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Warrior Forum: Good Teaching Tool or Just Good Entertainment?

by The Niche Man
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I've noticed two schools of thought lately. One is the assumption that the warrior forum is a good place to learn internet marketing. In fact, I've personally recommended it to many newbies who were broke to simply spend time reading warrior forum threads as a beginning education ....instead spending their last rent or food money on stuff. A few have criticized me for that. That's O.K I'm a big boy I can take it.

The other school says the Warrior Forum can be misleading for newbies because it's laced with a lot of bad, misleading and inaccurate information. Because of the climate, that alone is dangerous for most newbies to depend on.

What's your thoughts on the subject. Can a newbie get a good basic education from reading through the W.F threads alone, not as a replacement for "paid" info - but as a start?

Agree or disagree, thanks for adding to the discussion.

It would be nice to hear from newbies and oldies to give balance to the discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author butters
    I would say for a newbie just starting out it becomes a hinderance in some aspects, the forum isn't exactly structured to teach newbies what to do and the basics, there are better free resources out there which do that. Where the warrior forum becomes powerful is after a few months of learning the basics, they can then ask questions on what they are doing wrong/right etc... and be told by people who has been doing that technique for years. Over time they will be able to develop and learn new types of business models and every now and again you get that one post which truly impacts your overall business. Would I recommend it to someone completely green, nope, I would say go there in a couple of months when you know what you actually want to do. When you know, the community will enhance.
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    • Profile picture of the author DieselFit
      This is actually a really good question. I'm a complete noob, and I'm lazy. To make it worse, I get super frustrated when there's answers that go against other answers.

      Don't get me wrong, Warriorforum is a great place. Sometimes opportunities do present themselves here. And the info provided here are great in the sense that they help get people started.

      But I find this community to be just like any other community, there's no rules set in stone. Experimenting and implementing different things to see what gets the clock ticking seems to be the best thing for anything.

      So I guess it's both, entertainment and a great teaching tool.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
        Originally Posted by DieselFit View Post

        This is actually a really good question. I'm a complete noob, and I'm lazy. To make it worse, I get super frustrated when there's answers that go against other answers.

        Don't get me wrong, Warriorforum is a great place. Sometimes opportunities do present themselves here. And the info provided here are great in the sense that they help get people started.

        But I find this community to be just like any other community, there's no rules set in stone. Experimenting and implementing different things to see what gets the clock ticking seems to be the best thing for anything.

        So I guess it's both, entertainment and a great teaching tool.
        The answer to your problem is pick 1 or 2 people in here that resonate with you and listen to them

        You can use those 2 or even 3 peoples answers on things to measure other responses.

        Using a forum like this one is like going to a seminar with 15 speakers all telling you there way is the best way, well as an ex seminar promoter I will tell you the same thing I told people who attended my events.

        there are a 1000 way to do this, pick a way and a speaker (in your case poster) whose method suits you and follow that way all the way

        Get really good at one method, then dabble in some of the others later
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Another factor one needs to keep in mind is the calendar.

          Advice/teaching that was dead on a couple of years ago will be harmful now, especially when it comes down to tactics. This gets complicated when someone resurrects an ancient thread to drop a link or a promo, and the post gets deleted. Finding that thread on the front page, one could assume that it's pretty current.

          Open it up, not notice the date on the thread, and you could find yourself following advice that will kill your business. I imagine that if I could go back far enough, I could find perfectly reasonable sounding advice on using newsgroups and FreeForAll links pages. Of course, both of those options were spammed out of existence years ago.

          I'm with Mr. Puddy on this one - find someone with a record of knowing of what they speak who resonates with you, and follow them.
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  • Profile picture of the author LGSresources
    I think the forum is a fantastic tool to learn from, but for the complete newbie there are a lot of dangers:

    *The inherent need for a magic bullet - that one system that will make $1,000s every day - many people use this hope to promote their products at the expense of newbies.
    *Information overload and lack of direction - sure you can get a good basic education but most people spend far more time "learning" when they should start doing.
    *Takes a while to figure out who knows what they're talking about.
    *Many conflicting opinions.

    For this reason if someone was completely new I would still recommend them to read the forum (as even with these pitfalls there are many great lessons to be learnt) but it is best when supplemented with the opinion of a coach, mentor or friend who has already had experience in IM and can act as a guide.

    Of course the best way to learn is stop reading and get out there and try something!

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  • Profile picture of the author KingBeven
    As a newbie myself it, I found the information on Warrior Forum to be of great benefit to me, never mind the cool people I have been able to connect with ... No one has offer me any advice that I could not reuse in real life...

    People that say the information is misleading, I think is probably trying to redirect traffic or is stuck on information overload. Lets face it... When you kick off there is allot to go trough and it can very quickly become to much... I am sure we all have been there...

    This is the thing though - It is important for new and old to realize that not all strategies might work for everyone and it might take some time for you to figure out what is what and what is not, but I call that a learning curve, something else we all have in common!!!

