What the HELL happened to this forum???

15 years ago

10 replies is good!

You can get a lot of information from 10 replies.

Maybe consider posting in the Adsense / Adwords / PPC Discussion Forum and you'll get a better response.

James

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kswr123

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JamesPenn

10 replies is good!

You can get a lot of information from 10 replies.

Maybe consider posting in the Adsense / Adwords / PPC Discussion Forum and you'll get a better response.

James

I SHOULD agree, but I disagree.

Take a look at that section. Hardly anyone viewing it.

I think we should just have 1 main section, with each post in the main marketing forum, but under a different sub (like the complete websites for sales in the WSO section).

Just a thought, because the only things which are ever active are the WSO and the Main forum sections. Oh, and the War Room. But the treasures in there are a strict secret

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JamesPenn

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mubarak Waseem

I SHOULD agree, but I disagree.

Take a look at that section. Hardly anyone viewing it.

I think we should just have 1 main section, with each post in the main marketing forum, but under a different sub (like the complete websites for sales in the WSO section).

Just a thought, because the only things which are ever active are the WSO and the Main forum sections. Oh, and the War Room. But the treasures in there are a strict secret

True, but the Adsense experts hang out in that forum. Just like the expert Copywriters hang out in the Copywriting forum.

If you want the experts to answer your question, you have to ask in the correct forum.

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MichaelHiles

15 years ago

Because everyone who figured out how to create a Twitter account is now an expert in Internet Marketing?

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Loren Woirhaye 15 years ago

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

Because everyone who figured out how to create a Twitter account is now an expert in Internet Marketing?

That's funny.

It's hard to guess why some threads get juice and other threads
sink.... aside from the obvious factor that threads where the
poster brags about how much money he's made in the subject
line usually get a lot of interest.

The more technical a thread is the fewer people, in general, will
have the knowledge to discuss the topic... so try not to focus
on the quantity of the answers and look at the quality... and if
somebody seems to know what you would like to know, ask that
person specific questions so he or she knows what you are
looking for.

A great deal of knowledge is here for the asking - but you
have to think about how to phrase the questions carefully.
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nicholasb 15 years ago

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

Because everyone who figured out how to create a Twitter account is now an expert in Internet Marketing?

I know tell me about it, I talk to so many wannbe marketers who think they know everything, if that was the case why aren't they making any money

If your not making money with marketing you don't know nothing about marketing period
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Igor Kheifets 15 years ago

Originally Posted by MichaelHiles

Because everyone who figured out how to create a Twitter account is now an expert in Internet Marketing?

LOL, so damn true

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Zeus66

15 years ago

To be fair, it does get old when the same thread topic is started umpteen times by newbies when with even a quick forum search they could get the answer they're looking for. Do you think it's too much to expect of people to spend a few minutes searching for an answer? I don't. I prefer a forum that has expectations of its members... not just the other way around.

John

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Zeus66

To be fair, it does get old when the same thread topic is started umpteen times by newbies when with even a quick forum search they could get the answer they're looking for. Do you think it's too much to expect of people to spend a few minutes searching for an answer? I don't. I prefer a forum that has expectations of its members... not just the other way around.

John

Exactly, and you'll find that when a new topic is brought up that is does get a lot of attention because it is not just going over the same stuff.

When I was a newbie, I received lots of great help and on retrospect, I did ask one or two questions that were already answered in old threads (before I found out how to use the forum efficiently) and even then, I was treated with patience and given more than sufficient help to answer my question.

Honestly, I think this forum gets better and better and if you use it properly, you can find out everything you need to really get your business off the ground.

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JB

15 years ago

After a 10 year hiatus from the Warrior Forums I returned last night and was a little turned off by some of the IM jabbering and the likes of the whining OP of this thread but reading through some of the responses here has restored my confidence in this site[

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mmurtha

15 years ago

Originally Posted by JB

After a 10 year hiatus from the Warrior Forums I returned last night and was a little turned off by some of the IM jabbering and the likes of the whining OP of this thread but reading through some of the responses here has restored my confidence in this site[

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Lol JB,

Everyone's still around here doing what is needed. Not necessarily what is wanted, but what is needed.

Someone earlier posted that it seemed like a soap opera. They left for a couple of years, came back, and picked right up where they left off, never skipping a beat.

I think newer people don't really know what goes on in this forum, nor what others do behind the sceens to help people here. All they think about is themselves. But truth be told, you end up getting when you can put you immediate needs behind, and put someone else in the forefront.

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BlackWaterBlog

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Zeus66

To be fair, it does get old when the same thread topic is started umpteen times by newbies when with even a quick forum search they could get the answer they're looking for. Do you think it's too much to expect of people to spend a few minutes searching for an answer? I don't. I prefer a forum that has expectations of its members... not just the other way around.

John

This post only 4 posts into the thread, and pretty much the best sounding post out of everyone elses.

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JakeDaly

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Zeus66

To be fair, it does get old when the same thread topic is started umpteen times by newbies when with even a quick forum search they could get the answer they're looking for. Do you think it's too much to expect of people to spend a few minutes searching for an answer? I don't. I prefer a forum that has expectations of its members... not just the other way around.

John

Agreed wholeheartedly but sometimes, especially when looking for answers on the slightly more specific topics, the search function on this forum is practically useless and one of the worst ones I've seen on a public forum. One could type a phrase such as "best location adsense banners" into the quick search function and I'd be willing to bet somehow the "Angela's Backlinks" WSO thread is one of the first three to come up, usually with a bunch of other non-related threads that had been published that very same day.

Now, using the advanced search function greatly increases the chances of getting what you're looking for.. but a lot of newbies don't use those. I know I've searched at greath lengths on a question I'm sure had been answered before, but to no avail. So I reposed the question, got a a great answer in minutes, and had probably helped 5 other people.

