I hate thinking about money now

by Zodiax
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Hello warriors,

I am really fed up with money.

I am fed up with all the emphasis that is placed on making money.

Seriously, I have lost all desire to become a 7 figure dollar affiliate marketer.

You know why?

Because it's just not me.

It's not what I want.

No matter how many pep talk videos I watch about taking action and setting goals to increase income...

I just don't click with it.

Do I want a business? Yes

Do I want to chase after money? No

Why? Because it's painful

It's painful forcing yourself to like and want something for simple status.

It's painful doing things with the intention of taking from people.

And... that whole 'providing value' thing is pure balonely

99% of people don't know what real value is.

I think real value is making your fellow man smile, and not asking him to open his wallet.

I think real value is getting up with the intention of transforming someone else's life, and not think about how much money they will be worth on your list.

I hate this emphasis placed on selfish acquisition.

It's a status thing, with no meaning behind it.

I want to truly help others, and start a real business.

Anyone?
#hate #money #thinking
  • Profile picture of the author dynamicsuccess1
    Zodiax,

    I know what you mean by feeling "Pushy", for lack of a better word. But the answer is simple, If you want to be successful, you MUST help other people. You answered your own dilemma. Focus on helping others, dont focus on the money and your business will thrive. If you're not willing to do that, you dont deserve a business (dont mean to be harsh)



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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I think real value is getting up with the intention of transforming someone else's life, and not think about how much money they will be worth on your list.
    That's real sweet...some of us like to eat.

    It's a status thing, with no meaning behind it.
    In your mind.

    I want to truly help others,
    Go down to the mission and volunteer.
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    • Profile picture of the author kilgore
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      That's real sweet...some of us like to eat.

      Go down to the mission and volunteer.
      You might be interested to know that there is such a thing as a social enterprise. These companies (and I consider my company one of these) are for-profit companies that also seek to serve a social good. A couple of better known examples include Tom's Shoes (estimated revenue $300 million), Better World Books ($65 million revenue), and the Grameen Bank ($175 million revenue). Somehow I don't think they have any trouble putting food on the table.

      As to the OP, you might be interested in reading some of the resources on the website of the B-Corporation (Welcome | B Corporation), a non-profit which certifies businesses as social enterprises. The London Guardian also has some information on sustainable business (Guardian sustainable business | Guardian Sustainable Business | The Guardian). I also recommend checking out the Social Enterprise Alliance (https://www.se-alliance.org/).

      And of course, you should also look into traditional not-for-profit organizations or NGOs.

      No matter which course you take, you'll still need to think about money (even a non-profit has to pay its bills!) but it's certainly more than possible to make a good living without money being the only thing you think about.
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      • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
        Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

        No matter which course you take, you'll still need to think about money (even a non-profit has to pay its bills!) but it's certainly more than possible to make a good living without money being the only thing you think about.
        This sums up my concerns!

        I get sick when I just think about making money, in a literal sense.

        It happens each time I try to force myself to build a business to 'put food on the table'.

        No human should endure that pain!

        Why would I want to build a 7 figure affiliate business if I hate myself?
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        • Profile picture of the author kilgore
          Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

          This sums up my concerns!

          I get sick when I just think about making money, in a literal sense.

          It happens each time I try to force myself to build a business to 'put food on the table'.

          No human should endure that pain!

          Why would I want to build a 7 figure affiliate business if I hate myself?
          Honestly, if it's that bad, starting your own business (or non-profit) is probably the last thing you want to do. Why not visit Idealist.org (Volunteer, work, intern, organize, hire and connect. Change the world - idealist.org) and see if there are any jobs in your area doing things you care about? There are plenty of jobs doing all sorts of things for all sorts of causes in the non-profit sector. Just stay away from fundraising and grant-writing if you're allergic to money!
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        • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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          Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

          This sums up my concerns!

          I get sick when I just think about making money, in a literal sense.

          It happens each time I try to force myself to build a business to 'put food on the table'.

          No human should endure that pain!

          Why would I want to build a 7 figure affiliate business if I hate myself?
          Honestly, I don't think you're cut out for business. If creating a profitable business and "putting food on the table" is painful to you, I think it's better you just endure the pain of slaving away for some other corporation to put food on the table ... or just join others in the free food lines.

          There are non-profit corporations. Start one and donate all of your salary back to the corporation. Then you won't have to dirty yourself with money.
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        OP,

        Get a cab or bus over to this place. They'll make you feel right at home.

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  • Profile picture of the author Masterkey2Riches
    I think if people really want to make money, they should look at their life and where they are now. If it's bothering them and they're not satisfy where they are in life, then all of this should convince themselves to do something about it. You don't need to convince anyone. But somehow humans seem to have a perverse nature that likes to make simple things complicated.
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  • Profile picture of the author TopTier Profits
    Do I want a business? Yes

    Do I want to chase after money? No

    It's painful doing things with the intention of taking from people.
    You can't have a business until you "get over" the fact that in-order for your business to be a "success" you need to "take" things from others (generally, money).

    Thats business. Something exchanges hands in exchange for something else (again, generally money).

    The whole "value" thing you talk about is flawed because value is perceived.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    I call them Absentee Cash Cows. Nothing for sale in my sig file, but a little explanation.

    I helped people find work. They paid once they got a job and on a small monthly basis. The kicker was, other people did the "work".

    This sounds like what you may be after, a business where other people do all the work and you make the money. A hands off business that does good.

    Don't let some Warrior opinions make you think this is not possible, it is.

    And, if you don't have the investment money then you have to either partner up with someone or find a good investor/s for this.

    There is a production company, Participant Media, which has made many movies and is looking for ideas which have a social message.

    They do pretty well in the market place, and they do very well in the feel good dept. too.

    You have to open your mind up to the many opportunities for you, perhaps, a break from the WF might be in order.

