I MADE IT --- made passive income at last!

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I don't know how many of you will relate to me or understand how I feel or what I went through but I wanted to share my success with everyone for two reasons: 1) because I feel so proud of myself and want to brag. And 2) because there aren't enough successful people sharing about how they feel and more so it's all the guys that failed and sharing their failures and only further contributing to the false idea that this dream is impossible.


*** THEN ***

I used to be a regular smart dude. Smart, ambitious, entrepreneurial, a hustler, a businessman. I worked hard and worked hard and while I was successful, I did not have control of my life.

At the highest moment of my working life, I was a 22 year old making $50-75/hr for doing IT work. I had a brand new Lexus that I financed using my income and a house that I bought and lived in with my frat brothers. And I ran an IT company. Everyone looked at me like a success and while I did feel successful and proud of my achievements, I was totally exhausted. Being successful is freaken exhausting.

It was then that I decided to let go of the house, let go of the IT company, and search for a new way to make money that would give me more freedom and hours of my life. I never wanted to sell my time (my life) for money again.


*** NOW ***

I love my life. I can afford to pay rent in an expensive part of the city. I can afford to eat out every meal of the day. I can afford to get valet parking. Buy new clothes and shoes every month. I can afford to travel to anywhere in the world. I've been in 8 different countries the past 3 months doing all sorts of exploring and adventuring through 20 different cities.

I sometimes make more money in my sleep than some of my friends do in their waking hours. I still can't believe it but I think I'm retired now and possibly forever...and I'm not even 30 years old yet.



What does it feel to be in my position?
  • I get to wake up whatever time I want everyday.
  • Everyday feels like Saturday to me. (I seriously lose track of the day of the week.)
  • I have no idea how much money I make because I don't have to check my bank account before buying stuff. (I'm not wasteful, though.)
  • I can afford to buy whatever I want without having to worry about saving up to make up for the loss of funds.
  • I don't have a scarcity mindset that money is going to run out, because I always have more coming in.
  • I can afford to make decisions that cost me money rather than time.
  • I can always order more at restaurants without having to worry about saving $3 from a drink, etc.
The list goes on and on. I think many people would say that the way I'm living is not realistic. That it's not sustainable. Or that it's not possible. But the truth is, I created that reality for myself. I was inspired, and then I worked hard, and finally achieved it.

And I keep getting better at it everyday. I'm going to make even more money in the future and get even better at this passive income thing. Simply because of my desire and dedication to do it.

I think some people have this idea that I'm some ultra determined guy doing the entrepreneurial equivalent of 5,000 push-ups a day and reading a million books and living by all sorts of success mantras. But neither of this is true or even necessary.

I simply believed in the dream and took my time. And then it happened. It's possible. You don't have to kill yourself to make it happen. Just go at your own pace, explore, learn, have fun, and enjoy the money when it comes.

The greatest benefit of all? I have the freedom to do whatever I want, anytime I want, with whomever I want. There is nobody or nothing that can tell me what to do. I do WHATEVER I WANT. I am finally the GOD of my own damn life. If that's not empowering...I don't know what is.

Hang in there, guys, success is coming and you just gotta work hard until it gets here.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Hmm... well, congrats but I don't really believe you found some mythical online passive income that would allow you to retire.
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    • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
      I'll have to take your words as an even higher compliment. Thanks, Thomas.


      If there's any chance I can downgrade my bragging...I should clarify that I meant "retire" as in "not having to work anymore" and not as in that I have enough money to pay for all my expenses for the rest of my life.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

        I'll have to take your words as an even higher compliment. Thanks, Thomas.


        If there's any chance I can downgrade my bragging...I should clarify that I meant "retire" as in "not having to work anymore" and not as in that I have enough money to pay for all my expenses for the rest of my life.
        No problem on the bragging front. I like seeing success stories.

        I just don't believe you found passive income unless you put a ton of money into bonds/stocks. Even stocks need to be monitored.

        We had a guy on here who would brag about passive income and not having to work again. That went on for quite a few years even when some of us told him to be careful.

        Things changed and he lost everything and is now starting over.