BUT, to the original poster of this thread.. don't expect too much. 10 replies on a help question is fantastic, usually threads that get any more than that are ones that actually dispense help themselves.

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jayman

15 years ago

I know how you feel. There's some really good warriors that
give advice and post to help others and not really want anything
in return, but there are many that post how much they earn, blow their
horns to kind of build reputation so they can come up with WSO
to sell to those people

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VegasGreg

15 years ago

Usually you can get good answers with only 1 or 2 replies, so there isn't much of a need to add 37 additional replies with the same good information.

If 10 replies doesn't answer your questions, I doubt 50 could even help you then.

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havefunandlive

15 years ago

Eh. Sometimes I get 0 replies and 1 view, actually, even if I use google to search the forums thoroughly for an answer before posting, hahaha.

I was surprised to see I had actual replies on my last thread I posted, though.

I guess it depends on the people that are on at the time.

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Eric Lorence

15 years ago

Hi Jim...

I thought you gave up a few months ago, glad to see you're back.

You were here B4, you know how it is, ask a simple question and the new members looking to get their post count up will be all over it.

Not much has changed...

Just do some searches and you'll find it.

A good Adsense GURU is here...

http://makemoneyforbeginners.blogspot.com/

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Max Ramocsai

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Eric Lorence

Hi Jim...

I thought you gave up a few months ago, glad to see you're back.

You were here B4, you know how it is, ask a simple question and the new members looking to get their post count up will be all over it.

Not much has changed...

Just do some searches and you'll find it.

A good Adsense GURU is here...

How to Make Money Online for Beginners

Yes, I HIGHLY recommend you check out Griz's website if you are serious about making money with AdSense.

He literally gives you everything you need in order to start creating your very own AdSense business as long as you are willing to do a little reading. It might be a bit hard to navigate and find exactly what you are looking for but it is very much worth your time.

And that's the thing, if there is anything you would like to know more about making money with AdSense then you WILL find it on his site. He is one of the few people in this business who actually reveals what he knows...for free.

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Alan Petersen

15 years ago

I haven't checked but did you post it in the right forum?

The main forum is as the description says: "Where We Talk About Making Money". Not where we ask questions about AdSense.

That's why Allen created a whole separate forum to discuss and ask questions about AdSense:

Adsense / PPC / SEO Discussion Forum

As the description so clearly states for the AdSense forum:

"This section is for discussion about Adsense and Adword strategies, techniques, ideas...etc. Please keep all posts on topic and we'll see how this goes."

And yes this forum gets more eye balls than the AdSense forum but that's where the actual AdSense experts are hanging out so you might get much better responses about the subject matter. You don't need 100 replies just 1 that offers the correct info to get it going.

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TelegramSam 15 years ago

Why are you moaning and groaning about the fact you "only" got a little bit of help?

I want to ask you two blunt questions:

1) Have you taken ACTION on the answers you were given?

2) Have you given help to others on this forum?

What goes around comes around, so if you contribute to others, one way or another you will get your share of help.

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CDarklock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jimewing2121

That doesn't help me or most other people.

Does this?

You are on the internet.

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Scott Ames 15 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Does this?

You are on the internet.

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA OMG* that was funny

*(Oh My Gosh ) in case you were wondering
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HeySal 15 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Does this?

You are on the internet.

LMAO

You just knocked off a lot of next week's WSO traffic. Hahahahahahahaha.
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Derek_Thomas 15 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Does this?

You are on the internet.

That was freakin hilarious!

Kudos for unveiling your secret tactics!!

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Hasan Barbary 15 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Does this?

You are on the internet.

lmao! You know the old saying: "You can lead a horse to water..."
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radio

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jimewing2121

I have posted about 3 threads asking people for help with adsense and I am getting no more then 10 replies.

~30 responses answering your original questions about adsense...

WOW!

WOW! is right - lots of people stepping up. Time to use the information and put it to use.

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Andyhenry

15 years ago

I can't believe that someone would come to the forum ask a question, get 10 answers and then start a post bitching about how people aren't going out of their way to help them.

Jesus!!!

Since when did the world owe you an income?

This forum is STILL FULL of amazing people and when a real call for genuine help is put out - this forum is the best there is.

Asking people to lay your business out of a plate for you and then bitching when we don't all line up to spend our time doing your thinking for you says a lot more about you than the forum.

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Eric Lorence

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

I can't believe that someone would come to the forum ask a question, get 10 answers and then start a post bitching about how people aren't going out of their way to help them.

Jesus!!!

Since when did the world owe you an income?

Agreed...

Noticed the OP hasn't replied yet, though I do remember the same kind of negative attitude from you Jim, a while ago.

I think then you vowed to "Quit IM" and never come back.

Did you even listen to any of the advice you back received then?

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mmurtha

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

I can't believe that someone would come to the forum ask a question, get 10 answers and then start a post bitching about how people aren't going out of their way to help them.

Jesus!!!

Andy,

LMBO! Don't bring Him into it. He didn't have anything to do with it.

Seriously though, I appreciate you stating what you did before I got to do it.

Sometimes I don't quite understand where these people come from!

jimewing2121,

Well, hope this thread satisfied your need for attention!

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CDarklock 15 years ago

Originally Posted by mmurtha

LMBO! Don't bring Him into it. He didn't have anything to do with it.

Yes he did! Are fishers of men really so different from trollers of a forum?
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  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  Yes he did! Are fishers of men really so different from trollers of a forum?
  
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  you might want to rethink that one.
  
  Yeah, but I can't decide between Lord Voldemort's "There is no good and evil, there is only power - and those too weak to seek it." or Pinhead's "There is a secret song at the center of the world... and its sound is like razors through flesh."
  
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mywebwork

15 years ago

Has the OP vanished, or is he just overwhelmed by receiving more than 10 responses? There are a lot of good points being made here, I'd be interested in hearing his response (unless he quit IM forever again).