    Absentee Owned businesses. Do good companies and corporations.

    DEFINE what it is what you want, then PLAN on how to go about it.

    If I understood this correctly, you really don't want a business, you want a cash flow, or money coming in to use to help people.

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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by gjabiz View Post

      I call them Absentee Cash Cows. Nothing for sale in my sig file, but a little explanation.

      I helped people find work. They paid once they got a job and on a small monthly basis. The kicker was, other people did the "work".

      This sounds like what you may be after, a business where other people do all the work and you make the money. A hands off business that does good.

      Don't let some Warrior opinions make you think this is not possible, it is.

      And, if you don't have the investment money then you have to either partner up with someone or find a good investor/s for this.

      There is a production company, Participant Media, which has made many movies and is looking for ideas which have a social message.

      They do pretty well in the market place, and they do very well in the feel good dept. too.

      You have to open your mind up to the many opportunities for you, perhaps, a break from the WF might be in order.

      Absentee Owned businesses. Do good companies and corporations.

      DEFINE what it is what you want, then PLAN on how to go about it.

      If I understood this correctly, you really don't want a business, you want a cash flow, or money coming in to use to help people.

      gjabiz

      No I just want to build a business where I am happy to get up each day, not one where I feel like I have to drudge out another prospect call for the mlm thing im promoting, or having to send out another clickbank promotional e-mail.

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      • Profile picture of the author UnkwnUsr
        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        No I just want to build a business where I am happy to get up each day, not one where I feel like I have to drudge out another prospect call for the mlm thing im promoting, or having to send out another clickbank promotional e-mail.

        Sounds like you just don't believe in what it is you're promoting. You need to find another niche or market where you'll be more comfortable. The MMO niche isn't for everyone.
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        • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
          I wonder,

          Would a donation model work?
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          • Profile picture of the author kilgore
            Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

            I wonder,

            Would a donation model work?
            Depends on what you're doing. Generally, non-profit organizations are better equipped than for-profits to solicit donations, but even within non-profits, some things more naturally lend themselves to donations (e.g., political activity), others grants (e.g., scientific research) and others fee-for-service (e.g., hospitals).

            All that said, if given how you "get sick when I just think about making money", I'd strongly recommend against a model that relies on donations. In my experience, people don't donate because they see a "Donate" button on your website. They donate because they were asked. And even more so, when they have a personal relationship with the organization before being asked. We purposely structured our business in a way that we wouldn't be relying on donations because I think getting donations can often be more difficult than other funding mechanisms.
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      • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        No I just want to build a business where I am happy to get up each day, not one where I feel like I have to drudge out another prospect call for the mlm thing im promoting, or having to send out another clickbank promotional e-mail.

        Hope you find what you are looking for.

        gjabiz
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  • Profile picture of the author fingerscrossed
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    Hello warriors,

    I am really fed up with money.

    I am fed up with all the emphasis that is placed on making money.

    Seriously, I have lost all desire to become a 7 figure dollar affiliate marketer.

    You know why?

    Because it's just not me.

    It's not what I want.

    No matter how many pep talk videos I watch about taking action and setting goals to increase income...

    I just don't click with it.

    Do I want a business? Yes

    Do I want to chase after money? No

    Why? Because it's painful

    It's painful forcing yourself to like and want something for simple status.

    It's painful doing things with the intention of taking from people.

    And... that whole 'providing value' thing is pure balonely

    99% of people don't know what real value is.

    I think real value is making your fellow man smile, and not asking him to open his wallet.

    I think real value is getting up with the intention of transforming someone else's life, and not think about how much money they will be worth on your list.

    I hate this emphasis placed on selfish acquisition.

    It's a status thing, with no meaning behind it.

    I want to truly help others, and start a real business.

    Anyone?
    Money is the biggest trap there is. People that want to get rich will never make it rich. People that have a deeper motivation will make it rich. It is kind of ironic if you think about it. It is the paradox of this planet for example the funniest people throughout history are the people that have been through the worst trauma and hardships. Long story short your goal should never be for money (even though money is always a factor) but to make it to where ever you want to be in life you need a deeper root!
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  • Stop going around asking on forums the obvious.

    Ive seen you here asking the same thing and im pretty sure you have seen the same bs offer every coach had tried to offer you. Whether they be enticing you with a shiny, shinier or shiniest promise out there, these coaches had bust their butt online and their business.

    Pick a niche, strategy, mentor, or ebook to get you on the right path because being bitter about what doesnt work for you because you cant seem to find the "perfect" business is truly a beauty in eye of the beholder.

    There is business from fashion niche selling hair, fitness/weightloss, dating for lonely, mmo/mlm recruitment, selling coffins upto the the nails of the coffins.

    But you didnt here those guys complain about how they got started.

    They just did.

    Just do it.

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    • Profile picture of the author Nightengale
      Wow. Just...wow. What a mindset.

      Bottom line: if that's really how you feel, then self-employment is not for you. Stick with a day job and volunteer for causes you care about.

      Ok,that being said...

      I think you're going through what a lot of us go through at one point or another. You seem to be mired in the minutiae of IM, overthinking it and overwhelmed.

      Been there, done that!

      Time to step back and look at the big picture...and some key points:

      1. You must deal with life/the world as it IS, not as you WISH it was.

      It's so easy to get really upset about they way we think things SHOULD be. Why do we have to need something so crass as money? Why can't we all just live on a commune and help each other?

      "All you need is love... </sarcasm>

      You can spend a lifetime pontificating about such deep philosophical points. But the bottom line is we must all deal with life as it IS, not as we WISH it was.

      You'll get a lot farther a lot faster if you accept and act on that premise.

      You need money to live. You can either be self-employed or be someone else's employee. Those are really your only two choices. (Well, you COULD take up panhandling...)

      Take your pick.

      2. You want to help people.

      Great!

