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Is Clickbank Getting tight on IM?

by Jeff Falzone
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Hey guys,

As I was chitchatting with a friend of mine, we found out that lots of marketers don't launch IM products on Clickbank anymore: they say it's becoming too restrictive about the income claims on the sales page.

As a matter of fact, i have seen on the main launch boards that now people use JVZoo, Clicksure and other networks to pay affiliates despite the fact that Clickbank has been selling products like hotcakes in every niche.

You can find source in my words just by vising launch boards such as eyemunch.com

What's your thought about this matter?
#clickbank #tight
  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    I think that:

    1. Whenever big, for profit businesses, start to say they don't want your money or business anymore, maybe your business strategy is flawed in some way.

    2. Companies that will take all the leftovers (those that successful for profit companies don't want) will, sooner or later, face the negative consequences of doing business with the dregs of society. In this case it's people that don't have anything of value to offer and can't sell it without wild income claims.

    3. Good for your buddies to move on and not mess with those selling legitimate products through Clickbank. Maybe their reputation will improve the more they get rid of people like this.

    Mark

    Originally Posted by Giuseppe M Falzone View Post

    Hey guys,

    As I was chitchatting with a friend of mine, we found out that lots of marketers don't launch IM products on Clickbank anymore: they say it's becoming too restrictive about the income claims on the sales page.

    As a matter of fact, i have seen on the main launch boards that now people use JVZoo, Clicksure and other networks to pay affiliates despite the fact that Clickbank has been selling products like hotcakes in every niche.

    You can find source in my words just by vising launch boards such as eyemunch.com

    What's your thought about this matter?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Falzone
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      I think that:

      1. Whenever big, for profit businesses, start to say they don't want your money or business anymore, maybe your business strategy is flawed in some way.

      2. Companies that will take all the leftovers (those that successful for profit companies don't want) will, sooner or later, face the negative consequences of doing business with the dregs of society. In this case it's people that don't have anything of value to offer and can't sell it without wild income claims.

      3. Good for your buddies to move on and not mess with those selling legitimate products through Clickbank. Maybe their reputation will improve the more they get rid of people like this.

      Mark
      Yours seems a way of thinking way more towards the business methods of those who publish their product, unlike I was saying above by discussing regard Clickbank's policy.

      I just wanted to know if, by any case there would have been general problems or any experiences by any of you guys out there and the real reason why nowadays seems like all the gurus are avoiding Clickbank by switching to JVZOO & Co.

      Appreciated the point of view though!
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    ClickBank IS Internet Marketing.

    Perhaps they are looking at MMO or GRQ, however, not that I can see. I just went to their feature market place and there are, Betting Systems, Make Money Online With Cleverly Worded Income claims, and any and every other thing I've ever seen on ClickBank.

    George Wright
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Falzone
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      ClickBank IS Internet Marketing.

      Perhaps they are looking at MMO or GRQ, however, not that I can see. I just went to their feature market place and there are, Betting Systems, Make Money Online With Cleverly Worded Income claims, and any and every other thing I've ever seen on ClickBank.

      George Wright
      I knew all along before posting this that you would've certainly found many of them already listed. However, the fact that those you can see are products already approved way earlier and that gurus are not using CB anymore makes me raise a eyebrow.
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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Originally Posted by Giuseppe M Falzone View Post

        I knew all along before posting this that you would've certainly found many of them already listed. However, the fact that those you can see are products already approved way earlier and that gurus are not using CB anymore makes me raise a eyebrow.
        As long as you find certain types of items listed you will be able to list new items of the same kind.

        "Gurus" are just like any other people,looking for and talking about the next big thing that "works". Using ClickBank hasn't/isn't going anywhere.

        The debate on clickbank is nothing new. It's been going on forever, on this forum.

        I always think "such and such" is dead type rumors are started by the competition.

        A quick search on Google shows sellers still have confidence in ClickBank and others, as always, hate it, as they hate PayPal, Warrior Forum, eBay, Amazon on and on. Nothing to worry about.

        No one I know has had a problem getting MMO or anything else approved and there have been thousands of Make Money products and a lot of betting (I mention betting because it's a very controversial product) added recently.

        Nothing to worry about if you want to use clickbank and nothing to worry about if you don't. In spite of all of the talk about payment processors getting picky, they still do business with MMO.

        I have a product that PayPal says must be approved. They approved it in a matter of a few hours.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Giuseppe M Falzone View Post

    As I was chitchatting with a friend of mine, we found out that lots of marketers don't launch IM products on Clickbank anymore: they say it's becoming too restrictive about the income claims on the sales page.
    And not before time.

    Yes, they've become more conscious of being legally and regulatorily compliant. Very welcome indeed, too.

    In the long run, of course, the more compliance with existing regulations there is, the better it is for all of us, as internet marketers - the better for our collective reputations and the less likely that the regulatory process will become worse, more powerful or more restrictive. Decades (perhaps centuries) of history have reliably and repeatedly taught us that industries with a long history of not being able to regulate themselves effectively are always the ones on whom (often for good and understandable reasons) stricter regulations are increasingly imposed by external authorities. I think we can all agree, as marketers, that that's a good thing for us to avoid, if we can?

