What's best for Wordpress Automated Content?...

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I have been seeing a lot of buzz out there about automatic content adding software and plugins out there for wordpress blogs.

One recently is Word Press Direct - I think from the guys that just launched the CPA Ninja training. I currently use the yahoo answers plugin - and it is driving traffic to the site, but not sure if it's working for conversions overall - or is it going to make google think my blogs are spammy?

I've also heard alot about caffeinated content - any thoughts there?

What are other marketers thoughts on using these types of systems for wordpress - do they really work well, or do they get your blogs delisted or penalized?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
    th eyaab stuff is really good fun. Just make sure you go the extra mile to make it unique. Posting up dupes and mashups doesn't really do much anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkJ
      Originally Posted by Uncle Dimitry View Post

      Blog automated with Blogomator automated blog posting - not a plugin. Complete automation system
      Thanks for the tip about Blogomator, Dimitry. The system looks very promising.
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      • Profile picture of the author AudibleMarketing
        I've been using Article Marketing Automation recently and found it useful (can't post link because not enough posts to my name - but Google it)

        Lisa
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      • Profile picture of the author xiaophil
        I've been looking into this recently as a possible business model.

        Yes, there's plenty of buzz but I am concerned that many of the methods being taught are not sustainable and some are greyfart at best.

        There are at least 5 different ways of generating automated content:

        1) Genuine syndication - republishing RSS/Atom feeds intact and unaltered with attribution.

        This is the easiest and fastest way, provided the publisher allows such use, with many plugins supporting direct republishing of RSS feeds.

        Although RSS has a copyright tag in the spec I don't know how widely this is used yet - many publishers put a notice near the feed icon or elsewhere on the site, which seems a bit strange as it's quite possible to acquire feeds without ever visiting the site in question. This may be why some opt to put a notice directly into the feed itself.

        Using any feed or data source without respecting the copyright and TOS is just asking for it - the global interweb never forgets and sometime down the road that five minute plugin may jump up and bite you on the ass.


        2) Annotated syndication - publishing the entire original feed with your own comments and links added to the original feed.

        Not the most popular model as it is only semi-automated and requires manual intervention (i.e. work - gasp!).

        It does however provide unique hand-crafted content, adds value to the post (depending on the quality of the annotations) and still provides opportunity for backlinks while properly attributing the original author.


        3) Partial munge - republishing a feed and replacing keywords with other keywords and your own links and probably maintaining attribution.

        This appears to be a very popular means of automating a blog with lots of plugins obviously designed to do exactly this.

        Many authors appear miffed that their content has been somewhat repurposed, and who can blame them?

        As these methods become more popular one can picture a chain of feeds with each node stripping out links from the previous one and adding it's own along with a splash of ads, resulting in something resembling a dog's breakfast.

        I have already seen signs of this in blogs with malformed links and html tags rendered as plain text. A taste of things to come?

        This is a popular method because it is easy and it works, and there's little authors can currently do to stop it.

        It's still the Wild West.


        4) Complete rip - republishing a feed with attribution stripped and keywords or sentences munged, spun or otherwise substituted and calling it your own.

        Pretty much speaks for itself.


        5) Content creation - from various raw data sources by selecting, transforming and packaging data into human-readable posts, along with your own links and attribution.

        This appears to be the least popular as it requires technical knowledge and considerable work up-front.

        In my opinion it is the only sustainable model of the lot - enabling fully automatic unique (and useful) content generation, without stepping on anyone's toes.

        What's more this method could create a site which becomes the authoritative source for its specific content which is unavailable elsewhere (in user friendly form anyway).

        And that IMO sounds like a sustainable long term business model.

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        I know which one I'll be implementing.

        How about you?
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  • Profile picture of the author SpamHat
    There are a bunch of plugins.
    Caffinated content can be good, but the use of the Yahoo API (to get the Q&As) is limited and sometimes the plugin will fail.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
    number 5.

    and very profitable it is, too.
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    • Profile picture of the author xiaophil
      Originally Posted by Jon Alexander View Post

      number 5.
      Hi Jon,

      Are you talking about ContentBoss?