      You can do that by volunteering, starting/joining a non-profit, working for a company you care about or starting a for-profit business you care about.

      Remember, you still need to eat and have a roof over your head. A for-profit business is also a vehicle to create value and make a difference. And there are many reasons to work for profit vs. doing non-profit work.

      Think about human nature. We often don't value something if we haven't paid for it. That's just the law of the universe. Thinking everything should be free is a fool's errand. (If that's the philosophical road you're traveling...)

      By definition, a for-profit business is an exchange of value. People pay for your product or service. When they buy, they want your product or service more than they want the money they're paying for it.

      You're thinking business is about benefiting at the expense of others. That's self-interest. Short-sighted self-interest. Enlightened self-interest is about benefiting at the SERVICE of others.

      Money and profit are inanimate. They're not evil in and of themselves. YOU imbue the good or evil in the business.

      A FANTASTIC book I highly recommend to everyone is Money, Greed & God: Why Capitalism is the Solution and Not the Problem: Money, Greed, and God: Why Capitalism Is the...Money, Greed, and God: Why Capitalism Is the...

      Love, love LOVE this book! It compares several of the most common economic systems and the results of those systems over the years: utopia, socialism, communism, fascism, and capitalism. As someone once said "Capitalism is is the worst system ever devised, except for all of the others." So true!

      It's not a big book and it's an easy read. Well worth it!

      3. Assuming you still want to start a business, your next task is to pick a business that meshes with your values and goals.

      Yes, you need to thoroughly believe in what you're doing. If you don't believe in it or feel like you're somehow scamming people, you'll never do what you need to do to be successful.

      I understand what you're saying because I felt the same way. And I wanted a business I could feel proud of.

      In my case, I took someone common business types and merged them together:

      I really loved the idea of "offline marketing": that is, helping offline business owners market their businesses online. I'm an entrepreneur at heart and LOVE online marketing. However, I DESPISE the incestuous nature of IM. Nor do I like the often cheesy, scammy nature of IM.

      So offline marketing was perfect for me. However, I tweaked the idea little bit more:

      I decided to specialize in a specific industry instead of just local businesses: health and wellness. Health and wellness professionals aren't business-oriented at all and need a lot of help.

      This is the PERFECT business for a few reasons:

      1. I get to use my business skills to help others be successful in their businesses. That's huge because everyone always needs/wants more money and business failure rate is high.

      When they succeed, it means they're happier, their kids get to go to private schools, they can move to a nice neighborhood, etc. There are a lot of personal and professional benefits.

      2. Since their business is health and wellness, I have a hand in helping others get/become more healthy, lose weight, overcome eating disorders, cure or manage health concerns, etc. After all, if they couldn't attract more clients, those clients might not ever overcome their health challenges.

      That's also huge.

      So I kill two birds with one stone in my business.

      3. By focusing on health and wellness, I avoid the incestuous nature of making money by teaching others how to make money by teaching others how to make money, etc. That was incredibly important to me.

      I'm super proud of what I'm doing, knowing it helps others in a very real way, both financially and in their health.

      That's what you need to do: find a business you love, that you can be proud of, that creates real value and meets your goals and values.

      It may take some searching, but it's out there.

      Good luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author seekdefo
    Maybe just maybe I feel you are tired of selling digital products and there are a ton out there which provide no value.
    Why don't you change your niche to selling physical products so that you feel that people are getting something solid in exchange of their money.

    May make you feel better. Teespring, custom iphone covers are things about which I have heard good things.
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  • Profile picture of the author naidyphoon
    Wishful thinking has zero bearing on the truth of the matter. Money is merely a convenient medium that is traded for value-perceived value IS value as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Cali16
      Zodiax, Michelle (Nightengale) really hit it on the head. You need to change your mindset about money. If I were you, I'd read her post above several times until what she says really sinks in. It contains a lot of wisdom.

      I love helping people. That's why I invested 6 grueling years of my life years ago to obtain a masters and doctorate in clinical psychology (in addition to 4 years for my bachelor's degree). When I had my own private therapy practice, was I taking advantage of my clients by charging a fee for my services? No. It costs money to rent office space, pay for malpractice insurance, market your services, attend continuing education courses, dress professionally, and so on. I also kind of like having a place to live, electricity, heat in the winter, transportation, insurance, and food to eat. Strange, I know...

      When you go to a doctor, dentist, mechanic, and so on, do they provide their services to you for nothing? Do you get your clothing, food, Internet service, cell phone service, and so on, for free? Does the local gas station fill up your gas tank for free?

      Money is a necessity. It's not "evil" in and of itself. Whether you strive to make 5, 6, or 7 figures a year is up to you. Some of the wealthiest people on the planet are also some of the greatest philanthropists. Not everyone "chases money for status". I didn't get two advanced degrees for "status" or prestige; they were a necessity for the career I had chosen.

      There are myriad ways to make money in life that don't involve exploiting people in any way. You can help people and make money doing it - there's nothing wrong with that. Whether you make money "online" or offline really doesn't matter either. But it's a bit arrogant to insinuate that you're one of the "elite 1%" who understands what "real value" is, don't you think...?
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  • Profile picture of the author bennie07
    Good luck to you Zodiax. With that type of mindset, you'll need it.
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    I like thinking about money.

    Makes me warm inside.

    Maybe you should search within yourself and
    find that activity that you have a tick for.
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  • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    Hello warriors,

    I am really fed up with money.

    I am fed up with all the emphasis that is placed on making money.

    Seriously, I have lost all desire to become a 7 figure dollar affiliate marketer.

    You know why?

    Because it's just not me.

    It's not what I want.

    No matter how many pep talk videos I watch about taking action and setting goals to increase income...

    I just don't click with it.

    Do I want a business? Yes

    Do I want to chase after money? No

    Why? Because it's painful

    It's painful forcing yourself to like and want something for simple status.

