If you still need a lot of help, please think about your signature links

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Hello all,

Just reading around the various forums today (yeah I know, should be working but this is my lunch break) and this is something I have noticed a few times, not just today and so I thought I would bring it up.

If you still need a lot of help with any kind of IM and all that is involved, great, no problem with that at all BUT if you have a signature link that says something along the lines of "Greatest Ever SEO Tactics" (that is fictitious by the way) and you are here on the main forum asking questions about SEO, well it doesn't make you look very good..

Thousands of people read these forums, some without ever posting and if I think it is odd to see a forum member posting for help on a subject that they purport to be an expert of some kind on via their forum signature link, don't you think others will too?

Why not leave putting up a signature link here until you have something, if you like, "real" to put there, just a thought..

Sue
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  • Profile picture of the author willbucks
    That made me smile. I guess that would be in one of your "pet peaves" sections.
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    • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
      Originally Posted by willbucks View Post

      That made me smile. I guess that would be in one of your "pet peaves" sections.
      LOL Yep, mind you a really small, fairly cute n fluffy pet peave, I have more serious pet peaves than that, far less fluffy but they have already been mentioned like a gazzilion times that I know of.

      Hey, made me think, sorry if this one has been brought up before..

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  • Profile picture of the author Don Schenk
    Yep, I've seen posts in which the OP wants to know how to make money online because his/her website isn't bringing in money, but the site in their signature is all about how to make a fortune online.

    AAAAAARRRrrrrgggggghhhhh!

    :-Don
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    • Profile picture of the author Slyknight
      Originally Posted by Don Schenk View Post

      Yep, I've seen posts in which the OP wants to know how to make money online because his/her website isn't bringing in money, but the site in their signature is all about how to make a fortune online.

      AAAAAARRRrrrrgggggghhhhh!

      :-Don

      Probably just an affiliate link for one of these MLM get rich quick things.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael_burke
    Originally Posted by SusanneUK View Post

    Hello all,

    Just reading around the various forums today (yeah I know, should be working but this is my lunch break) and this is something I have noticed a few times, not just today and so I thought I would bring it up.

    If you still need a lot of help with any kind of IM and all that is involved, great, no problem with that at all BUT if you have a signature link that says something along the lines of "Greatest Ever SEO Tactics" (that is fictitious by the way) and you are here on the main forum asking questions about SEO, well it doesn't make you look very good..

    Thousands of people read these forums, some without ever posting and if I think it is odd to see a forum member posting for help on a subject that they purport to be an expert of some kind on via their forum signature link, don't you think others will too?

    Why not leave putting up a signature link here until you have something, if you like, "real" to put there, just a thought..

    Sue
    hi
    I just joined so I am really "green" here
    i added my blog link as my sig to create more traffic
    as you said, most wont wait till they have sometime of value to add
    but i hope i dont fall into that catagory 80)
    visit my blog and see what you think
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    • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
      Originally Posted by Michael_burke View Post

      hi
      I just joined so I am really "green" here
      i added my blog link as my sig to create more traffic
      as you said, most wont wait till they have sometime of value to add
      but i hope i dont fall into that catagory 80)
      visit my blog and see what you think
      Hard to say really as that was your first post. I was more specifically talking about people posting here actually asking for help on a particular subject and low and behold they are some kind of expert on the subject they need help on, according to their signature as Don Schenk also pointed out in his response.

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      • Profile picture of the author Michael_burke
        Originally Posted by SusanneUK View Post

        Hard to say really as that was your first post. I was more specifically talking about people posting here actually asking for help on a particular subject and low and behold they are some kind of expert on the subject they need help on, according to their signature as Don Schenk also pointed out in his response.

        Sue
        hi sue
        thanks for the reply
        what i meant was, i've really just started doing the blog thing since the new year and although it is a blog on IM and related topics and i was asking, in your opinion, do i cover my subject or am i missing something...
        I'm hope I'm not one off those "selling in the sig but asking for help" people.
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        • Profile picture of the author gianne2705
          About the signature links,it's a free and easy way of building links in dofollow forums.This one is used by many marketers but be sure to put keywords related to your site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
          Originally Posted by Michael_burke View Post

          hi sue
          thanks for the reply
          what i meant was, i've really just started doing the blog thing since the new year and although it is a blog on IM and related topics and i was asking, in your opinion, do i cover my subject or am i missing something...
          I'm hope I'm not one off those "selling in the sig but asking for help" people.
          Michael

          Still hard to say because this is just your second post and so far you have not asked for help in anything because both of your posts have been in this thread.



