I think the only ppl making real money are the ones selling the *how to do niche sites*

If you need convincing, why not do it yourself? All the instruction you need is here in the forums, and you don't need to spend money.

Put fourth the effort and see what your capable of doing yourself. What's stopping you?

Marketing is all about story telling. The greatest story ever told will be the most successful one.

To be honest, most opportunities and products do work but it all depends on the user/entrepreneur how to make it work.

Most people quit before they see the success and you cant blame them because of the overhype promises of these products and affiliates. You cannot blame the marketer leveraging the product as well by using the most attractive story to tell that is not common success story.

If a promoter does this, their campaign is failure to begin with.

Why show mediocre results if you want superstar income?

The marketers that takes massive action to produce massive results will succeed.

A marketer like pat flynn knows this best and he is not afraid of failure at all. In fact he loves to document this and learns from it and shows what solution he did on that situation.

This is what a leader is all about and leaders will be the ones making millions and not developing the shiny product syndrome like 90% of the fishes in this online marketing game

Have fun and play it!

Joe

I think it's probably true that you can make more money in showing other people how to do it, than in doing it yourself.

But you can make decent money with niche sites. I do it myself.

I'm sure you are correct. And I say...

That's great!

Most people who make their money training astronauts have never been to the moon.

If someone consistently earns $1 a day I'd be happy to pay him $5, $10 or even more for him to tell me how to do it.

George Wright

If actually look at his earning reports, you'll see that he has a lot going on in general. There's nothing wrong with creating a product teaching you how to make money with niche sites if you're actually making money with niche sites outside of IM, which he is. I also know people who make lots of money with having PLR stores that teach you how to make money with PLR stores. That's how it should be.

When you decide to create a product, you should do it based on something that you know and actually put into practice, so that you can provide real-life examples of stuff within the course. There are people making money other ways, too (like with Kindle) and what not. You just have to find those people and products and take it from there. You have to figure out what you're into and implement it.

Joey

I began doing niche sites around 18 / 19 years ago. They make money.

What's wrong with the *how to do niche sites*? Shovel sellers almost always make more than the shovel diggers. Start your own *how to do niche site* and do what the successful people do.

Oddly enough... you will find that these same techniques apply (and often much better) in super small niches.

You can definitely make a lot of money from Niche Sites - it is one of the best ways to make money online.

I'm a fan and follower of Pat Flynn - he knows what he talks about. He has made a lot of money from niche sites - so that alone is proof. If you want more proof then you should try it yourself.

Apply exactly what they teach, find a profitable niche, and just get the results yourself. You will get a better answer that way.

And of course they also make a lot of money selling their courses on how to do this. That is also a niche if you think about it. The "How to make money with niche sites" Niche. LOL

Anyways .. I hope this helps!

I wish you the best online!

Cheers!

If people had a mandatory live ticker next to their avatars showing their earnings from actually DOING niche sites, it'd be a ghost town around here. Not saying that there isn't any true success among niche sites. But anybody can say anything any time they want. Not a darn thing you can say to challenge them.

As far as teaching it? There is money in regurgitating theory and lingo! They make it into an info "product" with a "launch" and "jv partners" and a link in their sig.

So, if you're just starting out, I'd put the hype aside for a sec and do some math and in depth research without any outside influence.

What are your niche options?
What does the demand look like? Keywords, Community, Social etc.
Can you pinpoint with accuracy who your target is and where they are?
Can you identify their demand points? Would they pay to have their demands met?
What does the competition look like? What cost/effort will be required to reach through them? Can you afford the cost and effort required to be noticed among the competition? Do you WANT to afford the cost and effort????

Once you have that research done start forecasting.
Do your keyword research to see where you could possibly rank and the potential traffic you might receive.
Estimate your potential social traffic.
Add in some paid traffic.
Sprinkle in some recurring traffic and list traffic.

What will your conversions look like? A sale? A subscription? A list member? A click away to an affiliate/cpa offer?

Take your potential conversion rates and net profit. What does that look like? Is it worth it?

I wouldn't spend too much time or money learning what other people (supposedly) did. If you go at it calculated with the stuff you already know, within a few months you'll have the best truth ever --- in your own experience.

There will always be people who want to learn how to make money online. That's why the MMO niche is really huge and lots of people competing in it and only some of those people are actually earning money. I'd rather earn money by offering quality products to help support the person who is already in business online. The people that I work with already know how to sell and who to sell to.

So, niche 'info' sites are not the only way to earn money online, neither is money making online courses.

Find a service or product that will make other people's lives easier and you will earn money from it.

First off I wouldn't buy any training/coaching or ebook about 'How to make a lot of money online'... why would anyone offer such a product/service anyway, they should just use their own strategy for making more money instead of selling this.

Most good advice can be found online for free! Quality seo sites, forums like warriorforum will help you in whatever you are trying to accomplish. I don't do anything in the money making niche or the seo niche and don't sell my own products... I have travel, fashion and shopping related websites that make a decent income from Adsense. Why wouldn't it be possible... just look at some adsense succes stories... same goes for affiliate products (works great together with fashion and travel niche). It's just about creating a really cool site and reaching out to others to gain exposure.

I'm sure there are people making money from niche sites and don't need to teach people how to do it.

Think about it.

And Pat is a bad example to use because his new software will probably earn more than all his other stuff put together.

They already have their sites making money. They have spare time to work on their hot to products

So keep going!

Yes, most people make money selling Videos/Audiobooks and PDF books. That 's how the market woks: people want solve problems--> you give them solutions sell your books etc/affiliate marketing btw most of "gurus" here are liers for me

Thanks for the replies everyone. Please remember that in my initial post, I was not saying people don't make money from niche sites. I was pointing out the fact that from my research online, people made more from telling others how to.
Thanks for taking the time to reply. Appreciated.