Originally Posted by Zeus66

To be fair, it does get old when the same thread topic is started umpteen times by newbies when with even a quick forum search they could get the answer they're looking for.

This is so true! Some days I get a feeling of deja-vu when I see the new questions. The "What's the best Autoresponder?" threads, the "I'm overwhelmed, where do I start?" question, the "Help - I need to make 1000 bucks by next Tuesday" pleas - they are all great questions but they have been asked (and answered) dozens of times already.

Is it surprising that the senior members don't leap up and respond to every "how do I build my list" question they see? I know that I love helping other members, but it can get tiring answering the same question you responded to last week.

Originally Posted by VegasGreg

Usually you can get good answers with only 1 or 2 replies, so there isn't much of a need to add 37 additional replies with the same good information..

Very true - do you really need 10 responses all the time? If you're starting a debate (which this thread isn't as we all seem to be on the same side) then I can understand wanting a lot of responses, but if you want to know how to do something then one correct answer should be all you need. Besides, most of the other answers will probably just be newbies building up their post count.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

This forum is STILL FULL of amazing people and when a real call for genuine help is put out - this forum is the best there is.

I completely agree with everything Andy wrote, and especially this line. This is by far the best IM forum in the world. It's a community, a place where you can interact with others who have similar goals to your own. It's a give and take arrangement - you don't just use it as a personal research service (that's what Google is for). I have not only gained a wealth of information here, I have also made friends with other Warriors around the globe. My biggest regret is not having joined earlier.

Bill

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CDarklock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by mywebwork

they are all great questions but they have been asked (and answered) dozens of times already.

It strikes me that this is what a FAQ is supposed to handle. That's what the F in RTFM stands for: "Read The FAQ and Manual".

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Paul Myers

15 years ago

It strikes me that this is what a FAQ is supposed to handle. That's what the F in RTFM stands for: "Read The FAQ and Manual".

Well, that's ONE interpretation...

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jimewing2121

15 years ago

This is my point. Look at how many people are responding to this thread. Now go and look at how many people are writing on threads that are actually meaningful. Someone even had the time to make a video showing how easy it is to use google. Now why dont you use that skill to maybe teach someone else how to do something that will benefit them. Just sitting there criticizing me for feeling like people are all about themselves here doesn't make you any better.

I have to say there a a few very great people on here that will help you without hesitation but there is only a handful. That was my whole point.

And the reason I think 10 replies is nothing is because I would like to see what many people think on the issue. There are so many ways that things can be done so there is no way to say that in 10 replys you will have the best one.

I just find it extremely funny that all these people will write on this but wont write on thread asking for help.......

But thank you everyone that offered some advice. I really appriciate it.

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Paul Myers 15 years ago

Jim,

Why so many responses to this thread? Hmmm... Do you think it might be that you insulted a whole group of people, based out of your feelings of unmet entitlement?

Yeah. That'll get responses from a lot more than just the AdSense experts.

I will acknowledge that there is a slight drop in the helpfulness of responses to some types of questions that are typically asked by new folks. You are absolutely right in that observation. It happens from time to time.

The cause might interest you. It's "entitlement questioning." New folks come in expecting others to drop everything and answer their questions, rather than doing any research. These are the same types of people who post in WSO threads that they want "review copies" of products, but who haven't even demonstrated that they know enough about the topic to form an intelligent opinion on the subject.

And, of course, when they don't get what they want, the way they want it, when they want it, they throw tantrums, which is pretty much what your initial post in this thread amounts to.

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Andyhenry

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jimewing2121

And the reason I think 10 replies is nothing is because I would like to see what many people think on the issue. There are so many ways that things can be done so there is no way to say that in 10 replys you will have the best one.

I just find it extremely funny that all these people will write on this but wont write on thread asking for help.......

Since you've come back to your thread and seen the replies, I'll add another comment to address your main issue.

Your original thread was about Adsense - for 'most' warriors, this subject has been discussed to death over the years and right now there are a lot of people who made money with Adsense in the past that generally don't bother with it so much now because it's much less effective than in the past and there are more interesting ways to make money.

Now, that's not to say there aren't still a lot of people into it - simply because you need no brain whatsoever to throw up Adsense on some web pages, so it's bound to appeal to some people to have nothing at all selling right now. It seems like easy money.

The reason you probably didn't get much response could be:

1 - We've all typed a ton of stuff about it already and just can't be bothered to do it again just because you didn't look or find it in previous posts.

2 - For the majority of people it only produces a few dollars a month, so it's not what they want to focus on. If you'd been making money with Adsense and were sharing what was working - you'd have got a lot more responses. Just asking generic questions is boring for most people to read. It's like all the threads started with "how can I get traffic" - how many times do you think we've been around that topic?

3 - There's an Adsense forum section. The post really belonged there.

So, it's not a conspiracy against you or against Adsense, or against newbies or anything like that.

In fact you'll find a LOT of information about the subject already posted here over the years if you look for it.

Unless you bring more to the table than just asking everyone else to give you a list of things that work - most people won't be inspired to take much time to tell you what they've already typed multiple times before.

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15 years ago

Hi Jim,

You posted this about a month ago in another thread that you started 'Back and lost - help please!' here -

So I used to be on here regularly but I stopped with the internet marketing because I got tricked into pretty much making an ebook for someone and they just skipped out on my. (long story) But I just gave up and got rid of my 2 pages. But I am back and just doing it for fun right now.

(Bolded for emphasis)

Back in November last year you made one of those really grating 'I finally give up' threads here, and got three pages (yes three pages) of replies. It explained 'I have tried for 3 months, but it didn't all go my way so I am quitting.' Whenever I read that type of thing I think to myself 'well, just go then! - don't make a fuss.' I don't have to read the thread to know what the replies would be - they will be people telling you not to quit.

Why?