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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi,

      I guess that would be in one of your "pet peaves" sections.
      For me personally, it says a lot of things and is not a pet peeve, but a huge warning sign. I'm all for people having confidence and 'having a go' at things but I'm also aware that it's very easy to cross the line between 'having a go' and pretending to be someone/something that you are not, especially if you choose not to see that line and afterwards say, 'Ooops, look what I did.'

      It's a very similar line to the one between 'a little hype' and 'outright lies'. You know, the one where someone who regularly crosses it acts surprised that it's even there when they get caught out.

      In business, finding out which side of that line someone stands on by default (due to their nature, belief system and motivations), is one of the most important factors to me because people without integrity can single-handedly take you down with them, if you give them the slightest chance.

      I don't like to take those chances.

      A sig file/website might only be a small cog in the big scheme of things, but as with everything, the little details are the key to discovering the big, important things.

      On the forum, I'm much more likely to help someone out who demonstrates integrity, than someone who does not. Historically, I have found the latter to be a waste of my time, in business and everywhere else.
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      • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi,

        For me personally, it says a lot of things and is not a pet peeve, but a huge warning sign. I'm all for people having confidence and 'having a go' at things but I'm also aware that it's very easy to cross the line between 'having a go' and pretending to be someone/something that you are not, especially if you choose not to see that line and afterwards say, 'Ooops, look what I did.'

        In business, finding out which side of that line someone stands on by default (due to their nature, belief system and motivations), is one of the most important factors to me because people without integrity can single-handedly take you down with them, if you give them the slightest chance.

        I don't like to take those chances.

        A sig file/website might only be a small cog in the big scheme of things, but as with everything, the little details are the key to discovering the big, important things.

        On the forum, I'm much more likely to help someone out who demonstrates integrity, than someone who does not. Historically, I have found the latter to be a waste of my time, in business and everywhere else.
        Extremely good points Roger, thanks for adding them.

        I certainly agree that in my case, a signature link that is basically a load of bull is going to affect how I see that person as a forum member and a business person..

        Reputation is not always everything but it IS a big thing, reputation building starts with the little things

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  • Profile picture of the author Igor Kheifets
    Wow,

    very nice point, Sue.

    People are just following "fake it till you make it"
    phylosophy and I think we should respect that.

    But great advice nevertheless.

    Igor
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by igorhelpsyousucceed View Post

      Wow,

      very nice point, Sue.

      People are just following "fake it till you make it"
      phylosophy and I think we should respect that.

      But great advice nevertheless.

      Igor
      Igor, why do you think we should respect people "faking it 'til they make it?" Just curious...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron.
    S,

    I was thinking of posting something similar yesturday. I notice lots of folks with MMO products for sale in their sigs., but they're asking basic questions like "How do I set up a autoresponder?"


    Good post. Thanks



    Originally Posted by SusanneUK View Post

    Hello all,

    Just reading around the various forums today (yeah I know, should be working but this is my lunch break) and this is something I have noticed a few times, not just today and so I thought I would bring it up.

    If you still need a lot of help with any kind of IM and all that is involved, great, no problem with that at all BUT if you have a signature link that says something along the lines of "Greatest Ever SEO Tactics" (that is fictitious by the way) and you are here on the main forum asking questions about SEO, well it doesn't make you look very good..

    Thousands of people read these forums, some without ever posting and if I think it is odd to see a forum member posting for help on a subject that they purport to be an expert of some kind on via their forum signature link, don't you think others will too?

    Why not leave putting up a signature link here until you have something, if you like, "real" to put there, just a thought..

    Sue
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    This all comes down to awareness and emotional intelligence. Understanding how people perceive you and how certain interactions impact that perception is one of those traits any good entrepreneur should have.

    That said, playing "Mr. Perfect" can also have a negative impact as nobody likes to be constantly reminded of their shortcomings. Sometimes playing weakness and ignorance is a good way to establish empathy with the people you interact with.

    Tyrus
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    • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
      Why thank you Jay - Sue

      Originally Posted by Tyrus Antas View Post

      This all comes down to awareness and emotional intelligence. Understanding how people perceive you and how certain interactions impact that perception is one of those traits any good entrepreneur should have.

