be an affiliate, the product seller has the ability to approve or reject them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Salter
      Regarding the Free WSO going away, is that from now or do you have a date in mind when this will be the case?

      Thank You




      Originally Posted by TiffanyLambert View Post

      Aww that sucks about the free WSOs. I've also enjoyed doing some honor system WSOs where people set their own price.

      Classifieds? Pffft. Does anyone even look in there?

      War Room? Not everyone's a member.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        Each day we'll choose a Warrior Daily Deal to promote. You can select the commission Warrior Forum will receive if your product is selected. We recommend commission of over 80%
        Well, that makes the selection criteria pretty obvious. Not a huge issue, since it's called "Deal of the Day" and not anything that implies a choice based on relative merit/value. It's good that it's right there in the open. Saves a lot of conspiracy theory arguments later.

        flyingdutch,

        Nothing will completely stop fake reviews. I'd assume that to be a given.

        This will do a number of useful things in that direction, though. For one thing, it will shut down a lot of the lower-level shills and trolls right away. As long as the review is attached to the forum username and not other info that someone may wish to keep private, there is no reason for a person not to use a system that verifies they actually paid for the product.

        Bang. The people who blast products they haven't bought are shut down. As are the overwhelming majority of the shills, who simply aren't going to have the accounts needed to pull it off.

        It will also save the mods a lot of time. No more arguments and long, drawn out PM exchanges in which a seller insists the member never bought, the member says they did, and no-one is willing to offer evidence.

        It pushes any sort of in-house cheating (seller does all the faking) to areas where there would be "paper trails," creating a real potential for prosecution for fraud.
        how would you tackle a review circle?
        That gets tricky. Sometimes people with shared values and standards promote each others' products for legitimate reasons. It's nearly impossible to tell the difference between that and a "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" agreement without a longer track record.

        I think you'll find the members are pretty sharp about spotting such things. It will still be possible to get some of that by, but it's not a given that it won't go unnoticed.

        The idea of paying people to buy the product and leave a review is a concern. Not many sellers will be willing to do that, but some certainly will. A few will be careless and get caught, but it's generally going to be a tough thing to prove.

        Not a perfect system, but much more transparent than the current status of reviews. And, of course, it would only affect offers transacted through Warrior Payments. It will have no effect on W+, JV Zoo, DigiResults, or people who sell through their own shopping carts.

        I personally think doing away with free WSOs is a bad idea. But that's just my opinion.

        On the question of people selling or trading customer email addresses... Like posting fake reviews or refusing to honor a posted refund policy, that's always been a "Here's the door, don't come back" offense in the past.

        As far as spamming affiliates, Mike Lantz and Brian Zimmerman are very responsible about that. They don't just nuke people based on a single complaint (and they shouldn't), but with proof someone is spamming offers on their systems, they'll dump the affiliate.

        The forum will need to be at least as responsive to such issues. Probably more so.


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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          Well, that makes the selection criteria pretty obvious. Not a huge issue, since it's called "Deal of the Day" and not anything that implies a choice based on relative merit/value.
          I'm probably not understanding the commission then. If a seller gives up 80% I would think he's either going to raise his price or offer only some half baked info product. Sounds like a great way to burn out a list that most people will just stop opening.

          What am I missing?

          Plus why would it be a set percentage. Percentage isn't legal tender - cash is. 25% of 97 is more than 80% or 19.95
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          • Profile picture of the author Martin Salter
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            I'm probably not understanding the commission then. If a seller gives up 80% I would think he's either going to raise his price or offer only some half baked info product. Sounds like a great way to burn out a list that most people will just stop opening.

            What am I missing?

            Plus why would it be a set percentage. Percentage isn't legal tender - cash is. 25% of 97 is more than 80% or 19.95
            Mike, its all about the sales and the buyers list

            If WFP promotes your offer as a deal of the day and because they do so you make 1000 more sales than you would of done by yourself.

            1) You make 20% of your sale x 1000 rather than 100% of flip all!
            2) You are building your buyers list. Nothing to stop you then selling them more, offering upsells etc and building your funnel.

            Hope that makes sense
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Martin Salter View Post


              1) You make 20% of your sale x 1000 rather than 100% of flip all!
              2) You are building your buyers list. Nothing to stop you then selling them more, offering upsells etc and building your funnel.

              Hope that makes sense
              It does but I already knew that (check my stats not a newb) as I think anyone at WF over a year does. but two things

              A) you are thinking only info products. Anything that requires support or service is either going to pass or give some remarkable bad support

              B) you are right from an upsell point of view it makes perfect sense which is why if percentage is the key criteria I would think sellers would create products or stripped down offers just for it. I am talking about how consumers end up viewing the "deal of the day". I'd continue opening it if some really good offers are in there not just people who agreed to pay 80% of some info product just to later upsell me.
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              • Profile picture of the author Martin Salter
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                It does but I already knew that (check my stats not a newb) as I think anyone at WF over a year does. but two things

                A) you are thinking only info products. Anything that requires support or service is either going to pass or give some remarkable bad support

                B) you are right from an upsell point of view it makes perfect sense which is why if percentage is the key criteria I would think sellers would create products or stripped down offers just for it. I am talking about how consumers end up viewing the "deal of the day". I'd continue opening it if some really good offers are in there not just people who agreed to pay 80% of some info product just to later upsell me.
                Mike, sorry if I offended (I did check your stats and thought about it before replying), was just pointing it out in case others thinking the same.

                With regards to your B comment... I agree with your remark, and like everything new, time will tell how that pans out. You could splinter your product down into smaller pieces I guess and give away 80% (or more) of that and then push the main product on the back end.

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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by Martin Salter View Post

                  You could splinter your product down into smaller pieces I guess and give away 80% (or more) of that and then push the main product on the back end
                  agreed! Thats just my point though That and similar strategies is exactly what I would expect marketers to do

                  which from the list openers point of view makes the deal of the day itself more likely to suck
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      • Profile picture of the author Jim Phillips
        I'm looking forward to seeing how the Warrior Payments progresses in the near future. I'm encouraged knowing that freelancer understands what it is doing. They really do have the resources/knowledge to accomplish this task very quickly.

        It is good to see that they are asking for feedback on some of the most critical areas of the Warrior Payment system. Instead of rolling out a completed system that would be more difficult to revamp.

        As far as other payment/affiliate systems I guess they had a chance to purchase warriors forum like freelancer. Does anybody actually think that if jvz, w+, or etc. brought the warrior forum that they would have freely allowed other payment/affiliate systems inside?

        It seems to me that freelancer has done a great job in a very short time overhauling the warrior forum from top to bottom. I wish them much success.

        Of course with their success so will many others succeed therefore providing them more success.

        That is what is so great about capitalism.

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        • Profile picture of the author Alaister
          Originally Posted by Jim Phillips View Post

          I'm looking forward to seeing how the Warrior Payments progresses in the near future. I'm encouraged knowing that freelancer understands what it is doing. They really do have the resources/knowledge to accomplish this task very quickly.

          It is good to see that they are asking for feedback on some of the most critical areas of the Warrior Payment system. Instead of rolling out a completed system that would be more difficult to revamp.

          As far as other payment/affiliate systems I guess they had a chance to purchase warriors forum like freelancer. Does anybody actually think that if jvz, w+, or etc. brought the warrior forum that they would have freely allowed other payment/affiliate systems inside?

          It seems to me that freelancer has done a great job in a very short time overhauling the warrior forum from top to bottom. I wish them much success.

          Of course with their success so will many others succeed therefore providing them more success.

          That is what is so great about capitalism.

          Best Regards,

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          Thanks for your feedback. We'll be constantly working with the community to build in features that people want and will benefit from.
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    • Profile picture of the author RichardWing
      Yes That and others I asked were answered here...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post9375664

      Originally Posted by TiffanyLambert View Post

      Aww that sucks about the free WSOs. I've also enjoyed doing some honor system WSOs where people set their own price.

      Classifieds? Pffft. Does anyone even look in there?

      War Room? Not everyone's a member.

      Also, the person who asked about CHOOSING our affiliates to be approved, was that ever answered? If so, I missed it. I'm picky about who I approve. I don't want a wide open affiliate base.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

      One feature that I would like to see:

      To ask affiliates to automatically sign up for my JV list.

      That feature was recently added to W+ and it is awesome.

      When I release a new WSO I always have to contact my affiliates manually and with 900+ affiliates just on W+ that is a pain in the but. Copy/ paste and then send 10 messages through the forum: not good.

      I prefer to simply ask the affiliates to join my JV announcement list hosted on Aweber.
      This is a great suggestion. We'll look into implementing this.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        This is a great suggestion. We'll look into implementing this.
        Is there somewhere we can see all the features or F.A.Q?
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        • Profile picture of the author GlenH
          Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

          Is there somewhere we can see all the features or F.A.Q?
          Originally Posted by Nic Oliver View Post

          I'd like an easy to find FAQ and updated features list page so we can see the progress being made and so you don't have to answer the same questions 10 times a day!
          I agree..

          Alaister can you put out a list of the functions and features that you've DEFINITELY decided to include in Warrior Payments

          Then maybe a second list for 'proposed' new functions, and keep that list updated.

          That way members can see at a glance what is coming, and avoid requesting functions/ features that will already be included, or are planned inclusions.
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  • Profile picture of the author superowid
    1. Request: Add BITCOIN please into Warrior Payment Button ASAP. Thanks.
    2. Also, is the freelancer's milestone payment system going to be adapted here for "Warrior for Hire" section?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ghoster
    Looks interesting. Nice feature set, but time will tell.
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  • Profile picture of the author Craig Dawber
    Exciting times ahead for warriors and the warrior payments.

    I have to agree with what some of the more experienced marketers have said about any plans to ban other payment networks such as w+, JV zoo etc...I don't think it's right, as warriors we should have the choice about where and how we take payments.

    I'm looking forward to see how this turns out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by Craig Dawber View Post

      Exciting times ahead for warriors and the warrior payments.

      I have to agree with what some of the more experienced marketers have said about any plans to ban other payment networks such as w+, JV zoo etc...I don't think it's right, as warriors we should have the choice about where and how we take payments.