Because most people here are SO fired up to succeed that they simply can't bear to hear talk about failure and feel compelled to explain to someone ALL of the reasons why quitting should not be an option. THAT'S what's good about this place - it's filled with winners, who can't help but share the good feeling that gives.

So what do you do?

You create another thread, entitled - 'I finally give up reply' here.

Can anyone say 'attention whore'?

Just take a look at all of the threads you have started and the titles of them -

page 3

page 2

Seriously - just take a look at the titles.

Including such gems as 'anyone bored' - here

So I am sitting here with nothing to do. So I am thinking that maybe a couple of people want to try something out.

I Do not know exactly what to try but if you have ideas let me know. I am thinking of trying to see how much we could make in a period of like 3 hours. Get a little group of people together and build say a blogger site selling some item and see how well we can do. Anyone interested?

Here are the reasons I bother to point all of this out.

Not so long back, if someone tried to fill up the forum with 3 pages of useless, appalling drivel like that, they would have been laughed out of here. It wouldn't have been allowed to happen.

But when one person seems to get away with it, others follow. And it becomes a tsunami. And now the few people here willing to call others out for this selfish behaviour are overwhelmed with others like you, posting total crap constantly, too lazy to work out anything for themselves, and constantly demonstrating that they are so far gone with the loser's attitude that they really have no business being here.

This is a public forum. I don't want to be associated with losers like you, who are only doing this for fun, give up at the slightest difficulty, and spread their negativity and hopelessness around like the plague.

Either shape up, or ship out.

Losers are not welcome here.

And if anyone thinks I'm being harsh, just consider what it means to have dragged yourself kicking and screaming out of the rat race, through adversity that doesn't get talked about here, without pleading for help constantly, self-educating oneself and finding answers, while all the time using the opportunity to help genuinely similar people in the forum purely as a way to further educate oneself - and then to see the forum taken over, looted and vandalised by people with an entitlement attitude - and all the while knowing that these selfish people are making it more difficult for others who genuinely need the help, to get the assistance that they need.

This selfishness must stop. I (for one) am not going to sit back, frustrated, and watch other people ruin this place, without telling them exactly what I think about it.

What the HELL happened to this forum???

People like YOU happened to this forum Jim. THAT'S what's the problem is.

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Adrian Cooper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Jim,
This is a public forum. I don't want to be associated with losers like you, who are only doing this for fun, give up at the slightest difficulty, and spread their negativity and hopelessness around like the plague.

Either shape up, or ship out.

Losers are not welcome here.

And if anyone thinks I'm being harsh, just consider what it means to have dragged yourself kicking and screaming out of the rat race, through adversity that doesn't get talked about here, without pleading for help constantly, self-educating oneself and finding answers, while all the time using the opportunity to help genuinely similar people in the forum purely as a way to further educate oneself - and then to see the forum taken over, looted and vandalised by people with an entitlement attitude - and all the while knowing that these selfish people are making it more difficult for others who genuinely need the help, to get the assistance that they need.

This selfishness must stop. I (for one) am not going to sit back, frustrated, and watch other people ruin this place, without telling them exactly what I think about it.

People like YOU happened to this forum Jim. THAT'S what's the problem is.

Very well said Roger.

If anyone thinks IM is hard consider this - bricks and mortar business are a thousand times harder for 10% of the return.

The main issue with IM is that it is too easy, but still there are too many people who believe the world, or the Internet, owe them a living - it doesn't.

Successful people never, ever, ever complain. They simply learn through experience and are grateful for failure, because through failure we progress.

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discrat

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Since you've come back to your thread and seen the replies, I'll add another comment to address your main issue.

Now, that's not to say there aren't still a lot of people into it - simply because you need no brain whatsoever to throw up Adsense on some web pages, so it's bound to appeal to some people to have nothing at all selling right now. It seems like easy money.

Andy

Yeah, but in all due respect it does take some amount of brainwork because to build up a substantial Adsense Income you have to implement a number of SEO Strategies. This definitely takes some planning and some sustained effort over a period of time. And it is definitely NOT easy money.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by discrat

Yeah, but in all due respect it does take some amount of brainwork because to build up a substantial Adsense Income you have to implement a number of SEO Strategies. This definitely takes some planning and some sustained effort over a period of time. And it is definitely NOT easy money.

If you read what you quoted I said it 'seems' like easy money and that's why people get drawn to it. Throw some code up and make money. It used to be as easy as that, but not for a long time now - but there are still a lot of newbies who get sucked into trying it because it's so simple to try. So I was saying the same thing as you - not sure why you decided to argue the point.

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CDarklock

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jimewing2121

Someone even had the time to make a video showing how easy it is to use google. Now why dont you use that skill to maybe teach someone else how to do something that will benefit them.

I am not affiliated with the fine folks at lmgtfy.com, and if the experience didn't benefit you, that is your fault - not mine.

A click on their "Advertise for $199" link reveals, for example, that this price would get 150,000 relatively untargeted people looking at your ad every month. A few dozen reloads on the page turns up five advertisers: Backpack, Basecamp, Highrise, RuRo, and WebAir. The first three are all web-based packages from 37signals, the creators of Ruby on Rails, which are targeted to small business owners.

So I'll bet if you have a web-based package for small business owners, this would be a good place to advertise it.

Don't have one? Still a good thing to know. Maybe someone will come in here and ask "where should I advertise my small business web application?" and it won't be a direct competitor to anything from 37signals (you can't compete with them, they're an 800-pound gorilla in web apps). Then you can say "try lmgtfy.com" and you've helped someone.

Or you can just bitch about how you already knew how to use Google and what a waste of time that was. Most ignorance is willful.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

I can't believe that someone would come to the forum ask a question, get 10 answers and then start a post bitching about how people aren't going out of their way to help them.

Jesus!!!

Since when did the world owe you an income?

This forum is STILL FULL of amazing people and when a real call for genuine help is put out - this forum is the best there is.