        Businesses will die if they are not worked on. One way or another.
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        • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          I just don't believe you found passive income unless you put a ton of money into bonds/stocks. Even stocks need to be monitored.
          I think it's absolutely sad that you believe this. The internet is perhaps the easiest tool for creating passive income. It has so much leverage, offers so much value, reaches so many people, while costing very little.

          It's one thing if you speak from experience. But it's another thing if you wish to overshadow the experience of others who had more success that you did and perhaps should be more freely allowed to speak on the subject. Whether or not you believe me, I don't care for...but I speak for everyone else trying to find passive income on the internet. It would be a shame for them to believe you (and your experiences of failure) when here I am doing and succeeding with that very thing.

          In case you forgot...my post was made to share my success and serve as a beacon of hope to all others who are making the same journey I did. And right now you're kinda raining on the parade simply because you didn't experience it for yourself. Not cool, man.



          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          Businesses will die if they are not worked on. One way or another.
          That's definitely true. You can't just sit in one position forever. You have to refine and continuously evolve with the times if you want to maintain your success. The only other option I can think of right now is well...if you hire employees and have a smart system in place to do the heavy thinking for you.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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            Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

            That's definitely true. You can't just sit in one position forever. You have to refine and continuously evolve with the times if you want to maintain your success. The only other option I can think of right now is well...if you hire employees and have a smart system in place to do the heavy thinking for you.
            You need to look up the definition of passive income. Good luck on the retirement.
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        Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

        I'll have to take your words as an even higher compliment. Thanks, Thomas.


        If there's any chance I can downgrade my bragging...I should clarify that I meant "retire" as in "not having to work anymore" and not as in that I have enough money to pay for all my expenses for the rest of my life.


        Hi,

        Trust me you're not bragging!

        Stories like these are the FUEL of drives others towards success too!

        You mentioned the words "HARD work" after all!

        You put in some considerable hours, days, weeks into this so it isn't
        as though you've stumbled into success or anything.

        Now share your story, create a product that shares your experiences
        with others.

        I'm sure others would be more than happy to pay you for that
        information.

        Well Done!

        Keep going.

        Best Regards,
        Gavin
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          First of all, congratulations! You are an inspiration - I believe you because I provide technical and customer support for online vendors' clientele which allows the vendor to make "passive income" while I take care of the everyday stuff to make sure the income continues to be passive for him or her.

          Don't worry about negative people - they don't believe in passive income because they don't see themselves as big or successful enough to ever achieve it. They see things as either black or white - there is no grey to them -

          I often find that people have preconceived notions about stuff - they make assumptions based on their own narrow views. Well you know what they say about people who assume. eh?

          Anyway, I for one, am grateful that there are still optimistic types who have the strength, work ethic, and courage to forge ahead, despite setbacks, negativity, and little money and who have found success.

          Here's to your continued success!
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  • Profile picture of the author Anne Laidlaw
    Hey WTG glad there is some sunshine in here today. I am not quite to that point yet but will be soon. You just have to keep focused and work had and it will come.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenjacobs
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    A list is the closet thing you can do for passive income and even over time it gets less
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    So when is the WSO launching?
    Kidding.....


    There is no such thing as truly passive income, you stop working on something and it fizzles,
    simple as that....

    I also like to hear about people doing well but i must say your story reads like many a sales page
    iv'e seen before, you ramble on about how well off you are without giving us a clue as to what you
    actually did....

    Anyway my dodgy sense is tingling, enjoy it while it lasts....
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    • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      So when is the WSO launching?
      Kidding.....


      There is no such thing as truly passive income, you stop working on something and it fizzles,
      simple as that....

      I also like to hear about people doing well but i must say your story reads like many a sales page
      iv'e seen before, you ramble on about how well off you are without giving us a clue as to what you
      actually did....

      Anyway my dodgy sense is tingling, enjoy it while it lasts....



      LOL, YOU GUYS ARE DISTRACTING FROM THE POINT!

      Haha. I'm not selling anything. And no way in hell am I going to waste my time entering a totally saturated market full of skeptical impulse buyers. I already have a successful business where I have much less competition.

      As for sharing my secrets or methods of success? Or you kidding me? That would be like 50 pages long just to summarize. I had to learn many things to get to where I am today.