I my personal experience, I make a fraction from telling; far more from doing. Though, as I believe I've mentioned here or elsewhere, I've only been telling for 4 weeks and doing for 20 years. I can only speak for myself, but if I make public a system, method, whatever, I'm confident that there is no chance of saturation; either that or saturation is so limited, it's really of no concern. I expect, however, that many of the folks doing the telling are simply trying to earn a buck from doing so and have limited experience or success from doing whatever it is they preach.

You need convincing?

Will you pay me $1000 or $5000 or $10000 if I convince you?

First, you either do it or not. Nobody needs to convince you anything unless they will earn money from it, by selling their product. If you are not convinced by their sales materials, nobody can actually convince you.

Second, this is true. Most people are making money by teaching how to make money than by making money themselves. The guru selling a $10.000/month course will actually earn $10.000/month by selling that course.

It is a circular argument and a catch 22.

The only fields where this does not apply are those outside of biz op. It is hard to actually become a PUA by selling PUA guides but it is not hard at all to earn money by teaching others how to make money.

As far as that small group that actually made money before selling ways to make money, people like Eben Pagan who was making millions per month from Double Your Dating before he started Get Altitude and Guru Mastermind ... well, they are worth their weight in gold but they are a rare find.

After years in this field, almost a decade since I've heard about it for the first time, I've understood one thing. Promise someone that he can earn $10.000/month and even if he earns $1000/month, he'll buy all your products from now to the end of time. The idea that he CAN earn money is more important than how much.

This apples virtually to every niche. It is about overpromising and if you can deliver even at 10% of your promise, you are a hero. The bigger the promise, the smaller the investment, the less you can deliver.

Yes. People selling information products make money by providing solutions to solve the problems of the buyers. That is the reason How To Do niche sites can sell easily than other type of sites.

People searching to find solutions will usually use search engines to find solution and hence they usually land in the niche specific sites.

Thanks

If you can find a hungry market and are able to provide that market with products they end up drooling over, you can make thousands per month off niche marketing to non-IM markets. I've got a niche website that I set up recently that's already doing very well thanks to paid traffic that I'm sending to offers I've posted on the site.

I'm just getting started on niche marketing, but from what I've managed to do so far, I can without a doubt state it can be very profitable.

I have a wso coming soon called 'how to make money doing the thing you are telling other people how to do!' : )

The fact is that the "how to do" in any niche market is a potential money maker. The fact is that even in other niches marketers sell how to do something products. How to loose weight, how to get pregnant, how to get six pack abs, how to train a dumb dog and the how to goes on and on. The fact is that most people selling loose weight products may never have used what they sell possibly they were never fat or the seller might just be another fatso.Who cares? Provided that people get real time solutions to their pressing problems.

Just as it is to make money teaching how to MMO so easy it is to make money teaching people how to loose belly fat or any how to products.

I totally agree with the title of this thread that ppl making money are the ones selling how to niche sites.

Think about it. What incentive is there for someone who is raking $10k+ a month every month from having built niche sites to tell others? There isn't any apart from bragging rights and then an inbox filled with pms. If you're not selling something then why tell others?

Pat Flynn is a beast and deserves every dollar he earns.

Because of the moderate success he's been able to have with his niche sites and app business, he's been able to experience exceptional success because of his effectiveness in sharing his results and teaching his methods.

If you look real close, his affiliate revenue recommending tools and services he uses to run his niche sites is more than 80% of his total revenue month in and month out with his hosting commissions amounting to about half of his total monthly revenue.

Definitely a great model and he's someone totally worth emulating if that's what you want to do.

Your problem is most likely not being able to think like a business owner & falling back on the idea of an employee needing hand holding & instructions.

Why would anyone in their right minds open up their books on their niche sites just to convince you they're making money? Of course the only people disclosing earnings from niche sites are selling how-to information and coaching. Why else would anyone do it?

You're drawing your conclusions from an incomplete and biased sample.

An Internet Marketing Guru is called a guru because they have been successful in making
lots of money and have been in the game a long time. Selling coaching courses is just scaling up there game and a lot of money is to be made from these courses.

People making plenty of money from niche sites usually aren't the ones bothering to sell a course to naive IM noobs about how to do it. They just... do it.

I know a girl who was making more than 60k/year from a few niche sites she owns, last I talked to her. She's been building them for years and put tons of hard work into them. But one thing she never bothered to do was to scam people out of their money by promising them instant results like most of the WSO's on this website do.

our biggest niches are away from IM, and this sort of stuff.

We do $xx,xxx a month in a niche that I have never even seen talked about in the warrior forum. :-)

Its no use talking about THERE IS NO MONEY in other niches, when all you might have been exposed to is IM. I mean seriously.

Just look at how much money mike geary or a few other clickbank products owners have made in markets that are not IM..
Weigh loss/fitness niche is a bigger market than IM, and much more money has been made there than in IM.
IM is a decent market but so are Dating, weigh loss, muscle building, astrology/numerology/(add any bulshits-logy you want), stock trading, insurance, education, and then you have maybe some other maybe smaller markets with less competition that are also making money.

This concept of selling "how to" information is known as "selling the pickaxes and shovels" rather than digging for gold.

And obviously took place in the 19th Century California Gold Rush as well!

I personally believe that (in life), it's a good idea to make money by "implementing" as well as selling "how to" information.

There is nothing wrong with doing both.

But obviously, you need to make sure you "implement" first before going out there and selling the instructions!

Whenever there is a opportunity, why not they can teach and earn money. Thats what amazon kindle does right, so does for niche sites. Sure there are some loophole guys but not many i think.