Asking people to lay your business out of a plate for you and then bitching when we don't all line up to spend our time doing your thinking for you says a lot more about you than the forum.

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it depends on your sales letter

Thanks Sudhir, that's the quality that keeps newbies on the sh** list.

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Max Ramocsai 15 years ago

It's kind of ironic considering the OP has created a thread complaining about how he hasn't gotten any useful info about "how to get a better CTR with AdSense", gotten at least one golden resource about the subject in a thread that is totally unrelated, and then has totally disappeared.

Seriously, keep this type of thing to yourself or write a blog post if you aren't going to acknowledge anything said in YOUR OWN thread.
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VipulShah

15 years ago

Ok, I just have to reply to this thread.....

I'm satisfied with 2 replies and you're complaining about 10 replies??? WOW.

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Kevin Marshall

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jimewing2121

I have posted about 3 threads asking people for help with adsense and I am getting no more then 10 replies. everything on here now is people trying to show how much they know. It isn't someone asking people for help or advice.

Everything is I made my first sale, How to make $1,000 in a week, how I make 100k a month. That doesn't help me or most other people. And then when someone does post something that is like, please help me with the best way to get people to click my adsense. i get 10 replies and thats it.

I remember this forum used to be so good for helping newbies come up and would have so many people willing to help out anyone that needed it. It has changed so much. WOW!

Wow Jim I thought you were gone forever. I think I recommended that you try something else since you weren't having any success. I was on Warrior Forum back when you had that thread about quitting IM and I don't think the Forum has changed much at all. I would even say it is getting better all the time! I am always learning new things here.

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xlfutur1

15 years ago

There is still TONS of information to help newbies here. So much so that its information overload.

The forum has changed over the last few years in that it is fragmented more into subtopics, which is great. I think this is the best forum on the internet, especially with the way in which you can search for just about any IM topic you'd like with just keywords. I've been on many other forums with no search functions at all.

Sounds like you need to just lurk in the adsense portion of this forum and ask your questions there. Don't rip on the forum as a whole when its your lack of navigation that that is most likely holding you back.

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Mike Hill

15 years ago

You got more than 10 replies on this thread...

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RobinSkeen 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Hill

You got more than 10 replies on this thread...

Mike Hill

Okay, that was funny. LOL

Seriously, forums go through changes all the time. I've been hanging out here a little over two years. It IS different than it was 2 years ago, but I'm still happy to come here and get a free education on every aspect of IM.
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Kevin Marshall

15 years ago

Things are constantly changing, so it is ridiculous to think that the forum is going to be the same 6 months from now or even a month from now. The same holds true for Internet Marketing. Things are always changing, and we have to be able to adapt to change in this business. Heck, 10 years from now, Google could be replaced by the next hottest thing in search engines. You just have to be flexible to change with the times. Twitter is one of the hottest social media sites now, but it was not long ago when Myspace was all the rage.

As I said in my previous post, I actually think Warrior Forum is better now. You joined about the same time I did, so I've seen changes here just like you have.

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AtomicFlipper

15 years ago

There is so much free help here I think it's too much sometimes for the newbies, imformation overload is a bad thing, and I think that is what has happened here with you.

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embrown

15 years ago

I know I ask way too many questions, but I get a majority of them answered. I'm not really expecting 2-3 pages of responses, though. Plus with my first profit, I'm going to reinvest in the war room, like several people mentioned doing. Also, the search is my friend. My search-fu is improving and allot of my personal FAQs are answered by going through some of the older posts.

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15 years ago

You need to give 'thanks' to the replies.

If you get 10 replies, add thanks to every reply.

This way you will get many replies.

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jhongren

15 years ago

Hi Jim,

I know how you feel...

Posing questions and not getting the answers you wanted...

There can be two types of responses to this from you...

Start a thread like this

OR

move on to figure out what else you can do...

As suggested, use the search feature to find exactly what you want,
or go google to look for what you want
or buy some products that can give you want you want...

I think life has to move on and we have to take ownership
of what has happened...

This is the true mindset of a successful marketer...

I think for many successful marketers out there, they
could have similar experience like yours...asking for help
and no (or very few) people helped them....

What do they do?

They move on and created their successful business today...
by working really hard and taking ownership of their lives.

My 2 cents,
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Nightengale

15 years ago

Paul Myers is right. Not only did the OP's post insult everyone here, but so did his subject line.

I clicked on it because of the subject line only to find someone whining and griping about how "only" 10 people responded to his questions in another thread. Are you kidding me??? Ten responses is still quite a lot and knowing the Warriors here, probably contained a lot of very useful content.

This is THE Internet marketing forum and really the most helpful place on IM ever. I can't believe someone would gripe about getting "only" 10 responses. Sheesh!

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discrat 15 years ago

Oh boo hoo hoo............So some people feel like they are a little insulted by the OP. Well get over yourselves already. GEEEESSSSHHH !!!
Frankly, the OP point does indeed have some validity to his point. I can relate to some degree with what he is saying.

But Jim, like someone said go to the Adsense Section and it will be better to post there.

I know it can be frustrated when you dont feel like you are getting the answers you need. But like anything in Life it does take some time and effort to really find out what you need.

This is definitely one of the best places to learn that is for sure.

Just keep at it !!!
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Will Edwards

15 years ago

With 47 replies and over 1,000 views so far for this thread - I don't know what you are complaining about (lol).

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Raiel Schwartz

15 years ago

Perhaps this forum should have several sticky pointing to informative threads that newbies can go to.

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AndrewCavanagh 15 years ago

I would think you'd only need to take action on ONE good reply to get results.

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Matthew Iannotti 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Craig.Michaels

Perhaps this forum should have several sticky pointing to informative threads that newbies can go to.

Thats a great idea! It would save alot of folks from asking the same questions day in and day out..

