Whats wrong with all the WSO

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I consider myself between a Newbie and Intermediate user . I have spent lots of money here getting all kinds of WSO to be able to finally learn and make money online. For now lets say i have spend lots of money learning to make money online.

My main concern is why is there so many WSO that are just plain CRAP and SCAM ?

1) Is there a moderator to approve the WSO before they get promoted to the Forum or even better tested before ?

2) Since the WSO are targeted to newbies and intermediate members, why is it that all reviews of new WSO are always from other WSO vendors and not real new buyers of the WSO ?

3) There should be a rule to just let real buyers and not all the "easy-Fake " MY HONEST REVIEW BS - I GOT A COPY BS etc etc ...all just sound like RESPONSE TEMPLATE for free review in exchange for doing the same in their future offer.

Resuming: there should be a group of moderators trying to monitor all offers and at least their comments sections and review sections to spot the Scammers otherwise that Forum section will soon be only populated by Sellers and their Review Friends.


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  • Before investing in any WSO, you should read reviews, see demo videos, and ask any question related to this WSO, you mustn't buy any WSO that teaches how to make money unless you are satisfaid with! Also, you must see if there is a money back guarrentee so if you aren't satisfaid you will get your money back!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      You are posting in WSO threads that promise fast/easy money, $100 a day for little work, thousands a month in 90 days with little time required, etc.

      You are looking for "the answer" - and you won't find it in a WSO that promises easy money in a short amount of time with little work and no knowledge or experience. Those WSOs sell because people believe in magic. Because they sell so well, there are a lot of them.

      One saying holds true here year after year and new marketers usually have to make some bad purchases before they believe it....

      If it sounds too good to be true....
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      • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        You are looking for "the answer" - and you won't find it in a WSO that promises easy money in a short amount of time with little work and no knowledge or experience. Those WSOs sell because people believe in magic. Because they sell so well, there are a lot of them.
        Jay,

        Kay hit it on the head...

        The biggest problem is many WSO's focus on "shortcuts" and loopholes.... Some are simply worthless... A few are "diamonds." They are very rare...

        Building a business on the Internet is very similar to "Offline" business... You need to put in hard work before you get to "coast" a bit and do less work.... because you can afford to pay others to do the work....

        It is nearly impossible to sell "hard work" leading to real wealth. "Push button passive riches" will always sell more. :-)

        All The Best,

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  • Profile picture of the author NK
    Sounds like you just got burned and all the "easy" methods turned out to be not so easy after all. Are there a lot of crappy WSOs? Maybe, probably... but you should also look in the mirror before throwing the blame out.

    Take reviews with a grain of salt - whether bad or good. Go through the offer, read the review, ask questions and check for a guarantee. Perhaps most importantly, don't jump on every other new WSO that promises instant riches.

    You can also post in the WSO thread or report the thread to the mods if you really feel the WSO is a scam.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingBees
    If you were expecting to make money online legitimately with no work then you're living in a dream world basically. It takes hard-work (often more than your standard 9-to-5). It takes a bit of luck too. It takes a fair amount of knowledge. It takes A LOT of focus.

    And well... I could go on and on.

    The long and short of it is the WSO is perhaps NOT the best place to start.

    Try reading blogs (FREE) from people such as Neil Patel (Quick Sprout) and Noah Kagan (OkDork.com | Noah Kagan's Blog About Marketing and More) who I'd refer to as being PROPER online marketers.

    Those two blogs alone can work as a great motivation as well as a great place to gain the essential knowledge you need to begin earning online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Saintsfan40
    Originally Posted by jayjackson View Post


    My main concern is why is there so many WSO that are just plain CRAP and SCAM ?

    Because it's due to the fact the majority of those WSO's and ebooks are loaded with theory and fluff that leave out the key elements on being successful. What you need is a "Blueprint" on how to master a traffic source and a product. Joining a private mastermind or mentor is the best way to go. But it's always important to do your research properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    The answer is simple. Stop buying WSOs if you don't like them.
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    • Profile picture of the author wmwm300
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      The answer is simple. Stop buying WSOs if you don't like them.
      i disagree with your point as we are here to learn how make a money , so all of us needs a quality WSO that can we trust and buy it with no worry about the details .
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      • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
        Originally Posted by wmwm300 View Post

        i disagree with your point as we are here to learn how make a money , so all of us needs a quality WSO that can we trust and buy it with no worry about the details .
        When a WSO or an ice cream cone or a brand of sneakers or anything else continues to fail to deliver on its promises, only fools continue to buy.

        There are many marketplaces to purchase excellent information. I've bought my share of WSOs since I've been here. A couple were exceptional, most were good, a few were junk, despite the slick promises. That's how life is. I look at the banner ads that show up here and just have to laugh at the outrageous promises.

        But then I remember back to when I believed ridiculous claims like I see here. It's part of the learning curve. But sooner or later you've got to stop taking fools bait and realize that selling online is not a system or a program or a quick hit strategy. It's a business, plain and simple. The sooner you recognize that there IS NO genie in the bottle or magic "done for you" BS the better off you'll be.

        Bottom line. It's not up to anyone other than the seller to deliver the goods. Not the mods, not the owners of the forum, no one but the creator of the product. Period.

        And finally, no one here is forcing anyone to do anything. Everyone clicks the pay button of his or her own free will. If you do that expecting autopilot, done for you riches by Friday without any work you're going to be disappointed. BTW, most WSOs have money back guarantees. So if you really don't have the resolve to stay away from all those nasty, lying, rotten WSOs, just ask for a refund.
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      • Profile picture of the author Taleung
        Long time lurker and first post....hope I don't get all the sh*t on me.

        I'm observing a lot on this forum and this is what I see:

        - Lot of people who think they are at guru-level;
        - A lot of crap signatures to own blogs about how to make money and trying to sell some sh*t ebooks they found from any random affiliate company;
        - I highly doubt the selfclaimed guru's are actually making good money and if they do make sales, how do you live with the possible fact that you are actually selling crappy ebooks;
        - PLR is just crap;
        - All the crap about listbuilding. I never, I repeat...never heard of anyone in my circle who opted-in for some mailinglist with the intention to buy anything. (I know I will get a lot of shit over me on this issue). If I get an email from an unknown person/service or someone is trying to sell me something, it goes directly to my trashbin.
        - The same people are repeating day in, day out the same things in repeating topics, just to get high postrankings and exposure, with the ultimate goal of sell their own stuff.
        - 90% of all available stuff to buy, is utter crap.