    My 2 cents is added, let the tankers thank and the rest WELL...
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    Great, thought-provoking post, The Niche Man.

    I'm on your side here. Having been in the business for 20 years, the majority of what I know comes from free sources (forums like WF, blogs, online discussions, chatting at conventions); the rest comes from trial and error and paid sources. The vast majority of e-Books either cover information already freely available or, worse, are out-and-out cons. The same can be said of coaching, in the vast majority. Does this mean paid information is useless? Certainly not: I've received some real finance-altering information that I had to pay to receive. In general, to any newbie, I would ALWAYS suggest utilizing free sources like WF. Yes, some information can mislead, and is intended to do so, but the majority of it is well-intentioned and informative.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    I have to disagree on this and say that WF is actually a great place for Newbies to learn the basics.
    IMO where WF falls down and this started a few years ago is that there is very little for the intermediate to advanced marketer to gain.

    It's mostly all the same basic questions with the same or very similar answers day after day. There is not much in the way of ground breaking/ new information and it's been that way for a while....
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Does not the noob bring something along?

    See, it probably is more about WHO the noob be...not what the forum has to offer.

    A 20 year old and a 30 year old are very different and a person who has owned or started a business and had/has success is a totally different animal than the high school kid.

    So, I say. "You'll find what you bring along."

    got good study habits? apply what you learn? not afraid to fail? not afraid to succeed?

    Like in all of life,

    if you don't know where you're going
    you'll get where you are OR

    The new person to Internet Marketing with the clear vision of what the goal is will benefit far faster from the WF than the one who is floundering in life.

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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      I think a lot of the older Warriors use it as a form of entertainment in a lot of cases. To see or even mock what the newbies (or people just newer than them) are talking about.

      Sometimes, if you're not careful W.F can be like the online marketers version of a reality t.v show or soap opera.

      For example,

      • You can often be tempted to tune in to find out what happened next, who's talking about what or who.
      • What a certain person said or wrote today, etc.
      • Who thanked who ... for what.
      • What different people said about a question that's been asked a million times before.
      • Who'll make a statement today that'll have you rolling on the floor or rolling your eyes, slapping your forehead or the thank you button.
      • After a while you notice when certain people stop posting, but when they post you don't notice them as much. Why is that?
      • You also notice the people who ask questions and those who never ask, they only answer or give one sentence quips.
      • You notice the ones who always seem angry, frustrated or impatient. But yet something keeps pulling them back to answer (sigh) another silly question (to them).
      • You'll notice which Old School warriors like to flash their post count like a skinny security guard trying to intimidate newbies into submission.

      All this can make for entertainment to some and distraction for others if you're not careful.

      But used wisely it can be one of the best ways to be entertained while being educated or helping to inform others, I.M.O.

      At the very least you're being educated on what other internet marketers are thinking at-a-glance and On demand.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnnyPlan
        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        I think a lot of the older Warriors use it as a form of entertainment in a lot of cases. To see or even mock what the newbies (or people just newer than them) are talking about.

        Sometimes, if you're not careful W.F can be like the online marketers version of a reality t.v show or soap opera.

        For example,

        • You can often be tempted to tune in to find out what happened next, who's talking about what or who.
        • What a certain person said or wrote today, etc.
        • Who thanked who ... for what.
        • What different people said about a question that's been asked a million times before.
        • Who'll make a statement today that'll have you rolling on the floor or rolling your eyes, slapping your forehead or the thank you button.
        • After a while you notice when certain people stop posting, but when they post you don't notice them as much. Why is that?
        • You also notice the people who ask questions and those who never ask, they only answer or give one sentence quips.
        • You notice the ones who always seem angry, frustrated or impatient. But yet something keeps pulling them back to answer (sigh) another silly question (to them).
        • You'll notice which Old School warriors like to flash their post count like a skinny security guard trying to intimidate newbies into submission.

        All this can make for entertainment to some and distraction for others if you're not careful.

        But used wisely it can be one of the best ways to be entertained while being educated or helping to inform others, I.M.O.

        At the very least you're being educated on what other internet marketers are thinking at-a-glance and On demand.
        And, what you've said here is true, how many of us get involved on an emotional level with this forum; coming here to see updates or checking in (not just to learn), but to see what new things our 'friends' have said. And, you get that with Facebook as well, but the main difference is how Facebook won't teach you anything. There is still a very good chance to learning something here on Warrior forum if a person will take time to read, learn and apply techniques, not just play politics and rehash the same myths that others are spreading around. There's still lots of good things to be gained from Warrior forum, or else why would we all keep coming back?
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    In my opinion warriorforum is a good place to start learning, there is a fair bit of good threads and let's face it, for free there is great value on here.

    Not all threads are great, but this is the same everywhere. I have yet to find a free forum with as much good information as WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    The forum is what you make of it. It's very useful for information and it's also great for entertainment. If you're a newbie, you need to do a lot of reading to understand what's on offer but that's not a negative.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradCarroll
    I think anyone can get a great education here for surprisingly cheap IF they think in terms of wanting to start a real business (as opposed to "I want to make some cash online!".)