      I'm looking forward to see how this turns out.
      They won't ban them. They don't need to.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        They won't ban them. They don't need to.
        If you read all of Alaister's responses to the question of whether or not we will be able to choose the payment platform that we prefer, his answer is always:

        At this time, you can
        During this phase, you can

        Meaning .....

        No, you won't have a choice soon.

        Except for the fact that JVZoo is not dependent on the WF and you can list there without WF involvement or WSO involvement and I imagine that a lot of people will consider doing just that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          If you read all of Alaister's responses to the question of whether or not we will be able to choose the payment platform that we prefer, his answer is always:

          At this time, you can
          During this phase, you can

          Meaning .....

          No, you won't have a choice soon.

          Except for the fact that JVZoo is not dependent on the WF and you can list there without WF involvement or WSO involvement and I imagine that a lot of people will consider doing just that.
          I have a feeling that the folks at FL will come to their senses and just be happy to compete with the other platforms.

          Sure, the idea of being the only game in town when it comes to WSOs is appealing to them. But I'm sure they'll see the potential downside is greater than the potential upside by making such a move. At the end of the day, FL is better off having viable competition in the payment processing world than in the forum world. There are a lot of people who have built pretty sizable lists here over the years and have a good deal of influence. To risk ticking them off just to own the WSO game outright would be penny wise and pound foolish.

          I'm guessing the wording in Alaister's remarks has more to do with not closing any doors this early in the game. They surely learned that lesson with the price change for a War Room membership.
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  • Profile picture of the author JacobLivingstone
    It would be good if there was the choice between paying the 2% OR a fixed fee similar to JVZoo or Warrior plus.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nic Oliver
    I'd like an easy to find FAQ and updated features list page so we can see the progress being made and so you don't have to answer the same questions 10 times a day!
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by Nic Oliver View Post

      I'd like an easy to find FAQ and updated features list page so we can see the progress being made and so you don't have to answer the same questions 10 times a day!
      Hi Nic,

      Yeh once we gather all the feedback and process it all, we'll be keeping everyone updated in the news section.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Just a quick note...

        While the negatives of losing competition (other payment processors) is obvious, I also think having one system also has positives.

        People keep complaining about the wso section. There seems to be a love/hate relationship there for many.

        It isn't feasible to root out the problems, in that section, based on man power. Adding more people will end up making it more costly and very inefficient.

        Now, when one has enough information, we tend to see patterns or trends which can be taken care of in a efficient way.

        Running all the sales through one system may help in that way.

        Freelancer has the experience to use that information so maybe, just maybe his could be a good thing if they decide to limit other systems. Please note, I'm not saying they will or won't.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          Just a quick note...

          While the negatives of losing competition (other payment processors) is obvious, I also think having one system also has positives.

          People keep complaining about the wso section. There seems to be a love/hate relationship there for many.

          It isn't feasible to root out the problems, in that section, based on man power. Adding more people will end up making it more costly and very inefficient.

          Now, when one has enough information, we tend to see patterns or trends which can be taken care of in a efficient way.

          Running all the sales through one system may help in that way.

          Freelancer has the experience to use that information so maybe, just maybe his could be a good thing if they decide to limit other systems. Please note, I'm not saying they will or won't.
          It may help or it may not, but one thing people will not tolerate, is having their right to choose being taken away. One thing that is for sure, they will choose to take their business elsewhere. It is always better to beat the competition, and not force people into using something they don't want. It could get ugly real fast.

          Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

          No "secret handshake". We'll be choosing the products that we feel are most suitable and will provide the most value to the community.
          Why don't I believe this, I plugged this into the Google translator and this is what it said

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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Alex,
            they will choose to take their business elsewhere.
            Some would, certainly. And that may be an outcome Freelancer is willing to accept in return for what they may expect to be larger revenues.

            A lot of this depends on the long-term strategy, which we don't know. If the goal is to make the WSO section more mainstream in the industry and get rid of the crazy stuff, the potential for new sellers with less over-hyped pitches could make losing some of the current sellers a good choice for them.

            You already know my views on the income promises...

            There is an ocean of people out there who would love to access this audience if they could do so without being associated with the over-the-top claims.


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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

            It may help or it may not, but one thing people will not tolerate, is having their right to choose being taken away. One thing that is for sure, they will choose to take their business elsewhere. It is always better to beat the competition, and not force people into using something they don't want. It could get ugly real fast.
            Doubtful. If people weren't getting value from the wso section, they wouldn't be selling there. Most will continue to do so regardless if they have selling platforms limited. Rightly so since they should be treating this as a business.

            That is the common advice thrown around here.

            Decisions shouldn't be based on emotional responses. If this new service limits your business to the point it isn't advantageous to sell here, then people should sell somewhere else. If it doesn't, well, those people would be foolish to stop selling here just because they got upset.

            As business owners, we do what is right for our customers and our business. It could be using Paypal as a payment processor when we don't care for them or using other platforms. These things are pretty trivial as long as they don't interfere with our ability to attract and service our customers.
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          • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
            Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

            It may help or it may not, but one thing people will not tolerate, is having their right to choose being taken away. One thing that is for sure, they will choose to take their business elsewhere. It is always better to beat the competition, and not force people into using something they don't want. It could get ugly real fast.



            Why don't I believe this, I plugged this into the Google translator and this is what it said

            I agree with you in spirit. However, we've had the option to choose in the past but it wan't a right. It was an option. This place isn't and never was a democracy. The owners can do whatever they want, regardless of how shortsighted and self defeating it may be.
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  • Profile picture of the author gabibeowulf
    Noticed GetResponse is missing from the autoresponder list.

    I don't really like that offering free WSOs would be off the table. Things like building a prelaunch list would then become harder.

    +1 for the Payoneer option. It would be nice not having to rely solely on Paypal.
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  • Profile picture of the author barbling
    Interesting updates indeed.

    I know a number of vendors will put up JVzoo/W+ buttons off the forum (ie, hosted standalone pages). So I doubt JVzoo/W+ would be abandoned.

    Free WSOs are great for building a mailing list and getting folks into deeper/wider sales funnels as well, shame they are going away.

    Hmmm. Will there also be a price limit? ie, One can easily change 2 cents for their free WSO or some such thing....
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    • Profile picture of the author Lance K
      Originally Posted by barbling View Post

      Interesting updates indeed.

      I know a number of vendors will put up JVzoo/W+ buttons off the forum (ie, hosted standalone pages). So I doubt JVzoo/W+ would be abandoned.

      Free WSOs are great for building a mailing list and getting folks into deeper/wider sales funnels as well, shame they are going away.

      Hmmm. Will there also be a price limit? ie, One can easily change 2 cents for their free WSO or some such thing....
      Or offer a coupon code that makes their paid WSO free.

      If WP doesn't want to allow free WSOs because they'll miss out on their 2%, they could always charge a flat fee per download of the free offer.

      If they just want to clean up the WSO section and not include free offers, well I guess that's up to them. It'll take some getting used to, but it might be a good change in the end. Eventually, the organic traffic to the WSO section will almost exclusively be buyer traffic.

      As for nobody going into the Classified Ad section...they will if they figure out that's where to go to get free WSOs. People after free beer always find the party.
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      • Profile picture of the author mbacak
        Originally Posted by Lance K View Post

        People after free beer always find the party.
        hahahahah... :-)

        Hate to change the subject, but I'm
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        • Profile picture of the author Lance K
          Originally Posted by mbacak View Post

          hahahahah... :-)

          Hate to change the subject, but I'm
          going to have to swipe that line.

          Sounds good. I owe you a few swipes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paleochora
    ATTENTION WSO VENDORS:

    If you care about your affiliates you will ignore the subtle hint in this instruction that I found on the new WSO payments set up:

    Recommended Each day we'll choose a Warrior Daily Deal to promote. You can select the commission Warrior Forum will receive if your product is selected. We recommend commission of over 80%
    Just leave that slider alone. Give the WF just the same commission as your affiliates or you are simply short changing them.

    They can "recommend" all they like but take no notice of the extortion attempt. Bit cheeky, that, IMO

    And... I don't like the fact that I can't find where to start a thread without going through this new system from the WSO forum.

    Not impressed at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMMer1975
    Originally Posted by aire View Post

    What do you guys think of this new tool?

    http://WarriorPayments.com
    I love competition as this will only benefit all of us, whether I use warriorpayments or any of the others. I've recently had a rather frustrating experience with one of the other platforms (far too long for approval due to a buggy workflow). So competition means they'll all have to improve.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    I like the idea of a payment system integrated and the reviews thing is neat too. Sure it can be gamed but really anything can and these guys have a lot of experience in how to handle fraudulent reviews.

    One question though, can I get the secret handshake for the wso of the day?

    For the other payment processors it's the old boys club that gets it every time regardless of product quality. I'm hoping that with the new payment system it will be a more even playing field and not based on who you got drunk with at the last meet up.

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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by PPC-Coach View Post

      I like the idea of a payment system integrated and the reviews thing is neat too. Sure it can be gamed but really anything can and these guys have a lot of experience in how to handle fraudulent reviews.

      One question though, can I get the secret handshake for the wso of the day?

      For the other payment processors it's the old boys club that gets it every time regardless of product quality. I'm hoping that with the new payment system it will be a more even playing field and not based on who you got drunk with at the last meet up.

      No "secret handshake". We'll be choosing the products that we feel are most suitable and will provide the most value to the community.
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  • Profile picture of the author Net66
    I think the only problem with this system is it's clearly not even half finished, no consideration of what WSO sellers actually want. Freelancer should have just gone to Mike Lantz and asked if he wanted to sell WarriorPlus!

    Limited auto responder integration, no recurring payment products, no oto handling, no external integration (IPN type for member scripts and license systems).

    It just looks like it's been rushed out in a desperate move to coin in some more cash.

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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by Net66 View Post

      I think the only problem with this system is it's clearly not even half finished, no consideration of what WSO sellers actually want. Freelancer should have just gone to Mike Lantz and asked if he wanted to sell WarriorPlus!

      Limited auto responder integration, no recurring payment products, no oto handling, no external integration (IPN type for member scripts and license systems).

