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Reject new affiliate..

by Boby29
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I see a lot of persons around this forum and i have read few WSO that state and learn the persons that read:
If the person that request to be affiliate have 0 sales reject him!

WHY? I know that are a lot of scam persons around that all they want is to take advantage and scam you in any possible way..but lets be honest..this can happen anyway.
I have not try to became an affiliate for products only from this reason..because i know i have no chance to get this happen. I have read an WSO recently and i was shocked about what i have seen there. I don't want to give names..but i will quote something about affiliates approval:
"If it is a new affiliate - refuse.
If they have joined years ago but still have less than 50 posts - refuse
If they have joined in the past 3 months - refuse."
For real? that means that a newbie have no chance to get something work around only because he is new and have less then 3 months on forum? Or if that person have less then 50 post means he will scam you?

I really don't know where i want to get with this..or why i have open this threat. I know it will not change anything. I think are to many persons that teach around here in a bad way. As i'm a honest person with fear from God i think a simple chat with the person before accept him as an affiliate will make you get a decision if is worth to accept him as affiliate or no.
We must stop judge 100 persons the same way just because one of them is a thief and want to scam.
#affiliate #affiliatethis #reject #totaly
  • Profile picture of the author bbb7
    Why don't you email the WSO creator and ask why he does that?

    Maybe there are some other reasons.
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    • Profile picture of the author Boby29
      Originally Posted by bbb7 View Post

      Why don't you email the WSO creator and ask why he does that?

      Maybe there are some other reasons.
      That WSO was just an example i see no point to ask him that. I have seen others teachers around here that say the same thing.
      Most of them say this because they want to avoid scams...but is totaly unfair in my opinion.
      Maybe that person that request to became affiliate had a website and use adsense or CPA to monetize the website. And now want to start something new and enter in Affiliate market...will be impossible according to this persons that teach others to refuse from start.
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      • Profile picture of the author bbb7
        Life isn't fair...

        It seems like you are the one being rejected for not having some experience in affiliate marketing. Or are afraid of that.

        If thats the case, just look for some other offers. There are plenty out there.

        You don't need to be mad about anyone. They are the product owners, they can accept newbies or not on their will.
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        • Profile picture of the author Boby29
          Originally Posted by bbb7 View Post

          Life isn't fair...

          It seems like you are the one being rejected for not having some experience in affiliate marketing. Or are afraid of that.

          If thats the case, just look for some other offers. There are plenty out there.

          You don't need to be mad about anyone. They are the product owners, they can accept newbies or not on their will.
          No..don't get me wrong..i have never try to became affiliate and i have never get rejected. And i'm not mad about the product owners that reject newbie..is their right as you say. I just say that the persons that teach others to reject newbie are very wrong about this.
          If you read my first post better you will understand what i have say.

          I'm not mad about anyone..they are all free to do what they want..and i have say my opinion...if you think is fair is what you think.
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        • Profile picture of the author Matthew Olson
          A legitimate reason why many established product creators often reject affiliate
          requests from people without a track record is because they want to keep their
          EPCs at a high level.

          Establishing a high EPC on a new product launch (especially in the first 24 hours)
          is crucial to attracting big JV partners. EPC is a metric that most big affiliates
          look at when deciding on which products to promote. The higher the EPC,
          the more big affiliates you'll get to promote your product.

          So why would they reject somebody with little or no track record?
          Because they may not want to risk getting a lot of non-converting traffic that
          contributes to lowering the overall EPC.

          Personally, I only approve affiliates that have a decent EPC track record
          and low refunds (all these stats are readily available when you see an
          affiliate request).

          I'll often make exceptions if a new affiliate sends me a personal note
          with a thoughtful game plan for promoting.

          To your success,
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          • Profile picture of the author Boby29
            Originally Posted by Matthew Olson View Post

            A legitimate reason why many established product creators often reject affiliate
            requests from people without a track record is because they want to keep their
            EPCs at a high level.

