WTF is going on with WSO?

ToTz

11 years ago

seems the case of serial refunders!

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wmc1987 11 years ago

Originally Posted by ToTz

seems the case of serial refunders!

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- WillR 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by wmc1987
  
  intelligent input thanks
  
  Well that's basically all it is. It's obviously people just trying to get your product for free. These scammers are rife in this industry.
  
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  ToTz 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by WillR
  
  Well that's basically all it is. It's obviously people just trying to get your product for free. These scammers are rife in this industry.
  
  exactly i said this only
  
  btw, willR heard lots about you, nice to see u mate
  
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- M3C 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by wmc1987
  
  intelligent input thanks
  
  It was intelligent input - he's most likely on the money.
  
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Alaister

11 years ago

Originally Posted by wmc1987

So one of my old wso made 2 sales today and twice by two different people they disputed the payment straight away. Why is this?

hmm that is strange. What's the link to your WSO?

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wmc1987

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alaister

hmm that is strange. What's the link to your WSO?

Hey Alaister here the link http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...le-online.html

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Alaister

11 years ago

Originally Posted by wmc1987

Hey Alaister here the link http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...le-online.html

I can see you're using Warrior Plus. You might want to contact their support to see what is going on.

Have you considered using Warrior Payments?
http://www.warriorpayments.com

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wmc1987

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alaister

I can see you're using Warrior Plus. You might want to contact their support to see what is going on.

Have you considered using Warrior Payments?
http://www.warriorpayments.com

I will get onto them now.

I will definitely use warrior payment for all future WSO's.

Thanks for your help.

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Alaister 11 years ago

Originally Posted by wmc1987

I will get onto them now.

I will definitely use warrior payment for all future WSO's.

Thanks for your help.

Yeh they should be able to investigate to see if there is any foul play going on. It could be just a coincidence as many people are suggesting.

Let me know if you need any help with Warrior Payment. Feel free to PM me.
I'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback.
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zapseo 11 years ago

Originally Posted by wmc1987

I will get onto them now.

I will definitely use warrior payment for all future WSO's.

Thanks for your help.

As pointed out, this is not a WarriorPlus specific problem, and no payment platform is immune...

...this is why most of them have BIG warnings not to approve affiliates you don't know.

(Though most vendors do...but they ALSO do a bit of due diligence -- if they are on the WF -- they look at their profile, posts, length of time on the forum, warroom membership, usernotes, etc. If not, I know WarriorPlus has links available -- if the applying affiliate uses them...for, I think, facebook and linkedIn ... so you can do further research. Finally, if you re part of any jv groups or small communities...you can ask.)

...there are scammers of all kinds...including affiliates who have websites where they give, as bonuses...the premium products of other vendors, without permission...you probably don't want THOSE kinds of affiliates, either.

...not to mention those who sell your products under false pretenses (that is, they WAY outsize any claim of results you may have made. Although results claims is a tricky area of its own -- far too big to get covered on this thread and keep it on topic.!)

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WillR 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alaister

Have you considered using Warrior Payments?
http://www.warriorpayments.com

Also checkout JVZoo.com.

It's what most vendors are using these days.
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Karen Blundell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alaister

I can see you're using Warrior Plus. You might want to contact their support to see what is going on.

Have you considered using Warrior Payments?
http://www.warriorpayments.com

It doesn't matter what payment platform the OP uses - what is important to the OP is how to deal with serial refunders - you seem to be suggesting that WarriorPlus are somehow to blame for what happened to this guy's WSO - when most of us with experience see it for what it really is - not a payment platform fault at all but someone who is trying to scam the seller.

WOW!

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George Wright

11 years ago

There are some posters in this thread that seem to be mildly irritated at Admin for bringing up Warrior Payments.

This is not the Warrior+ support forum. Sooo....