        I'm not a guru, but I did take my fair share for the last 10 years. All on my own, without any ebook or "guru"-advice.

        Fact is, why should I tell any guy on the street how I make money and tell him how he can do it too. You do that too with your brick and mortar business? Don't think so.

        I'm sorry to say and if you want, you can ban me for this, but this forum is one big masked scamhole.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    Change your expectation. I buy wso's with the expectation of hopefully learning one new tip that I can apply to my business. If a WSO delivers that,I'm content. I don't expect to earn what's promised. I'm just looking for some good ideas that I can apply.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by jgant View Post

      Change your expectation. I buy wso's with the expectation of hopefully learning one new tip that I can apply to my business. If a WSO delivers that,I'm content. I don't expect to earn what's promised. I'm just looking for some good ideas that I can apply.
      My sentiments exactly. When I look through the WSO section I'm looking for WSOs that will teach me new strategies and methods that I can add to my existing business. I'm not looking for a WSO that will teach me how to make $250 a day in just two weeks, because there is no such thing IMO.

      For example, a WSO that teaches me a new list building method that I didn't know about is definitely what I consider to be a good WSO. If I can then apply that method to my current list building effort and end up getting more subscribers every day from it, then that WSO is definitely money well spent.

      I do understand the new Internet Marketers frustration, however. Some of the sales pages are way over the top and if I had come across them when I first got into IM I may have been tempted to believe the hype and buy because I didn't know any better then.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by jayjackson View Post

    My main concern is why is there so many WSO that are just plain CRAP and SCAM ?
    Quite often, when people here think that most of the WSO's are crap and scammy, it's because they've been buying products there whose sales posts make either income claims or claims that there's almost no work involved. Judging by the threads in the WSO Forum where you've posted, you've also been buying products whose sales posts make either income claims or claims that there's almost no work involved.

    I've bought some very good WSO's, myself, over the years, but I don't buy products whose sales posts make either income claims or claims that there's almost no work involved, and I never have. That's just my personal preference, but it's certainly left me with a very different impression of the WSO Forum from the one you have.

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  • Profile picture of the author cr726shd
    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

    Quite often, when people here think that most of the WSO's are crap and scammy, it's because they've been buying products there whose sales posts make either income claims or claims that there's almost no work involved. Judging by the threads in the WSO Forum where you've posted, you've also been buying products whose sales posts make either income claims or claims that there's almost no work involved.

    I've bought some very good WSO's, myself, over the years, but I don't buy products whose sales posts make either income claims or claims that there's almost no work involved, and I never have. That's just my personal preference, but it's certainly left me with a very different impression of the WSO Forum from the one you have.

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    To each his own. Think about it. It might be crappy to you but it might not be to a newbie. I think there is one solid rule to find out if a wso is for you or not.

    Establish at what level you are at and get to know if the wso is for your level or not. Often people buy wso's thinking it will be something new when it is something they are already acquainted with.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by cr726shd View Post

      It might be crappy to you but it might not be to a newbie.
      Yes, that's sometimes the case; but there are also other times, when the products offered are based on thoroughly mistaken premises and/or promoting business models extremely unlikely to work in 2014, for anyone at any level.

      In my opinion, instinctively rejecting offers which rest on income claims is quite an effective way - overall - of stacking the deck in your favor rather than against yourself. I'm pretty skeptical and quite critical, and even I have found that useful.

      Originally Posted by cr726shd View Post

      Establish at what level you are at and get to know if the wso is for your level or not.
      I used to find that very difficult indeed, when I had far less experience and judgement, because of the collective habit of WSO sellers of presenting their offers as being completely suitable for absolutely everyone, regardless of their perception of their own "level".

      Sometimes the reviews can help with that. But reading and interpreting them also calls for some judgement and experience. There's a big difference between a review written by someone who has also reviewed 20-30 other WSO's, having been given free "review copies" of each, and reviews from respected members who review few products, have bought, paid for and used the product for a while, and comment on their results.

      Originally Posted by cr726shd View Post

      Often people buy wso's thinking it will be something new when it is something they are already acquainted with.
      Yes, I don't doubt that's also true. Many sellers offer refund guarantees, though, which cover those circumstances.

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  • Profile picture of the author kingde
    A few of them have good techniques to experiment with.. but don't think that they will give you the real basis for a business.
    You have to put all the pieces together depending on your goals, strengths, interests and finding what works for YOU. (not all things are appropriate for everyone - each person needs a relevant reason to invest their time into a 'method' - there should always be a higher strategic purpose or intent)
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I am planning to create an amazing FREE WSO to deal with all the crap. What did happen to our score. Remember that we use to have a score just like E-bay and it is now missing. Please put the score back in. Other wise, we do not know the quality of the reports we are getting.
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  • Jay,

    Advice =>> LEARN. BUSINESS FUNDAMENTALS. AND. MARKETING BASICS. THEN. READ UP. ON. P. P. Ts. THAT'S. PEOPLE. PROCESS. TECHNOLOGIES.

    Why?

    =>> That'd allow you to spot a scam or crap IM / MMO / online business coaching program or digital info product or a signature message that leads to an opt-in page or a sales page...

    YES. YOU'LL KNOW. Even before you buy the product or sign up for the coaching program or click the signature message...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Oksa
    Originally Posted by jayjackson View Post

    There should be a group of moderators trying to monitor all offers and at least their comments sections and review sections to spot the Scammers otherwise that Forum section will soon be only populated by Sellers and their Review Friends.
    Sounds good in theory, but nobody else can do your due diligence for you. It's your responsibility to look into the qualifications of, and claims made by sellers of WSOs.

    All the best,
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    • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
      Originally Posted by Michael Oksa View Post

      Sounds good in theory, but nobody else can do your due diligence for you. It's your responsibility to look into the qualifications of, and claims made by sellers of WSOs.

      All the best,
      Michael
      Not to mention the WSO listing fee would have to go up substantially to cover all the man-hours needed to put eyeballs on every product. The time from list to approval would be staggering and no one could price their products high enough to make a profit.