    It's painful doing things with the intention of taking from people.

    And... that whole 'providing value' thing is pure balonely

    99% of people don't know what real value is.

    I think real value is making your fellow man smile, and not asking him to open his wallet.

    I think real value is getting up with the intention of transforming someone else's life, and not think about how much money they will be worth on your list.

    I hate this emphasis placed on selfish acquisition.

    It's a status thing, with no meaning behind it.

    I want to truly help others, and start a real business.

    Anyone?
    What are you DOING on this forum with this mindset?

    Why don't you do volunteer as a living?
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  • Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post


    I am really fed up with money.

    Do I want a business? Yes

    Do I want to chase after money? No

    It's a status thing, with no meaning behind it.
    Make no mistake: business = money.

    In business, you have to mind concepts like ROI, lead acquisition, cash flow, etc. All those are money related, and they're crucial for any business.

    Conclusion: You're in the wrong forum... It seems like you dont fit into the entrepreneurial businessman role, and therefore you should search for other ventures in your life. NGO? volunteering? work at a local school? whatever it is, you won't be able to run a business unless you put MONEY as one of your top priorities.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate View Post

      Make no mistake: business = money.

      In business, you have to mind concepts like ROI, lead acquisition, cash flow, etc. All those are money related, and they're crucial for any business.

      Conclusion: You're in the wrong forum... It seems like you dont fit into the entrepreneurial businessman role, and therefore you should search for other ventures in your life. NGO? volunteering? work at a local school? whatever it is, you won't be able to run a business unless you put MONEY as one of your top priorities.
      This forum isn't for entrepreneurs, it's for people wanting to make easy money on the internet.
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      • Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        This forum isn't for entrepreneurs, it's for people wanting to make easy money on the internet.
        Theoretically speaking, you're wrong. Realistically speaking, you have a point :p

        At any rate, according to the values expressed in your OP, you're in the wrong forum non the less.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        This forum isn't for entrepreneurs, it's for people wanting to make easy money on the internet.
        lol. You're really just another one of the trolls who come here to bash the WF and "scams" and what not, aren't you?

        You wouldn't recognize an entrepreneur if they hit you over the head with a bag of money. I suggest you find another forum to whine about money and business. This one clearly isn't for you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          I think I get your point although a few sentences you are putting wrong. You want to have a business that helps people. You look around and see people mostly just chasing the cash (shucks I just came from a thread where the OP was asking for suggestions on how to make money off faking h e believed in a religion and there were people actually making suggestions on how he could become a fraud!) and thats what makes you sick.

          Go your own path. Provide something of value and skip the squeeze page, affiliate marketing, MMO crowd. You'll probably have to sell a bigger ticket item or service but that has its own rewards. If anything in IM fascinates me even now its not the money directly but the freedom. I can go anywhere in the world and given sufficient notice I can be anywhere to help with anything at any time
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          • Profile picture of the author Kay King
            Also I struggle with depression and I am a sensitive individual in general. That's why I make threads like these. I am searching for my path into business development.
            What are you - 14? I see a thread like this and wonder "who pays your BILLS"?

            Do you live with your parents and have your necessities provided for you? That seems to be the norm for those who are disdainful of earning a living - they've never had to do it. Never had to support themselves or support others, too.

            Looking back at your other threads - you aren't a six figure marketer so why worry about it?

            Donation model? Would be easier than working - but why would someone want to donate their money to you? Can you find a compelling reason?
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            • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              What are you - 14? I see a thread like this and wonder "who pays your BILLS"?

              Do you live with your parents and have your necessities provided for you? That seems to be the norm for those who are disdainful of earning a living - they've never had to do it. Never had to support themselves or support others, too.

              Looking back at your other threads - you aren't a six figure marketer so why worry about it?

              Donation model? Would be easier than working - but why would someone want to donate their money to you? Can you find a compelling reason?
              Why don't you go move to the poorer parts of India.

              Better yet, go move to Zimbabwe.

              You will learn what it means to earn a living.
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              • Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

                Why don't you go move to the poorer parts of India.

                Better yet, go move to Zimbabwe.

                You will learn what it means to earn a living.
                Pointless argument, and that's not what this forum is about. I repeat my question: Zodiax, why are you still in this forum if it clearly doesnt fit your mentality?

                I beginning to ponder whether you're just raising drama for the sake of it (AKA trolling)?
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      • Profile picture of the author Aaron0669
        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        This forum isn't for entrepreneurs, it's for people wanting to make easy money on the internet.
        Hi Zodiax,
        It isn't easy to make money on the Internet. I've tried and I know it is very difficult especially if you don't know what you are doing.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Zodiax, with your attitude towards money and your sensibilities, I have to ask...

          What on this Earth put you on the path to becoming a "7 figure affiliate marketer" in the first place? It also sounds like you've been frequenting some the IM/MMO community's seedier neighborhoods. Why?

          That's like spending all of your time in the red light district and concluding that a whole city is nothing but drug dealers, pimps and whores.

          Before you do one more thing to make money or start a business, spend some time creating your vision. Be able to close your eyes and watch a movie of your ideal day play on the back of your eyelids. Make it high definition color and surround sound. If money were no object, what would your ideal day look, sound, smell, taste and feel like?

          Then come to grips with the idea that money is just a medium of exchange, a way of assigning a measure of value to things. In my world, an ideal transaction in business leaves both parties feeling like they got the better end of the deal. Find a business/product/service where people gladly open their wallets for you, because what you offer is worth more to them than the money they give you.

          Do that, and I think you'll end up a whole lot happier...
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  • Profile picture of the author Gh0zt
    What good is all the wealth in the world if it makes you miserable?

    I get your point about money, really I do - but - what you have to realise is, although our fiat currency is based on a scam itself - money itself is a "valuable" tool, a medium of exchange.