      If so, can you provide more detail about how it generates text from raw data? I thought it was some kind of text-to-text transformer (like a spinner).

      What I really meant by content generation is creating readable text where none existed before - like from numeric data.

      For example written weather forecasts generated from atmospheric data or travel directions from point A to B.

      Most systems I have read about are experimental and the topic of ongoing research but there are definitely people getting into this and even selling the feeds.


      Originally Posted by Jon Alexander View Post

      and very profitable it is, too.
      ContentBoss has an interesting guarantee that may increase profits but hardly inspires confidence:

      Under no circumstances will CONTENTBOSS.com issue a refund for any goods or services we provide


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      • Profile picture of the author melanied
        I don't know much about Content Boss, so this comment is not about them personally - but that is HILARIOUS!

        Originally Posted by xiaophil View Post


        ContentBoss has an interesting guarantee that may increase profits but hardly inspires confidence:

        Under no circumstances will CONTENTBOSS.com issue a refund for any goods or services we provide

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        • Profile picture of the author The Expert
          I use Autoblogged to pump in RSS feeds.

          Don't do it much though. Mostly I'll run a Twitter search on my keyword and then grab the RSS from that. From there I can pump it into my wordpress blog with Autoblogged and create a category of "What People Are Saying" or "MyKeyword Buzz".
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  • Profile picture of the author Randy Bheites
    Hrmm.

    Last I saw, Caffinated Content and Autoblogged are crapping out because ArticlesBase.com (where they grab their article content from) has re-engineered themesleves to prevent automated scrapers.

    Yahoo Answers still works, but the content is pretty lame.
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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    I use a variety of plugins for my autoblogs, from some original content, to Caffeinated content, to reviewazon, etc. CC has worked well for me, but if you are going to autoblog, mix up the content to make it look more like a natural blog..video, articles, reviews, etc. And don't be afraid to actually make a real post every once in awhile.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinBrown
    I do a lot of WordPress (and static sites, also).

    Increasingly I'm of the view that Google is now so clever, you need to do it properly. That means publishing worthwhile, original, on-topic content, aimed at the visitor experience.

    Might involve some work.

    Kevin
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    MyArticleNetwork is a good tool to get content to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author charlesburke
    I don't know much about Content Boss, so this comment is not about them personally - but that is HILARIOUS!

    ContentBoss has an interesting guarantee that may increase profits but hardly inspires confidence:

    . . . . . . Under no circumstances will CONTENTBOSS.com
    . . . . . . issue a refund for any goods or services we provide
    I'm not connected with Content Boss either, and I found it laughable too - but also a bit unreasonable - so I went to check it out myself. Turns out they're supplying a (presumably) extra-high-grade article spinning service for a fairly affordable monthly membership fee.

    So how about the other membership sites - say, for templates or PLR - that you've joined? Do they offer refunds for products or services rendered? In most cases they do not, so as it turns out, this non-refund policy may not be so unusual (or funny) after all.

    I enjoy a good laugh, as we all do, but I was embarrassed to admit, this one may not have been entirely fair to Jon. Just my two cents...

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    • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
      Originally Posted by charlesburke View Post

      I'm not connected with Content Boss either, and I found it laughable too - but also a bit unreasonable - so I went to check it out myself. Turns out they're supplying a (presumably) extra-high-grade article spinning service for a fairly affordable monthly membership fee.

      So how about the other membership sites - say, for templates or PLR - that you've joined? Do they offer refunds for products or services rendered? In most cases they do not, so as it turns out, this non-refund policy may not be so unusual (or funny) after all.

      I enjoy a good laugh, as we all do, but I was embarrassed to admit, this one may not have been entirely fair to Jon. Just my two cents...