      In short, it wouldn't be feasible.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Find something that works for you. If it takes you 365 days to bring in only $200/month this year - then that's just the nature of your business. Just understand that if you do the same exact things next year, you will probably be earning around $400/month... PLUS, income from backend sales. Call that another $400/month. You income will grow and will be proportionate to how many customers you get on the frontend, and how many of them buy from you on the backend... continuously. Don't get distracted by the idiocracy. Do what works for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author fatchap
    Well done jayjackson for spotting the truth. The WSO is full of rubbish. The IM world is full of 'gurus' who make money telling other people how to make money. Not actually doing it themselves. Here is an interesting thread http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post9449756
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  • Profile picture of the author Jarrod
    jayjackson, you've definitely learned a valuable lesson, but rather than let it make you jaded against all WSOs, let it make you have a more discerning eye on which ones are actually worth your time and $$$. There actually are some where the 3 things you pointed out are not true and which offer tons of real value worth far more than they cost, but you have to first realize the things you've pointed out to learn how to spot the winners.
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    • Profile picture of the author fatchap
      Originally Posted by Jarrod View Post

      jayjackson, you've definitely learned a valuable lesson, but rather than let it make you jaded against all WSOs, let it make you have a more discerning eye on which ones are actually worth your time and $$$. There actually are some where the 3 things you pointed out are not true and which offer tons of real value worth far more than they cost, but you have to first realize the things you've pointed out to learn how to spot the winners.
      Could you name some? It would be good to know
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      • Profile picture of the author Jarrod
        Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

        Could you name some? It would be good to know
        Depends on what you're looking to accomplish.
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        • Profile picture of the author fatchap
          Originally Posted by Jarrod View Post

          Depends on what you're looking to accomplish.
          Making money online perhaps? Isn't that the point of all those WSOs The aim is getting eyes on a site who then click something - in a nutshell
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          • Profile picture of the author Jarrod
            Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

            Making money online perhaps? Isn't that the point of all those WSOs
            Doing what?
            • List building?
            • Copy writing?
            • Converting?
            • Relationship building?
            • Market analysis?
            • Getting traffic via X?
            • Getting traffic via Y?
            • Getting traffic via Z?
            • Creating content?
            • Affiliate marketing?
            • Product creation?
            • Social media?
            • SEO?
            • PPC?
            • Solo ads?
            • CPA?
            • Kindle?
            • Blogging?
            • Web design?

            The list could go on for quite some time. If you simply ask "what is a good WSO that will give me all the training and tools I need to make a good living online?" you will surely be disappointed. Not gonna find that in a cheapo $7 WSO.

            Thus your question "what's a good WSO teaching how to make money online?" is WAY to vague.
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            • Profile picture of the author fatchap
              Originally Posted by Jarrod View Post

              Doing what?
              • List building?
              • Copy writing?
              • Converting?
              • Relationship building?
              • Market analysis?
              • Getting traffic via X?
              • Getting traffic via Y?
              • Getting traffic via Z?
              • Creating content?
              • Affiliate marketing?
              • Product creation?
              • Social media?
              • SEO?
              • PPC?
              • Solo ads?
              • CPA?
              • Kindle?
              • Blogging?
              • Web design?

              The list could go on for quite some time. If you simply ask "what is a good WSO that will give me all the training and tools I need to make a good living online?" you will surely be disappointed. Not gonna find that in a cheapo $7 WSO.

              Thus your question "what's a good WSO teaching how to make money online?" is WAY to vague.
              Fascinating that you are not able to name 1 good WSO in any area. Pick 1 and let us know please.

              • Copy writing?
              • Converting?
              • Relationship building?
              • Market analysis?
              • Creating content?
              Loads of proper marketing books cover all these topics.

              Web design - use wordpress, drupal or pay a designer.

              The rest - loads of proper books on amazon and kindle for a fraction of the price.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jarrod
                Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                Fascinating that you are not able to name 1 good WSO in any area. Pick 1 and let us know please.
                Dude, it is not that I am not able to but that I am not going to when I have no idea what level you are at, or what would be of value for you at this stage. Hence the follow-up question. When someone ask me for a recommendation, I have this weird philosophy that I should ask some follow-up questions first so as to make the best recommendation I can. Crazy, I know.

                But since you don't seem to care anything at all about that and just want me to name one that I've bought that I've applied and gotten really good ROI out of, I will:

                Geoff Shaw's Kindling course.

                (I've got a few from WillR too, and the ROI I get on his are usually pretty good.)
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                • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                  Originally Posted by Jarrod View Post

                  Dude, it is not that I am not able to but that I am not going to when I have no idea what level you are at, or what would be of value for you at this stage. Hence the follow-up question. When someone ask me for a recommendation, I have this weird philosophy that I should ask some follow-up questions first so as to make the best recommendation I can. Crazy, I know.

                  But since you don't seem to care anything at all about that and just want me to name one that I've bought that I've applied and gotten really good ROI out of, I will:

                  Geoff Shaw's Kindling course.

                  (I've got a few from WillR too, and the ROI I get on his are usually pretty good.)
                  Interesting WSO. I just had a look at the thread and watched his video. To break it down as I see it.
                  1. He tells you how to write a book - that can be found anywhere in all formats.
                  2. How to promote the book - KDP, reviews etc - again not hard to find
                  3. Lots of success stories - warms the cockles of my heart
                  4. How to format a kindle book - again freely available
                  5. Private facebook group - very popular ploy for lots of courses - much use? I'm not sure.
                  6. The 'formula' to promote your book so it succeeds. Not heard that before

                  Nothing groundbreaking but could be useful. If spending $127 makes someone write a book that sells well jolly good.

                  Is the info worth that much - no. I bet I could find an ebook/real book that covers all this for a fraction of the price.

                  But the bottom line is - people can spend their money however they like so good luck to them.