      But my point isn't about establishing my credibility but to inspire people to just keep working and push for it.
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    This is the bit I don't get?
    Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

    ...Buy new clothes and shoes every month
    Obviously a youngster. My wife buys my clothes, I'm not allowed to, and shoes tend to last a couple of years

    You can call a lot of online businesses passive income, we make a 1/4 of our revenue out of hours. But take your finger off the pulse and it will soon disappear.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    BlackLiOn,

    You and I talked about a year ago and you struck me as very focused and hard working, so I'm not surprised to see you here wanting to share your success.

    I find your enthusiasm catching.

    However, I think what would be helpful to other members is to share on how you got there. Sure, it would take like 50 pages plus to get all the detailed stuff, but I'm not talking about that and anyone with any sense shouldn't expect that; what I'm referring to is more like a summary. I made one about 4 years ago here and it helped out a lot people.

    As for passive income, it's very possible. I've been doing it for years and know plenty of people who do it in many different industries. The only reason why I work nowadays it's because I choose to, not because I have to and having that kind of freedom is truly priceless. Just because some have not achieved it yet, doesn't mean it's not possible.

    Props to you.

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      I made one about 4 years ago here and it helped out a lot people.
      Great example! I remember it, but...4 years ago? Really?
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        Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

        Great example! I remember it, but...4 years ago? Really?
        I was off by a year Michael, it was 3 years ago.

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    • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      BlackLiOn,

      As for passive income, it's very possible. I've been doing it for years and know plenty of people who do it in many different industries. The only reason why I work nowadays it's because I choose to, not because I have to and having that kind of freedom is truly priceless. Just because some have not achieved it yet, doesn't mean it's not possible.
      Rod, are you trying to say you don't monitor or do any type of work on these cash flows, traffic, customer support, etc..?

      As far as I'm concerned, very little cash flow is considered passive. Things like royalties, licensing, bonds and possibly stocks are what I consider passive.

      Some people consider rentals as passive income in which I disagree unless you hire everything out to a management group and trust that group is on top of things.

      Now, if you're telling me you got managers or partners taking care of things, then I can get behind you on the passive stuff.

      I have yet to see any type of business outside of those areas that are truly passive without fear of things going south if not monitored. That is one of the beauties about working online. You can automate a great deal to free up a big chunk of your time.

      I do consider monitoring active participation.

      If we were talking working little hours, then I could agree with you but the OP is ready to retire and buy shoes every month.

      I find all of this talk about passive income really screws up the new person. Instead of building up a profitable business, they are more worried about sitting around with their thumbs up their noses collecting checks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        Rod, are you trying to say you don't monitor or do any type of work on these cash flows, traffic, customer support, etc..?
        I have a portfolio of businesses that are monitored by a team of professionals. I meet with them once a quarter. So yes, there is some monitoring involved there, but it's extremely minimal.

        As far as I'm concerned, very little cash flow is considered passive. Things like royalties, licensing, bonds and possibly stocks are what I consider passive.
        Yes, those can be passive income streams, agree with you there.

        But business structure and operations ares also very important if you want to be a hands off business owner; of course this requires hiring a team of people that you trust. Robert Kiyosaki refers to this in his books when he makes the distinction between someone who is self-employed versus someone who is a business owner.

        Some people consider rentals as passive income in which I disagree unless you hire everything out to a management group and trust that group is on top of things.
        Agree with you there.

        Now, if you're telling me you got managers or partners taking care of things, then I can get behind you on the passive stuff.
        Yes, that is how I structure most of my businesses once they've achieved a certain level of growth. It's something I learned from my smart, wealthy clients when I used to have my financial planning practice way back in the day.

        I am very big on structuring a business in such a way that if something bad were to happen to me it would either continue operations without me OR it would be liquidated and the assets sold off in accordance to my wishes.

        I have yet to see any type of business outside of those areas that are truly passive without fear of things going south if not monitored. That is one of the beauties about working online. You can automate a great deal to free up a big chunk of your time.
        Agreed.

        I do consider monitoring active participation.
        It is, but there are different levels of monitoring.

        If we were talking working little hours, then I could agree with you but the OP is ready to retire and buy shoes every month.