      Cheers from warm and smiling Thailand,
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      don't apologise to me - anyone who has been in this game knows that T&Cs are there to protect 'worst cases'. The reason most electronic products have a 'no quibble 60 day guarantee' is because they are sold on clickbank, who enforce it unilaterally. oh, and most of those products are crap (rich jerk, anyone?) so refunding is actually cheaper than dealing with all the chargebacks that would otherwise ensue.

      As regards real quality products, I know for a fact that if you have a good reason, contentboss will happily refund you. It needs to be a good reason though. You can't just signup, wrangle 500 new articles and say 'I don't want it'. That would be like walking into a restaurant, eating a 5 course meal then refusing to pay with the comment 'I didn't enjoy it'.

      Frankly, if you find the idea of not refunding for stuff that's been consumed 'funny', you probably need to get out more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
    I know a little bit about autoblogging with wordpress - I've started a couple of threads here on Warriorforum - I link to them in my sig.

    Basically, it's a big long thread that explains that I actually use a little bit of all the methods outlined by xiaophil above.

    I use a mixture of reprint rights and PLR for some long form articles. I usually have custom (but procedurally generated) content pieces used as headers and footers which include my target keywords, sometimes with links.

    I also use that custom procedural content bit to add a little commentary to some "blog carnival" style posts that scrape short RSS snippets from blog selected to match the niche of my own blog. I always attribute, and though I used to do the remixing and linking of this content, I've gotten away from that. I leave their stuff untouched, and do the keywording and link-stuffing with my own custom bits that I add above, below, and sometimes in-between the bits I snag from RSS.

    Typically, I'll try to go and actually add a meaningful comment to all the blogs I include in these "carnival" posts, too.

    I also throw in affiliate product stuff, some procedurally generated review content to go along with that.

    I have my own adsense-like system that I use to embed ads inline to my content, too. That's actually handy because it goes out with the feeds. RSS aggregators then pick those up and re-publish my ad links, and that's cool.

    I also use it to auto twitter, auto bookmark, and update other "sub" blogs on wordpress.org and blogspot.

    Like earlier posters said, it IS a lot of work up front, but once you spend a little time tweaking the content "recipe" for the individual blog, it's easy to load it up as a queue and just let it run on 99% autopilot.

    I have dozens of blogs that all I do is read them every once in a while to make sure they're still working, and make backlinks when I'm bored. I have plenty to backlink to, and I never have to go looking for places to link from, because I'm getting candidates delivered via RSS, also generated by my same auto-blogging system.

    I guess I wrote all that to brag at least a little, but it should give you an idea of what's possible.

    I use Yaab, WPOM, Subscribe2, GoCodes, StrayRandomQuotes, PageLinksTo, aaaand I think that's the main ones currently in the mix. Oh, and I integrate with Ping.fm's post-via-email system to extend the platform into the other sites I mentioned.

    The key to autoblogging is forget about the money - make it a game of finding the content that people will be interested in, organize it intelligently, work in the right keywords to help people find the stuff.

    Make a REAL website, just think of it as wearing your editor/producer hat instead of your author hat. You're not making a journal, you're making a magazine.

    Once you've got a site worth visiting, you'll start gathering traffic, and once you have that, making money is just a matter of trying things. Ads, affilaite links, product reviews, list-building, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author vicone
      Keith,

      I remember following the threads listed in your signature from their first appearance.

      The model seems to be continuing to evolve. Do you have a more detailed update of your current model?

      I've used both YAAB and WPOM and find that WPOM has more flexibility for my needs (how it uses keywords, etc), especially once I found out how to get it working properly with WP 2.7+

      YAAB seems to allow fewer characters in the RSS feed address, which limits it to a single keyword.

      Some expanded comment on your current model would be appreciated, especially about current means of obtaining "original" content.

      Thanks.

      Ivan
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      • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
        Originally Posted by vicone View Post

        Keith,

        I remember following the threads listed in your signature from their first appearance.

        The model seems to be continuing to evolve. Do you have a more detailed update of your current model?

        I've used both YAAB and WPOM and find that WPOM has more flexibility for my needs (how it uses keywords, etc), especially once I found out how to get it working properly with WP 2.7+

        YAAB seems to allow fewer characters in the RSS feed address, which limits it to a single keyword.