                  Now having done this I am inspired, so I shall write a kindle book over the next few days and publish it - hooray - I didn't need to spend $127 either. Thanks mate
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jarrod
                    Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                    Interesting WSO. I just had a look at the thread and watched his video. To break it down as I see it.
                    1. He tells you how to write a book - that can be found anywhere in all formats.
                    2. How to promote the book - KDP, reviews etc - again not hard to find
                    3. Lots of success stories - warms the cockles of my heart
                    4. How to format a kindle book - again freely available
                    5. Private facebook group - very popular ploy for lots of courses - much use? I'm not sure.
                    6. The 'formula' to promote your book so it succeeds. Not heard that before

                    Nothing groundbreaking but could be useful. If spending $127 makes someone write a book that sells well jolly good.

                    Is the info worth that much - no. I bet I could find an ebook/real book that covers all this for a fraction of the price.

                    But the bottom line is - people can spend their money however they like so good luck to them.

                    Now having done this I am inspired, so I shall write a kindle book over the next few days and publish it - hooray - I didn't need to spend $127 either. Thanks mate
                    Yep. You got it all figured out there hoss.

                    Glad I could help inspire you though. Good luck with your book!
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                  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                    Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                    Nothing groundbreaking but could be useful.
                    Amazing: in addition to correcting, in so many threads, all the misunderstandings of so many people who've been making such successful livings for so many years, you're now able comprehensively to review a bestselling WSO, and without even risking the potential prejudice that having actually seen the product might inspire. I can't tell you how impressed I am. No, really - literally - I can't tell you. (I'm sure its creator will be proud of you, too).

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                    • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                      Amazing: in addition to correcting, in so many threads, all the misunderstandings of so many people who've been making such successful livings for so many years, you're now able comprehensively to review a bestselling WSO, and without even risking the potential prejudice that having actually seen the product might inspire. I can't tell you how impressed I am. No, really - literally - I can't tell you. (I'm sure its creator will be proud of you, too).

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                      Well Alexa - where to start.

                      Comprehensive review? From watching the sales video? Hardly. My post made that clear It was my impression of what he was selling from watching and listening to his own video.

                      He went through what was on offer from his site in good detail. Being a best seller means nothing. Cookery books sell in their millions but most people still can't cook.

                      The idea that it is impossible to write a best seller without a 'gurus' help is ridiculous. He is basically advocating gaming the amazon system to get the book up the rankings. He dresses it up by saying that 'of course' the book must be good.

                      But from what I saw there was more time and detail spent on how to game amazon and promote than there was on writing a book. And of course lots of 'success' stories.

                      My problem with this and most other WSOs and IMgenerally is this. If the creator has 'cracked the system' and can show us how to make mega bucks - why are they not doing it themselves. Over and over and over.

                      The time and effort to produce courses and membership sites is immense. If they are making so much money, why do it? It is not altruism - these courses cost a fortune. I simply go by the credo 'those who can't - teach'

                      You seem to think that because it is a best seller I have no right to a dissenting opinion. And I may upset the poor creator, who would be 'proud' of me.

                      How utterly pathetic. Sticks and stones etc. First amendment etc. I'll happily keep on giving my opinion both good and bad and if you don't like it? Oh dear, what a pity, never mind!
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                      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                        Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                        My problem with this and most other WSOs and IMgenerally is this. If the creator has 'cracked the system' and can show us how to make mega bucks - why are they not doing it themselves. Over and over and over.

                        The time and effort to produce courses and membership sites is immense. If they are making so much money, why do it? It is not altruism - these courses cost a fortune. I simply go by the credo 'those who can't - teach'
                        What an original argument. I never heard that said before. Kudos.

                        Now, I don't necessarily disagree that some are doing exactly what you say. I can't say that everyone who sells a "how to" course isn't making it.

                        They may be making more money selling the course. I don't know why some have a problem with it as long as the course fulfills the promises stated.

                        I certainly think working multiple income streams is a smart thing.

                        You seem to think that because it is a best seller I have no right to a dissenting opinion. And I may upset the poor creator, who would be 'proud' of me.
                        I think we have your ticket already Fatchap. You are the typical dissenting opinion on many threads. You're a cliche and everything you have posted has been said by many people who have failed at this stuff.

                        How utterly pathetic. Sticks and stones etc. First amendment etc. I'll happily keep on giving my opinion both good and bad and if you don't like it? Oh dear, what a pity, never mind!
                        First amendment doesn't count on a private forum. I do hope you keep posting your opinion just as I hope others do. I just know not to take your posts seriously. Luckily I enjoy a good laugh so keep on keeping on.
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                        • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                          What an original argument. I never heard that said before. Kudos.

                          Now, I don't necessarily disagree that some are doing exactly what you say. I can't say that everyone who sells a "how to" course isn't making it.

                          They may be making more money selling the course. I don't know why some have a problem with it as long as the course fulfills the promises stated.

                          I certainly think working multiple income streams is a smart thing.



                          I think we have your ticket already Fatchap. You are the typical dissenting opinion on many threads. You're a cliche and everything you have posted has been said by many people who have failed at this stuff.



                          First amendment doesn't count on a private forum. I do hope you keep posting your opinion just as I hope others do. I just know not to take your posts seriously. Luckily I enjoy a good laugh so keep on keeping on.
                          You've hit the nail on the head - none of my opinions are new or previously unseen. But I don't claim they are, unlike the vast majority of the WSOs .

                          I never take mine or anyone elses opinion seriously - especially on forums where most established members have an agenda of wanting to sell their stuff

                          The laughs on this forumcome thick and fast from so many of the posts like yours so I think we are both doing a good job Although I am disappointed but not surprised by your seeming lack of attachment to free speech - power to the people!!
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                          • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                            Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                            Although I am disappointed but not surprised by your seeming lack of attachment to free speech - power to the people!!
                            I take it you have a learning disability since you can't seem to grasp context of what is posted. I can see why you hate courses and can only muster up the same cliche arguments.
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                            • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
                              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                              I take it you have a learning disability since you can't seem to grasp context of what is posted. I can see why you hate courses and can only muster up the same cliche arguments.
                              Hate courses? I think he's speaking from reality. I mean, there is a thread just below this one titled, "How do I create a product I know nothing about?"

                              Is that someone who you think would be able to be good at evaluating a "guru's" magic beans course? --- REALLY?
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                              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                                Originally Posted by jamesfreddyc View Post

                                Hate courses? I think he's speaking from reality. I mean, there is a thread just below this one titled, "How do I create a product I know nothing about?"