      It just looks like it's been rushed out in a desperate move to coin in some more cash.

      Andy
      not to mention that I get a security warning using Firefox when logging in using my Warrior forum credentials. That stopped me cold from even checking out the system.

      How do I opt out of WarriorPayments.com but still keep my Warriorforum.com long-standing membership? Frankly, I don't like that my information was migrated over to a new website without my permission.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by Net66 View Post

      Limited auto responder integration, no recurring payment products, no oto handling, no external integration (IPN type for member scripts and license systems).
      I appreciate your feedback. This is all coming.
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  • Profile picture of the author UserNewhere
    Hello - I just was wondering what kind of products can be sold in the Warrior Payments (WSO)?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
    My thoughts are that it is a natural step for the Warrior forum. I am really surprised it has never happened before.

    It is a brand new system so there will no doubt be a lot of niggles and teething problems - I remember WSO Pro took a while but has since become a really good system.

    Will be interesting to watch it progress - but personally i like the initiative - it will be a hell of a challenge but be interesting to see what changes and upgrades they put in place.

    One of the first has to be an upsell option!

    Good Luck guys!

    All the best,

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  • Profile picture of the author spearce000
    I wonder how long it will be before you HAVE to use this when you post a WSO.
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  • Profile picture of the author KomaciMG
    Originally Posted by aire View Post

    WF announced the release of Warrior Payments.
    I am really excited. Whats going to happen to JVzoo. All my products there.

    What do you guys think of this new tool?

    http://WarriorPayments.com
    I am excited to see this too. Good timing indeed. We have a bunch of new products coming out. JVzoo to us seemed out of business. We tried to contact them I would say around 7 times. Nothing. I'm signing up now.

    In regards to your products: simply duplicate out your sales site to a new domain and swap out the buttons. (backup your site (assuming WordPress?) and restore it to a new domain, reconnect the database.) That way you can keep your JVzoo listings.

    You don't need to worry about duplicate content issues for your copied out site to take advantage of the affiliate network through WarriorPayments. Or take advantage of this opportunity, a momentum spark maybe, to create a new keyword focused, silo structured, with good on page SEO website and start backlinking with few quality backlinks to generate a potential new traffic source, source of sales.

    Also use the new site to test out different landing pages, offers to build your list, sales letter elements, video sales letters... who knows maybe you could start converting profitably with paid traffic too.

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  • Profile picture of the author wentzco
    Competition is always good & I'm sure there will many improvements added based on feedback.

    Regarding comments about no one visiting the classifieds... that just isn't the case. If that will be future home of free WSOs (hope so) then that will just increase more views to classified ad posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Warrior Payments is shaping up to be a competitor for sure. I wouldn't worry about your products in JVZoo though because it's not going anywhere.

    We will see how it shapes up considering Freelancer is their main business.
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    • Profile picture of the author JR Lang
      I just did a test run through the new system and there is NO way to add an OTO or set up a sales funnel???

      If that's the case I can never use this system, and I know others will feel the same way.

      This thing does look rushed, what about Getresponse will it be included? Can't use it without that either.

      Can a mod please answer the questions being asked here, no sales funnel??
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      • Profile picture of the author mbacak
        Originally Posted by JR Lang View Post

        I just did a test run through the new system and there is NO way to add an OTO or set up a sales funnel???

        If that's the case I can never use this system, and I know others will feel the same way.

        This thing does look rushed, what about Getresponse will it be included? Can't use it without that either.

        Can a mod please answer the questions being asked here, no sales funnel??
        I think these were all answered here or in another thread.

        UPDATE: Just found them on another thread:

        Originally Posted by winebaer View Post

        Thanks for the update and congrats on the big announcement. Despite some of the negative feedback it looks like you guys have a slick looking interface, and some great additional opportunities for the IM crowd.

        In looking at the stream comments, I saw three themes among the questions:

        1) OTO integration
        2) Get Response integration
        3) Will this change anything with pricing on posting an offer thread?

        I know you said on the webinar that the fir two were things you were hoping to add soon... as the are BOTH integral to so many marketers' business models, could you possibly give some sort of anticipated timeline?

        Thanks again!
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        Yes these are two features we are looking to implement.
        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        We'll be meeting as a team and going through everyone's feedback in order to prioritize what we're working on.

        3) This doesn't change the WSO approval fee right now.
        P.S. I'm not a mod - just trying to help ya :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Ethiccash
    People are reluctant to change… but in 6 months from now, no one will remember this thread. Everyone in the forum will use their payment and affiliate systems, and it will be obvious. They don't really have to ban other networks as people won't use them anymore when posting WSOs. Although this would make sense not to have people use 3rd party systems when they have their own system.

    It's not ready yet, FL has no idea what the market is, nor what features are required, but they will just put 10 people on it and get a robust platform in no time. Too bad they have no idea what they're doing, and their questions and follow-up comments regarding "what features do you need" and then "great suggestion, we'll do it" are simply pathetics.

    So, instead of being so defensive (what exactly do people have to protect???), just get used to it, and see that in a few months from now you'll be glad (at least those relying on the WF to make some cash).

    The ice on the cake being the hope for getting "deal of the day" and making 1000 sales (at least at the beginning, until people notice that 99% of WSOs are not worth a deal of the day badge).

    At one point in the past WF was private, and could not be publically mentioned. Like a sect. This was part of the WF myth. Of course this was stupid, and it changed to a public forum. People could not believe such a change was possible and thought their sould would probably instantly burn if they shared a link to the forum! Then, they started to charge to access parts of it, to list offers… and all of sudden it became a business instead of a closed group of internet marketers.

    Just live your life and do what you have to do instead of being worried of such changes. They're not your responsability. Your responsability is to create product and market them, not rely on the big forum to let you do what you think is normal… When things change, there's always an opportunity to make the best of it, or there's the average behavior, the norm, which consists in rejecting all changes...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
    I like the integration into the forum. It appears that all the 'bones' are there, it shouldn't be long before a ton of features are added. It has a slick UI.

    The feedback system is an awful idea if you're a vendor or affiliate. So if you're trying to attract more vendors, there's no way in hell most would go for that.

    You can already see this playing out and the system is barely 24 hours old. This one guy now has a 50% reputation. Why? the first review was 5 stars, the second was 0. The guy who left the 0, didn't get his download: 2014-07-22_1459 - MarkHess's library

    Now imagine that multiplied by 100 if the vendor accidently sets something up wrong when creating their product in the system.

    Vendors already have to deal with trolls, answering support questions, denying people review copies, disclosing OTO's, and a multitude of other things on their thread. Then they have to worry about their 'reputation' within the sales system itself.

    So when 'memakemoneyucan2' who has absolutely nothing to lose and nothing better to do, he can not only pollute your thread with nonsense affecting your sales after refunding the product but also can now factor into your 'reputation'.

    I'm not interested in losing sales as an affiliate (or vendor) because '2sexy4u1989' can't get one-on-one coaching for a $9.00 product so he's pissed, or he doesn't like the sales funnel, or he ate a bad burrito just before ordering and takes it out on the vendor, or he doesn't like the style of font the vendor uses in the PDF.

    So '2sexy4u1989' leaves a 0 star review.

    I mail my list, someone buys. They see '2sexy4u1989's review and immedietly go into the product with a jaded, bad attitude later causing them to refund.

    Because wouldn't everyone go into a product with a poor mindset after handing over money only to find out that what you're getting may not be what the vendor said on the sales page? (even though the review is from a random anonymous person) it still plants that seed of doubt. You go in more skeptical.

    Sometimes all it takes is one little thing to cause people to refund. There's no reason to contribute to refund justification and the review system will do just that.

    This is just one more thing that vendors have to babysit and worry about.

    And saying "well if you had a quality product, you don't have anything to worry about"...

    That's B.S., anyone who does any type of sales volume knows, it doesn't matter how good the product is, you will still get plenty of "those people" especially in this niche. This niche attracts them like crazy.

    And what vendor is going to want to deal with this feedback stuff on a self-hosted launch outside the forum?
    Just my 2 cents
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    • Profile picture of the author Shane N
      Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

      ... Actually JVZoo and W+ vendors can still use the Classified Section to get all the perks of the forum...
      Actually, people can still use WarriorPlus (W+) and other platforms to post WSOs, they just need to use this link: http://www.warriorforum.com/newthrea...newthread&f=17

      Originally Posted by Mark Hess View Post

      With W+ and JVZoo getting kicked off the WSO side of things, that's Freelancers choice and it will be interesting to see how it plays out.
      Alaister said this:

      Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

      We're not banning the use of any network.
      So no one is getting "kicked off the WSO side of things" as far as I can tell...

      Best,
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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Hess
        Originally Posted by Shane N View Post

        Actually, people can still use WarriorPlus (W+) and other platforms to post WSOs, they just need to use this link: http://www.warriorforum.com/newthrea...newthread&f=17

        Also, Alaister said:

        So no one is getting "kicked off the WSO side of things" as far as I can tell...

        Best,
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        Ok, so I missed a few prior posts ... I edited mine to exclude that part.
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    I had a look at the new WF system. My first impression is that its FAR to basic to be even close to viable at this point.Heck you cant even set up a sales funnel from what I can see.

    My second impression was that there is NO support. The Help / FAQ leads to freelancer.com's support.

    My third thought was that there are no affiliates using this, so using this could be a big disadvantage. Getting affiliates to promo for you is hard enough, but no I have to convince them to sign up for this very basic and new platform as well?

    I also noticed that they have there own version of POTD. So they will be jacking our list just like W+ and JVZoo does? Cant tell because they dont have a FAQ up. Really who releases something without the support / FAQ being ready?

    From what I can tell the only advantage here is the lower transaction fee, with the huge disadvantages of it being a poor system (at this point) and of having no affiliates using it. I dont see any reason to use it just yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author mattbarrie
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      I had a look at the new WF system. My first impression is that its FAR to basic to be even close to viable at this point.Heck you cant even set up a sales funnel from what I can see.

      My second impression was that there is NO support. The Help / FAQ leads to freelancer.com's support.

      My third thought was that there are no affiliates using this, so using this could be a big disadvantage. Getting affiliates to promo for you is hard enough, but no I have to convince them to sign up for this very basic and new platform as well?