        Some expanded comment on your current model would be appreciated, especially about current means of obtaining "original" content.

        Thanks.

        Ivan
        Yeah, it's always evolving. I use both Yaab and WPOM at the same time. They both have advantages and disadvantages.

        No, I don't have an update post prepared on my updated method yet, as I don't really want to share what I'm currently working on, at least not in detail. I'm very excited at its potential, as this particular evolution will allow me to drastically scale what I was doing before and do it rapidly.

        I spent a year developing my initial model and getting about 60 blogs underway. Now I'm up to 75+ and I aim to have 250 by the end of this year. Now, not all of those will be Wordpress hosted blogs mind you. Since I don't want to be a total tease, I'll tell you a little bit about my current setup.

        For the last little while I've been working on building a special private wordpress install that's not accessible by the public. I lock it down with Absolute Privacy plugin and hide it from SEs with nofollow, noindex.

        This one installation collects, assembles, and customizes all my content, all based on keywords and RSS. It then can publish either in real time based on cron jobs that look for new content via RSS and scrapers, or based on a postdating schedule I can set during a bulk content load. I sort the content into categories, one category per blog that this "feeder" controls.

        So this blog doesn't publish content to itself - it publishes the content to many other blogs, which are nothing but a theme and Yaab set to pull just the one feed I've assigned to it. The magic is, I don't have to just push content to wordpress hosted installs. Through the magic of a particular web 2.0 service, I can post from this content engine to all kinds of places: social sites, bookmarking sites, twitter, etc. Even other free blogging sites like blogger and wordpress.com

        It's all still done with free plugins and free content. I don't even use PLR anymore. It's all RSS for niche based content to commentate and refer people to, and niche based articles from free directories.

        Anyway, that's enough sharing. SHH! Don't tell anyone.
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        • Profile picture of the author vicone
          Keith, thanks for the tantalizing hints.

          Any idea of when you'll be able to disclose a bit more - especially about the content creation?

          Much appreciated.

          Ivan
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        • Profile picture of the author Glenn72
          Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

          So this blog doesn't publish content to itself - it publishes the content to many other blogs, which are nothing but a theme and Yaab set to pull just the one feed I've assigned to it. The magic is, I don't have to just push content to wordpress hosted installs. Through the magic of a particular web 2.0 service, I can post from this content engine to all kinds of places: social sites, bookmarking sites, twitter, etc. Even other free blogging sites like blogger and wordpress.com

          It's all still done with free plugins and free content. I don't even use PLR anymore. It's all RSS for niche based content to commentate and refer people to, and niche based articles from free directories.

          Anyway, that's enough sharing. SHH! Don't tell anyone.
          Hi Keith,

          I've just been catching up on a few of your recent posts here. I remember reading and enjoying the posts you have linked in your signature back when you first posted them.

          The current system you have set up sounds quite impressive. I like the idea of having one invisible blog feeding all others. Does it involve Ping.fm by any chance? I've been trying to figure out how I can do a lot more with that myself. Pixelpipe is another similar site that can get your content onto around 95 different Web 2.0 sites. Mostly photo sites, but quite a few video and blogging sites also.

          Also, you mentioned a free automated social bookmarking plugin in one of your posts I was reading. Is that an Auto Social Poster style plugin? I found one the other day that works with random Onlywire accounts. Is that what you're using? I haven't got around to trying it yet.
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          • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
            Originally Posted by Glenn72 View Post

            Hi Keith,

            I've just been catching up on a few of your recent posts here. I remember reading and enjoying the posts you have linked in your signature back when you first posted them.

            The current system you have set up sounds quite impressive. I like the idea of having one invisible blog feeding all others. Does it involve Ping.fm by any chance? I've been trying to figure out how I can do a lot more with that myself. Pixelpipe is another similar site that can get your content onto around 95 different Web 2.0 sites. Mostly photo sites, but quite a few video and blogging sites also.