                                Is that someone who you think would be able to be good at evaluating a "guru's" magic beans course? --- REALLY?
                                James, he is generalizing like most failures and/or trolls do. You can go through my history as well as Alexa's and Suzanne's. We are among the most critical of the get rich fast aka shiny object course in the wso section.

                                Saying those that sell courses are selling them because they can't make money any other way is bs. While it may be true for some let's not put everyone into that category.

                                It's lazy thinking.

                                I heard this stuff since I was into real estate and would purchase courses that helped me in my own business. The same courses people said were a scam helped me tremendously. I actually put the stuff in action while most people who were smacking their lips didn't do a thing.

                                I also did the same thing when I started selling my own software online. I purchased stuff that helped whatever I was working on. That is the same advice I tell people on this forum.

                                While the info may be out there, for free, I value my time and would welcome learning much more quickly if possible. I do that by purchasing from people who have tested and done what I am trying to do.

                                Develop a plan and only purchase a course that helps you implement that plan.

                                The shiny object sellers are just giving the people what they want. Most don't want to work, most want some quick method they can make some quick money. Let's face it, most people are not cut out to run their own business and it can be seen on this forum every single day.
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                            • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                              Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                              I take it you have a learning disability since you can't seem to grasp context of what is posted. I can see why you hate courses and can only muster up the same cliche arguments.
                              Sorry to disappoint you but I have a degree and higher degree. I have no form of 'learning disability' - just a normal bloke

                              I grasp the context well but why do you think I should only follow your line of reasoning? I could equally well say the same about your posts but I don't as my 'educated' brain tries to avoid personalising things - That is not sarcasm, it is irony, which is a different thing
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                              • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                                Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                                Sorry to disappoint you but I have a degree and higher degree. I have no form of 'learning disability' - just a normal bloke

                                I grasp the context well but why do you think I should only follow your line of reasoning? I could equally well say the same about your posts but I don't as my 'educated' brain tries to avoid personalising things - That is not sarcasm, it is irony, which is a different thing
                                Saying this is a private forum and the first amendment doesn't count here is not the same as saying I am not in favor of free speech. I would have expected someone with an advanced degree could understand that type of reasoning yet here we are.
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                                • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                                  Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                                  Saying this is a private forum and the first amendment doesn't count here is not the same as saying I am not in favor of free speech. I would have expected someone with an advanced degree could understand that type of reasoning yet here we are.
                                  I am always amazed at how people can dance on the head of a pin when it suits them. It's a private forum so first amendment doesn't apply. It's a private golf club so no women or anyone non caucasian can join. Are you seriously suggesting that is a good approach?
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                                    Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                                    I am always amazed at how people can dance on the head of a pin when it suits them. It's a private forum so first amendment doesn't apply. It's a private golf club so no women or anyone non caucasian can join. Are you seriously suggesting that is a good approach?
                                    Again with the contextual problem. I didn't suggest anything but merely stated fact. You seem to be playing the obtuse angle as if you don't know there needs to be some rules in place that keeps this forum running smoothly.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                                      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                                      Again with the contextual problem. I didn't suggest anything but merely stated fact. You seem to be playing the obtuse angle as if you don't know there needs to be some rules in place that keeps this forum running smoothly.
                                      It's called debate and arguement, fed by logic and reasoning. It's fun and intellectually stimulating.

                                      The law regarding free speech, race and gender discrimination seem to work well across the USA. Why should private membership sites or golf clubs need different?
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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                                        Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                                        It's called debate and arguement, fed by logic and reasoning. It's fun and intellectually stimulating.

                                        The law regarding free speech, race and gender discrimination seem to work well across the USA. Why should private membership sites or golf clubs need different?
                                        That discussion would be better in the off topic part of the forum.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                                          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

                                          That discussion would be better in the off topic part of the forum.
                                          True. But it's time for lunch so toodle pip!!
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                          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                            Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                            YAlthough I am disappointed but not surprised by your seeming lack of attachment to free speech - power to the people!!
                            You seem to think that a privately owned forum is the same as a democracy. There is no "freedom of speech" here. The owners can and do censor or delete any post that they want to. I've seen quite a few people like you who just did the drive by sniping thing and some of them had far greater wit and entertainment value than you do, but guess what ... in the long run, it didn't work out. They were banned. Sooner or later the powers that be will get tired of the disruptive banter and put an end to it. Be forewarned.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                        Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                        You seem to think that because it is a best seller I have no right to a dissenting opinion.
                        I don't think that. I didn't say that. I didn't even say anything like that. I think you have no right to express a dissenting opinion because you've never seen the product. And therefore (as indeed in so many other threads, as other members are increasingly - and rightly - pointing out) you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

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                        • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                          I don't think that. I didn't say that. I didn't even say anything like that. I think you have no right to express a dissenting opinion because you've never seen the product. And therefore (as indeed in so many other threads, as other members are increasingly - and rightly - pointing out) you simply have no idea what you're talking about.

                          .
                          I watched the mans' sales video He went through the product. He wants me to buy based on that video. i.e. form a good opinion of his product and spend my money. And you think I can't watch the video and form a not so good opinion? Amazing, truly amazing.
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              • Profile picture of the author brutecky
                Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                Fascinating that you are not able to name 1 good WSO in any area.
                Ill take you up on this challlange.

                First of all Ill start with 2 of my old ones, each of which got awesome real reviews after hundreds of sales. (and are no longer available)
                http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...iors-love.html

                http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...k-traffic.html

                Then Ill move over to a WSO I did that gave away a free service (not all WSO's sell something)
                http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...tats-more.html

                Now Ill head over to some other peoples WSO's that are killer.

                http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...i-can-you.html

                http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ct-pro-v1.html


                ... I can keep going if you like.
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              • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                Fascinating that you are not able to name 1 good WSO in any area. Pick 1 and let us know please.
                Fascinating. You're such a contrary little troll. But you forgot numerous categories of WSOs.

                Let's see. I just bought the developer version of this one
                http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-easy-fun.html
                An incredible Wordpress plugin Help Desk that works as advertised.

                I bought Sam England's Dropship University, an excellent course on dropshipping.

                I've bought high quality PLR ebooks, articles, videos and put them all to very good use.