I think the point was. Alaister said he would look into it. He did and found Warrior+ was the payment processor. He came back and give further input where he made a true statement and asked a legitimate question, "I see you are using Warrior+. You might want to contact their support to see what is going on" (We can't help you with that-implied) "Have you considered using Warrior Payments?" (Implied- And we will be glad to help out.)

Of course as long as posts like this are allowed we are all free to help out all we want. And I really appreciate the helpful Warrior spirit. I would have suggested some things that others already did. I didn't want to repeat.

I wouldn't expect the management here to do anything else but say, "If you want our help, use our product." Heck, another poster even suggested JVzoo. LOL

Go to the Adobe forum and ask a support question about Gimp and see if they don't either ignore you, delete your post or find a way to recommend PhotoShop.

Originally Posted by Alaister

hmm that is strange. What's the link to your WSO?

Originally Posted by Alaister

I can see you're using Warrior Plus. You might want to contact their support to see what is going on.

Have you considered using Warrior Payments?
http://www.warriorpayments.com

QUOTE=Karen Blundell It doesn't matter what payment platform the OP uses - what is important to the OP is how to deal with serial refunders - you seem to be suggesting that WarriorPlus are somehow to blame for what happened to this guy's WSO - when most of us with experience see it for what it really is - not a payment platform fault at all but someone who is trying to scam the seller.

WOW!

I didn't take it that way at all Karen. To me he's just saying, "Check with your Payment Processor and see if they can help you with this, just as I would help you if you used Warrior Payments." I think that's fair.

George Wright

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Karen Blundell

11 years ago

Originally Posted by George Wright

There are some posters in this thread that seem to be mildly irritated at Admin for bringing up Warrior Payments.

This is not the Warrior+ support forum. Sooo....

I think the point was. Alaister said he would look into it. He did and found Warrior+ was the payment processor. He came back and give further input where he made a true statement and asked a legitimate question, "I see you are using Warrior+. You might want to contact their support to see what is going on" (We can't help you with that-implied) "Have you considered using Warrior Payments?" (Implied- And we will be glad to help out.)

Of course as long as posts like this are allowed we are all free to help out all we want. And I really appreciate the helpful Warrior spirit. I would have suggested some things that others already did. I didn't want to repeat.

I wouldn't expect the management here to do anything else but say, "If you want our help, use our product." Heck, another poster even suggested JVzoo. LOL

Go to the Adobe forum and ask a support question about Gimp and see if they don't either ignore you, delete your post or find a way to recommend PhotoShop.

I didn't take it that way at all Karen. To me he's just saying, "Check with your Payment Processor and see if they can help you with this, just as I would help you if you used Warrior Payments." I think that's fair.

George Wright

well, perhaps - I am a bit sensitive about the payment platform issue, I'll admit that - there are always different ways of looking at things so thanks for reminding me

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XponentSYS

11 years ago

Odd.

Flukes do happen. Not an "intelligent" answer per se but that's what I'd chalk it up to.

Either that or it's your signature.

Sometimes, especially if I create a post that gets popular, I'll get a flurry of sales. Also, WSOs get indexed so perhaps that?

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Najat Engineer

11 years ago

They want your product for free, shame on them!

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kindsvater 11 years ago

Did they buy through an affiliate?

Mike Lantz just banned an affiliate this morning to investigate apparent fraudulent transactions. That is, purchases with stolen bank or PayPal accounts.

What happens is the affiliate gets the stolen info, "refers" a sale so they get paid a commission, and then the victim submits an unauthorized transaction request in PayPal.

To compound problems for sellers the transaction cannot be reversed on your end through WarriorPlus. (Due to the way PayPal works.) You eat the entire loss and the scammer affiliate can get paid.

What to do:

1. If there is a referring affiliate, possibly the same for both sales, you need to immediately ban the affiliate.

2. Submit a report to the WarriorPlus help desk.

3. If there is an affiliate and apparent fraud, in PayPal submit a dispute against the affiliate payment and note the id of the original dispute and that this is an affiliate arrangement where someone is trying to rip you off. Ask that PayPal terminate the affiliate's account. Filing a dispute against the affiliate is really sneaky and in my experience works great against these scammers.