    Otherwise... what if I done some work for a baker, who had no money but could pay me in bread? That's great... but what if I done a tonne of work for him and didn't want 100 loaves of bread in return which I would then have to trade away to get the things I did want (and I'd need to trade them before they went stale and mouldy!)

    You speak of value and money in the same sentence, but you are not respecting how "valuable" money really is: it helps a lot!

    Ethically and morally speaking though I completely agree with you: we should be helping one another to better ourselves, our familys, our societies - we shouldn't be looking to get rich quick by robbing or decieving others.

    Morals are important... if you didn't have any and you wanted to get rich quickly, it is really easy - rob, cheat, sell crack cocaine - you will get what you want... (Do NOT do that!!!)

    The thing is: everything has a price.

    Your "worldly" wealth might increase when you sell crack (for example), but your soul gets damaged. You are making profit from selling something which is destroying lives which will do nothing for you except destroy your soul, your character, your status in society.

    The exact same applied to selling lies and packaging them as get rich quick programs - yes, you make some fast money from it - but what about the people whom you are taking the money from? Clearly they are in need? and scammers take thier money and lead them on a time-wasting wild goose chase - but in reality the scammer is just damaging themselves.

    Just sayin',

    Gh0zt
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  • Profile picture of the author pilerp
    Business is equal to exchange of values between two parties.
    Money is equal to an asset, a tool, a value

    Money is not bad. Greed may be..
    Scheming to rob other people from their money without giving a higher value in return is bad, a practice worth hating.

    Why 7 figures? Why not 8... or 6? or just 5?

    If you have a passion to help others, you already have won half the battle to build a long term thriving business. Figure out the way you can best help others. And build your business around that.

    Thanks for the thread I found it quite inspiring and of sound value.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    This forum isn't for entrepreneurs, it's for people wanting to make easy money on the internet.
    You don't have a clue. The above are two separate things.

    But you got some people to cry with you so I guess mission accomplished, huh?

    I'm going back to analyzing last nights payment notifications...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim3
    "This forum isn't for entrepreneurs"

    You are quite wrong on this point, and you will understand what I mean if you actually take the time to study hard, and in depth how the forum works, think leverage!


    "it's for people wanting to make easy money on the internet."

    Then a lot of people are going to be disappointed... that's a mythical beastie, the legend of which has grown out proportion by the entrepreneurs you speak of, many of them from here!

    Then there are those who have built successful businesses the hard way by actually working at it, with help from those same people.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    Hello warriors,

    It's painful doing things with the intention of taking from people.

    And... that whole 'providing value' thing is pure balonely

    99% of people don't know what real value is.

    I think real value is making your fellow man smile, and not asking him to open his wallet.

    I think real value is getting up with the intention of transforming someone else's life, and not think about how much money they will be worth on your list.

    I hate this emphasis placed on selfish acquisition.

    It's a status thing, with no meaning behind it.

    I want to truly help others, and start a real business.

    Anyone?
    I enjoy helping people. I enjoy getting paid to help people. I also enjoy paying people to help me.

    You have a problem with money. I don't know why, money in itself isn't good or bad.

    As for being a millionaire, if your sole intention is to make millions you will probably never make millions. If your sole intention is to help a million people, you will be a gazillionaire.

    There is a difference but you need to get over your mindset that getting paid is bad.

    You should figure out your optimal lifestyle and just work towards that. I suspect you won't need anywhere near a million dollars a month or a year to get it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

      I enjoy helping people. I enjoy getting paid to help people. I also enjoy paying people to help me.

      You have a problem with money. I don't know why, money in itself isn't good or bad.

      As for being a millionaire, if your sole intention is to make millions you will probably never make millions. If your sole intention is to help a million people, you will be a gazillionaire.

      There is a difference but you need to get over your mindset that getting paid is bad.

      You should figure out your optimal lifestyle and just work towards that. I suspect you won't need anywhere near a million dollars a month or a year to get it.

      Yeah I think my mindset is flawed.

      What I meant to say was that I don't want to get up every morning doing something I hate just to grow a business.

      I would love to grow a loyal customer base, under the condition that the purpose was nobel.

      I'd feel guilty getting up each morning getting people to sign up for something like 'empower network' for example.

      Even a nobel cause can turn a good man bad, because he sees the profits he is making and begins to focus solely on that.

      In short, I think having a business means having a vision for humanity, and not having a vision of making it big as an affiliate marketer.

      Also I struggle with depression and I am a sensitive individual in general. That's why I make threads like these. I am searching for my path into business development.

      I am looking for something more than a bag of money, I want a bag of smiles, and money.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom B
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        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        Yeah I think my mindset is flawed.

        What I meant to say was that I don't want to get up every morning doing something I hate just to grow a business.

        I would love to grow a loyal customer base, under the condition that the purpose was nobel.

        I'd feel guilty getting up each morning getting people to sign up for something like 'empower network' for example.

        Even a nobel cause can turn a good man bad, because he sees the profits he is making and begins to focus solely on that.

        In short, I think having a business means having a vision for humanity, and not having a vision of making it big as an affiliate marketer.

        Also I struggle with depression and I am a sensitive individual in general. That's why I make threads like these. I am searching for my path into business development.

        I am looking for something more than a bag of money, I want a bag of smiles, and money.
        Yeah, I would feel guilty about pushing something like empower network. So maybe it isn't the money you have a problem with but more of the product.

        All the stuff I create and sell is something I use and needed myself. I am excited about selling these programs because they help me so I know it can help others.
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        • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
          Originally Posted by Thomas Belknap View Post

          Yeah, I would feel guilty about pushing something like empower network. So maybe it isn't the money you have a problem with but more of the product.

          All the stuff I create and sell is something I use and needed myself. I am excited about selling these programs because they help me so I know it can help others.
          Yeah I know there are people who are very happy with their businesses and don't get depressed.