                Numerous pieces of software that save time and money that were sold dirt cheap.

                98% of everything I buy is worth more than I pay for it.

                ... Oh, disclaimer. I'm not a dream chaser. Anyone who falls for headlines like "Make XXX in XXX days without working or in their pajamas" perhaps is too stupid to be buying anything... especially when they do it over and over again .... then scratch their heads and wonder what's wrong.

                Should fake income claims and other fake promises be allowed? No, but they are everywhere ... not just here. On TV, in newspaper classifieds, on radio ... online.

                They are there because there's always people who demand the easy, lazy way to do anything. Take a pill and lose a ton of fat instead of getting off your fat ass and exercising, make money by buying a course that says you'll make money in your pajamas, and on and on and on.
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                • Profile picture of the author brutecky
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  anything. Take a pill and lose a ton of fat instead of getting off your fat ass and exercising, make money by buying a course that says you'll make money in your pajamas, and on and on and on.

                  ..thats funny that you mentioned this. When I was like 17 in high school I had an idea to place an ad in newspapers. "100% guaranteed way to loose weight. This WILL work for ANYONE" .. Only $19.95

                  Then I was going to send them a index card that said "STOP eating so much" .. of course I did not do it, and never would, but I bet a couple hundred people would have bought it just because they want the quick and easy way.
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

                    ..thats funny that you mentioned this. When I was like 17 in high school I had an idea to place an ad in newspapers. "100% guaranteed way to loose weight. This WILL work for ANYONE" .. Only $19.95

                    Then I was going to send them a index card that said "STOP eating so much" .. of course I did not do it, and never would, but I bet a couple hundred people would have bought it just because they want the quick and easy way.
                    They WOULD have bought it, but boy, would they have been mad when they got that postcard. lol.
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                  • Profile picture of the author helpandinfo
                    Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

                    ..thats funny that you mentioned this. When I was like 17 in high school I had an idea to place an ad in newspapers. "100% guaranteed way to loose weight. This WILL work for ANYONE" .. Only $19.95
                    Can't believe t you didn't do it! LOL

                    The point you made in the background there for those that missed it was:

                    There are always people who want to believe a promise that 'This will work for You, Guaranteed!!' - Nearly Everybody who comes online looking to make some money is an easy target for this type of advertising.

                    The only difference between an online business and an offline one is the technology. Basically you have to create something of value to people who have a need - supply it to them - take their money then provide some kind of after-sales support if you ever want to sell them anything else in the future. If what you want to sell has competition (and it's hard to think of a need that somebody hasn't already tried at least to cater for) then you have two choices - do it better than the competition or do it as well but cheaper.

                    Nobody is going to give you a ready made business regardless of what the WSO/Sales Page says. Learn what you need to learn, apply yourself and don't stop working at it until you've built whatever business you want to build.

                    At the end of the day it's down to YOU.
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                    • Profile picture of the author TishTopicsTV
                      Alas, we actually have to spend money to make money. That is the thing. Don't assume, the internet is this great divider and its just way, way, way, way easier out here, and that everything sold is gold. It's not. However, as some responses above indicate, if you can learn one or two new strategies to put into your overall plan, then you did good.

                      Additionally, if you only purchase products directly related to your business, you will likely find that 1-2 good things. It's when you run after everything, with grand promises -- that is the pitfall into pissivity.

                      Finally, finding products that are productive in nature, case studies, and free reports that explain ways to get you from point A to point B can really be a good investment.

                      Think of the WSO's as investments. How would you purchase an investment?
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                • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                  Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                  Fascinating. You're such a contrary little troll. But you forgot numerous categories of WSOs.

                  Let's see. I just bought the developer version of this one
                  http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-easy-fun.html
                  An incredible Wordpress plugin Help Desk that works as advertised.

                  I bought Sam England's Dropship University, an excellent course on dropshipping.

                  I've bought high quality PLR ebooks, articles, videos and put them all to very good use.

                  Numerous pieces of software that save time and money that were sold dirt cheap.

                  98% of everything I buy is worth more than I pay for it.

                  ... Oh, disclaimer. I'm not a dream chaser. Anyone who falls for headlines like "Make XXX in XXX days without working or in their pajamas" perhaps is too stupid to be buying anything... especially when they do it over and over again .... then scratch their heads and wonder what's wrong.

                  Should fake income claims and other fake promises be allowed? No, but they are everywhere ... not just here. On TV, in newspaper classifieds, on radio ... online.

                  They are there because there's always people who demand the easy, lazy way to do anything. Take a pill and lose a ton of fat instead of getting off your fat ass and exercising, make money by buying a course that says you'll make money in your pajamas, and on and on and on.
                  Well Suzanne - a contrary little troll for having an opinion? Really?

                  What a totally pathetic and pureile comment. Are you seriously suggesting dissension is not allowed? We should all be good little worshippers at the feet of the almighty 'IM gurus' ?

                  PLR is by definition rubbish - used countless times by numerous people. Give it away for an email sign up? It's just giving crap in the hope people won't notice and will eventually buy whatever gimmick you choose to promote.

                  The wordpress plug in may well be good. If so how come everyone has a different system set up for support - always. And since when is customer support 'easy and fun' ? That's like saying a colonoscopy is easy and fun! Spot the over excitable sales copy already.

                  Bottom line - my opinion counts as much as yours in our wonderful democracy. It's not trolling so please feel free to disagree without silly comments
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                  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                    Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                    Well Suzanne - a contrary little troll for having an opinion? Really?

                    What a totally pathetic and pureile comment. Are you seriously suggesting dissension is not allowed? We should all be good little worshippers at the feet of the almighty 'IM gurus' ?

                    PLR is by definition rubbish - used countless times by numerous people. Give it away for an email sign up? It's just giving crap in the hope people won't notice and will eventually buy whatever gimmick you choose to promote.

                    The wordpress plug in may well be good. If so how come everyone has a different system set up for support - always. And since when is customer support 'easy and fun' ? That's like saying a colonoscopy is easy and fun! Spot the over excitable sales copy already.