The only thing is, someone would have to put a guide together that is addresses newbie questions...
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Derek_Thomas 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Craig.Michaels

Perhaps this forum should have several sticky pointing to informative threads that newbies can go to.

They did for a while actually...Not sure what happened, but the post is still available...

Here's the link...

New? -- Read This! > This is Ebbi's post to help us newbies get started here in the Forum.

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escoll1 15 years ago

I don't post much but even I had to reply on this. I have the exact opposite problem. I am usually overwhelmed by all that goes on here. I do know that since I'm going to try IM again I need to plug in here with the Warriors. If the answer is not here then there is no answer anywhere.

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John Taylor

15 years ago

This reminds me of a well know quotation
with apologies for a small adaptation:

"Ask now what this forum can do for you
but rather what you can do for this forum"

With a spike in the influx of new members
the forum's focus has changed. As a result
it's more difficult to answer lots of questions.

I'd suggest that the more experienced Warriors
are perhaps being more selective. I know that
I'm much more likely to help people who have
demonstrated an ability to help themsleves
over those who don't seem to have done even
a basic search.

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15 years ago

Roger,

Thank you for yet another great "tell it as it is" post.

For anyone who cares to pay attention, please note
the amount of research and preparation that Roger
put into his response.

Then you might realise how, if the OP has the balls
to take the feedback on board, how Roger's post
could really help him to break through his current
limited thinking.

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi John,

I haven't finished yet

Hi Jim,

(your follow up post)

This is my point. Look at how many people are responding to this thread. Now go and look at how many people are writing on threads that are actually meaningful. Someone even had the time to make a video showing how easy it is to use google. Now why dont you use that skill to maybe teach someone else how to do something that will benefit them. Just sitting there criticizing me for feeling like people are all about themselves here doesn't make you any better.

I don't want to say that comment was predictable of someone with the entitlement attitude, but there's a tribe....

As has been explained, the reason why people are answering here is because they are fed up of people like you. Does that not tell you something? Do you enjoy making people fed up? Does it make you feel better about your own failure that you can interfere with other peoples' success?

You think you are in a position to tell the good people of this forum what they should be doing? Don't make me laugh.

As far as I know, no-one here made that 'video.' It's a website I like to use to *help* others. It delivers a lesson. The lesson is -

'You could have used google to find the answer to your question rather than wasting pixels here AND by doing so, you would have just taken one MASSIVE step towards success in business.'

No-one can hold your hand all the way to the top. A massive percentage of people fail in business because they don't have the tenacity to stick it out through the tough stuff. I've been sticking it out through tough stuff for six and half years full time. It's still tough now, that hasn't changed. But you don't see me whingeing on here about how tough it is. I relish the challenge.

Success NEVER falls into peoples' laps. And if it might appear to have done so, then it will never last. Success is like personal fitness. It has to be earned, and you have to KEEP earning it, otherwise it disappears and finds a more deserving person to attach itself to.

This post isn't for you Jim - you're a lost cause in all probablility. It's for the others who may have seen your posts and might think that they can get away with the same ineptitude and entitlement mentality and outright selfishness.

It's not just about the forum. It's also about what you need to succeed - long term. And if someone has the same attitude as you, they will never succeed. They will only ever be someone's employee, someone's lackey - and a poor, whingeing, useless one at that. Their only skill in life will be to make excuses and to blame others for their failures.

Now why dont you use that skill to maybe teach someone else how to do something that will benefit them

I was when I linked someone to lmgtfy.com and I am by posting this. But it only looks like help to those who are genuinely looking for help - not those who are only here to spread their negativity around like a dirty protest, because they are so angry with themselves at their utter lack of self motivation and initiative.

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Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi John,

I haven't finished yet

LOL THAT made my morning! Thanks Roger!

And seriously, not picking on the OP, but to succeed in business, you really DO have to have a "No excuses, no whining allowed" attitude. YOU are responsible for your own success and now no one else. Whining the way you did at the beginning of this thread will get you nowhere.

As I dig deeper into starting and building my business, I realize that success is as much mindset as anything else. Your attitude, which includes a determination to not quit even when you run into obstacles, is crucial to your success.

I might be a slow starter, but fortunately, I'm a very stubborn person. (And it was the tortoise who won the race, not that silly wabbit.)

As I move forward, I'm realizing more and more the truth of the saying "It's all between your ears" -- whether that's good or bad. Lately, I've been listening to leadership expert John Maxwell's monthly leadership lessons he puts out on CD. And he mentioned that the biggest enemy (or problem) you have is the one in the mirror.

My dad has preached this to me for as long as I can remember. But someone else said two things to me that have really hit home:

1."Success is not for sale." There are no shortcuts. You can't buy success. It's not for sale at any price (except the price of your own effort and determination).

2. "YOU are the greatest asset you have." Do you believe in yourself? Are you willing to bet on yourself (no excuses)? If you aren't, why should anyone else bet on you?

These two have really hit home for me lately and strengthened my resolve to move forward and make a success of my business. (I'm just getting an especially slow start. )

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15 years ago

Roger... dude... you are a total riot. If I could buy you a Bass right now, I'd buy you a dozen.

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ExRat

15 years ago

Hi Michael,

Bass? Is that Bass Bitter? I think that's made by M&B which (coincidentally) is in my old home city of 'Brum'.

I don't do bitter, I'm a weak, fizzy lager man. As my German friend said to me - 'it's like a combination of German beer....and water.' Lol.

But thanks.

I do want to point to John's point above. My intention is not to drive Jim away, but actually the opposite - to put some fire in his belly. When I say 'you're a lost cause in all probablility' - that's a challenge.

I hope the general forum populous can see the method in my madness. This 'style' was taught to me by my greatest life-mentor, who saved me (at a young age) from a life of certain humiliation, cowardice, weakness, frustration and failure.

He himself learnt the style from his father, a true Yorkshire coal miner, who allegedly started him young by saying -

'Jump off the wall and I'll catch you son.'