            Also, you mentioned a free automated social bookmarking plugin in one of your posts I was reading. Is that an Auto Social Poster style plugin? I found one the other day that works with random Onlywire accounts. Is that what you're using? I haven't got around to trying it yet.
            Hey Glenn, thanks!

            My current experiments DO use Ping.fm actually. I think I mentioned that here before somewhere. I guess it's safe to let that out since it really is pretty laborious to set up. You only have to set it up the one time per account, but still. If you want to get hundreds of accounts under a single control location (which I do) it's very tedious. Which means I can tell everyone and their mom, and no one will ever take the time to do it. That's pretty much the whole internet marketing "industry" right there is people who keep buying stuff instead of doing stuff.

            I need to figure out a way to get people to do it for me somehow.

            Thanks for mentioning PixelPipe. I hadn't heard of it, but will check it out. It appears to work very similarly to Ping, and if that's the case, it should be able to be used with my feeder engine blog quite nicely.

            I'm not sure what social bookmarking plugin I may have mentioned - I've used ASP in the past, but get the same strange errors and problems others have reported. Right now, I just use Ping.fm via my system (only currently does Delicious and Diigo for bookmarks).

            Honestly, I never really got all that much benefit from doing anything strictly with Social Bookmarking, at least not with any kind of automated method. I've gotten some good trafffic from some MANUAL efforts, but I never really maintained that level of effort, so I don't get too much benefit from that.

            Diggbar is cool for easy Digging of stuff, but the single account is limiting.

            I haven't bothered to check for any, but basically any site or service which can I can update via an RSS or email message, I can post to via my feeder engine Wordpress install. I'm sure there are many opportunities that I'm not taking advantage of.

            But anyway, I hope that answers your questions. Feel free to ask any more here or via PM. I'm happy to answer!
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      • Profile picture of the author VipulShah
        If you don't mind me asking, what is WPOM? So far heard of Yaab and caffeinatted content. There are so many out there. I'm going to experiment with a good one that is free. Any pointers would be great.

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        Originally Posted by vicone View Post

        Keith,

        I remember following the threads listed in your signature from their first appearance.

        The model seems to be continuing to evolve. Do you have a more detailed update of your current model?

        I've used both YAAB and WPOM and find that WPOM has more flexibility for my needs (how it uses keywords, etc), especially once I found out how to get it working properly with WP 2.7+

        YAAB seems to allow fewer characters in the RSS feed address, which limits it to a single keyword.

        Some expanded comment on your current model would be appreciated, especially about current means of obtaining "original" content.

        Thanks.

        Ivan
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankLinks
    How to get the uniqueness or at least let google think it's uniqueness is the most important thing for autoblog,if it's not "uniqueness content" you will not get good SE position,in other words you will not get free good traffic.
    keith may develop a secret method to solve this problem,congratulate keith.wish you succeed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by FrankLinks View Post

      How to get the uniqueness or at least let google think it's uniqueness is the most important thing for autoblog,if it's not "uniqueness content" you will not get good SE position,in other words you will not get free good traffic.
      keith may develop a secret method to solve this problem,congratulate keith.wish you succeed.
      False. You do not need unique content to succeed. It may help you get higher rankings and do better that I do, but that doesn't mean you won't see results at all otherwise. For me, I'd rather own 1000 mediocre blogs that do "okay" because it's really easy to maintain.

      90-98% of the content I publish is wholly recycled from other sources. even when I DO something original, once I write something the first time, I repurpose it as many times as I can also, so I even am recycling my own stuff. It's not a secret method I use. I describe it in some detail here and in other places on this forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
        Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

        False. You do not need unique content to succeed. It may help you get higher rankings and do better that I do, but that doesn't mean you won't see results at all otherwise. For me, I'd rather own 1000 mediocre blogs that do "okay" because it's really easy to maintain.