          It would be wonderful waking up with a smile knowing that my business is making a difference.

          It extends beyond personal gain and into something higher and stronger.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        Yeah I think my mindset is flawed.

        What I meant to say was that I don't want to get up every morning doing something I hate just to grow a business.

        I would love to grow a loyal customer base, under the condition that the purpose was nobel.

        I'd feel guilty getting up each morning getting people to sign up for something like 'empower network' for example.

        Even a nobel cause can turn a good man bad, because he sees the profits he is making and begins to focus solely on that.

        In short, I think having a business means having a vision for humanity, and not having a vision of making it big as an affiliate marketer.

        Also I struggle with depression and I am a sensitive individual in general. That's why I make threads like these. I am searching for my path into business development.

        I am looking for something more than a bag of money, I want a bag of smiles, and money.
        Even if you form a non-profit organization that fulfills your need to help humanity, you need to have a better attitude towards money. A bag of smiles won't help anyone in the long term.

        You'll also have to narrow down your vision of helping humanity. You most likely aren't ever going to help all humanity, so you would need to drill down a segment of humanity that you would like to help with a problem and the solution.

        As for feeling good about selling Empower Network, I wouldn't feel good about that either. But there's many other options in between Empower Network and an all encompassing desire to help humanity that you could do.

        Affiliate marketing, if that's what you're doing is fine, but it's not really a business. It's still working for someone else. No problem if that's what you want to do and promote products you believe in, but it's just a way to make money online rather than building your own business.

        Either way, whether you make money online or build your own business, if you're not making money doing it, you'll be doing no one any good, including yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author bennie07
      Originally Posted by Anthony J Namata View Post

      Well, I suppose there is a way to quickly exit this planet and never have to THINK nor worry about MAKING money off the back of innocent people. It's so simple and may only take a few minutes to do. Commit suicide! Seriously. Money makes the world go round. Period. If you don't like it, you can always do away with yourself.
      Zodiax stated that he struggles with depression, I feel your statement is insensitive -- leaning towards asinine.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    Money is nothing more than an idea. It's energy, a feeling. Like a smile or a frown. If you can make a lot of people smile or laugh many of them will pay you. If people prefer to be frightened and you can do that, many of them will pay you. If you can provide some sort of value (value is highly subjective) to the masses you'll become wealthy.

    People buy everything, yes, everything, all products and services, not necessarily to have the product or service but because it makes them feel better on some level. There is nothing particularly good or bad about money except the way you feel about it.

    One thing is for certain. If you're uncomfortable around the idea of money it will be uncomfortable around you and you'll always struggle to get it. Always.
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  • Zodiax, I wonder: what are you still doing hanging out in this forum? it's clearly not for you, and you know it. Go do something more productive with your time, perhaps?
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  • Profile picture of the author tashfia
    do what you love. Go ahead. You will be satisfied with your job. Don't think about money. If you do your task properly, money will automatically come to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gh0zt
    Warrior brothers and sisters - for the benefit of everybody who listens - listen:

    You need to understand something....

    You know basketball players... they love playing basketball.... they get a tonne of money for playing basketball - and for the most part, thier career is about basketball!

    BUT....

    Do you think for a second that every basketball player loves the intense cardio drills they have to do?

    Do you think they love that they can't take the same party drugs thier friends are taking at the party?

    Let me assure you: it would seem they have the easy life - the dream jobs... BUT.. don't get it twisted... yes, they are doing something they love as a career and yes they are getting a small fortune for doing it... but something else they do:

    THEY PUT IN A LOT OF HARD WORK - AND - THEY DO A LOT OF THINGS THEY DON'T LIKE DOING!

    The moral of the story is: making a profit isn't all fun and games - it is blood, sweat and tears, no matter what career path you take.

    The ONLY way to truely succeed is to be patient but at the same time to serious strive to reach your goals.

    Your going to have to do some things you don't like doing - it's life!

    I noticed that people don't seem to understand that - so I'm just putting it out there in the convosation, it's all good saying: "I don't want to do something I hate to make money" or put food on the table.... but, like the warriors have said: unless you want to be standing in the free food line looking for some charity - you need to work, and work blooming hard, to be successful.

    What seems like the long way is often the quick way.

    It is better to save your money and buy something outright - that way you won't get into a debt spiral and ruin your life.... KNOW this and act on it (but many won't).

    It is better to eat real food, prepared and cooked into a healthy meal - this way you grow stronger and healthier..... KNOW this and act on it (but many won't, they will continue to buy unhealthy foods).

    I hope you understand my message,

    All the best to your successes,

    Peace,
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    • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
      Yes I believe in hard work.

      I just want to make sure that the thing I am going to sweat blood for, is noble.

      Nothing would make me feel worse than going to the hospital trying to better my own bank account and nobody else's.

      The last action stunt I did burnt me out, put me in depression, and made me question why I was doing what I was doing in the first place.

      It turns out it was all for the wrong reasons.

      Yes I can work super hard, and there is nothing wrong with that.

      But I believe money should be a tool, not a master.

      Like they say, money is a good servant but a bad master.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gh0zt
        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        Yes I believe in hard work.

        I just want to make sure that the thing I am going to sweat blood for, is noble.

        Nothing would make me feel worse than going to the hospital trying to better my own bank account and nobody else's.
        + Respect to you for that.

        But understand, a cleaner who cleans sick, urine and poop off the floor for a living, to put food on the table for his family, is a million times better than a man who neglects his family because he is striving to be a bazzionairre.

        Cleaning is a very noble job. But in the eyes of our own self-judgement and maybe in society, it is seen as a scummy thing to do, or a lowly thing.

        I have a friend who is well off - but 6 years ago he was broke...

        He ran away from home to europe and worked many cleaning jobs and washing up jobs - worked all hours of the day AND didn't buy himself any luxury's - he saved everything...