        I find all of this talk about passive income really screws up the new person. Instead of building up a profitable business, they are more worried about sitting around with their thumbs up their noses collecting checks.
        Yes, it can. I probably should have added that I worked my ass off to get to where I'm at today. It definitely wasn't any kind of overnight success and I had a lot of failures to get to that point. And I usually try to drive that point home when I post. I don't want newbies thinking this is super easy and that there are magic bullets.

        Since I've talked to the OP on more than one occasion, I know him to be a very energetic and enthusiastic person and in a forum setting, especially with this tough audience, it can come off the wrong way.

        If there's any wisdom I could impart to a newcomer is that starting ANY business takes a lot of hard work, especially in the beginning, focus, drive, networking, learning, etc. and that there are many different business models to choose from.

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        • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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          Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

          I have a portfolio of businesses that are monitored by a team of professionals. I meet with them once a quarter. So yes, there is some monitoring involved there, but it's extremely minimal.


          RoD
          See you agree, you're a stock holder now.

          Thanks for the details. I wish more people talked about generating passive income in those terms. Unfortunately, this industry sells the passive dream without talking about long term sustainability.
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelChief
    Thank you for this post, OP. I'm still struggling at the bottom in my infopreneurship efforts and reading this gave me more hope and confidence.

    What would you say are the top 3 or so lessons you've learned on your journey?
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    • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
      Originally Posted by MichaelChief View Post

      Thank you for this post, OP. I'm still struggling at the bottom in my infopreneurship efforts and reading this gave me more hope and confidence.

      What would you say are the top 3 or so lessons you've learned on your journey?
      I've probably learned 300 golden lessons over the years. But in any case...here's a random 3 for you that aren't as common:


      1) Try the stupidest stuff

      I wish I could have said this more eloquently but I feel the language really gets the point across. Many people will tell you to try this and try that. To do this complicated thing and to do this other annoying thing. For me, the most successful ideas always turned out to be the most whacky and random. There have been dozens of times when my brother or friend looking at my online site made suggestions that I thought were dumb or unnecessary but my brother insisted, "Just try it and see. Then revert if you don't like it." And it always turned out that the craziest things we tried made the biggest difference. I'm not talking about split-testing, I'm talking about just new product ideas or features or things that we added to the site or the brand. Or how we marketed things differently. Every time we did something dumb or sounded really stupid, it succeeded far beyond our best ideas. I now make it a point to implement all dumb/weird/crazy ideas.

      It's a good idea to follow the formula and do what all the normal people are doing. But then you should also come up with really silly WHAT IF ideas and implement them. I swear if you do this, you will be shocked by the results.



      2) Learn how to REALLY outsource

      I think this is a theory that everyone has heard of and thinks they know how it works but they really don't. For most people "outsourcing" means going on odesk.com and hiring somebody to do a project for you. I have a similar approach...but on steroids.

      For example to find my designer, I posted a project on 99designs and overlooked about 300 designers. The top 5, I gave projects to over the years. And over time, I ended up picking the best one. That was 4 years ago and I still use him today. He is crazy good. World class level designer and charges me an extremely reasonable price.

      How did I find him? By going through tons of people. One reward for finding a really good worker is that you can always get really good referrals from him. I found my programmer after going through about 100 of them. And from him, I found my server admin guy, as well as numerous other trustworthy and highly skilled workers.

      After you've gone through so many people, you really develop a knack for knowing how to tell who is legit, who is going to get the job done, and who is being honest with you. By being able to tell all this from just reading an email...you will save yourself thousands of dollars, months of time and stress. The reward is you will always have people who you can turn to, to get the job done. And the secondary bonus...you can ALWAYS ask them for free advice. There's a good chance they've worked on numerous other big successful projects and you can mirror these other companies or copy their process. And the best guys, you hire them as remote employees and let them run your stuff and hire others for you. I would say an outsource employee who can do the outsourcing for you is worth his weight in gold!

      Heck I would apply this approach to everything in your business. Try everything a hundred different ways and you'll end up with a highly refined successful formula. Seriously...a hundred, not 5, not 10, not 20, ONE HUNDRED! (And if you don't care to try it a hundred times, then I guess you don't really care to be successful at all costs.)