      I also noticed that they have there own version of POTD. So they will be jacking our list just like W+ and JVZoo does? Cant tell because they dont have a FAQ up. Really who releases something without the support / FAQ being ready?

      From what I can tell the only advantage here is the lower transaction fee, with the huge disadvantages of it being a poor system (at this point) and of having no affiliates using it. I dont see any reason to use it just yet.
      Hi Brutecky

      Thanks for the feedback.

      It's the first release of the product, we value any feedback for critical features you think are missing because we have a large team here rapidly innovating on the product. We want this to be the best payment system possible, designed by WARRIORS for WARRIORS.

      In regards to the support system, we cut it over to our support desk that we use for Freelancer and have set up separate queues. We did this because we have over 300 people in support 24x7x365 on that system in 12 languages and it was the same software that was running for warriorforumsupport.com (kayako). We'll put a bit of Warrior branding on it if you come from the Warrior site, so it looks a bit better. However we have a huge support team there.

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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    Will the Warrior payments platform be open for other sites?

    I mean can I take the WF pay button and put it on a standalone page?

    These are more rhetorical questions as the current answer is no but what about in the future?
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    • Profile picture of the author RichardWing
      Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

      Will the Warrior payments platform be open for other sites?

      I mean can I take the WF pay button and put it on a standalone page?

      These are more rhetorical questions as the current answer is no but what about in the future?
      They said in the live feed that you can sell off wso on your own sales page and site right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

      Will the Warrior payments platform be open for other sites?

      I mean can I take the WF pay button and put it on a standalone page?

      These are more rhetorical questions as the current answer is no but what about in the future?
      The Warrior Payments button can be placed anywhere right now. You can embed the button on your own self hosted sales page or website.
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  • Profile picture of the author smaddoxjr
    The idea behind is great. The rate's look very reasonable. Will try it out in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nail Yener
    I think putting customer reviews on the sales page would be better. No point having them on another page. Doesn't seem technically impossible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    That's most likely what is going to happen. Example below.

    In the first example, a buyer posted 1.0 feedback on a $1.50 WSO. His feedback: "it should be free."

    It's possible it should be free and it's possible it shouldn't be a product at all, but that feedback helps no one make a decision on whether or not to go all out and spend $1.50. No details. That's not feedback ... that's a sarcastic remark.

    Second example: Looks like a buyer thinks it's an awesome product, giving it a full 5.0 rating. Then some assmonkey comes along and gives it a 0 rating because he believes he didn't get a download link yet. Did he tell the seller he has a problem? Who knows. That is not feedback on the product. That is a glitch that probably was temporary and probably was taken care of.
    How long before they start selling WF likes, like they do with Facebook and fake Twitter followers

    Originally Posted by Paul Myers
    Brian,This is something that would concern me if I were involved in the process. Having the entity that approves and moderates offers also taking a financial interest in the success of specific offers.

    What are they going to do if, as has happened with a few WSOTDs, they promote something and the mods find out there's a problem with it?

    The example that springs immediately to mind is the case where Mike Lantz sent a WSOTD email for an offer and I discovered the seller was using a faked income screenshot. (When I showed her how I knew it was faked, she admitted it.)

    Will moderators employed by a company that has a stake in the success of that promotion be willing/able to do anything about such a situation when it arises? Even assuming they are, will people perceive there to be a conflict? Will people whose incomes depend on the forum be willing/able to separate the rules from their fear of being fired over decisions that cost the company money?

    Especially problematic if they're getting a cut of all sales for one processor. Any active moderation that isn't in the favor of the seller and for which the seller uses another payment processing/affiliate platform is going to create complaints about favoritism.

    And when someone uses WarriorPayments and a customer has a complaint removed for cause (swearing, personal attacks), it's going to give rise to the usual noise about favoring the sellers at the expense of buyers.


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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      I am getting a lot of affiliate requests, some accepted and others I am not responding to without wanting to send them a rejection email. This is a lesson W+ learned when it had a similar setup and then had to make changes.

      Suggestion: The list of pending affiliate requests can get unruly, especially with reasons for not rejecting someone. (Example, waiting to see if a new user is a bot or valued forum contributor.) The list needs to be sortable, or at least the most recent request needs to be at the top. Not the first request.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Some would, certainly. And that may be an outcome Freelancer is willing to accept in return for what they may expect to be larger revenues.
    I was thinking the same thing Paul, but then I gave it some thought and the people it could chase away are the ones who bring in the most sales. I don't know the percentages, but I'm pretty sure a small percent (maybe in the single digit) make more sales then the rest combined.

    Piss them off and you can kiss making 2% off their sales goodbye. I don't think the new system would stop them from using the WP, but they are stubborn bunch, take away their options and they will leave.

    We have to remember that most of the biggest sellers here on the WF already get lots of love from W+ and JVZ in the form of WSO's of the day.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Alex,

      You're probably right on the numbers. A few of those big sellers would stay, just because the money is there. As long as the features exist to do what they need to do, they may not care.

      That said, the potential for new sellers dwarfs what exists in that section now. The key is getting them to use it.

      They'll need other ways to accept payments, though. I don't see a lot of the bigger players doing an "all Paypal, all the time" set-up.


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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Alex,

        You're probably right on the numbers. A few of those big sellers would stay, just because the money is there. As long as the features exist to do what they need to do, they may not care.

        That said, the potential for new sellers dwarfs what exists in that section now. The key is getting them to use it.

        They'll need other ways to accept payments, though. I don't see a lot of the bigger players doing an "all Paypal, all the time" set-up.


        Paul
        Guess we'll have to wait and see how it turns out. I have no dog in this fight, but do know how stubborn warriors can be. I've always wanted the WF to come out with their own system, but that was to give us more choices.

        I have no problem if they decide to ban w+ or JVZ, I don't think anybody has a right to tell them what to go with their business, but I do wonder if that would be a good move. JVZ and w+ have shown alot of love to these big sellers, so we'll see if these big sellers can ignore that.

        And I will usually ask the delayed payment vendor to kindly change my payments to instant or I can't promote them.
        Some people can do that, but most can't. If people know you have a great rep as an affiliate, then they will make the switch right away. Just because you can request an instant commission, doesn't mean everyone else can or should
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan Jericho
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    Should be a button 'Report Review' that goes directly to the staff to review. Obviously stating they didnt get it, Is Abuse of the system, they should get a warning and repeated offences should result in a ban from being able to leave reviews.

    Just noticed another on someone elses profile as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Should be a button 'Report Review' that goes directly to the staff to review
    If that happens it will get abused also, every bad review will be reported

    I think the seller should have sold the products for more money. Selling a product for $1.50 make's it easier for people with bad intentions to leave bad reveiws, and it also gives the impression that it must be a bad product, since it's being sold for cheap.
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    For reviews:

    1. Don't allow people to post them until a certain time has passed.
    2. Let users click helpful/not on reviews like Amazon does.
    3. Let sellers reply like eBay does.
    4. Sellers should be able to review buyers.

    You could/should have the reviews on the profile pages.

    For the payment gateway:

    Have an option so only members can buy. Maybe even only ones who have been members for x time.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      I can talk about it from first-hand! I just had a customer who gave me a full 0.0!
      Sometimes we have to step back and remember who many of the buyers / forum users are. Teenagers. People with limited skills around the world. People with limited understanding of English. The "desperate" who cannot make it in the physical world, for many reasons, hopeful things will be different online.

      It's only day 1. Things will be different down the road after all this is digested. One possibility with a rating system is a statistical norming where, for instance, a percentage of the highest and lowest reviews are removed. This helps reduce the impact of a seller buying perfect reviews, and also the laughable examples at the other end already seen in the pictures on this thread.

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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    I too fear that in the nearby future we're all going to be forced to use warrior payments or nothing else as Alaister was quoted as saying "We're not banning the use of any network at this point",

    I've been a WSO seller for several years and my current WSO has over 159,000 views and I have no desire (or margin) for affiliates and therefore use my own paypal button nor do I have any desire to be doubled dipped on, if this changes I will have to jump ship unfortunately...

    Edit: nor do I want somebody else controlling my refunds, my service costs me money to run so refunds hurt a lot, buyers quickly catch drift of this and abuse the heck out of it, this is why I'll never deal on clickbank and i know a lot of other IMers won't either due to this reason, the same product controlled by me gets 2% refund rate but on clickbank gets 17% refund rate, hurts everybody except the dodgy buyer, plus I hope my buyers won't automatically be signed up to get blasted with "deal of the day" affiliate links like W+ does..

    To be honest I'm failing to see the benefits to WSO sellers who've driven a LOT of traffic to this forum over the years, but the immediate benefits to freelancer are clear as day
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    In regards to reviews, the forum is REALLY exposing itself legally by allowing them as a function of their system, especially when those who can leave reviews can do so using alias's.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    So does this stop wso bumping? I hope so. Lets get some fresh stuff on the front page and give other people a chance. Will keep things on page one longer too if things have to run their normal course.
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    • Profile picture of the author Highway55
      Originally Posted by Tim_Carter View Post

      So does this stop wso bumping? I hope so. Lets get some fresh stuff on the front page and give other people a chance. Will keep things on page one longer too if things have to run their normal course.
      Why should a good product that's selling stopped getting bumped? It pays for itself. If you have a great product that gets pushed off the first page, wouldn't you want to bump it back in front of people again?

      The system seems fair in that regard. Why change it?
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      • Profile picture of the author JonHascue
        Totally agree. You may not like it that it moves off page 1 so fast, but you get and have the right to pay again(bump) to get in front of eyes again. If the product is garbage, it won't pay to do it, but good products need to be available or others to see, and it will pay for itself to do so.

        Most, well, smart, marketers will figure out crap from worth it. Nobody buying? It won't be there for long. Can't afford to be there.

        Originally Posted by Highway55 View Post

        Why should a good product that's selling stopped getting bumped? It pays for itself. If you have a great product that gets pushed off the first page, wouldn't you want to bump it back in front of people again?