                    Bottom line - my opinion counts as much as yours in our wonderful democracy. It's not trolling so please feel free to disagree without silly comments
                    Actually, no ... it's trolling. I've read your post history and can spot trolling when I see it. You are type that just sarcastically criticizes everything and everyone, adding nothing of value to any conversation. Just a nasty little troll. You have nothing to give other than your stinking opinions. You choose an IM community to grace with these opinions, all the while blasting IM communities. If you are not involved in IM yourself, there's only one reason for you even being here ... to troll.

                    As for my purchases, the only requirement is that I and most of the other customers are happy with what they purchased. It is NOT a requirement that you like what I buy.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                      ...first amendment
                      In the UK?

                      Interesting.
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                      • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                        In the UK?

                        Interesting.
                        No in America where the warrior forun is based and most of the members. It is governed by US law. Clear?
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                        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                          Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                          No in America where the warrior forun is based and most of the members. It is governed by US law. Clear?
                          To a degree, yes, but freedom of speech is not guaranteed in private forums. It's also governed by the rules and TOS and just general foibles of the owners. They do not have to allow all speech. There's a very good example of a thread that should never have been deleted but was and I can't really say any more about it because we're not allowed to speak about it. So see, there really isn't freedom of speech in private forums.
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                          • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                            Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                            To a degree, yes, but freedom of speech is not guaranteed in private forums. It's also governed by the rules and TOS and just general foibles of the owners. They do not have to allow all speech. There's a very good example of a thread that should never have been deleted but was and I can't really say any more about it because we're not allowed to speak about it. So see, there really isn't freedom of speech in private forums.
                            Which is a shame.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Alfred Shelver
                              Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                              Which is a shame.
                              Trolls are annoying though its a genius way of soliciting a response, you should do WSO on "Every Niche needs a naysayer, popular opinion the new flooded market"

                              And you really seem to have some intelligence, and the ability to help others, yet for some reason adding no value and trying do belittle those that do.

                              Darn I have been trolled and responded


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                        • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                          The WF is no longer American owned.

                          I don't know where the servers are now as it was moved or at least massively upgraded a couple months ago.

                          Your right to free speech in the US does not supersede my right to kick you off my property if I don't like what you say.
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                    • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                      Actually, no ... it's trolling. I've read your post history and can spot trolling when I see it. You are type that just sarcastically criticizes everything and everyone, adding nothing of value to any conversation. Just a nasty little troll. You have nothing to give other than your stinking opinions. You choose an IM community to grace with these opinions, all the while blasting IM communities. If you are not involved in IM yourself, there's only one reason for you even being here ... to troll.

                      As for my purchases, the only requirement is that I and most of the other customers are happy with what they purchased. It is NOT a requirement that you like what I buy.
                      I am very sarcastic - spot on. Want to know why? Because I make my living online from affiliate sites and SEO. I work hard, I make a living. Good for me. Have I cracked the code? Of course not!

                      I don't make any money from selling courses on how to make money, how to build a list or anything else. I never will. The 'secret' is no different to an offline business. Sit down, think, plan, be critical, evaluate, understand what you don't know, start, work hard, keep going, evaluate.

                      And I love coming on forums to read the 'latest' from the gurus. And then commenting. If it is worthy of a positive comment I'm more than happy to give one.

                      If you think that is trolling, that is truly sad. And doesn't show you in a great light. I presume as a long time member you make a good living and are confident of the whole IM area. So why the thin skin?
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                      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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                        Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                        I am very sarcastic - spot on. Want to know why? Because I make my living online from affiliate sites and SEO. I work hard, I make a living. Good for me. Have I cracked the code? Of course not!

                        I don't make any money from selling courses on how to make money, how to build a list or anything else. I never will. The 'secret' is no different to an offline business. Sit down, think, plan, be critical, evaluate, understand what you don't know, start, work hard, keep going, evaluate.

                        And I love coming on forums to read the 'latest' from the gurus. And then commenting. If it is worthy of a positive comment I'm more than happy to give one.

                        If you think that is trolling, that is truly sad. And doesn't show you in a great light. I presume as a long time member you make a good living and are confident of the whole IM area. So why the thin skin?
                        OK .. I get ya. You shill other people's products, whether you've used them or not and probably whether or not they're any good if the payout is high enough and you game Google. Clap Clap Clap. That puts you so much above the rest of us here. Sorry, if only I'd known that you are on such higher ground than us ....

                        I am far from your typical IMer. I do not buy or sell products with income or performance or traffic promises. That being said, I don't like trolls. There are far better ways to express an opinion without coming across as a troll. I've expressed my opinions on fake promises many times on this forum, without resorting to the useless drive by sarcasm routine.
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                        • Profile picture of the author fatchap
                          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

                          OK .. I get ya. You shill other people's products, whether you've used them or not and probably whether or not they're any good if the payout is high enough and you game Google. Clap Clap Clap. That puts you so much above the rest of us here. Sorry, if only I'd known that you are on such higher ground than us ....

                          I am far from your typical IMer. I do not buy or sell products with income or performance or traffic promises. That being said, I don't like trolls. There are far better ways to express an opinion without coming across as a troll. I've expressed my opinions on fake promises many times on this forum, without resorting to the useless drive by sarcasm routine.
                          They say that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit - It hurts my brain to try and elevate it but I'll try

                          Thinking back over the IM products I have bought (not all WSOs also jvzoo and the occasional clickbank) I am struggling to think of any that were any good. They all promised much but on closer examination were not much use. Hence my lack of glee and joy.

                          I am of course surprised you didn't spot my halo as from my elevated position I 'game' google by making quality original videos, images and social interaction - delivering quality content of use to people - disgraceful.

                          I should instead create thousands of bcklinks with GSA, SEnuke etc like a 'proper' IMer.

                          But I am happy and content in myself as I hope you are. BTW nice cigar but those things are not good for your health - no sarcasm, just a bit of medical fact.
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                      • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
                        Originally Posted by fatchap View Post

                        I am very sarcastic - spot on. Want to know why? Because I make my living online from affiliate sites and SEO. I work hard, I make a living. Good for me. Have I cracked the code? Of course not!