      3) How to get started quickly in business:

      I would suggest these two options:

      a) build a business around something you're passionate about
      b) work under somebody with a successful business

      What I wouldn't recommend is trying to build a business just for the money and you don't really care about the industry or your customer demographic. If you don't really carry a passion for the same things that your customers do, it's going to be tough to convert sales and sustain success over the longterm. There's just too much ambiguity that you don't know about and you won't be able to compete very well against the guys who are legitimately passionate in that field.

      If there's nothing you're passionate about, you will probably learn more and even make more money by working for somebody who DOES have a successful business and IS passionate about it. Hopefully, his/her enthusiasm for the subject will pass over to you and even if not, then you will have at least learned the working formula and you can quit that job and go duplicate the formula on your own.

      I would say most people lost in MMO are because they're not doing one of the 2 options above. Because it's easy to fail if you don't know what you're doing and/or don't have a passion and love for your field to carry you through the tough moments. I remember when I was building my business, I was just excited to build something for my field...I didn't care about the money at all. It was very much to my luck that I was able to find something I truly loved.




      Last word of advice?
      - It's ok to be lost. I was lost the whole damn time I was building my business. I never really knew what I was doing. I only knew what I wanted to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Entrecon
    This sounds more like a house of cards than anything else. The lifestyle you are talking about also sounds like the kind that star athletes or other celebrities live until years down the road when they are filing bankruptcy wondering where all of their money went.

    If you define "passive income" as a steady stream of money coming in requiring no effort or monitoring on your part, then I am sure you will have a rude awakening one day.

    You have not given any hint as to your method of income, but as mentioned by others, things change. If you don't move an adapt with them your business will die. Blockbuster had a great business running on autopilot renting movies and Blackberry thought they had a lock on the business cellphone market. Both failed to adapt and now are gone or struggling to survive.

    I wish you luck, but don't get tied up in enjoying your success and forget to adapt.
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    Congratulations buddy
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    sounded like those MMO sales pages
    just kidding.

    congratz
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  • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
    You know...I find it all sad and amusing at the same time. (in reference to the critical comments)

    I was doing all this making money online stuff long before I even knew what it was. I was using many of the same concepts that are being taught and sold now, except only I was figuring it all out on my own. And I was doing it years ago. Just that it wasn't perfected until a few years ago thanks to some extremely helpful and inspirational mentors (RoD being one of them).

    I always thought I was alone in the world of MMO until I discovered the WarriorForum a few years ago. And I was so excited to see thousands of other people around the world just like myself, all with the same goal. A whole community forged together in the quest to be financially successful and WITHOUT having to work. A goal to reach financial freedom and efficiency in the best way possible.

    And here I am attaining what may be a small success to some of you but a great success to me. And wishing to share my success and use myself as inspiration to others (the same way others have done for me in the past) and hearing people say...."oh, it can't be done"...."it's not possible"..."you're a liar"..."you're just here to sell your own WSO".

    Guys, I thought we were all here for the same purpose with the same goal in mind? I mean if you don't even believe making passive income is possible, what are you doing here on this forum? And why are you shooting down the people who are making it a reality? Maybe it's jealousy...but I'm going to think some of you are already successful and maybe you're just jaded by past salesmen who made ridiculous claims and tricked you out of your money. It would be especially ironic if some of you critics actually turned out to be MMO salesmen yourselves.

    Well...I'm here to tell you that I don't have any WSO and I'm not a MMO coach although I could probably be a very helpful one. I only wish to share information and inspiration. I do not want to share my name, I do not want to share my business, or reveal my true identity in any way. I am not here to make any money off of WF people. I'm here to learn and share and help others who are just like me.


    RoD, I will never forget the conversation we had. And the amount of experience you shared and the ease in which you did it. I owe you a lifetime of lunches, man. I'll be in your side of the country in a week if you're up for it. Send me a txt if you still have my number. Thanks for everything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

      You know...I find it all sad and amusing at the same time. (in reference to the critical comments)
      I noticed you didn't say you found it surprising, but the comment below makes me wonder...

      And here I am attaining what may be a small success to some of you but a great success to me. And wishing to share my success and use myself as inspiration to others (the same others have done for me in the past) and hearing people say...."oh, it can't be done"...."it's not possible"..."you're a liar"..."you're just here to sell your own WSO".
      There's suspicion because this forum has seen a good many fakers, liars, and scammers pass through. Enough so that a measure of skepticism is understandable, and likely prudent.