      That said, playing "Mr. Perfect" can also have a negative impact as nobody likes to be constantly reminded of their shortcomings. Sometimes playing weakness and ignorance is a good way to establish empathy with the people you interact with.

      Tyrus
      Certainly agree with your first paragraph Tyrus, hopefully new people to online businesses will learn that here at the WF if they don't already realize it.

      As for your second paragraph, I would love it if you have the time, perhaps you could elborate on your thinking here?

      Thanks for the input.

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      • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
        Originally Posted by SusanneUK View Post

        As for your second paragraph, I would love it if you have the time, perhaps you could elborate on your thinking here?
        People like other people with whom they share things in common. Affinity is extremely important in the realms of human interaction.

        There's a reason why good students aren't particularly popular at school. Ever wondered why?

        Obviously if you are selling information you will still need to play the authority part but a little bit of downplaying your feats and admitting to mistakes and failures creates that lasting connection... You just need to do it in a way that doesn't destroy the authority part.

        Tyrus
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        • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
          Originally Posted by Tyrus Antas View Post

          People like other people with whom they share things in common. Affinity is extremely important in the realms of human interaction.

          There's a reason why good students aren't particularly popular at school. Ever wondered why?

          Obviously if you are selling information you will still need to play the authority part but a little bit of downplaying your feats and admitting to mistakes and failures creates that lasting connection... You just need to do it in a way that doesn't destroy the authority part.

          Tyrus
          Ah I see Tyrus and yes I agree with that too, never be too big to admit a mistake or admit you made an error. Then you can go on to (hopefully) learn from it and tell others how to possibly avoid the same pitfall or mistake.. people don't mind an "honest mistake" if they see you want to learn from it and put it right - well in most cases they don't.

          Cheers again
          Sue

          PS typing this with one eye shut, just applied some ointment to my eye, it's really hard to read, type and spellcheck with one eye shut LOL, so excuse any errors.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    BRAVO....

    This topic comes up here from time to time, usually within a thread about something else.. and very few get to see/hear it

    It's good to see a member get it out in a thread of it's own..

    This way, more people should read it and take it in..

    I salute you SuzanneUK!!..



    Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author slvrsrfr
    Originally Posted by SusanneUK View Post


    If you still need a lot of help with any kind of IM and all that is involved, great, no problem with that at all BUT if you have a signature link that says something along the lines of "Greatest Ever SEO Tactics" (that is fictitious by the way) and you are here on the main forum asking questions about SEO, well it doesn't make you look very good..
    that's great sue. and as a relatively new comer at this i agree. the sig could be used for altruistic purposes too. one of my links is of this sort.

    and i've added an inspirational quote and a haiku i wrote just to make it interesting. it doesn't only have to be about making money links. maybe a little joke in there would be a nice surprise.

    i read all the sigs and very few of them are either unique/altruistic or funny.

    good timing with this post.

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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by SusanneUK View Post

    Why not leave putting up a signature link here until you have something, if you like, "real" to put there, just a thought..
    What fantastic advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
      Thanks Jason and CDarklock

      Thought I ought to clarify (Jason's post above made me think of this)...

      This thread is in no way aimed at those people on the forum, new or otherwise who are an expert in their own field (they might just be new to the WF and perhaps they are doctors, dentists, florists, plumbers, etc) who then place a link to something of theirs regarding their field of expertise in their signature file, as long as you are following forum signature link rules and guidelines then that's totally spiffing and I and I doubt any other WF member would or has a problem with that.

      It really is aimed at some posters who need help with aspects of IM (which is what this forum is about) but who also then have siggy links leading to "whatever" which appears like they are some kind of expert in the very topic they are asking for help on.

      Thanks for all the input guys
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Tunnah
        Hi Sue,
        Good post. I think a lot of people bang up a sig file straight away to make money quickly (even if the product/service is sub par). What they need to realise is that it doesn't do you any good as you say if you start asking questions on the subject matter you profess to know and/or you sell rubbish!

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        • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
          Originally Posted by Onslaught View Post

          This is a good post and it comes off as non combative. Lucky
          I didn't write it
          Well thanks and combative is not normally my style, although I have been known to have my moments!