        Then he came to England with the money he had saved and opened an internet cafe... (that's when I met him) he rented the flat above the shop and within a few more years he was renting flats accross the country with shops in a few different towns and cities.

        Maan (his name) is to me a good example of the truth I was trying to explain... I have tonnes of mates who have decent jobs - they make decent money each week, spray-finishing kitchens and the likes (nearly £1k a week) - BUT - they spend all their money on themselves... they live in nice apartments, wear nice clothes and have loads of fun on the weekends (and why not, they earned it) - again: BUT - those friends of mine will never be truely rich because they don't understand (or they do, but don't act).

        Not living your normal modern day life with all it's luxurys can be very hard - but it is this kind of self-discepline that makes zero's into hero's.

        Like I said - I like your posts and I respect you because you keep saying how you don't want to do anything immoral and only want to do something which is helping people - that is noble in itself and admirable - I just want you to understand the other part of the journey.... you know, it might be worth living as a slave cleaner so to speak, a slave because I don't want you to spend any money on yourself - save it up and start a business which means something to you....

        OR....

        Start a cleaning business.

        Whatever you decide to do - do it fearlessly and strive and be patient.

        The hard way is the easy way - you do things the hard way, you will be very successful in just a few short years - if you always try what seems like the quick way (often immoral, too-good-to-be-true, etc) then chances are you will still be chasing magic pills in 25 years from now.

        Don't listen to some of the other warriors (the one's getting rude and un-professional) - people get brave on the internet, keyboard warriors Stick around, just make sure you put effort into working towards your goals!

        On the flipside - loads of warriors have given you solid advice, read through it - go with what is best

        Peace,
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

        I just want to make sure that the thing I am going to sweat blood for, is noble.
        You do realize that this is all on you and you're going to have to come up with something more concrete than you want to do something noble, don't you?

        We've given our advice, but can't build your noble company for you. It has to be your idea and your actions that make that happen.

        You sound young and idealistic with no real plan. I suggest that you start volunteering offline with various local charities and get a good sense for things that make you feel good.

        Bear in mind that you're still going to have to earn a living. There is nothing noble about being a financial burden on others when you are able bodied and able to take care of yourself.
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    Think about your business and work hard and the money comes itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author New Girl
      Originally Posted by Raelyn Tan View Post

      I don't know about you, but I FREAKINGGGGGG LOVE MONEY!!!!!!

      Pardon my enthusiasm. I really love money.

      With more money, I can help more people. I can do stuff for loved ones. I can live however I like. I can use it for God's will. I can do pretty much a lot more with money!

      Repeat: I love money, and I won't get enough of it.

      Good people that have money are the ones that change the world, as compared to that poor and hungry good person. In the hands of someone great, great money brings great things.

      Awesome reply!!
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberzolo
    I feel like this sometimes as well...plus you are right most people don't know what VALUE really is including myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cali16
    Zodiax, you've gotten some really good advice in this thread. It sounds like you were trying to make money in a way that didn't feel ethical to you, and that made you start to question a lot of things.

    Wanting to do something noble is a worthwhile goal, but you need to figure out what that is. In the meantime, however, there's nothing wrong with making money in ways that, while perhaps not "noble" by your standards, are still perfectly ethical.

    I think Suzanne's suggestion of doing volunteer work is a really good one. That's a great way to discover what is fulfilling to you, as well as provide opportunities to network with like-minded individuals. You can do that part time while you do other work that pays the bills.

    One word of caution, however; be careful to not make such sweeping generalizations about other people (e.g. that they're all chasing money, don't know what real value is, etc.). That paints you in a negative light and puts other people off, making others less inclined to want to help you. Not to mention, noble and judgmental don't really go together.
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  • Profile picture of the author JessUBotNinja
    I think it your thought process is very commendable. Many small business owners are focused first on helping others and providing value, then on making money. Perhaps online business is not for you... building relationships with your customers is a great way till help you feel better about providing a product or service for a reasonable charge. Business is ultimately about making money but you can always come at it from a different angel.

    Best of luck, stick to your guns and strive to make a difference, you seem like you have the heart and passion to make it happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author LuckyIMer
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    Hello warriors,

    I am really fed up with money.

    I am fed up with all the emphasis that is placed on making money.

    Seriously, I have lost all desire to become a 7 figure dollar affiliate marketer.

    You know why?

    Because it's just not me.

    It's not what I want.

    No matter how many pep talk videos I watch about taking action and setting goals to increase income...

    I just don't click with it.

    Do I want a business? Yes

    Do I want to chase after money? No

    Why? Because it's painful

    It's painful forcing yourself to like and want something for simple status.

    It's painful doing things with the intention of taking from people.

    And... that whole 'providing value' thing is pure balonely

    99% of people don't know what real value is.

    I think real value is making your fellow man smile, and not asking him to open his wallet.

    I think real value is getting up with the intention of transforming someone else's life, and not think about how much money they will be worth on your list.

    I hate this emphasis placed on selfish acquisition.

    It's a status thing, with no meaning behind it.

    I want to truly help others, and start a real business.

    Anyone?
    Offering value, being honest and careful about clients businesses which affect their life is something most of internet sellers fail to understand or simply don;t care about. I personally been helpful and still to my clients and other people who I can help, I reject many offers although I could easily take them and earn the extra cash, but I do this sometimes as I care about the clients who are people in our same shoes trusting us to do the best and offer the best value. Sometimes I lose some sales as I am honest with my clients and I put them in reality instead of doing the opposite, which sadly most of sellers do.

    It is only when value and honesty are presented, a business can succeed easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardworker2013
    I think with that kind of mentality you will never get rich or become a successful businessman
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    • Profile picture of the author Sweersz
      Money is just something that you can trade for other cool stuff. Why hate it? And where did this 7 figure fantasy come from? Most of us here just pursue internet marketing for freedom, even if we earn less than what we would working for someone else because quality of life is better this way, we feel.