      You probably were too honest not to have a few incoming bombs lobbed your way. Starting off by saying you want to brag isn't exactly going to endear you to everyone. And then you gave no substantiation to your claims, not that it's required, but that could have reduced the skepticism for some. Not offering any probably increased it for some. It's very understandable.

      Guys, I thought we were all here for the same purpose with the same goal in mind? I mean if you don't even believe making passive income is possible, what are you doing here on this forum?
      Not everyone shares the same goal. Some just want a second income. Some just want something to do. Some haven't figured out what they want.

      And why are you shooting down the people who are making it a reality? Maybe it's jealousy...but I'm going to think some of you are already successful and maybe you're just jaded by past salesmen who made ridiculous claims and tricked you out of your money.
      Your first sentence assumed everyone believes you, or should.

      Maybe some folks are jaded, but you can't just lump everyone into one convenient description. I can think of several possible reasons why others would chime in with a less than an enthusiastic response to your post.
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      • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
        Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

        You probably were too honest not to have a few incoming bombs lobbed your way. Starting off by saying you want to brag isn't exactly going to endear you to everyone. And then you gave no substantiation to your claims, not that it's required, but that could have reduced the skepticism for some. Not offering any probably increased it for some.
        Thanks for breaking it down, Dennis. Looking back, I probably may have jumped the gun being too eager to share my happiness with those who are not in a similar situation and maybe even discouraged at their own position. I was just so happy and being so thankful for everything that's happened and figured why not share something.

        I could have worded things differently but I think it's perhaps better this way. I'm not here to convince naysayers, I'm here to inspire those with a similar vision. And judging from the amount of PM's I got from this post...I think it's worked.

        I'll be more careful in the future. I'm still not hip with the WF mindset just yet, it seems.
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          Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

          I'll be more careful in the future. I'm still not hip with the WF mindset just yet, it seems.
          I don't know that it's a "WF mindset" so much as it's simply human nature. When someone walks into a room full of strangers and starts "bragging" it's a pretty natural to run into an assortment of responses. That's basically what happened here.

          I know you've had some success because I know Rod well enough to know he wouldn't say you had if you hadn't. I take you at your word that you wanted to serve up some inspiration. I also take you at your word that you wanted to brag.
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          • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            I also take you at your word that you wanted to brag.
            You're totally right about me looking like a clown entering a room full of strangers and bragging.

            Hahaha! You know...I was a former athlete in many sports. And the sacrifices we made we so crazy. When I won a trophy, whether it was 1st, 2nd, or 3rd.....I jumped up and showed it to the world. Tears of joy kinda moment you know?

            When you worked that hard, you can't help but just be damn proud and smile at the world. I did this, and I did this, and I achieved this...and YES! And when my teammates won, I hugged and cried with them, too. Just because I'm proud of myself and want to show the success of my hard work to the world shouldn't make me seem like a less humble person. But ah well....it felt good nonetheless.



            Maybe for my next post, I ought to write about my impossibly long and torturous journey to get here. I'm pretty sure nobody would be arguing about my authenticity then. I sure did go through a lot.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

              You're totally right about me looking like a clown entering a room full of strangers and bragging.
              Um . . . not to nitpick, but in case someone doesn't read the whole thread, I didn't call you a clown. That's not my style. I just wanted to use an analogy that would be easily understood by all levels of readers here.
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      Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

      Guys, I thought we were all here for the same purpose with the same goal in mind? I mean if you don't even believe making passive income is possible, what are you doing here on this forum? And why are you shooting down the people who are making it a reality? Maybe it's jealousy...but I'm going to think some of you are already successful and maybe you're just jaded by past salesmen who made ridiculous claims and tricked you out of your money. It would be especially ironic if some of you critics actually turned out to be MMO salesmen yourselves.
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      No, not everyone has the same goals as you or I for that matter. While there are plenty selling the internet lifestyle, it isn't what a lot of us older crew are after.

      For instance, I enjoy what I do. I have no reason to want to retire.

      We are more about being real with people here. Passive income is a selling technique overly abused on this forum as well as many other internet marketing courses.