Then he moved away and watched him hit the ground.

He followed up with - 'First lesson in life, lad - never blindly trust anyone.'

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WritingMadwoman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

'Jump off the wall and I'll catch you son.'

Then he moved away and watched him hit the ground.

He followed up with - 'First lesson in life, lad - never blindly trust anyone.'

Ouch. But what a great lesson (and kind of funny, unless you're the one hitting the ground).

I must say I always get a lot out of your posts, Roger - sometimes a laugh, sometimes some wisdom, but always something worth taking away.

Wendy

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by ExRat

'Jump off the wall and I'll catch you son.'

Then he moved away and watched him hit the ground.

He followed up with - 'First lesson in life, lad - never blindly trust anyone.'

Second lesson - 'if you've just broken both your legs don't come running to me'

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CmdrStidd 15 years ago

I am not sure if anyone here has heard this term before or not but I know a lot of them will agree with it once it is explained. Chauncey M Depew was the head of a railroad company and he is the first that I know of to coin this phrase but it has died out over the years.

He was asked, "if you lost all your money today, what would you do" and his reply was "I would make it all back tomorrow." Later, a reporter for the Chicago Sun Times asked him to explain that statement and here is what he said.

"Son, I have the millionaires attitude. What that is is the belief that I can do whatever I set my mind to doing no matter what the rest of the world tells me, and that I deserve every damned bit of it because I own it already in my mind. I don't let small, trifling things get in my way because they are just a waste of my time. I don't guess nor hope that I am worthy of these things but I know that I know that I know that I am worthy of those things. That is what separates us millionaires from the rest of society. They live with fear that maybe they are not worthy of such things and so they go through their mundane lives just being satisfied with the ordinary and never striving for the extraordinary. A person is his own worst enemy when that is the attitude he takes through life. No matter if you believe that you cannot or if you believe you can, your going to be right. You have to make the decision and say I am going for it and to hell with anyone who is going to stand in my way with comments of I can't or wont succeed because I am going to do it no matter what it takes."

If you cannot sit and say that you fit this bill then you need to leave here and not come back until you do because otherwise you will continue to fail because you believe that is what you deserve. The problem is that while you are failing you will continue to blame others like in this thread when it is not others but rather it is in yourself. If you tie yourself to a shooting star then you will fly through the heavens but tie yourself to an ostrich and all you will get is a face full of sand.
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15 years ago

Originally Posted by jimewing2121

people trying to show how much they know.

I've noticed a few essay replies with waffle in hope that people will look at their sigs. As the saying goes...

"An empty barrel makes the most noise"

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Fruit&Veg

I've noticed a few essay replies with waffle in hope that people will look at their sigs. As the saying goes...

"An empty barrel makes the most noise"

I have read some great responses in this thread, in "discussion style" which makes for some of the best threads in my opinion but sorry, your post is total crap.. sorry, I would normally be nicer and explain myself more but I am choosing to post this response "Roger Style" because his posts in this thread made sooooo much sense.. so there it is..

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Tom B Banned 15 years ago

I agree with the OP!

I have sent Allen 50 private messages demanding personal help and I have yet to receive anything. Well, besides giving me Riley's email address. I am in the middle of sending Riley 100 emails and we will see if this forum is still a great resource. I just finished up a timeline for Riley and will email that to him regarding when the help should be scheduled.

I will report back once I hear from Riley.
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ImakeCharts

15 years ago

Originally Posted by SusanneUK

I have read some great responses in this thread, in "discussion style" which makes for some of the best threads in my opinion but sorry, your post is total crap.. sorry, I would normally be nicer and explain myself more but I am choosing to post this response "Roger Style" because his posts in this thread made sooooo much sense.. so there it is..

I wasnt referring to the responses in this thread.

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Kay King

15 years ago

I wrote a reply to the OP's last post and deleted it - and Roger said it so much better.

The OP goes from "how can I do this" to "I'm quitting" to "I'm back".
From "how can I do adsense" to "I lost my adsense account" to "where can I add adsense".

When most of the posts made by a member are in threads he started - and are about "what I need, what I want, what I don't like"....eventually people stop answering. Lost cause. What's the point?

The OP may not learn anything from this thread - but others will.

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Onslaught

What the HELL happened to 20 minutes of my life?

I can't believe I read this stupid thread.

I would like to rant on the ranter but I just realized... I don't
give a sh-t.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out

I was just chastising myself for wasting so much time in this thread

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15 years ago

Originally Posted by Onslaught

What the HELL happened to 20 minutes of my life?

I can't believe I read this stupid thread.

I would like to rant on the ranter but I just realized... I don't
give a sh-t.

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out

Hehe - but you still had a strong enough urge to post a reply saying you don't care

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Originally Posted by Onslaught

What the HELL happened to 20 minutes of my life?

Haven't you been paying attention? Use Google to get your answers...

"what the hell happened to 20 minutes of my life" - Google Search

If you can't be bothered to do the basic research, don't expect us to help you..
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- Will_Surren 15 years ago
  
  jimewing2121, I am very much a newbie myself and have only been on this forum since april. I have been marketing online since 1998. In the time that I have been on this forum, I have found the people here to be very generous with their knowledge. I have never participated in a forum with members who have the knowledge and skill level found here. When you search the forum, you will find that most any question that you have related to adsense has already been answered. I am guilty of asking questions that have been answered as well. Mainly because when searching the forum, I was not able to locate the information I am serching for. However, other members have been great about pointing me to the threads.
  
  I don't believe that bashing the forum is going to gain you the respect you are looking for from the members that have made this forum what it is today.
  
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Susan Hope 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Fruit&Veg

I wasnt referring to the responses in this thread.

OK fair enough, perhaps you could join the discussion then and clarify what the intention of your post was?