            Establishing a high EPC on a new product launch (especially in the first 24 hours)
            is crucial to attracting big JV partners. EPC is a metric that most big affiliates
            look at when deciding on which products to promote. The higher the EPC,
            the more big affiliates you'll get to promote your product.

            So why would they reject somebody with little or no track record?
            Because they may not want to risk getting a lot of non-converting traffic that
            contributes to lowering the overall EPC.

            Personally, I only approve affiliates that have a decent EPC track record
            and low refunds (all these stats are readily available when you see an
            affiliate request).

            I'll often make exceptions if a new affiliate sends me a personal note
            with a thoughtful game plan for promoting.

            To your success,
            Matt
            Thanks for your clarifications. But you see..i have nothing and i'm not even allowed to ask product owners why they reject newbies affiliates. Is their right. My "problem" is with this guys that all they say is to refuse newbie. They don't come with a good argument like yours...
            anyway..i have say in first post..dont know what i have open this threat or where i want to get with this..
            i have just say my opinion...and was a good deal because i have understand few things.

            Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        Sorry to say, but sellers are inundated with an avalanche of scammers who steal product, money, leave a trail of PayPal disputes, and sometimes are dealing with stolen accounts.

        On JVZoo there is an interesting feature where "problems" can be banned and multiple sellers have had to block accounts. THOUSANDS of them.

        More of than not, the problems are zero posters. Not someone with 500 posts under their belt and a year of forum participation.

        You may be looking at this from the side of the affiliate, but you don't have any risk. You're not the one whose sweat and money in creating a product is being stolen. You don't have to deal with customer support. You don't have to deal with PayPal complaints. You don't have to deal with forum complaints and bad reviews because an affiliate misrepresented a product.

        The reality is "Boby29" who is new with no posts to his name looks like a scammer. I wouldn't approve you as an affiliate solely based on the forum name.

        Not only is there is a high risk of a problem, even if you are legit the chances of you actually referring any sales are minimal.

        From the seller's point of view you present a high risk and low reward.

        How YOU can fix this so you will be approved by product sellers is to participate in the forum. Be a valued member who is (1) at least human, (2) somewhat intelligent, and (3) enthusiastic about marketing and learning how to drive referrals as an affiliate.

        That really isn't too much to ask.

        Instead of demanding that sellers GIVE you the right to promote their product, EARN it.

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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    The reason that's suggested is because it's good advice to protect your business.

    Why would the vendor care if you're not happy about that? They already aren't interested in having you as an affiliate so most likely your opinion will mean very little to them.

    I'll explain it simple: nobody is going to risk their business just to make life "easier" or "fairer" for a newbie affiliate. If the affiliate can't handle that then they need to look somewhere else for revenue.
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  • Profile picture of the author jamescanz
    I personally reject people with 0 sales all the time.

    It's not the 0 part that really does it, more of the lack of answer when I say "Tell me how you plan on promoting XYZ"

    Or when they do answer, and say they have 1,000+ sales when they clearly don't

    If they aren't serious about promoting, then I won't be serious about accepting them
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    • Profile picture of the author Boby29
      Originally Posted by jamescanz View Post

      I personally reject people with 0 sales all the time.

      It's not the 0 part that really does it, more of the lack of answer when I say "Tell me how you plan on promoting XYZ"

      Or when they do answer, and say they have 1,000+ sales when they clearly don't

      If they aren't serious about promoting, then I won't be serious about accepting them
      See..this is a real reason to reject..not the sales number. Im totally agree with you.
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      • Profile picture of the author LimitlessTraffic
        Originally Posted by Boby29 View Post

        See..this is a real reason to reject..not the sales number. Im totally agree with you.
        Boby29, you are probably unaware that an affiliate can screw the whole business up.

        For example:

        1. They sell using using scam methods like sending an email to their list saying stuff like
        "Unicorn just launched a product and it is 100% Guaranteed to make you millions. In fact, if you don't make a million in a week. You can ask for a refund and get all your money back" Not only is this against the FTC guidelines but it will also lead to paypal dispute, complains etc.