      I already posted what I believe was long term passive income and if you fit within that criteria, then you are golden. If not, I don't agree.

      Stop with the jealousy malarkey. No one is jealous of some unknown dude claiming big things on a forum. Most of us, including me, already congratulated you. Relax a little and go buy some shoes or something.
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      • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

        No, not everyone has the same goals as you or I for that matter. While there are plenty selling the internet lifestyle, it isn't what a lot of us older crew are after.

        For instance, I enjoy what I do. I have no reason to want to retire.

        We are more about being real with people here. Passive income is a selling technique overly abused on this forum as well as many other internet marketing courses.

        I already posted what I believe was long term passive income and if you fit within that criteria, then you are golden. If not, I don't agree.

        Stop with the jealousy malarkey. No one is jealous of some unknown dude claiming big things on a forum. Most of us, including me, already congratulated you. Relax a little and go buy some shoes or something.
        Ok, Thomas...just so I understand you correctly. You're angry because you think I'm a big bragging, full-of-shit liar, misleading people, and incorrectly defining the term "passive income", is there anything I missed? Am I offending your intelligence in any other way?

        If so, I'm sorry, ok? I do not mean to offend anyone and I appreciate your brutally honest comments nonetheless.
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          Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

          Ok, Thomas...just so I understand you correctly. You're angry because you think I'm a big bragging, full-of-shit liar, misleading people, and incorrectly defining the term "passive income", is there anything I missed? Am I offending your intelligence in any other way?

          If so, I'm sorry, ok? I do not mean to offend anyone and I appreciate your brutally honest comments nonetheless.
          haha First we are jealous and in awe of your success... and now I'm angry?

          Dude, is this whole post about stroking your ego or something?

          Go back through my posts. I simply said I didn't believe the passive income stuff and explained, in detail, why. I congratulated you on your success.

          There was nothing more to it besides that. You seem to be trying to make some stuff up to feel better about yourself.

          Strange.
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          • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
            Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

            haha First we are jealous and in awe of your success... and now I'm angry?

            Dude, is this whole post about stroking your ego or something?

            Go back through my posts. I simply said I didn't believe the passive income stuff and explained, in detail, why. I congratulated you on your success.

            There was nothing more to it besides that. You seem to be trying to make some stuff up to feel better about yourself. Strange.
            Can we restart? Since you're so bothered by my use of the words "passive income"...can I ask you to suggest a different term?

            I'm basically a guy who makes money doing very VERY little. Maybe you could argue that it's not truly "passive" because I still have to do something...but I can assure you it sure as hell isn't "active income", that's for sure.

            If there is another term or way that you would define my situation, I'd be curious to know. I think that's a better use of our time to discuss how you would like me to express things differently rather than for you to jump in and break down my inspirational post based on dictum. When I first wrote my initial post, the term "passive income" came to mind because that's what everybody used on WarriorForum.


            And I have to say, your congratulatory messages felt totally empty and if anything, served more as a segue into your critique about how you didn't believe I was telling the truth. If you were meaning to be totally positive and congratulatory, I can tell you right now the sentiment was lost on me.
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            • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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              Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

              Can we restart? Since you're so bothered by my use of the words "passive income"...can I ask you to suggest a different term?

              I'm basically a guy who makes money doing very VERY little. Maybe you could argue that it's not truly "passive" because I still have to do something...but I can assure you it sure as hell isn't "active income", that's for sure
              I didn't think you were lying. Many people think working a couple hours a day is considered passive. It isn't. You are leveraging your time, though, and that is pretty damn good. I wish more people would do the same.

              Rod and I talked about passive income and it should be pretty clear what I think about it.

              It is overused on this forum. That is one of the reasons I typically respond to passive income claims. Unfortunately, this is a hot selling point for courses. You should also note, I didn't claim you were selling anything so no need to get upset.

              If there is another term or way that you would define my situation, I'd be curious to know. I think that's a better use of our time to discuss how you would like me to express things differently rather than for you to jump in and break down my inspirational post based on dictum. When I first wrote my initial post, the term "passive income" came to mind because that's what everybody used on WarriorForum.
              Just borrow from Tim Ferris and start bragging about a 4 hour work week. Whatever floats your boat man.