                        I don't make any money from selling courses on how to make money, how to build a list or anything else. I never will. The 'secret' is no different to an offline business. Sit down, think, plan, be critical, evaluate, understand what you don't know, start, work hard, keep going, evaluate.
                        This, of course, is the reason for your cynicism (of which I sympathize and share with you). This "IM Community" I see referenced is really nothing more than the exact opposite of what you propose above! LOL! It's almost entirely full of shiny-object syndrome patients willing to shell out a few bucks for "Guaranteed method to generate sales" (just reading that from the current banner ad. HEH!).

                        I wouldn't necessarily label you a troll, even if there is a history of sarcasm (I didn't look at anyone's post history. Sorry, I'm just not that interested to get so involved to support any of my comments). I think you are simply bringing reality to an unreal place.
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              Keep in mind that what may have worked 6 months ago may not work now. Then go from there.

              Then get started...

              Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardworker2013
    I 100% agree with you, most of the WSO's released today are really crap or are re-hashed
    methods from long time ago. It seems quality is being compromised for quantity
    nowadays!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Awesome Topic, in fact just recently I contacted a WSO seller about a product he was "Hawking" on a WSO thread, (I did not post in the WSO thread) but contacted him by PM, Now the product he was offering was actually to create another product that the buyer could sell as a WSO, I was curious about the idea of creating an info product, (Ebook) and how successful it might be? But more than that I wanted to know if he would consider creating an electronic package for a product that already existed.

    I was actually interested in what he was selling but I wanted some information, reviews are a dime a dozen, so to speak. You can actually buy them on Ebay...

    So I needed some additional information about his product but you know what happened, (Nothing)

    The guy never even bothered to reply, now that might be something of interest, considering the cost of his product to create a product for his customers was more than $300.00

    His silence saved me money, but more importantly I doubt he even had one sale, which is really interesting because he had a lot of "reviews" but not one single working "example" of what he produced.

    I find a lot of WSO sales are actually junk, because they are not actually prepared to service the sale.

    That is something that is a big problem...
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    Oh here we go .. another person whining that they are not making money because all WSO's are crap , scams, garbage. Accept some personal responsibility already. If your not making money online its your fault. Period!
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  • Profile picture of the author wmwm300
    i agree with that , as i spent a lot of money as well in these wso and the benefit is too low

    most of creator wso didnt till u about the all the secrets of done the aim , they give u some information and some of this inflammations is repeated as i can see in some WSOs .

    also , i bought yesterday a WSO and the admin here was banned the creator - i don't know why - so i couldnt contact him for some details.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Lumbergh
    so you shouldve learned how to make money by now. Create your own WSO!
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  • Profile picture of the author Patbinc
    Welcome to the club. You have just been hit by what I like to call the "Sales Copy Dreams". Forget the WSOs, you are buying the dreams in the WSOs sales copies.

    You have just learnt a very important and crucial lesson - if you choose to use it. Internet Marketing is just like any other business...it requires the use of common sense. If its too good to be true...

    Forget the sleezy sales copies promising "x" dollars within "y" minutes.

    You have just learnt that there is no button to press to earn a living...at least not in this lifetime. So stop with the WSOs, decide on the kind of business model you are going to adopt, focus on that and build a solid business around it - and a solid business is a business with a product to sale and buyers to buy.
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    I have only bought a few Warrior Special Offers. I bought them based on my needs, not on some sort of dream. And to date have only been disappointed once

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  • Profile picture of the author njs10
    I was told by my tutor at University that a good marketeer's main skill is "polishing a turd, or at least rolling it in glitter".

    You can't really argue with that.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    There no easy ways, no secrets, no short cuts. If you don't attach this business like you wold any other business, you are going to fail.

    Create a website or blog, post good content that is useful to people, and monetize it somehow. Either with ads, or sell a product or service. Then promote it, with ads or authority site backlinks or something.

    Now send me $7 for my WSO post on how it is done the simple way.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisWJohnson
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    I saw some people are rewriting the PLRs and then sell here in warriorforum as WSO's which is really low quality products. But also there are lots of WSO's that worth hundreds of dollars and can't find any where else.
    Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author trustedmarketer
    We have all asked similar questions but it's down to some solid research. See what others are saying on Google before jumping in.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    Fatchap,

    I ask this in all sincerity.

    I looked at some of your past posts and contrary to what some have implied, you do have posts where you have offered helpful answers. Thanks. We need more people willing to help out where they can.

    But now to my question. You say that those that can't do something teach instead of doing it themselves.

    I wonder if what you really mean is that those who do it for $$ are the ones that don't know what they are talking about. Because with the advice you have given, you are a teacher! You are answering people's (student's) questions in areas that you have experience. You are helping them, in a small way, to make their puzzle all fit together.

    Now the only difference, it seems, between that kind of teaching and the kind of teaching where someone may "bottle up" a bunch of those little teaching moments to help someone overcome a problem, is that one teacher does it for free and one does it for pay.

    What is the difference?

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author Oliver Hayes
    Instead of thinking "How do I make money online"?

    You should be thinking "How do I SELL a PRODUCT or SERVICE online?"
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  • Profile picture of the author extrememan
    I would be very careful in what you invest in you're education. Make sure you look over the content carefully in the WSO and read all the reviews. I have to disagree with you when you said that all the WSO's are crap and a scam. There's a lot of quality WSO's I've purchased in the past.
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  • What is crap and scam to you is gold and a fortune to someone else. Statistically the best WSO has more then 90% of people make $0 or close to it, so is that WSO crap? No it's fantastic event that 90% failed! Live with it we are in a brainwashed entitled world and most don't get off the Q@#$% and do nothing so if you $7 you don't get $700000 but some do (few). That is the truth and it's hard for the 99% they hate to read the truth and demand lies and they get lies and hype. Even that they say I don't want hype they demand it. That's it. Deal with it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jarrod
    I find it somewhat amusing that many who bash WSO's (or other online products) say "It's not like I couldn't find that info elsewhere for free".

    Yes. That is true. But if you'd rather spend hours upon hours scouring google, youtube, forums, etc. rather than spend a few bucks to get the information delivered to you all in one place, you simply do not value your time highly enough.

    Having a mindset where your time is worth that little to you is a good way to stay broke.
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  • Profile picture of the author sujit1717
    You will not believe, I was going to write a blog post on it. Most of the WSO are srsly crap. 10 pages filled with horseshit. Just tutorials on how to post on reddit. How to post on fb..blah blah blah.
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