        The system seems fair in that regard. Why change it?
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        • Profile picture of the author Nic Oliver
          One of the big hassles with Amazon's review system is that people pay for reviews or game the system by lining up all of their friends to post a 5 star review on launch day.

          Until you can find a way a round that (and Amazon has been trying for along time without success), I suggest you nuke the option and spend your time making WP a more profitable experience for seller, affiliate and buyer.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Nic,

            I’m a little confused. If the changes being discussed get rid of the biggest chunk of the problem of fake reviews and trolls, and they would, why should they not be implemented?

            Getting rid of all possible sources of fake or engineered reviews and/or troll attacks is impossible. That shouldn’t stop you from getting rid of the ones you can prevent.


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            • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              Nic,

              I'm a little confused. If the changes being discussed get rid of the biggest chunk of the problem of fake reviews and trolls, and they would, why should they not be implemented?

              Getting rid of all possible sources of fake or engineered reviews and/or troll attacks is impossible. That shouldn't stop you from getting rid of the ones you can prevent.


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              How is a system that does this http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post9378536 (see screenshots) getting rid of fakes and trolls. These may be real buyers but the harm done to the seller's reputations, at least with a low reputation number, is done for no good reason. These aren't reviews, but they are counted in the total anyway, and trust me when I say that getting reviews removed by freelancer, like Elance will be impossible or next to. Once some jackass does this in that system, it is written in stone.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alaister
      Yeh the below are all good points. This is something we saw and are working on a way where we can deal with this misuse of the reviews system. Ryan's idea of having a report button which is then dealt with by staff is a good idea, although we'll only be deleting reviews from people who have not consumed the product like the one below or blatant abuse of the review system.

      We're also going to be making it clearer as to what reviews should and that products should only be reviewed after the item has been properly read or used.


      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      That's most likely what is going to happen. Example below.

      In the first example, a buyer posted 1.0 feedback on a $1.50 WSO. His feedback: "it should be free."

      It's possible it should be free and it's possible it shouldn't be a product at all, but that feedback helps no one make a decision on whether or not to go all out and spend $1.50. No details. That's not feedback ... that's a sarcastic remark.

      Second example: Looks like a buyer thinks it's an awesome product, giving it a full 5.0 rating. Then some assmonkey comes along and gives it a 0 rating because he believes he didn't get a download link yet. Did he tell the seller he has a problem? Who knows. That is not feedback on the product. That is a glitch that probably was temporary and probably was taken care of.

      Originally Posted by CPAMasterX View Post

      I can talk about it from first-hand! I just had a customer who gave me a full 0.0!



      I am not too sure what to say about it... He didn't even check the product (at least he was honest with it...) and not even contacted with me, I went through all my emails (support, personal), membership forum, checked my WF PMs, no questions received!

      ...So I gave up! Fortunately, I have real feedbacks in my sales thread, so people can make decision based on those!

      Imho, this rating system could only work if you set some criterias, so only known and trusted people can vote! This could avoid every misuse and the ratings would be something that help people to make decision!

      It is kinda disturbing and as I see I am not alone with it!

      P.S.: Even worse that I can't even click on his profile to contact him!

      Bests,
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      Originally Posted by Ryan Jericho View Post

      Should be a button 'Report Review' that goes directly to the staff to review. Obviously stating they didnt get it, Is Abuse of the system, they should get a warning and repeated offences should result in a ban from being able to leave reviews.

      Just noticed another on someone elses profile as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author JR Lang
      Alistair is asking for feedback on this system here, http://www.warriorforum.com/suggesti...ggestions.html

      I added my list, I think if many of us do, maybe they will listen.
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    I asked this before but got no answer.......I just was wondering what kind of products can be sold in the Warrior Payments (WSO)?
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      Originally Posted by UserNewhere View Post

      I asked this before but got no answer.......I just was wondering what kind of products can be sold in the Warrior Payments (WSO)?
      Any type of products really, software, services, link building, article writing, PLR packs, How To Guides, anything related to Internet Marketing for marketers.

      You should look through the thread linked below, that is the WSO sales thread and you will see what people are selling.

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      • Profile picture of the author UserNewhere
        Originally Posted by JR Lang View Post

        Any type of products really, software, services, link building, article writing, PLR packs, How To Guides, anything related to Internet Marketing for marketers.

        You should look through the thread linked below, that is the WSO sales thread and you will see what people are selling.

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        What about 3D Products? Can you sell those on WSO?
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    1. I take it from the lack of definite answer that the plan is most certainly to eventually get rid of the other affiliate platforms. I think blind freddy can see that is what will be happening. So I am curious as to what then happens with WSO offers that have been running for months (even years) on other affiliate networks? I wonder if we will then be forced to take payment through WP? I sure hope not.

    2. The IM industry is very much guided by what a small group of people at the very top are doing. All you need to do is look at the last 10 years and you'll see every single advancement or change that was made in our industry was basically orchestrated by some or all of the top marketers in the industry.

    For that reason you will have a tough job selling people into the idea of a new affiliate platform. The sellers that were pulling in majority of the sales in the WSO forum the last few years have nearly all gone in preference of self-hosted launches. So getting them back will be very difficult -- i'd say almost impossible. And if they don't come back then all of their followers don't either.

    Take a look at Deal Guardian for example. They put a ton of time and money into that affiliate platform and it also had all these wizz bang features like the reviews, etc, and everyone was very excited when it was first announced. But it has simply failed to take off like they expected. Why? Because the top marketers in the industry decided they were fine to stay and support JVZoo. They didn't move and so the industry didn't move and thus Deal Guardian didn't fly off as expected.

    What is also funny is that JVZoo has (if I'm correct) been a major sponsor of the Warrior Forum Live event held each year. And that group of top marketers is all very tight and very supportive of one another and thus the support that JVZoo currently has and will continue to have. So I wonder what next years Warrior Live Event will be like if the other platforms are squeezed out of the forum... it may be an empty room.

    It will be really interesting to see how this one plays out. I'm getting some popcorn.
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    • Profile picture of the author brutecky
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      1. I take it from the lack of definite answer that the plan is most certainly to eventually get rid of the other affiliate platforms. I think blind freddy can see that is what will be happening. So I am curious as to what then happens with WSO offers that have been running for months (even years) on other affiliate networks? I wonder if we will then be forced to take payment through WP? I sure hope not.

      2. The IM industry is very much guided by what a small group of people at the very top are doing. All you need to do is look at the last 10 years and you'll see every single advancement or change that was made in our industry was basically orchestrated by some or all of the top marketers in the industry.

      For that reason you will have a tough job selling people into the idea of a new affiliate platform. The sellers that were pulling in majority of the sales in the WSO forum the last few years have nearly all gone in preference of self-hosted launches. So getting them back will be very difficult -- i'd say almost impossible. And if they don't come back then all of their followers don't either.

      Take a look at Deal Guardian for example. They put a ton of time and money into that affiliate platform and it also had all these wizz bang features like the reviews, etc, and everyone was very excited when it was first announced. But it has simply failed to take off like they expected. Why? Because the top marketers in the industry decided they were fine to stay and support JVZoo. They didn't move and so the industry didn't move and thus Deal Guardian didn't fly off as expected.

      What is also funny is that JVZoo has (if I'm correct) been a major sponsor of the Warrior Forum Live event held each year. And that group of top marketers is all very tight and very supportive of one another and thus the support that JVZoo currently has and will continue to have. So I wonder what next years Warrior Live Event will be like if the other platforms are squeezed out of the forum... it may be an empty room.

      It will be really interesting to see how this one plays out. I'm getting some popcorn.
      In the end all of this, and all of the things that Freelance is doing since they bought the WF is the result of one thing that seems apparent. Freelancer.com (and probably Alister as well) really seem to have no experience in this business. They honestly dont seem to know what they are doing and are to full of themselves to accept that. If they where smart they would have hired a very experienced marketer as a consult from day one. They need to understand that there is more to being an expert in this business than spending a bunch of money on a forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

        In the end all of this, and all of the things that Freelance is doing since they bought the WF is the result of one thing that seems apparent. Freelancer.com (and probably Alister as well) really seem to have no experience in this business. They honestly dont seem to know what they are doing and are to full of themselves to accept that. If they where smart they would have hired a very experienced marketer as a consult from day one. They need to understand that there is more to being an expert in this business than spending a bunch of money on a forum.
        Yeah, man, they are really full of themselves. That's why they asked for feedback on pretty much everything so far.

        Dude, you have been the most vocally negative person in these types of threads.

        We get it, you don't like Freelancer. You may not be aware but you don't need to stay here if you don't like it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      2. The IM industry is very much guided by what a small group of people at the very top are doing. All you need to do is look at the last 10 years and you'll see every single advancement or change that was made in our industry was basically orchestrated by some or all of the top marketers in the industry.
      Maybe thats the problem with IM and IM info products (although I don't think its true. technology has been responsible for most changes). Anyway in defense of alastaire and company - Their track record so far has been to be very responsive to the community so maybe its too soon to be projecting what will be the case. It may well be that from a coding standpoint it was just easier to set it up the way it is. It takes more to code in additional options than just having one

      I just don't know that any company worth its sauce should wave the red flag and say we have competitors so we should stay out of a market but I do agree choice is better.
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  • Profile picture of the author bgean
    It's a nice addition, but as a seller I would still like the option of where I add my product for sale.This means if I want to list it with JVZoo and sell it from the WSO - I should still be able to do that.

    Giving me Warrior Payments is great, but don't force me to conform to the Warrior Payments system. I'm already paying $20 to offer the WSO.

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    They have just launched the system so I feel we should give them some time and I hope they are listening to the feedback and improve the system in the interest of all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    I explained up-thread how it would stop most of those.

    As far as the comments affecting someone's rating, that's something you have to rely on the intelligence of the members to interpret. They're a pretty smart crowd, by and large. These folks certainly have the brains to understand the difference between a 2-comment rating and something based on dozens or hundreds or thousands of paying customers.

    If a star system is put in place, it should show the number of comments next to the average. Beyond that, folks will figure it out pretty quickly.

    Thought: Don't display any ratings at all until there are X comments. X being at least 10, I should think.