    There is definitely a high noise-to-signal ratio here these days. But I believe anyone with the right mindset can come here and learn quite a bit in a very short period of time.

    If nothing else, you can see some pretty raw examples of online direct marketing in the WSO forum!
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by BradCarroll View Post

      I think anyone can get a great education here for surprisingly cheap IF they think in terms of wanting to start a real business (as opposed to "I want to make some cash online!".)
      Good distinction between those wanting to start a real business as opposed to those just wanting to make some cash online. I'm surprised how many of the latter exist in a market that demands business fundamentals to be followed. Many don't, which explains the extremely high failure rate.

      The more competitive the market gets, the less forgiving it is to those who take short-cuts, wing-it or try to jimmy-the-lock.
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      • Profile picture of the author marthaross
        Forums are messy sometimes. Some people keep on placing useless, confusing information in threads. Although Warrior Forum has rules for this but you can't completely regulate the Internet. Well, for newbies, you just have to pick the most proper thread. It's still educational because some things here are not what you read in books. Real conversations will make you smarter after all. Just pick the best ones.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bronwyn and Keith
        Is it business fundamentals that are the real, underlying issue or the inability to understand the reality of delayed gratification?


        The later as you call them are in lots of cases the norm these days and expect instant results and that in our view hinders more people than not.

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        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        Good distinction between those wanting to start a real business as opposed to those just wanting to make some cash online. I'm surprised how many of the latter exist in a market that demands business fundamentals to be followed. Many don't, which explains the extremely high failure rate.

        The more competitive the market gets, the less forgiving it is to those who take short-cuts, wing-it or try to jimmy-the-lock.
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  • Profile picture of the author stews
    The WF is a good source for IM information for old and new marketers. The more one learns good and bad will only help. Knowledge used properly can only be a plus.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      The Warrior Forum is no different than any other similar platform. There are all kinds of people here with varying desires, motives, and purposes, not to mention varying skill sets, abilities, and knowledge of marketing.

      By spending time here, watching and observing what's going on, and studying the posts on particular topics, anyone can begin to sort through the clutter and get a good idea of who is worth following and who isn't.

      There are endless ways to make money online. Usually those who are successful in their own business will choose a particular business model and strategy, become a student of that method, and then take action to apply the principles and techniques learned.

      Remember, you don't have to know everything about IM to make money. You just have to get good at what you have chosen to do. So focus on the tasks at hand and don't pay attention to all the extraneous fluff and clutter that every forum collects.

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      • Profile picture of the author ChrisEllgood
        It depends on the type of newbie.

        You could get a guy that is level-headed and has common sense. He'll read up on the basics, try making a few dollars online and build it up from there.

        Then you have the newbie that goes straight for the shiny "$1000 dollars per day after 7 days!" scams. These guys will attempt what they're told, fail and complain it's impossible to make money online. I've seen many sites made by this type of guy stating the WF is a total scam.

        WF is a great resource for learning IM. It all comes down to the learner.
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    It is also easy to know when a newbie is undergoing a training program by the kind of question one asks. It gets even more interesting to see the follow up comment the OP makes. One will figure out what the person is trying to achieve..
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    • Profile picture of the author kilgore
      There's certainly good information in the WF, but as others have pointed out there's a lot of misinformation too.

      The main problem I have with the WF is that there are just too many people trying to sell you stuff, thus it too often feels less like a community of people trying to help each other grow their businesses and more like a shark tank full of shysters, charlatans and cyber-snakeoil salesmen trying to make a quick buck off of peope who don't know any better.

      It's no accident that when a new user asks for advice and they will often get a response from someone with a name like SEOguru saying that they absolutely must work on increasing their search engine rankings and another response saying that what they really need is a coach from someone who just happens to offer coaching services.

      A fair bit of my time is spent on technical projects and so like any techie who doesn't know everything about everything, I visit a lot of tech forums such as StackExchange. The difference between those and the WF is stark, and the main difference is that sites like the StackExchange, nobody is trying to sell you anything: no WSOs, no ads in people's signatures and no not-so-subtle hints in posts that what people need just happens to be the thing I'm selling.

      I also find it interesting that while it's easy to get 1,000,000 opinions on what someone new to IM should do, it's actually pretty hard for someone with an already successful venture to get advice on how to make it better. My gut feeling is that this is because so many of the people selling things (1) don't have any experience running a truly successful venture and (2) know they won't be able to con someone who actually knows what they're doing.

      All that said, I'm not saying that the WF doesn't have any value at all -- if it didn't I wouldn't be here! But I think it can be a dangerous place for a newbie and I'm guessing for a lot of them (though certainly not all), it does more harm than good, feeding them a diet of misinformation as well as empty promises of easy and instant riches.
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      • Profile picture of the author salegurus
        Originally Posted by kilgore View Post


        The main problem I have with the WF is that there are just too many people trying to sell you stuff, thus it too often feels less like a community of people trying to help each other grow their businesses and more like a shark tank full of shysters, charlatans and cyber-snakeoil salesmen trying to make a quick buck off of peope who don't know any better.
        Totally agree, that's why you have so may "Yes Men" on these forums, they have a vested interest...

        Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

        It's no accident that when a new user asks for advice and they will often get a response from someone with a name like SEOguru saying that they absolutely must work on increasing their search engine rankings and another response saying that what they really need is a coach from someone who just happens to offer coaching services.
        To my point that although great for beginners WF offers very little for the more advanced IM's...
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  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    There's a lot of great information here for newbies and it's a great place to get your feet wet and gather a bit of information before embarking on your MMO journey. A lot of people got their start from the information they found here, myself included.

    It can also be a dangerous place for people new to the game because it's all too easy to get sucked into expensive programs or to end up paying for coaching that may or may not steer you in the right direction. When half the people in here are constantly bragging about how much money they're making, newbies can end up getting pulled in all directions trying to keep up.

    I spent a while here in the beginning, but soon found myself overwhelmed by all of the how-to threads and good and bad advice. I gathered as much knowledge as I could from posts by experienced Warriors and then left the forum for several years to learn how to do things on my own. I didn't come back until I was making good money online and the only reason I'm here right now is because I feel I have something to offer the people who are struggling to get things right.

    There's a lot of good information here, but you've got to be able to filter out a lot of not-so-great information to find it. In order to get value from this forum, you've got to spend some time figuring out who's here to help and who's here for other reasons.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    The Warrior Forum is a great place to learn for a newbie, if they approach it the right way.

    Probably the best learning tool on the site is in the WSO section.

    Start studying how the best selling WSO's are setup, who emails for them, the one time offers behind the scenes, the ongoing sales process, the way someone follows-up after they sell.

    Pay attention to how someone offering a free WSO captures email addresses, and what they do with the list they create.

    The Warrior Forum is a marketer's playground packed with learning opportunities, if you take the time to look behind the scenes, instead of just reading posts.
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    Both and neither.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

      Both and neither.
      Wow. Don't over commit yourself now. Your comments are really ground breaking, radical and on the edge. Very risky and thought provoking. Thanks for taking such a firm stance on your beliefs, awesome.
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        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        Wow. Don't over commit yourself now. Your comments are really ground breaking, radical and on the edge. Very risky. Very thought provoking.
        To be clear, you don't deserve more of my time or attention.
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        • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
          Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

          To be clear, you don't deserve more of my time or attention.
          Appreciate you taking this much time out of your busy schedule. Stay safe.
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            Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

            Both and neither.
            Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

            To be clear, you don't deserve more of my time or attention.
            Good to see you're still your jovial self...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    I'm with Robert and John. Both are people on my watch list.

    One thing I have seen too many times is people that start threads saying the forum is not what it used to be in terms of quality, yet when pressed for specifics the same people bought-into a dream WSO without practicing "due diligence" even though I see a lot of threads with people that advice "due diligence." A closer look at the profiles of the people saying the forum is not what it used to be in terms of quality are people that recently joined and seldom joined threads, other than WSO threads, by asking questions and making positive contributions. Those people obviously did not follow the right people.

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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I feel like this place was great in 2011. And over time it's gotten a little diluted over time. I think a lot of threads needs to be "cleaned up" or "migrated". There's just too many threads of the same one.

    I don't really learn much here any more. People just go on here to get leads with their sig links. Probably why this place is great for the newbies who are desperate to make their first buck but even then can get tricked into something else.
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      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      And over time it's gotten a little diluted over time. I think a lot of threads needs to be "cleaned up" or "migrated".
      There's an option on this forum to Merge same/similar threads & it was broken shortly after the forum was bought. I stopped asking for it to be fixed since it's obviously not going to happen. It was a very useful tool especially on the SEO forum anytime a new Google algo rolls out (10 threads on the same subject).
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  • Profile picture of the author talfighel
    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    Can a newbie get a good basic education from reading through the W.F threads alone, not as a replacement for "paid" info - but as a start?
    There is just overwhelming info here on the forum.

    For someone new, I would just find a good mentor here in the forum and learn from them.

    There are also books on the market that you can get on Amazon.com.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    There is good and bad everywhere. I definitely believe that many people giving advice to others in this forum should not be doing so and are just regurgitating information they have heard elsewhere. There is definitely a lot of the blind leading the blind on forums like this.
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      There is definitely a lot of the blind leading the blind on forums like this.
      Spot on ...
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      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      There is definitely a lot of the blind leading the blind on forums like this.
      Epic braille?
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    WF is definitely entertaining and a great way to meet people in this biz.

    It's also a double-edged sword - can be extremely helpful but also has bad information.

    Overall, I'd say I've benefited far more from WF than it's done me wrong. For example, I paid a member for a consult or two who helped me break a long earnings plateau so that I've been in a steady trajectory ever since. I never would have met this person had it not been for the WF.