      Moreover, it really feels great knowing that you can earn as much money as you want as opposed to being trapped at an hourly wage job. Of course in practice this can be challenging but just knowing that your returns on your efforts aren't limited like that of an employee is one of the best feelings in the world.

      People are wired differently; you may opt for working someone else and that's totally fine. Do whatever you want.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      there are some great responses in this thread - in fact they are quite inspirational if you pay attention.

      Zodiax, a large percentage of Warriors don't make money in the MMO niches - remember that there are something like 700,000 members in this forum so if you are basing your assessment of this forum by what you see in the WSO section, you are just not seeing the whole picture.

      There are so many things you can do online, or offline for that matter, to make people's lives better - you just need to figure out what it is you want to do to suit your desires. I think you need to just spend some time alone and away from distractions.

      Don't hate money - money is not evil but the lack of money causes more grief than good - while the accumulation of money can be used for so much good for yourself, your family, your friends, and whomever else you wish to help.

      I wish you much happiness and success with whatever you decide to do.
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  • Show to them that you really care for them by helping them succeed online and make a living. Money just flow in and you don't need to put a number in their heads.
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  • Profile picture of the author jiwonman
    Zodiax, search for seven social sins on Google.

    1.Wealth without work.
    2.Pleasure without conscience.
    3.Knowledge without character.
    4.Commerce without morality.
    5.Science without humanity.
    6.Worship without sacrifice.
    7.Politics without principle

    -Karamchand Ghandi-
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    • Profile picture of the author RDInfo
      Here are some tips that i have found to feel good and motivated about what you create/provide to earn money (products or services) :
      ->analyze your previous purchases of products/services and determine the strengths/weaknesses of each product/service, determine ways to improve the product/service, provide this improved product/service at a fair price.
      ->don't create/provide products/services that you would not consider worth to buy, focus only to create/provide products/services that you honestly think can help the buyer/user to understand/do something, you may earn less than the liars/scammers but you feel good and motivated about what you do and the buyers/users will thank you for your help.
      ->be the change you want to see in the world, but be realistic, your ideals and dreams can't change people or the system, you can only show a better way to live/see things/do things, some will follow, some will not.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnyEnglish
    No i can't work at pizza hut for free. Whos gonna feed my big mouth?
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    • Profile picture of the author Rick Rodd
      nemo dat quod non habet

      You can't give away what you don't have

      This should be your mindset ALWAYS. Money is not the end all be all of things. It is just used as a means to help. Now tell me, Zodiax, would you be able to help your fellowmen if you don't have something to offer?

      Some say volunteerism is the way to go, but I have seen a lot of these so-called volunteers unequipped with construction-building knowledge, so much so that they delay the projects rather than being a help. And some donations not worth giving away 'coz refugees don't have a need for the items given away.

      Money, on the the other hand, is a universal barter for such goods. Remember money is not the root of all evil. The LOVE of money is. It's noble of you to disdain the greed attached to the green, but in this economy, getting allergic to it is certainly not a good idea. Just a poor excuse for being lazy.

      Please don't throw the opportunity away. A lot of people would give a lot to be in the position you are now. Make the most out of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author master reseller
    Take a step back and breathe. Give yourself some time to consider what you really want to get out of the internet marketing experience. This lifestyle is not meant for everyone and not every person is going to enjoy pushing others into buying stuff they may or may not need. You might want a more low key/passive way of earning money. If so, then look around for that. Or, maybe you just want to share your expertise online for no money. Just find out what is relevant to you and do that.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaleGeigero
    I would like to just find out how to start making say $23-50 a day. Being new to this industry it is quite scary to think how little i know
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  • Profile picture of the author multimastery
    Ok Zodiax, so it doesn't sound like you don't really hate or dislike making money - it just sounds like you hate the way you have to go about making money. Now I'm sure you, I and everyone else here knows it is a necessity in the World to make money. You just can't survive without it unless you have someone to pay your way. That's just how it is. But that's just the system we live in and it's not changing as far as I can see.

    So your best bet it to stop wasting your time even griping or posting about it, and just find you something - whether it be a job, business or other - that makes you fulfilled enough to appreciate your earnings in exchange for the service or products that you provide. Look at it this way: Money is just another commodity, just like food, jewelry, valuables, or whatever... And if people feel that the product/service that you provide is more valuable than than money they're holding, then they will happily trade in their money for what you have to offer them. It's a fair exchange. Simple as that.

    So don't focus on making money, but rather, focus on providing value to peoples' lives. And by going about it this way, I don't think you'll have any problem with the money that flows your way.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zodiax
    Hey guys,

    Sorry for this thread. I was pissed.

    Im going to go back at try this for the 100th time.

    Im stubborn as a mule.

    Insanity all the way.

    This time Im going to stick out one program until I make a clickbank sale.

    I have made 0 clickbank sales to date.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    Originally Posted by Zodiax View Post

    I am really fed up with money.

    I think real value is getting up with the intention of transforming someone else's life, and not think about how much money they will be worth on your list.
    Money is a strange thing indeed. Its presence doesn't guarantee happiness but
    its absence can make you really miserable. So there is a danger on each
    extreme. So why not be happy with neither poverty nor riches but with
    your daily bread.

    Two things I asked of You, Do not refuse me before I die: Keep deception and lies far from me, Give me neither poverty nor riches; Feed me with the food that is my portion, That I not be full and deny You and say, "Who is the LORD?" Or that I not be in want and steal, And profane the name of my God.…- Lemuel (Proverbs 30:7-9)
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    • Profile picture of the author pcumm200
      Be content with what you have and strive for success in every avenue of your life. It's a big life if you grab it and run!
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