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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

      They're a pretty smart crowd, by and large.
      Based on some of the offers bought in droves I beg to differ

      These folks certainly have the brains to understand the difference between a 2-comment rating and something based on dozens or hundreds or thousands of paying customers.
      The problem is if you get those kind of ratings early in the process and you don't have a big launch you will never get the numbers to offset that bad start.

      I mean once people start to rely on the reviews. On the other hand its really no different than what could happen on open threads. At least this way you can weed some of the non buyers out and if your product charges a real enough price weed out some of the kiddies as well.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Based on some of the offers bought in droves I beg to differ :

        The problem is if you get those kind of ratings early in the process and you don't have a big launch you will never get the numbers to offset that bad start.

        I mean once people start to rely on the reviews. On the other hand its really no different than what could happen on open threads. At least this way you can weed some of the non buyers out and if your product charges a real enough price weed out some of the kiddies as well.
        I agree. I've worked with sites with ratings like that and it is ridiculous the latitude that the buyers are given to destroy reputations in a keystroke. Freelance sites love this system and are completely blind and inflexible to the idea that someone would deliberately harm your reputation for reasons other than whether or not them like a product.

        As for the intelligence of the "crowd," I see waves and waves of 2014 signups with little command of the English language and nothing to indicate that they're "a pretty smart crowd." As a result, I see fewer meaningful conversations going on in the main forums.

        In the long run, it doesn't matter to me what they do, because I don't feel that they're in it for the long run. Maximize the monetization of the forum and it's more attractive in that big payday when you decide to sell off freelancer and it's assets.

        Either way, the Internet is a big place and I will never use a payment system that doesn't fit my criteria for a payment system, and that would include Delayed Payments for affiliates, complete control over my own refunds and other features that are up to par with the competition and pricing that is fair and reasonable. Right now they're trying to compete on price, but as soon as they eliminate the competition ... well, a look at the new War Room fee is a good indication of what will happen to their pricing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ben Gordon
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I agree. I've worked with sites with ratings like that and it is ridiculous the latitude that the buyers are given to destroy reputations in a keystroke. Freelance sites love this system and are completely blind and inflexible to the idea that someone would deliberately harm your reputation for reasons other than whether or not them like a product.
          Totally agree. Even if ALL your buyers are absolutely satisfied and you have the best product in the world, you're still gonna have competitors buy your product just to harm your reputation. This "rating" system will be a COMPLETE failure for the WF marketplace. There's no question to it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          I agree. I've worked with sites with ratings like that and it is ridiculous the latitude that the buyers are given to destroy reputations in a keystroke.
          Leaving marks pro or con against a seller rep ought to be an earned privilege. I suggest it be tied to the thank metric we already have which isn't being utilized for anything but show - yet is already in the database to be tied in. You have to have a minimum thanks to post reviews in the rating system (anyone can still "review" in post comments)

          It might not be game proof but if the only way you can build or tear down a reputation of a member is to put something into the community it makes the whole system (with its recommendation or critiques) more valuable.

          Personally I don't take the reviews pro or con of a poster with no standing in the community as anything valuable anyway because they are just a username and can be anyone -even the seller
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          • Profile picture of the author JensSteyaert
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Leaving marks pro or con against a seller rep ought to be an earned privilege. I suggest it be tied to the thank metric we already have which isn't being utilized for anything but show - yet is already in the database to be tied in. You have to have a minimum thanks to post reviews in the rating system (anyone can still "review" in post comments)

            It might not be game proof but if the only way you can build or tear down a reputation of a member is to put something into the community it makes the whole system (with its recommendation or critiques) more valuable.

            Personally I don't take the reviews pro or con of a poster with no standing in the community as anything valuable anyway because they are just a username and can be anyone -even the seller
            Yes that would be a good idea, there needs to be a metric to determine who can post a rating, and the thanks a person received from being active in the forum would be perfect for that.

            It would definately give more credibility to the ratings as opposed to the rating system now...
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            • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
              A couple issues:

              1. After the affiliate commission percentage is set, it cannot be changed. Not globally and not per affiliate.

              Related: can a seller ban an affiliate? Such as for spamming or illegal advertising?


              2. If the commission percent is set to 100% the PayPal adaptive payments are not working right.

              When someone buys through a referral, no payment is made to my PayPal account, and I am not paying the forum transaction fees and am not paying the affiliate.

              I also am not receiving buyer information in PayPal, which can be critical. Of course, I cannot handle any buyer issues in PayPal.

              Instead the affiliate's PayPal account is replacing the seller's PayPal account, and the affiliate is being treated as the seller. I believe this means the affiliate is paying the forum transaction fees and the affiliate is receiving the buyer information in PayPal.

              This is not how adaptive payments are supposed to work, where the seller is entirely cut out of the the transaction (except for the joy of handling support requests for a buyer they do not know about, do not have the PayPal transaction ID, etc.)

              Basically, if the forum receives a 100% commission we have a ClickBank situation where the forum is actually selling the product, receiving the buyer information, handling issues and refunds in PayPal, paying all taxes, etc.

              This is not like any adaptive payments I have seen setup anywhere else.


              3. The support in removing a troll trying to harm a WSO was incredible fast. Possibly the fastest response I have seen.

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  • Profile picture of the author careybaird
    For those of you unsure exactly what happens with the payments.. I did a test payment.

    Payments are paid to you and then split to WF and your affiliate (if applicable). You retain control over the transaction and don't get "double fees" from PayPal.

    As noted elsewhere the description of the purchase is "Freelancer PLC", so hopefully they will fix that soon.

    Gonna give this a whirl
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by careybaird View Post


      Payments are paid to you and then split to WF and your affiliate (if applicable). You retain control over the transaction and don't get "double fees" from PayPal.
      So you are in control of whether to give a refund or not? the last thing this place needs is a direct invitation to refunders knowing they will get a no hassle regardless of the facts instant refund.
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      • Profile picture of the author careybaird
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        So you are in control of whether to give a refund or not? the last thing this place needs is a direct invitation to refunders knowing they will get a no hassle regardless of the facts instant refund.
        It is the same situation as JVZoo.. theoretically, the JVZoo or WF staff could initiate a refund. You grant permission for them to do so when you link your PP account but at JVZoo it is only so you can use the "refund" function in your JVZoo admin area.

        I would wait for an official statement from WF on whether they intend to initiate refunds or not.. and under what circumstances.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by careybaird View Post

          It is the same situation as JVZoo.. theoretically, the JVZoo or WF staff could initiate a refund. You grant permission for them to do so when you link your PP account but at JVZoo it is only so you can use the "refund" function in your JVZoo admin area.

          I would wait for an official statement from WF on whether they intend to initiate refunds or not.. and under what circumstances.
          I'm new to such payment systems as I have done everything under my own control so I thank you for the heads up. Thats perhaps another reason against everyone using a payment system - Many services will disappear. As a service provider I can tell you the world is full of people who try to get services for free and unlike digital info products those services cost the seller.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kajova
          Could anyone tell me how we create a WSO without using WP?

          All I see on the WSO forum is a button titled "Create a new WSO" which takes me directly to warrior payments?
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          • Profile picture of the author Shane N
            Originally Posted by Kajova View Post

            Could anyone tell me how we create a WSO without using WP?

            All I see on the WSO forum is a button titled "Create a new WSO" which takes me directly to warrior payments?
            You can create a new WSO without using Warrior Payments at this link:

            http://www.warriorforum.com/newthrea...newthread&f=17
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            • Profile picture of the author Kajova
              Thanks Shane! Am I right in saying this link has been hidden from view?

              Originally Posted by Shane N View Post

              You can create a new WSO without using Warrior Payments at this link:

              http://www.warriorforum.com/newthrea...newthread&f=17
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              • Profile picture of the author Shane N
                Originally Posted by Shane N View Post

                You can create a new WSO without using Warrior Payments at this link:

                http://www.warriorforum.com/newthrea...newthread&f=17
                Originally Posted by Kajova View Post

                Thanks Shane! Am I right in saying this link has been hidden from view?
                It does seem to be hard to find for now, but Alaister himself linked to it in this post here:

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                • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
                  I agree. I've worked with sites with ratings like that and it is ridiculous the latitude that the buyers are given to destroy reputations in a keystroke. Freelance sites love this system and are completely blind and inflexible to the idea that someone would deliberately harm your reputation for reasons other than whether or not them like a product.
                  The review system can be gamed either way. How long before sellers have their subscribers drop a five star rating. Ass kissing is already rampant in the WSO section, to the point where Warriors can see right through the brown nosing, so using the rating system will be easier to manipulate.

                  Thanks Shane! Am I right in saying this link has been hidden from view?
                  It is hidden, it should be front and center with the other buy button. Instead the page is linked up in some random thread. Judging from the legitimate questions that are being ignored, we can expect some drastic changes coming soon
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                  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
                    Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

                    The review system can be gamed either way. How long before sellers have their subscribers drop a five star rating. Ass kissing is already rampant in the WSO section, to the point where Warriors can see right through the brown nosing, so using the rating system will be easier to manipulate.



                    It is hidden, it should be front and center with the other buy button. Instead the page is linked up in some random thread. Judging from the legitimate questions that are being ignored, we can expect some drastic changes coming soon
                    Not to mention CLIQUES (groups of people that build each other's 'credibility' up to the disadvantage of the larger community). Also, are there any safeguards against moderators favoring one group of people against the rest of the community? This happens a lot at forums and platforms.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

                    The review system can be gamed either way. How long before sellers have their subscribers drop a five star rating. Ass kissing is already rampant in the WSO section, to the point where Warriors can see right through the brown nosing, so using the rating system will be easier to manipulate.
                    Of course the rating system can be gamed either way and that's what makes it both detrimental to sellers and a nuisance to buyers. What exactly is the point when commenting in the thread achieved the same results. Shills could shill and trolls can troll and honest reviews are mixed in with both. Call it Feedback or Reputation, throw in some adorable little stars and it's still the same old crap. At least when trolls hit the thread, the mods would investigate and remove their comments if warranted. Now the trolls will live on for eternity, because Feedback is NEVER removed.