    Originally Posted by Giuseppe M Falzone View Post

    As a matter of fact, i have seen on the main launch boards that now people use JVZoo, Clicksure and other networks to pay affiliates despite the fact that Clickbank has been selling products like hotcakes in every niche.
    I don't know anyone who uses Clicksure, myself. It seems to be a depository for the scary products that no other network would accept, for legal, ethical and moral reasons. Even PayPal won't do business with them.

    Clicksure Approval?
    First there was Clicksure and now..Clickbetter?
    Clicksure Paypal account got limited. What's next?
    Clicksure. Is anybody using it?
    Clicksure Scam affiliates or they have problem on their Paycheck system ?
    clicksure

    More to the point, perhaps, is that no serious, pro-affiliate of ClickBank is going to want to promote there a product whose customers might buy it through their own hoplinks rather than through the hoplink of the referring affiliate? Given that they allow people to buy through their own hoplinks, it's hard to see much point in promoting products targeted at people some of whom are already ClickBank affiliates? It's not a very good recipe for being paid reliably, is it? Especially with so many thousands of other products to choose from, there, to which that problem doesn't pertain?

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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    It is called getting rid of COSTomers - that is customers that cost you money. Most are a major pain. OK so the best idea is to send them on their way. Like you do not want to waste time with these scammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopTier Profits
    Actually, ClickSure is a great network. Cheaper fee's (for sellers) as well as new features that other networks didn't/don't have.

    In regards to "Paypal won't do business with them" as every marketer who has done volume knows, PayPal have a tendency to limit your account(s) when you start to do a high volume of transactions, which is what happened regarding ClickSure.

    ClickSure have since partnered with Payoneer. I'm extremely happy with ClickSure over all, they pay on time and have great features for both affiliates and sellers.

    ClickBank did get "tough" on MMO products a while back due to pressure from the FTC which is why nowadays most MMO related products don't launch on ClickBank when they vendors can get lower fee's and better features elsewhere.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by TopTier Profits View Post

      In regards to "Paypal won't do business with them" as every marketer who has done volume knows, PayPal have a tendency to limit your account(s) when you start to do a high volume of transactions, which is what happened regarding ClickSure.
      Nope - that's not correct. If you read through the threads linked to, above, you'll find a couple of different explanations of why PayPal closed (not "limited") their account, including Clicksure's own answer to that question - and it was nothing like that at all. Nor have other affiliate networks had their PayPal accounts closed down for anything like that!

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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      I get so tired of reading this sort of bunk...

      Originally Posted by TopTier Profits View Post

      In regards to "Paypal won't do business with them" as every marketer who has done volume knows, PayPal have a tendency to limit your account(s) when you start to do a high volume of transactions, which is what happened regarding ClickSure.
      I make a full time living from Internet Marketing.
      I've been in the business for about 11 years, and it's my only source of income for the past seven years.

      My products are ONLY sold using Paypal. My Paypal account has been limited once during that entire time, for a period of about 2 hours. I had just modified a sales page a few days before, and was pretty sure I knew what had triggered their action. I eliminated one single phrase (not even a whole sentence) from the sales page, and then contacted Paypal.

      Like I said before... my account was back to normal within 2 hours.

      Since then (specifically on 5 November 2012), I received the following email from Paypal.

      Rewarding your PayPal performance


      Dear Sid Hale,

      Due to your exceptional PayPal account performance, we are happy to let you know that your funds will no longer be temporarily held during the investigation of a claim, dispute, or chargeback filed by your buyers. This change will take effect immediately. There is no action required on your behalf to take advantage of this exciting benefit.*

      Moving forward, there are a few important things to note:

      • This benefit is only available to PayPal account holders like you who continue to have great account performance.
      • PayPal still needs your assistance by responding in a timely fashion to such investigations, and the claim, dispute, and chargeback process will remain the same.
      • Losing a claim, dispute, or chargeback will still cause your PayPal account to be debited at the time the case is closed.
      • You may receive system-generated e-mails referencing your funds being held during such investigations. Despite this, your account is exempt from such holds at this time.

      The PayPal Debit MasterCard Business Card® will also provide you with fast access to your funds. Thank you and we look forward to growing your business.

      Sincerely,

      PayPal

      The important part of that quote is in the first paragraph.
      I did not request this special treatment. It's a benefit that was extended by Paypal on their own initiative, simply because of the responsible way that I deal with disputes.

      Many Internet Marketers take their payment processor for granted. They assume that because they pay a fee per transaction, that they are somehow entitled to keep their account and use it freely for moving money from the customer to themselves. They miss three significant points... 1) Paypal (like any business) has the right to refuse service to anyone, 2) If they did not exercise their rights in that regard, they would have to raise their rates to cover the additional costs that would be incurred, and 3) they have agreed to Paypal's Acceptable Use Policy, and are bound by that policy (very much like a contract).

      My own experience, with regard to those who have spouted vehemently about having their account shut down, indicates that they really don't know why their account was limited because 1) they have never bothered to read the Acceptable Use Agreement, 2) they didn't understand it, or 3) having read and understood the AUS, they chose to use Paypal anyway because it was cheaper than the alternative processors.

      My best advice for you is 1) don't believe everything you hear, and 2) definitely don't repeat it unless you can document it as truth.
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  • Profile picture of the author internetmarketer1
    I would have to say that this is probably within the MMO niche and not so much within other niches. I a
    Ways know when new products are being launched on the CB marketplace, and there are plenty of them every week that are being made,
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