    I like the commercial aspect of the forum because I've purchased some good stuff and learned about good info products and software here. Sure, I've purchased duds, but again overall, given the thousands I've spent on info products and software, it's served me well.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      I've noticed the W.F members have gotten a little more tolerant of each other. Based on reading some of the "old school" threads.

      Discussions got pretty hot and heavy ( almost Jerry Springer-ish) back in the day.

      Name calling, character insults and threats from the head honcho's to boot people out if they don't cool it.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Pagulayan
    When I started online marketing about 3 years ago, I was lurking the WF (under a different username) for information on how to get started. And honestly, I feel like I was getting a TON of information that I don't need.

    In a sense, marketers trying to make a quick buck off of me lead me further away from what I was aiming for. They are those marketers selling 'how to make money' to make money.

    Realizing this (took me a long time), I stopped checking the forum altogether and focused on building a business.

    But now that I have a fair amount of experience and have learned to identify what good information is to what is just pure garbage, I find the forum to be valuable not just in information but also in networking with other marketers.

    So I guess newbie marketers just need to take each advice, each tactic, each technique, each info with a grain of salt.
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  • Profile picture of the author lastreporter
    I think you will get good and inaccurate info here. You should really be careful and double check any info you are thinking of acting on before taking action.

    Always examine the motives of those providing the info.

    Are they asking you to buy something? Have they given you any solid evidence that what they are suggesting really works?

    When I first came here I mistakenly believed that Google Adwords would not look poorly on a site promoting a Clickbank product because of various posters' recommendations and advice.

    So, I was shocked when the first day I promoted a Clickbank product using Adwords, Google canceled my account.

    Be careful and verify before trying.
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  • Profile picture of the author umen
    As newbie, sorry for being rude but
    i was reading this"Good Teaching Tool or Just Good Entertainment?" posts
    and saw some of your posts about once being new to all this IM stuff and how did you learn how to work ,
    im my self new to IM and want to start to learn can you people please give me few free resources or point me to the right thread's on where to start ?
    i mean really from the basics ( i don't expect to earn 1000$ in 7 days (: )
    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by umen View Post

      As newbie, sorry for being rude but
      i was reading this"Good Teaching Tool or Just Good Entertainment?" posts
      and saw some of your posts about once being new to all this IM stuff and how did you learn how to work ,
      im my self new to IM and want to start to learn can you people please give me few free resources or point me to the right thread's on where to start ?
      i mean really from the basics ( i don't expect to earn 1000$ in 7 days (: )
      Thanks!

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      • Profile picture of the author SFGary
        Originally Posted by JohnnyPlan View Post

        Even at this stage of my business, I'm still always learning new marketing techniques here and happy to be part of such a vibrant community. The thing that makes being on this forum so good is the instant feedback that you can get on any idea you might have. So, for a newcomer who is just testing the water of internet marketing, they can not only read over existing threads but pose questions and many of the veterans here will offer sage advice. Of course, there will always be the typical canned advice from some members, but that's something you can easily over look.

        What I look for when reading the threads are longer, more indepth responses. These type of responses catch my eye and I take time to read them, rather than skimming. Usually, the person who has taken the time to write more than a few lines (even up to a page) has some experience behind what they are saying.

        It's OK to take anything you read online with a grain of salt. For instance, don't invest $1000 into a business domain or idea just because you see it invested here. That's the advice I would give to anyone, not just a noobie. If you don't have money, it's worth taking time to read what's been said here, rather than buying something. Just be sure you pick a direction and put the ideas into motion. Otherwise all this great info will do you no good.
        Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

        This is an interesting thread and as a newbie I am afraid to take the plunge with a comment but here goes: As with most large forums there is an incredible amount of good to excellent advice but for a newbie its sometimes bewildering and in my case, after being looked down on in various tech forums for asking some basic question, I am hesitant to pursue a topic till I learn it. So I find something here that is incomprehensible to me, take "PBN" for example and I go "huh?" I search the forum, don't find a PBN 101or PBN for dummies easily so I Google the term and learn a bit by going to a few blogs. If not I would be spending an enormous amount of time wading through a ton of posts.

        As both Niche Man, JohnnyPlan and others have noted the information is here and even Marketers with experience learn some new stuff. However in some forums one or more experts with deep knowledge in a topic makes the effort to share and writes an article that could be an e-book. Smart Admins immediately put a Sticky on it and it lives forever, updated only by the original author or someone assigned to it. So whenever a newbie asks a basis question old(sorry) timers point them to study the Sticky and then ask questions. Yes, I saw the All In Ones but I am talking the even more basic stuff.
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        • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
          Originally Posted by SFGary View Post

          This is an interesting thread and as a newbie I am afraid to take the plunge with a comment but here goes: As with most large forums there is an incredible amount of good to excellent advice but for a newbie its sometimes bewildering and in my case, after being looked down on in various tech forums for asking some basic question, I am hesitant to pursue a topic till I learn it. So I find something here that is incomprehensible to me, take "PBN" for example and I go "huh?" I search the forum, don't find a PBN 101or PBN for dummies easily so I Google the term and learn a bit by going to a few blogs. If not I would be spending an enormous amount of time wading through a ton of posts.