        90-98% of the content I publish is wholly recycled from other sources. even when I DO something original, once I write something the first time, I repurpose it as many times as I can also, so I even am recycling my own stuff. It's not a secret method I use. I describe it in some detail here and in other places on this forum.
        I can see this one kicking off again, but Keith, you're wrong. At the moment, you can succeed DESPITE duplicate content, not BECAUSE of it. Just like a few years ago you could succeed with doorway pages and that kind of stuff. Doesn't work now. Why? the search engines got better. I don't even know why you bother to argue this point - think about it - even if YOU happen to be on page one for some keyphrase with 100,000,000 duplicate copies out there, 99,999,990 other sites AREN'T

        As you say, there's nothing wrong with 'repurposing' your stuff, and that generally means making it different, not just pasting it up 100,000 times. You want to keep doing that, you go right ahead, but it's almost the very definition of website spam in the eyes of the search engines.

        You might as well recommend people to buy 'fantoshadomaker' or whatever the hey it was called.
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        • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
          Originally Posted by Jon Alexander View Post

          You want to keep doing that, you go right ahead, but it's almost the very definition of website spam in the eyes of the search engines.
          Better alert AP, Reuters, Drudge, etc., etc., etc. since they do the exact same thing.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
            Originally Posted by bgmacaw View Post

            Better alert AP, Reuters, Drudge, etc., etc., etc. since they do the exact same thing.
            that's right.

            And THEY feature for the content. Not YOU.

            I mean, fer crying out loud, if dupe content is the way to go, presumably you only have the one site? Cloned 1000 times? After all, if the first site is making money, so will all the clones. Maybe you should clone it 1,000,000 times.

            I'm done with this argument for a number of reasons.

            1. I used to REALLY want to believe that I could make lots of money just by slapping up a few scrapers. The 'Brausch' method, circa 2003 - 4. I mean, how easy would that have been? Unfortunately, my experiences in the last 10 years have enlightened me to the one overriding truth of the internet - it evolves and changes constantly. While the brausch scraper technique may have been a sure fire earner back in 2002 (before he started selling $10,000 seminars about it :-) it most certainly doesn't work now. Why? Because the internet keeps evolving and adapting.

            You seem to be suggesting that search engines haven't improved since 2003. They used to show reuters, API etc back then too. Guess what? They still do. They just don't favor the 19,000,000 other sites that forlornly publish the same stuff. Except as 'also rans'.

            2. Everyone you're preaching to WANTS to believe its that simple. They don't want to believe that they have to do a little work to earn some money. So off you go, guys, throw up dupe after dupe after dupe. Of course those pesky search engines won't notice. After all, they are just staffed with some of the brightest brains on the planet.

            My final comment. throwing up a niche site is like buying a lottery ticket. Buy a lot, and you increase the chances of success.

            but not if you buy the same frickin numbers every time
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            • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
              Originally Posted by Jon Alexander View Post

              I'm done with this argument for a number of reasons.
              We all know you're shilling for ContentBoss that plays on 'duplicate content' fears to sell to noobs.

              What Keith is talking about is content aggregation and it's something that Google has absolutely no problem with at all.
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            • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
              Originally Posted by Jon Alexander View Post

              I can see this one kicking off again, but Keith, you're wrong. At the moment, you can succeed DESPITE duplicate content, not BECAUSE of it. Just like a few years ago you could succeed with doorway pages and that kind of stuff. Doesn't work now. Why? the search engines got better. I don't even know why you bother to argue this point - think about it - even if YOU happen to be on page one for some keyphrase with 100,000,000 duplicate copies out there, 99,999,990 other sites AREN'T

              As you say, there's nothing wrong with 'repurposing' your stuff, and that generally means making it different, not just pasting it up 100,000 times. You want to keep doing that, you go right ahead, but it's almost the very definition of website spam in the eyes of the search engines.

              You might as well recommend people to buy 'fantoshadomaker' or whatever the hey it was called.
              Well yeah, but my point is, there's SO MUCH content out there for FREE that NO ONE is republishing. If no one's SEOing it (and no one will) why shouldn't I be the one to take advantage of it?