          It was important that the whole "newbie" thing is made clear. There are
          people new to marketing and there are people skilled but new
          to the forum.
          Yes from a few answers in this thread it became clear to me I might have made a mistake in my original post by not clarifying that point (touching there on what Tyrus was I think talking about, showing that none of us is perfect, certainly not me).

          I notice how many people with 1000+ posts who don't know their arse
          from a bowl of cereal.
          ROFL love that phrasing

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          Originally Posted by Onslaught View Post


          I notice how many people with 1000+ posts who don't know their arse
          from a bowl of cereal.
          man, i don't think i'm going to have my cheerios tomorrow morning. all i can see is a bowl full of arse. and that's not appetizing.

          very funny though
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          Originally Posted by Onslaught View Post

          I notice how many people with 1000+ posts who don't know their arse from a bowl of cereal.
          I'll bet most of them skip breakfast.
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Aloha Sue

    Excellent post, I've made this observation for a while now myself.

    As Internet Marketers credibility and reputation are extremely important, and people who do this sort of thing aren't doing themselves any favors.

    I did some work for someone earlier this year (not a Warrior as far as I know) who claimed to be a "guru" and whose site advertised her coaching services - follow her training and "you too can live the life of luxury like I do" sort of thing. Turned out that she hardly knew even the basics of Internet Marketing and to top it off she didn't have enough money to pay me after doing the work (and we are talking under 100 bucks here, which believe me was a bargain for what I did for her).

    If you're going to "talk the talk" you need to be able to "walk the walk"!

    All the best...

    Bill
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    • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
      Originally Posted by mywebwork View Post

      Aloha Sue

      Excellent post, I've made this observation for a while now myself.

      As Internet Marketers credibility and reputation are extremely important, and people who do this sort of thing aren't doing themselves any favors.

      I did some work for someone earlier this year (not a Warrior as far as I know) who claimed to be a "guru" and whose site advertised her coaching services - follow her training and "you too can live the life of luxury like I do" sort of thing. Turned out that she hardly knew even the basics of Internet Marketing and to top it off she didn't have enough money to pay me after doing the work (and we are talking under 100 bucks here, which believe me was a bargain for what I did for her).

      If you're going to "talk the talk" you need to be able to "walk the walk"!

      All the best...

      Bill
      Aloha Bill

      Utterly agree with you and I have come across people like that before too.

      Thanks Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Sue,

    Yups that's a bit funny..and yes, people should be mindful of what they post or what's in their signature..

    But lets give them also some consideration..For me it's better that they actually ask for help on how to do their stuff than just go on carrying a sig. that he/she has totally no idea of.

    It just means that some of these people are actually sincere in what they're doing..Admitting your weakness is not easy..
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    • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
      Originally Posted by rapidscc View Post

      Sue,

      Yups that's a bit funny..and yes, people should be mindful of what they post or what's in their signature..

      But lets give them also some consideration..For me it's better that they actually ask for help on how to do their stuff than just go on carrying a sig. that he/she has totally no idea of.

      It just means that some of these people are actually sincere in what they're doing..Admitting your weakness is not easy..
      It was not my intention to suggest they do not get any consideration or help - absolutely if they ask for help and we can give it then that's great, this thread was just about the signature links that people have indicating knowledge in an area they are indeed asking for help in and not whether or not they should receive the help they are asking for

      Thanks
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    Sue That's really interesting, you do have a point there.

    Lunch break is over, Now Get Back To Work :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Susan Hope
      Originally Posted by HookUPcom View Post

      I'm still trying to figure out how to edit my sig.... LOL.
      Rough Guide to Setting your Signature Link:
      1. First make sure you have read the signature rules of this forum, then
      2. Click on "User CP" Arrow (top left of forum)
      3. Select from drop down menu "Edit Signature"
      4. In the Editor type in the words you want for your signature
      5. Highlight the words
      6. Click on the little picture of the world with a chain link in front of it
      7. In pop up window, insert URL and click OK
      8. Preview Signature
      9. If its ok then Save Signature.
      10. If it is not working then stand up sharply making sure you knock your chair over in the process.
      11. Rush out into back garden/yard/street
      12. Run around in circles having a darn good hissy fit.
      13. Try not to injure yourself of course.
      14. Come back in and try again.
      15. If it still won't work repeat steps 10 to 14.
      16. Above all, do not be tempted to take it out on your computer/laptop because they can be very temperamental about that kind of thing.
      Hope that helps
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