          As both Niche Man, JohnnyPlan and others have noted the information is here and even Marketers with experience learn some new stuff. However in some forums one or more experts with deep knowledge in a topic makes the effort to share and writes an article that could be an e-book. Smart Admins immediately put a Sticky on it and it lives forever, updated only by the original author or someone assigned to it. So whenever a newbie asks a basis question old(sorry) timers point them to study the Sticky and then ask questions. Yes, I saw the All In Ones but I am talking the even more basic stuff.
          Yes, SFGary:

          One of the best ways to approach the W.F is to come here for ideas that spark your interest and then research them deeper ... for yourself!

          Yes, you can ask for opinions, experiences and even advice. But that should only be the begining of your research - before coming to a final conclusion or taking again ... not the end.

          That should be the disclaimer under every post in this forum, in my opinion. That alone would save tons of members time, money and frustration.

          Remember: After you read an answer, opinion or piece of advice in this Warrior Forum from anyone - including me ... "V.I.P" it!

          "Verify, Investigate, Prove".

          See that as part of your job as an entrepreneur, it's the price of admission to success and insurance against failure..
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    Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

    I've noticed two schools of thought lately. One is the assumption that the warrior forum is a good place to learn internet marketing. In fact, I've personally recommended it to many newbies who were broke to simply spend time reading warrior forum threads as a beginning education ....instead spending their last rent or food money on stuff. A few have criticized me for that. That's O.K I'm a big boy I can take it.

    The other school says the Warrior Forum can be misleading for newbies because it's laced with a lot of bad, misleading and inaccurate information. Because of the climate, that alone is dangerous for most newbies to depend on.

    What's your thoughts on the subject. Can a newbie get a good basic education from reading through the W.F threads alone, not as a replacement for "paid" info - but as a start?

    Agree or disagree, thanks for adding to the discussion.

    It would be nice to hear from newbies and oldies to give balance to the discussion.
    There's a philosophical aspect to this question that makes it impossible to be answered with a "agree" or "disagree."

    It depends on your expectations going into this. If you expect to find a magic button, lottery ticket business idea which dumps loads of cash into your lap like a broken slot machine, simply by clicking a few buttons, this forum can be a damn dangerous place.

    But if you come here with a solid grasp on a few fundamental principles of human nature and economics, there are some diamonds hidden in this coal mine.

    I believe Mr. Emerson summed it up....

    “As to the methods there may be a million and then some, but principles are few. The man who grasps principles can successfully select his own methods. The man who tries methods, ignoring principles, is sure to have trouble.”

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  • Profile picture of the author Esteban Gomez
    I think the Warrior Forum is not exactly thr place for newbies to learn about internet marketing.

    Its rather a place for internet marketers with more knowledge to ask more advanced questions and get quick answers.

    It can be misleading for newbies because people have diferent answers for the same question so they don't know which advice to follow and get frustrated.

    My advice for newbies would be to find a mentor that can help them start from zero and then come to the forum to check for doubts.
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by Esteban Gomez View Post

      I think the Warrior Forum is not exactly thr place for newbies to learn about internet marketing.

      Its rather a place for internet marketers with more knowledge to ask more advanced questions and get quick answers.

      Dear lord have you read through the Main Forum lately?
      It's nothing but newbie questions, as for the advanced questions LOL....
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      • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

        Dear lord have you read through the Main Forum lately?
        It's nothing but newbie questions, as for the advanced questions LOL....
        Valid point. So, why don't more advanced people ask the "advanced" questions?
        Newbies certainly can't? Any thoughts or theories?
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

          Valid point. So, why don't more advanced people ask the "advanced" questions?
          Newbies certainly can't? Any thoughts or theories?
          DubDub touched on it above. Lots of people trying to "fake it 'til they make it" in an effort to position themselves as advanced.

          Those people either can't or won't ask more advanced questions, as "real gurus" already know all the answers.

          And advanced people, at least the ones who have been around for awhile, know what kind of answers they'll get from the wannabe gurus.

          I think a lot of the advanced discussion takes place via PM and off-board between individuals who have learned to respect the opinions of the people they approach.

          The War Room was originally conceived as the place for more advanced discussion before it turned into the WSO Graveyard.
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          • Profile picture of the author Robert Puddy
            Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

            DubDub touched on it above. Lots of people trying to "fake it 'til they make it" in an effort to position themselves as advanced.

            Those people either can't or won't ask more advanced questions, as "real gurus" already know all the answers.

            And advanced people, at least the ones who have been around for awhile, know what kind of answers they'll get from the wannabe gurus.

            I think a lot of the advanced discussion takes place via PM and off-board between individuals who have learned to respect the opinions of the people they approach.

            The War Room was originally conceived as the place for more advanced discussion before it turned into the WSO Graveyard.
            yes what we need is a GOB forum (good old boys) which is invite only, you cant buy your way in, and you only get invited in if your obviously very good at what you do.