This is a problem in any selling platform, WarriorPlus, Warrior Payments, or others.

I have been on WarriorPlus long enough, and have so many products affiliate requests are made for, I can spot trends and thus many of the bots and scammers.

Warrior Payments is new, but I already have a long list of questionable affiliate requests. Unfortunately, you can't just use time on the forum as a criteria because accounts can be quickly created and then aged. The lack of posts is often a bigger tip-off.

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ChrisWJohnson Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Najat Engineer

They want your product for free, shame on them!

Also People send you PMs after your WSO launched saying I want to promote your product to for example 5700 subscribers in my list. Firstly you should send me a copy of your product to review that. After you send the copy. You will never hear from them. They actually cheat people.
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HelpingYouBeAnExpert 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Najat Engineer

They want your product for free, shame on them!

But when it's free no one takes action (Probably don't even read it). It's better to charge.
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digitalnews

11 years ago

Unfortunately serial refunders exist a lot in this industry, they always want stuff for free.

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iAmNameLess 11 years ago

Originally Posted by digitalnews

Unfortunately serial refunders exist a lot in this industry, they always want stuff for free.

Not just that but they like to take your stuff and repost it on other forums.
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Thesecret2marketing

11 years ago

if there is a foul play going on as a result of some fraudulent transactions, then they should be investigated and the victims be brought to justice.

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George Wright

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Thesecret2marketing

if there is a foul play going on as a result of some fraudulent transactions, then they should be investigated and the victims be brought to justice.

Along the lines with no good deed goes unpunished.

Thanks for the smile you put on my face. I had a headache til now.

George Wright

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Chris30K

11 years ago

Originally Posted by wmc1987

So one of my old wso made 2 sales today and twice by two different people they disputed the payment straight away. Why is this?

Either they felt the product was low quality or they want something for nothing.

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isaacsmithjones

11 years ago

Well to be honest, you haven't lost money, because those people never intended to pay in the first place. However, this kind of rubbish is the stuff that makes your paypal account look bad, and paypal may eventually penalise you for it.

It aint nice. But this stuff happens. Paypal overly favour customers and blindly believe what they say.

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Jan Brzeski

11 years ago

My wild guess is that these are scumbags from black-hat sites that buy your product, instantly refund and then share on their pathetic forums.

Could also be bad luck that you got 2 freebie seekers in a row.

Either way... it happens. Deal with it. Sorry

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Chris30K

11 years ago

One thing about freebie seekers - is that they are obsessed with getting something for nothing. I used to be like this - let me tell you - it usually leads to a dead end. I didn't start making money until I learned the art of giving. Instead of feeling bad for your pockets, you should feel bad for these people - unless they change their habits, they will never achieve anything noteworthy - and if they do, they'll be miserable & lonely.

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sadecent

11 years ago

JVZoo is the best option , used many times and they are top notch

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pitocus

11 years ago

This just happened to me. An order followed by an instant paypal claim.
I have followed the suggested steps:
1) Ban affiliate from promoting my product
2) Ticket in warriorplus to investigate affiliate
3) Dispute in Paypal to affiliate Payment

I'm sorry I had to spend some unplanned time this morning on this, but I'm happy I now know about this type of scam so I'm more careful with affiliate selection.

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TotalWebsiteControl

11 years ago

Sorry you had to go through that. But i'm used to serial refunders. Been in the IM business to long.

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HelpingYouBeAnExpert

11 years ago

Originally Posted by wmc1987

So one of my old wso made 2 sales today and twice by two different people they disputed the payment straight away. Why is this?

Get use to this, people are brainwashed that they are entitled to get everything for free.

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misshang

11 years ago

Sorry to hear that, and that is why I prefer to deal with domains or ritual real estates rentals. For the things I do, you only need one customer.

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