                    I predict this is going to be a big problem for sellers ... unfair and irrelevant feedback that is detrimental both to their reputations and their sales. They won't put up with that for long. This isn't freelancer. On freelancer and Elance when spite/troll feedback occurs, you have to live with it and hope that you can still win projects. Here, you don't have to live with it. You can launch your product through JVZoo or a host of other places.
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                    • Profile picture of the author WillR
                      Originally Posted by linkwhizz View Post

                      I might be missing something here but from a business point of view, isn't the main problem the fact that very few vendors launch here anymore?

                      The reason that happened wasn't because of the affiliate platform or the payment processor. It was because of the limitations of a forum sales page when compared to a self hosted.
                      Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                      Some vendors have stopped launching from here because their products suck or stop working shortly after launch and/or they have terrible support. These vendors cannot deal with the honest negative public reviews so they use sales pages that do not allow any buyer feedback.

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                      The reason top vendors left the forum was simple. There was no longer any advantage to launching inside of a forum. The WSO forum was great back in it's day and used to get a ton of organic traffic and affiliates... and a lot of the offers being posted were awesome.

                      That has since changed. The traffic has dropped off, top affiliates and vendors have gone elsewhere and so there is no longer any advantage to sending your traffic inside of someone elses website and building their brand. It's much easier and more sensible to do self hosted launches.

                      You guys might remember the FSO (Forum Special Offers) forum created by some of the top vendors in the niche and also the integrated payment/affiliate platform they created for that. Again, a lot of money and time was put into creating that platform but it just didn't take off as expected because the top vendors in this niche have moved back to self-hosted launches and I see no reason why they would ever move back to forum launches.

                      Just the reality of the situation.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                        Suzanne,
                        As for the intelligence of the "crowd," I see waves and waves of 2014 signups with little command of the English language and nothing to indicate that they're "a pretty smart crowd."
                        Intelligence is not measured by fluency in English. The complexity of the questions they can ask in it is limited by that, though. It's a problem, but not one of brains.

                        This happens every time Internet access becomes more affordable or available in a market. We've gone through the cycle with India and the Philippines, then Bangladesh (still happening), and now Viet Nam.

                        Mike,
                        The problem is if you get those kind of ratings early in the process and you don't have a big launch you will never get the numbers to offset that bad start.
                        The idea of not displaying any star ratings until you have X comments from verified buyers might address that issue.

                        One thing I can see happening is a tendency for a lot of lower-priced offers to get worse ratings. The people who complain the most and the loudest tend to buy cheap stuff and expect the world for their $4.95.

                        As far as the reasons some vendors don't sell here any more, all of the ones mentioned (plus the fact that some got banned and can't) apply for some people. From what I've observed, there's one that applies more and doesn't get mentioned often.

                        The number of affiliates with lists of buyers big enough to sustain launches has grown to the point where the group as a whole is a sustainable independent eco-system. Launching outside the forum allows them to use tools and techniques they can't here, whether for policy or simple technical reasons. Then there's the control over the total look and feel of the pages and elimination of the approval process.

                        The one I hear most is "Trolls!" That's definitely a problem, but not to nearly the extent some sellers claim.

                        Example: I spoke with a guy who sells here with a partner, and he couldn't understand why his partner insisted on using the WSO section. He complained rather bitterly about the trolls and the "ridiculous refund rate." I told him why he got the complaints, and he agreed they were partially responsible. I then asked him to check what his refund rate was for sales made here. He was dumbfounded when he saw it was around 2%.

                        Me: What's your normal refund rate?
                        Him: 2%.
                        Me: How much have you sold through the forum?
                        Him: [relatively big number]
                        Me: That's all extra sales. What do you think your refund rate on the same product would be through Clickbank?
                        Him: A lot more than 2%!

                        He got the point.

                        A lot of people complain about things that aren't really issues, simply because the public nature of the threads brings their egos into play.

                        Know who complains the most about "trolls?" The sellers who abuse their customers verbally, or whose response times are measured in weeks, rather than days. They choose to do things any reasonable person should know will anger their customers and then expect the mods to clean up after them.

                        I'm not saying the problems don't exist. They do, and they need addressing, to whatever extent is practical. Just keep in mind that there are other factors involved, and the sellers aren't going to mention them all.

                        Anyway, the segment of sellers who go off to their own pages is an inevitable result of the forum reaching the size it has. It is what created the resources that sustain that separate group. It's also inevitable that, barring changes that actively repel them, new sellers will develop and work inside the forum.

                        Part of the cycle. Just like it's part of the cycle that some of the smart ones are coming back, and using a higher than average quality of product and customer service to take over the top spots among regular WSO buyers.


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                      • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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                        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

                        You guys might remember the FSO (Forum Special Offers) forum created by some of the top vendors in the niche and also the integrated payment/affiliate platform they created for that. Again, a lot of money and time was put into creating that platform but it just didn't take off as expected because the top vendors in this niche have moved back to self-hosted launches and I see no reason why they would ever move back to forum launches.
                        Not everyone is a "top" vendor and reality says only a few people percentage wise become "top" vendors on any platform in a given market, self hosted or not.

                        That said, some vendors moved from Warrior Forum to FSO because they thought FSO would be less "noisy" and troll free. Reality was that meant MORE censorship of user/buyer feedback --> and in the end a bunch of crap products that went virtually unsupported were launched from there. That's what I saw go down over at FSO and it's part of the reason it's so dead today.

                        I am no noob when it comes to selling online as I've been selling from my own "self-hosted" sites since 2002 and I have had basically zero complaints and less than a handful of refunds over the past 13 years.

                        Yeah, many established vendors may not realize an advantage from forum launches these days, but most certainly some vendors have left the forums because they can't take the negative feedback on their bogus products and crap service(s).

                        I hear what you are saying --> but one advantage of self hosting is you can have a ton of affiliates that only care about making a few sales sending traffic to a page without the vendor having to worry about maintaining the sales thread and dealing with negative feedback.

                        Sure FSO was created by some of the "top" vendors and obviously the way the forum was moderated was skewed towards taking care of the vendors and not the consumers. I watched with my own eyes as tons of legit posts disappeared and threads were closed when the heat got to be too much for the crap cooks in the kitchen.

                        It was a bit busy when it was going fairly good --> but then the signs of death set in rather quickly and I for one am not shedding many tears. I do agree with you on the fact that forum launches do seem to have much less benefit than they used to have...but maybe now that you can again advertise for affiliates on your sales thread may bring a few more affiliates to the table.

                        And yeah, I know almost all of the very high dollar launches are using self hosted solutions these days. The thing is many vendors and marketers are just getting started and for those people a forum launch may still make some sense. For some of the other folks that are doing forum launches they may be trying to tap some sources and markets they have not yet been exposed to.

                        I also agree with the others that have mentioned the quality of many WSOs these days are pretty low. I don't know what the ratio of gems to junk was 4-10 years ago but it seems like a relatively small number at this point.

                        Cheers

                        -don
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                        • Profile picture of the author WillR
                          Originally Posted by ForumGuru View Post

                          Not everyone is a "top" vendor and reality says only a few people percentage wise become "top" vendors on any platform in a given market, self hosted or not.
                          Spot on. And do you want to have a guess how many of the sales that top group of vendors account for on most platforms... I would say 95%+.

                          If I were running a platform it is those top 5% of vendors I would be trying to please because they are the ones who will bring you the majority of the profits. The old 80-20 rule never fails.

                          A launch from one top vendor would likely bring in more sales (thus more profit for the forum) within a few hours than the other 95% of sellers combined do over a few days/week.
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                          • Profile picture of the author ExRat
                            Hi Alaister,

                            Back in comment #82 I asked some questions, some of which have been answered. It would be great if you could possibly address the ones that haven't -

                            In comment #151 while discussing 'WSO of the day' recommendations which will be promoted by you via warrior payments choice of 'WSO of the day', you say -

                            We'll be choosing the products that we feel are most suitable and will provide the most value to the community.
                            Will you automatically make yourself an affiliate of every offer? Will you present the option for vendors to remove Warrior Payments as an affiliate if they choose to do so?

                            Will you be dropping your affiliate cookies anywhere on your own web property, for example within your Warrior Payments marketplace pages when someone is browsing around looking for products to promote (affiliate) or buy (buyer)?

                            Regarding -

                            the products that we feel are most suitable and will provide the most value to the community.
                            I just took a look at the email you sent me today via the warrior forum newsletter and the WSO product you are promoting within that email (there's no other 'news' in the email). You, yourself, make some interesting claims within that email -

                            What if I told you within an hour, you could have your very own autopilot website up and running, bringing in huge amounts of traffic and potentially thousands of dollars in revenue without ever spending a penny on advertising.
                            Build authority websites that attract traffic and earnings on autopilot!
                            I also looked through the WSO thread and examined the claims made by the vendor, his responses to the questions asked and formed an opinion on the general viability of the product in light of the claims made, based on my own experiences of building similar websites over a number of years and because I am always interested in offers of this type.

                            Would you say that the WSOs that you will promote as 'WSO of the day' will be chosen via the same/a similar criteria as is being used to choose the WSOs you are promoting in your newsletter emails?

                            On a sidenote, I found it fascinating to see the new WSO review system at work and to note that the very first review, which came in two days before anyone elses from a very well known longstanding warrior was a 5 star rating -

                            https://payments.warriorforum.com/pr...20Jericho.html

                            It's interesting to contrast this and the claims made about this product by warrior forum itself in the newsletter, with the review posted in comment# 79 in the WSO thread -

                            If you're serious about affiliate marketing as a business, and you like to build quality sites, then I'd steer clear.
                            This offer comes at time when Google is punishing sites like these, especially when you're not using an aged domain, not to mention the plugin hasn't been updated in nearly 18 months. :-
                            Fascinating stuff, interesting times for warrior forum.

                            Many thanks.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Ryan Jericho
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                              Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                              Hi Alaister,

                              Back in comment #82 I asked some questions, some of which have been answered. It would be great if you could possibly address the ones that haven't -

                              In comment #151 while discussing 'WSO of the day' recommendations which will be promoted by you via warrior payments choice of 'WSO of the day', you say -

                              Will you automatically make yourself an affiliate of every offer? Will you present the option for vendors to remove Warrior Payments as an affiliate if they choose to do so?