            A place for smart people to do business together, with the caveat that you at least stay helpful in the main forum as pro bono work.

            PS: make it invisible to anyone not invited in, so folks don't cry elitism. But that way some of the more experienced marketers that used to be here would see a reason to stay around
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            • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
              Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

              yes what we need is a GOB forum (good old boys)
              Sorry Robert I know you meant well, but that phrase "Good Old Boys", makes many people uncomfotable in this country (Women and Minorities) because of its spotted history. But I get
              your meaning.
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            • Profile picture of the author kilgore
              Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

              yes what we need is a GOB forum (good old boys) which is invite only, you cant buy your way in, and you only get invited in if your obviously very good at what you do.

              A place for smart people to do business together, with the caveat that you at least stay helpful in the main forum as pro bono work.

              PS: make it invisible to anyone not invited in, so folks don't cry elitism. But that way some of the more experienced marketers that used to be here would see a reason to stay around
              You didn't realize that there already was a hidden forum like that? Maybe you just didn't get the secret invite

              Seriously though, can't you just create an invite-only group here if that's what you want? I'm actually a little surprised that nobody's done that already. And who cares about being seen as elitist? If it's useful people will want to join, if it's not they won't participate. But I also agree with the Niche Man that you might want to re-think the name!

              That said, I wonder how much value an "advanced group" or whatever you'd call it would have. Part of what holds me back -- both from posting questions and from answering them -- is that I guard my identity pretty carefully. And I have a feeling that most successful people here -- at least those outside of the MMO niche -- do too. I couldn't care less if people here know my income, traffic stats or any of that. But I'll never divulge my niche, the demographics I target or the types of products I sell -- let alone the website I run. And the problem is that no two successful businesses are alike and what works for one demographic or market might be completely inappropriate in another. Advanced topics are necessarily nuanced -- and for both questions or responses to be useful, you really need the sorts of details that people like me aren't willing to provide.
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            • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
              Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

              yes what we need is a GOB forum (good old boys) which is invite only
              A forum for good old boys? It would be dominated by get rich quick scammers talking about how to dupe the common members.

              The good old boys and their old ways have slowly been pushed out. They will, thankfully, never be able to recreate the level of scamming that went on here in the past when this place was a heavily guarded sandbox of brainwashed newbies to sell to.

              The effects of that sandboxing effort linger still today. The new owners don't seem to be protecting the establishment though, which had been the status-quo. The atmoshphere here is changing for the better. Slowly. But it is changing.
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            • Profile picture of the author parushing
              Originally Posted by Robert Puddy View Post

              yes what we need is a GOB forum (good old boys) which is invite only, you cant buy your way in, and you only get invited in if your obviously very good at what you do.

              A place for smart people to do business together, with the caveat that you at least stay helpful in the main forum as pro bono work.

              PS: make it invisible to anyone not invited in, so folks don't cry elitism. But that way some of the more experienced marketers that used to be here would see a reason to stay around
              You already tried something like that. How did that work out for you? FKH and NMF ring a bell?

              If you want to learn how to do something, get off your ass and do it.
              You may fail. Figure out what did not work and run at it again. Lather,
              rinse and repeat.

              Here is a big hint for the newbies.. Stay the **** out of the Make Money Online Niche.

              There is a whole lot more money made selling **** berry reloads and arbitraging (is that a word?)
              dating offers. Then again those are saturated to hell and back too.

              And Mr Puddy. There are forums like you describe. You just would never
              get an invitation. You would be torn to shreds to run back here to your
              place of self perceived importance.

              Big tip to newbies. If people are talking about their niches in a forum they
              are either complete morons or getting ready to try to shit you out of a bunch
              of cash to buy their "system". More than likely its the former.

              I personally turn low 6 figures online and I would never tell a soul how I did
              it or what niches I operate in. Why invite the competition...

              Back to planning my Vegas trip...
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              • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
                Originally Posted by parushing View Post


                Big tip to newbies. If people are talking about their niches in a forum they
                are either complete morons or getting ready to try to shit you out of a bunch
                of cash to buy their "system". More than likely its the former.

                I personally turn low 6 figures online and I would never tell a soul how I did
                it or what niches I operate in. Why invite the competition...

                Back to planning my Vegas trip...

                I understand your point to a certain extent. Don't tell the world your combination to the safe, bank acct numbers or secret sauce recipe, but keeping what you do secret is not always the sign of a moron as you put it.

                People can share what they do without sharing their in house or operational secrets. You know what most brick and mortar businesses do don't you? You may even know who their suppliers are, customers and what their marketing strategies are.

                You don't think Wendy's know what Mc Donald's does and how it operates, or Chrysler knows what Toyota does, etc. Knowing what a person does and being able to execute it is two different things.