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Fernando Veloso

15 years ago

Jim,

I keep asking myself Why in the name of God do you want to make 0,6$ with Adsense when you can make $25 with tested IM techniques you can learn here for free.

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seasoned

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jimewing2121

I have posted about 3 threads asking people for help with adsense and I am getting no more then 10 replies. everything on here now is people trying to show how much they know. It isn't someone asking people for help or advice.

Everything is I made my first sale, How to make $1,000 in a week, how I make 100k a month. That doesn't help me or most other people. And then when someone does post something that is like, please help me with the best way to get people to click my adsense. i get 10 replies and thats it.

I remember this forum used to be so good for helping newbies come up and would have so many people willing to help out anyone that needed it. It has changed so much. WOW!

That is one of the problems with forums like this with most visitors. You are lucky people aren't saying "MY NEW PRODUCT ANSWERS THAT ALL, CLICK HERE!"! Then again, such posts are generally not allowed here. One wonders what would happen if they were.

There ALSO used to be a requirement, that people should have easily figured out, that access was to be to purchasers of some of alan says products and services. so it was SOMEWHAT exclusive. nOW, EVERYONE can get in, etc...

steve

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Barbara Eyre

15 years ago

Geez, Roger ... stop holding back! Will you PLEASE just tell us how you feel?
*chuckles*

Honestly though, that was one helluva great post (parts 1 and 2).
You definitely expressed what many of us feel.

I'm not sure how old the OP is, so I'm going to assume he's young (under 25) .. which is the generation of the "ME, ME, ME, It's all about ME" people. Obviously, there are exceptions to that as there are many young entrepreneurs here at the WF who are doing a wonderful job. But this OP, as demonstrated by Roger's sleuthing skills, is someone who obviously won't be going far in life if all he does is whine, moan, groan, and expect others to do the work for them.

Oh well, his loss. More profits out there for us!

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Christa_Regalado

15 years ago

I spend more time reading here than posting. Anyway, I've seen repeated threads day in, day out. Why not use the search function to start with? You may have to sift through a lot of threads, but that's how things are. You need to look for the answers yourself. People are not obliged to give you or me or anybody the answers. If they offer their help, great. If they don't, then go do your homework. At least you tried.

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EmmaJames

15 years ago

I've been able to find some good information on any
question I've had. I've never gotten the chance to
post because I did a little research here and found
some concrete answers I could use.

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GarrieWilson

15 years ago

If I really want /need an answer, I offer cash.

Doing so normally gets lots of help or atleast one good answer.

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Michael Oksa

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jimewing2121

I have posted about 3 threads asking people for help with adsense and I am getting no more then 10 replies.

So, are you going to post a 4th and 5th and 6th time? I could have answered, but my answer would have been useless because I don't know jack about AdSense. In other words, it's better to look at the QUALITY of the answers as opposed to the QUANTITY (UNLESS you are more interested in attention than results).

everything on here now is people trying to show how much they know.

That totally contradicts your first sentence. If nobody is answering then how can they all be trying to show you how much they know?

It isn't someone asking people for help or advice. Everything is I made my first sale, How to make $1,000 in a week, how I make 100k a month.

What forum are you on? People are asking for help and advice all the time. Just like you said you have done in at least 3 previous posts.

That doesn't help me or most other people.

How do you know what helps other people? Seems like you are assuming everyone else is a carbon copy of you.

And then when someone does post something that is like, please help me with the best way to get people to click my adsense. i get 10 replies and thats it.

That is your experience. Some threads that ask for help get 0 responses, some get 100s - stop taking it so freakin' personally. At least you got responses. BUT, here's the thing...apparently you know what answer you are looking for (because it seems the answers you have received aren't fitting the bill).

So, instead of whining about not getting enough responses (read: the right response), why not start a thread where you OFFER the advice. If nothing else, you could explain what hasn't worked for you, that will help others from making the same mistakes.

I remember this forum used to be so good for helping newbies come up and would have so many people willing to help out anyone that needed it. It has changed so much. WOW!

Yep, all you need to do is look at the 1st post in this thread to see evidence of that.

However, look under you picture and you will find the most likely cause of your perceived "problem". What am I referring to? Where it says, "Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post". What I mean is, how much have you contributed to the forum? I don't know you, and you may be a decent guy, but right now you are coming across as someone who feels the world owes you a favor - it doesn't, we don't. But there's a difference: we are willing to help; it's up to you to accept that help or throw it back in our faces because it's not what you want to hear. Unfortunately, it looks as though you have chosen the latter.

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braver55b

15 years ago

Originally Posted by jimewing2121

Everything is I made my first sale, How to make $1,000 in a week, how I make 100k a month. That doesn't help me or most other people. And then when someone does post something that is like, please help me with the best way to get people to click my adsense. i get 10 replies and thats it.

Let them toot their horns about how much they made, Sometimes they detail exactly what they did instead of holding it close to their vest.

I have learned SO much stuff on this forum in this section, that would rival alot of what is in those $97 ebooks. Stuff that helps newbies and veteran IMers. I have to agree with the other poster who said that 10 replies is alot.

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diger

15 years ago

Jim, There is great value to the posts here that have been directed back to YOU. You can get mad about some of the comments or realize that all these Warriors cared enough to make their comments and hopefully help you to improve your attitude. Remember, these Warriors didn't have to make any comments at all.

Sincerely, diger

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Good News Now

15 years ago

I think this is great place with all kinds of info...but if you really need to find something you just got to search. Very simple.

Here is new thread for Adsense http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...s-learned.html check it out...

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bronnamdia

15 years ago

Venting your spleen on the forum members will not get your problem solved. You will do well for yourself if you adhere to the advice already given in this thread.

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birdfood

15 years ago

You need to keep in mind that the people using this forum have changed in the last 6 to 12 months since the economy in so many countries nose dived. That naturally changes the forum. For good for bad? I'm not in a position to say.

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