                              Will you be dropping your affiliate cookies anywhere on your own web property, for example within your Warrior Payments marketplace pages when someone is browsing around looking for products to promote (affiliate) or buy (buyer)?

                              Regarding -

                              I just took a look at the email you sent me today via the warrior forum newsletter and the WSO product you are promoting within that email (there's no other 'news' in the email). You, yourself, make some interesting claims within that email -

                              I also looked through the WSO thread and examined the claims made by the vendor, his responses to the questions asked and formed an opinion on the general viability of the product in light of the claims made, based on my own experiences of building similar websites over a number of years and because I am always interested in offers of this type.

                              Would you say that the WSOs that you will promote as 'WSO of the day' will be chosen via the same/a similar criteria as is being used to choose the WSOs you are promoting in your newsletter emails?

                              On a sidenote, I found it fascinating to see the new WSO review system at work and to note that the very first review, which came in two days before anyone elses from a very well known longstanding warrior was a 5 star rating -

                              https://payments.warriorforum.com/pr...20Jericho.html

                              It's interesting to contrast this and the claims made about this product by warrior forum itself in the newsletter, with the review posted in comment# 79 in the WSO thread -

                              Fascinating stuff, interesting times for warrior forum.

                              Many thanks.
                              I mean really? Out of the reviews in the system, and many positive comments, you pick out two opinionated reviews towards my WSO? Nice job there.

                              I have a refund Policy that will ensure everyone suceeds, even offering up one of my own sites etc, and a Bonus that is worth 10x the WSO Price.

                              You can't please everyone with a WSO.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Alaister
                              Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                              Will you automatically make yourself an affiliate of every offer? Will you present the option for vendors to remove Warrior Payments as an affiliate if they choose to do so?

                              Will you be dropping your affiliate cookies anywhere on your own web property, for example within your Warrior Payments marketplace pages when someone is browsing around looking for products to promote (affiliate) or buy (buyer)?
                              Hi ExRat,

                              Great questions.

                              No we don't automatically sign ourselves up as an affiliate for everything. When creating your offer your can select whether your would like to be eligible for Warrior Daily Deals. If you select no we will no be signed up as an affiliate.

                              We don't drop affiliate cookies anywhere on our site. No affiliate cookies are dropped when people are browsing Warrior Payments.

                              In regards to today's Warrior Daily Deal, that first review had nothing to do with us. The buyer who wasn't a warrior forum member was able to enter a "name" to associate with the review. Obviously this is a problem as they can enter anything in this field. In this instance they entered in "admin". We'll be working on fixing this.

                              We feel this WSO offers good value to people who purchase. Overall it has received good feedback from buyers both in our review system and on the forum. We are working on improving our review system based on the community's feedback. At the end of the day not every WSO will be suitable for everyone.
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                              • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
                                Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

                                In regards to today's Warrior Daily Deal, that first review had nothing to do with us. The buyer who wasn't a warrior forum member was able to enter a "name" to associate with the review. Obviously this is a problem as they can enter anything in this field. In this instance they entered in "admin". We'll be working on fixing this.
                                You need to either put the name from PayPal or their logged in user name. No other option.

                                -g
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                            • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
                              I think I know what the vendor you mention in your post is thinking.

                              WOOT! I just got promoted to the same buying audience that my competitors who also paid for their WSO are trying to get sales from.

                              I'm sorry but doesn't any one see a problem with this? It's completely UNFAIR to others who have the same or very similiar product who've PAID for advertising!

                              Honestly, if you're going to take money for advertising you have NO BUSINESS promoting any advertiser, whether its for money or not. The second the money exchanged hands between the advertiser and you (the forum), you entered into a fiduciary role in the relationship with the advertiser.

                              Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                              Hi Alaister,

                              Back in comment #82 I asked some questions, some of which have been answered. It would be great if you could possibly address the ones that haven't -

                              In comment #151 while discussing 'WSO of the day' recommendations which will be promoted by you via warrior payments choice of 'WSO of the day', you say -

                              Will you automatically make yourself an affiliate of every offer? Will you present the option for vendors to remove Warrior Payments as an affiliate if they choose to do so?

                              Will you be dropping your affiliate cookies anywhere on your own web property, for example within your Warrior Payments marketplace pages when someone is browsing around looking for products to promote (affiliate) or buy (buyer)?

                              Regarding -

                              I just took a look at the email you sent me today via the warrior forum newsletter and the WSO product you are promoting within that email (there's no other 'news' in the email). You, yourself, make some interesting claims within that email -

                              I also looked through the WSO thread and examined the claims made by the vendor, his responses to the questions asked and formed an opinion on the general viability of the product in light of the claims made, based on my own experiences of building similar websites over a number of years and because I am always interested in offers of this type.

                              Would you say that the WSOs that you will promote as 'WSO of the day' will be chosen via the same/a similar criteria as is being used to choose the WSOs you are promoting in your newsletter emails?

                              On a sidenote, I found it fascinating to see the new WSO review system at work and to note that the very first review, which came in two days before anyone elses from a very well known longstanding warrior was a 5 star rating -

                              https://payments.warriorforum.com/pr...20Jericho.html

                              It's interesting to contrast this and the claims made about this product by warrior forum itself in the newsletter, with the review posted in comment# 79 in the WSO thread -

                              Fascinating stuff, interesting times for warrior forum.

                              Many thanks.
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                              • Profile picture of the author barbling
                                Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

                                I think I know what the vendor you mention in your post is thinking.

                                WOOT! I just got promoted to the same buying audience that my competitors who also paid for their WSO are trying to get sales from.

                                I'm sorry but doesn't any one see a problem with this? It's completely UNFAIR to others who have the same or very similiar product who've PAID for advertising!

                                Honestly, if you're going to take money for advertising you have NO BUSINESS promoting any advertiser, whether its for money or not. The second the money exchanged hands between the advertiser and you (the forum), you entered into a fiduciary role in the relationship with the advertiser.
                                Correct me if I'm wrong but don't JVzoo and W+ do the same thing as well?

                                Nobody seems to have a problem with that.....
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                                • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                                  Originally Posted by barbling View Post

                                  Correct me if I'm wrong but don't JVzoo and W+ do the same thing as well?

                                  Nobody seems to have a problem with that.....
                                  Not really, Russ is talking about paying for ad space and competitors getting preferential treatment who are paying for the same service as him.

                                  As far as I understand jvzoo and w+, you are not paying for ad space.

                                  Besides that, I have seen some complaints about them mailing offers to vendor's lists.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
                              Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

                              Hi Alaister,

                              Back in comment #82 I asked some questions, some of which have been answered. It would be great if you could possibly address the ones that haven't -

                              In comment #151 while discussing 'WSO of the day' recommendations which will be promoted by you via warrior payments choice of 'WSO of the day', you say -

                              Will you automatically make yourself an affiliate of every offer? Will you present the option for vendors to remove Warrior Payments as an affiliate if they choose to do so?

                              Will you be dropping your affiliate cookies anywhere on your own web property, for example within your Warrior Payments marketplace pages when someone is browsing around looking for products to promote (affiliate) or buy (buyer)?

                              Regarding -

                              I just took a look at the email you sent me today via the warrior forum newsletter and the WSO product you are promoting within that email (there's no other 'news' in the email). You, yourself, make some interesting claims within that email -

                              I also looked through the WSO thread and examined the claims made by the vendor, his responses to the questions asked and formed an opinion on the general viability of the product in light of the claims made, based on my own experiences of building similar websites over a number of years and because I am always interested in offers of this type.

                              Would you say that the WSOs that you will promote as 'WSO of the day' will be chosen via the same/a similar criteria as is being used to choose the WSOs you are promoting in your newsletter emails?

                              On a sidenote, I found it fascinating to see the new WSO review system at work and to note that the very first review, which came in two days before anyone elses from a very well known longstanding warrior was a 5 star rating -

                              https://payments.warriorforum.com/pr...20Jericho.html

                              It's interesting to contrast this and the claims made about this product by warrior forum itself in the newsletter, with the review posted in comment# 79 in the WSO thread -

                              Fascinating stuff, interesting times for warrior forum.

                              Many thanks.
                              Thanks for this - very fascinating ! I miss Allen - and I hope he sees this.
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                          • Profile picture of the author ForumGuru
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                            Originally Posted by WillR View Post

                            Spot on. And do you want to have a guess how many of the sales that top group of vendors account for on most platforms... I would say 95%+.

                            If I were running a platform it is those top 5% of vendors I would be trying to please because they are the ones who will bring you the majority of the profits. The old 80-20 rule never fails.

                            A launch from one top vendor would likely bring in more sales (thus more profit for the forum) within a few hours than the other 95% of sellers combined do over a few days/week.
                            Obviously forum profit appears to be the primary objective at this point but is that really making this community a better community? From what we have seen so far the quality of posts in the main section may have deteriorated a bit over the past few months.

                            For better or for worse the WSO section seems to include a ton of WSO listings that only make a few sales as well as WSOs that are free for list building purposes. As you know up until now the WF was making it's money off of all those listing fees and bumps (noobs, wannabees, and no-sales included) but obviously the WF financial landscape is rapidly changing --> and it appears as if the spirit of the forum may be as well.

                            Unfortunately some of those big dog vendors push nothing but crap products with an army of affiliates...you know it, I know it, and they know it. Of course some of the "top" vendors are selling legit stuff but to be honest a lot of stuff put out by some of those big dogs is quite suspect. The sad thing is many of those dogs and their affiliates feel no shame or have any regrets whatsoever. Oh well, internet marketing life goes on and now we have another affiliate platform to consider, conflict of interest or not.

                            Cheers

                            -don
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                      • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
                        Originally Posted by WillR View Post

                        The reason top vendors left the forum was simple. There was no longer any advantage to launching inside of a forum. The WSO forum was great back in it's day and used to get a ton of organic traffic and affiliates... and a lot of the offers being posted were awesome.

                        That has since changed. The traffic has dropped off, top affiliates and vendors have gone elsewhere and so there is no longer any advantage to sending your traffic inside of someone elses website and building their brand. It's much easier and more sensible to do self hosted launches.