                Plus, 80% of internet marketers are too lazy for me to ever worry about them out working me. In fact, if most knew how hard I worked they'd run away screaming to their Mama. And the other 15% are too busy working themselves, the rest of the 5% lay on the beach counting their millions - not trying to find a rip off.
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        • Profile picture of the author salegurus
          Originally Posted by The Niche Man View Post

          Valid point. So, why don't more advanced people ask the "advanced" questions?
          Newbies certainly can't? Any thoughts or theories?
          I can't do better than Johns answer...
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Entry level newbies and the people who sell to them will all say WF is a great teaching tool. Beyond that, the teaching/learning value perception is questionable. And that will remain the case as long as sigs are active. There are way too many idiots running around here providing advice hoping to position themselves as THE MAN and draw sig clicks. But that's also where the "entertainment" label comes from. So it's kind of a catch-22.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnnyPlan
    Even at this stage of my business, I'm still always learning new marketing techniques here and happy to be part of such a vibrant community. The thing that makes being on this forum so good is the instant feedback that you can get on any idea you might have. So, for a newcomer who is just testing the water of internet marketing, they can not only read over existing threads but pose questions and many of the veterans here will offer sage advice. Of course, there will always be the typical canned advice from some members, but that's something you can easily over look.

    What I look for when reading the threads are longer, more indepth responses. These type of responses catch my eye and I take time to read them, rather than skimming. Usually, the person who has taken the time to write more than a few lines (even up to a page) has some experience behind what they are saying.

    It's OK to take anything you read online with a grain of salt. For instance, don't invest $1000 into a business domain or idea just because you see it invested here. That's the advice I would give to anyone, not just a noobie. If you don't have money, it's worth taking time to read what's been said here, rather than buying something. Just be sure you pick a direction and put the ideas into motion. Otherwise all this great info will do you no good.
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  • Profile picture of the author Emir Hayric
    If you can pick apart the obscene amount of information available here and sort it then it helps a lot. I bookmark different thread into different folders so that I can refer to them later. Sometime a long thread has a few golden nuggets in it which I just copy into Google Keep so my notes are organized.
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  • Profile picture of the author hometutor
    There are so many good books by The Donald (Donald Trump) Dale Carnegie etc.. I'd start with those to make sure someone has a basic knowledge of business THEN read the WarriorForum. As an in home computer tutor here in Honolulu Hawaii full time since 2009 I've had to learn to assume absolutely nothing about knowledge. Hence I cannot assume someone visiting the WF knows the slightest thing about business and could therefore either be easily confused or justify what he/she is doing whether right or wrong because he/she read it in the WarrirorForum.

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    • Profile picture of the author Daniel Evans
      Originally Posted by hometutor View Post

      There are so many good books by The Donald (Donald Trump) Dale Carnegie etc.. I'd start with those to make sure someone has a basic knowledge of business THEN read the WarriorForum.
      I think it's unrealistic to expect someone to skip using a free,modern day, accessible resource in favour of reading books exclusively.

      It might even take someone to participate in the WF for months before they stumble upon the very advice you've just given to read certain books...
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  • Profile picture of the author aishaaiyana
    Though I joined a few times ago. hence, I found it is a good informative forum. Here there are many experts. I think if I touch to them, I will be able to learn many things. Thanks every one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Assignmentwriter
    Warrior forum is best for both newbie plus expert marketers, wf do not miss guide any member.
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  • Profile picture of the author ianeire
    Go looking for good posters and follow them, the forum has gotten so big it was always going to get diluted with rubbish and sales sharks. But dig a little deeper and there is gold to be found, incredible contacts to be made and networking opportunities you will not find in too many other places.
    Common sense should be mandatory for just having an internet connection, let alone joining WF!
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  • Profile picture of the author icykalimu
    I think it's a good teaching tool. You can learn something from warrior forum. But because there are too many information, sometimes you will confuse about what's right or wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheDigerati
    Its a good Learning tool and entertainment at the same time. A Little bit of both. It nice to learn in an entertaining environment.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Niche Man
      Originally Posted by TheDigerati View Post

      Its a good Learning tool and entertainment at the same time. A Little bit of both. It nice to learn in an entertaining environment.
      That's a good point. But I have to control the entertainment part. It's easy to come here when you can convince yourself you're learning or making money, etc. But if you let the entertainment factor seduce you to stay too long it's guaranteed to affect your work productivity. So, I have guidelines so I'm not using it's entertainment factor as an excuse for not working. It even involves a stop watch. That's all I'll reveal.

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  • Profile picture of the author visimedia
    when it comes to self-education, people have their own ways best communication medium, auditory, visual through video, some people can read well (I'm a slow reader but I read still), regardless of what their level of expertise are now.

    Combining fun and valuable content is the key to accelerate education, how lil kids are learning new stuff at school? They play to learn. It's fun, live experience than just reading and knowing the theory.

    The only way why newbie will never be successful through just reading the threads in WF is simply because they just read it, never implement and that's it.
    Lots of people are paralyzed and overwhelmed by their knowledge and information.

    The only way to fix it, is to challenge people, push people, to put into actions of what they know towards their goal. That's my opinion.
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    I read the forum for business entertainment.
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