        2. Refund issues. When launching on platforms like Jvzoo of Warriorplus. The refunds are done manually and affiliates need to play a role in that. Imagine if the affiliates just ran away.

        There's actually more to it but what I'm saying is "It's Not Just About Approving Affiliates" It's about taking care of their business.
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        • Profile picture of the author Boby29
          Originally Posted by LimitlessTraffic View Post

          Boby29, you are probably unaware that an affiliate can screw the whole business up.

          For example:

          1. They sell using using scam methods like sending an email to their list saying stuff like
          "Unicorn just launched a product and it is 100% Guaranteed to make you millions. In fact, if you don't make a million in a week. You can ask for a refund and get all your money back" Not only is this against the FTC guidelines but it will also lead to paypal dispute, complains etc.

          2. Refund issues. When launching on platforms like Jvzoo of Warriorplus. The refunds are done manually and affiliates need to play a role in that. Imagine if the affiliates just ran away.

          There's actually more to it but what I'm saying is "It's Not Just About Approving Affiliates" It's about taking care of their business.
          yes..i'm new in this online world and still buy WSO and try to learn how to make things good. I'm far away from dreaming to become an affiliate...still is a "to big thing" for me.
          I was just thinking this is unfair..and not the reject part..but when they teach others to reject with no explication. In this threat i have understand few things and in really happy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Boby29
    I'm not an affiliate..im totaly new in this online marketing..i don;t want to make this threat about me.
    This was a simple opinion..that is better to talk with a person to see if is a scammer before you judge him.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I'm a product vendor and get many affiliate requests each day. I reject about 99% of them, most days it is 100% of them. I know from experience that it is only ever the top 1-2% of affiliates who will make you 99% of the sales. The rest are all just time-wasters. I have way more to lose by approving a rogue affiliate than I do to gain by approving the average affiliate.

    Besides, if an affiliate is really keen about promoting my product then they would make that clear. If I rejected them they would come back and question the rejection and give me more details about who they are, how they plan on promoting, and why I should approve them.

    But alas, 99% of affiliates I reject I never hear from again. This just confirms to me I made the right decision in rejecting them.

    What I'd be more concerned about is the products teaching new affiliates to go and request approval for any and every product they can find and then create worthless one page blogs to try and get free traffic to that site. They are the ones ruining things for you not the product vendors.

    If I put out a product about product creation I would also teach people to not approve any affiliates they do not already know. I've seen too many people get screwed over by making this mistake and so I would not want other product vendors to make that same mistake.

    It's kind of like the old problem of getting your first job. No one wants to hire someone without experience but how do you get that experience if no one is willing to give you a job. Well you know what, the people who really really want a job will always find a way. This is just the same.

    You gotta make your own luck. No one in this world owes you anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Boby29
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      If I put out a product about product creation I would also teach people to not approve any affiliates they do not already know. I've seen too many people get screwed over by making this mistake and so I would not want other product vendors to make that same mistake.
      Yes..i understand that..but im sure you will explain why to reject newbie...not just say reject like other guys do.
      Because my "problem" have come after i read a WSO..and all that have say was..reject ...reject..reject. Not a single argument. But in this threat i have seen a lot of good arguments and points of view that i understand and i'm good with them. because is all about the money and the business.
      many have not understand that this threat is not about product owners that reject affiliates, and is about persons that give advice to refuse newbies with no argument.

      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      It's kind of like the old problem of getting your first job. No one wants to hire someone without experience but how do you get that experience if no one is willing to give you a job. Well you know what, the people who really really want a job will always find a way. This is just the same.
      You gotta make your own luck. No one in this world owes you anything.
      You got a strong point in there.
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    I reject tons of affiliates. Anyone with 0 sales gets rejected without a thought. Why? Because I know that there is a 99.9999% chance that they wont send me any sales anyway so I have nothing to gain by approving them.
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