              You're right, I don't post the same thing up 100,000,000 times either. I've probably never re-posted the same article twice across any of my 70+ blogs. But I got all of the content I've ever posted from somewhere else.

              I think we're talking about different things here. I guess if thousands of people started doing what I do, in an even lazier way than I do, then I guess what you say could happen - 100,000 of duplicates, etc.

              But it's not going to happen that way. And even if it does, my methods will beat em.

              Originally Posted by Jon Alexander View Post

              that's right.

              And THEY feature for the content. Not YOU.

              I mean, fer crying out loud, if dupe content is the way to go, presumably you only have the one site? Cloned 1000 times? After all, if the first site is making money, so will all the clones. Maybe you should clone it 1,000,000 times.

              I'm done with this argument for a number of reasons.

              1. I used to REALLY want to believe that I could make lots of money just by slapping up a few scrapers. The 'Brausch' method, circa 2003 - 4. I mean, how easy would that have been? Unfortunately, my experiences in the last 10 years have enlightened me to the one overriding truth of the internet - it evolves and changes constantly. While the brausch scraper technique may have been a sure fire earner back in 2002 (before he started selling $10,000 seminars about it :-) it most certainly doesn't work now. Why? Because the internet keeps evolving and adapting.

              You seem to be suggesting that search engines haven't improved since 2003. They used to show reuters, API etc back then too. Guess what? They still do. They just don't favor the 19,000,000 other sites that forlornly publish the same stuff. Except as 'also rans'.

              2. Everyone you're preaching to WANTS to believe its that simple. They don't want to believe that they have to do a little work to earn some money. So off you go, guys, throw up dupe after dupe after dupe. Of course those pesky search engines won't notice. After all, they are just staffed with some of the brightest brains on the planet.

              My final comment. throwing up a niche site is like buying a lottery ticket. Buy a lot, and you increase the chances of success.

              but not if you buy the same frickin numbers every time
              First that bit about duplicating the same site thousands of times is silly. That's not what I'm saying to do or what anyone is saying to do (at least I hope not). That's not really an argument against anything since no one ever said that was viable.

              But your closing statement makes my point for me.

              What you're saying about lottery tickets is only true if you're the only one playing the lottery. Buying more tickets with the same numbers won't increase your chance of winning. But it DOES increase the amount of the pot that you win should you have to share it with other winners.

              I think THAT analogy is probably more appropriate to what we're talking about. I take content that I have the right to republish, I improve it, I build inroads, I actually make a useful informational site. I'm not really just throwing this stuff out there to do some kind of arbitrage thing and turn organic traffic into ad clicks.

              The point of what I do is to make an actual purposeful destination, that's useful to my market. I just use the tools of automation that a black hat adsense scraper would use to help me scale and manage the large number of blogs in my portfolio. I use tools designed for nefarious ends, I put in a wee bit more effort, and I use them to build something actually worthwhile (although usually mediocre, but still not garbage that exists solely to put ads on).

              It is work, it's just work that I do once, up front, and then manage the site from there. I have tons of info coming in, I publish the best of it. It works for me, and it's worked more than once. Do with that what you will.
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  • Profile picture of the author petelta
    Hey guys,
    Ive been reading up on what you all are saying about automating a blog. I started a blog about 3 months ago and have gotten a decent amount of content up. I'm into the idea of automating though so I can put my focus on other aspects of the blog other than being an author. I am very new to internet marketing and I want to start focusing on learning SEO and affiliate marketing.

    I've created this blog to eventually make money so Im wondering if by automating my blog will I be able to build the trust from my readers to sell products? I still want to write articles but I think the extra automated content will bring in more traffic. Just not sure if its worth adding an automated content area or if I should just start a new blog with complete automated content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Koana
    Personally I think that automated content is that classic "too good to be true" scenario...

    I still wrote all my own stuff, and I'm guessing that most marketers do too. If it could all be done automatically, don't you think everyone would you just do that? You're never going to get the same SEO results nor the conversions (due to the content often not being particularly enjoyable to read).

    P.S. Hey everyone! First post on the forum!
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