              And I have to say, your congratulatory messages felt totally empty and if anything, served more as a segue into your critique about how you didn't believe I was telling the truth. If you were meaning to be totally positive and congratulatory, I can tell you right now the sentiment lost on me.
              That is up to you how you want to accept something written on the forum. I'm not here to stroke your ego dude.
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              • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
                Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                It is overused on this forum. That is one of the reasons I typically respond to passive income claims. Unfortunately, this is a hot selling point for courses. You should also note, I didn't claim you were selling anything so no need to get upset.
                Boy, that was a lot of effort. But I finally got it, Thomas! You don't like my use of the word passive income.
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                  Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

                  Boy, that was a lot of effort. But I finally got it, Thomas! You don't like my use of the word passive income.
                  Unless you have a setup like Rod's, I believe the whole idea to be somewhat dangerous. The reason was laid out previously when I talked about that one gentleman that lost everything.

                  We are blessed with being able to automate many things online. And we can coast for some time while money keeps coming in. That won't last unless someone is actively working on your business.

                  There are a lot of people who come here and believe they can set up something and just sit back and never have to worry again.
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                  • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
                    Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                    Unless you have a setup like Rod's, I believe the whole idea to be somewhat dangerous. The reason was laid out previously when I talked about that one gentleman that lost everything.

                    We are blessed with being able to automate many things online. And we can coast for some time while money keeps coming in. That won't last unless you set something up like Rod or work on your business yourself.

                    There are a lot of people who come here and believe they can set up something and just sit back and never have to worry again.

                    Do you have a problem with the definition or the idea of it? Here you are going around policing the use of the term, and now it seems like you don't even like the idea of passive income in the first place. I think you're more confusing than the term itself.

                    And you don't belong in this thread. The income I'm making is very passive and regardless of whether or not it lasts forever, it certainly is PASSIVE now and would fit appropriately under the category of "passive income". And if you cannot suggest another way to word it, then don't be so angry at others using this catchy popular term...on a forum that possible coined it. Sheeesh!
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                      Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

                      Do you have a problem with the definition or the idea of it? Here you are going around policing the use of the term, and now it seems like you don't even like the idea of passive income in the first place. I think you're more confusing than the term itself.

                      And you don't belong in this thread. The income I'm making is very passive and regardless of whether or not it lasts forever, it certainly is PASSIVE now and would fit appropriately under the category of "passive income". And if you cannot suggest another way to word it, then don't be so angry at others using this catchy popular term...on a forum that possible coined it. Sheeesh!
                      Maybe you are not aware, but this is a discussion forum. We discuss stuff.

                      This isn't a forum to stroke your ego and have people post exactly what you want, when you want.
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                        Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                        Maybe you are not aware, but this is a discussion forum. We discuss stuff.

                        This isn't a forum to stroke your ego and have people post exactly what you want, when you want.
                        it's also not a forum that tolerates bullies - lay off the kid, Thomas!

                        Sorry, OP, I know you're not a kid - but I'm 60 - so everyone under 30 is like a kid to me and my mama bear protective nature takes over when I see someone unjustly attacking someone else just for their choice of words and completely derailing an otherwise happy thread.

                        Again, congrats on your success and keep on keeping on!

                        Peace out...

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    Thanks for the positive post. Great way to start the day!

    Also, I have to say I really believe you. I see a lot of people on here claiming they have "made it" and then trying to sell something. You are honest, well written, and you are motivating! Also, thanks for being honest and not trying to sell to us. Its a breath of fresh air
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      Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

      I envy you.
      Trust me, and trust the rest who've figured it out. It's totally possible. Figure out what kind of business you want to do, streamline it, and let it loose. Use your intelligence, creativity, and imagination. There is so much new shit that continues to be invented everyday...things, thoughts, ideas, realities. It's VERY possible, man. And there are so many ways to get there.
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    Congratulations on your success! There are some great advice there a lot of people should take in.
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  • According to wikipedia:

    Passive income is an income received on a regular basis, with little effort required to maintain it. It is closely related to the concept of "unearned income".

    Let everyone have their own say

    On a light note, congrats on your found success buddy and thanks everyone for your opinions. Great Thread!
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    Great story! Keep me plugging away! Thanks for the uplift!
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