I think the only ppl making real money are the ones selling the *how to do niche sites*

by smurff
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The Pat Flynns and the like are making more money from how to do this than actually doing niche sites.
Sure you can make $500 per month and yes if you have enough thats going to add up but making thousands per month on a niche site... I need convincing. Even these people that disclose the earnings about other niche sites they are doing, are ultimately selling a coaching course on how to do it.

Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author perryny
    If you need convincing, why not do it yourself? All the instruction you need is here in the forums, and you don't need to spend money.

    Put fourth the effort and see what your capable of doing yourself. What's stopping you?
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    • Profile picture of the author smurff
      Originally Posted by perryny View Post

      If you need convincing, why not do it yourself? All the instruction you need is here in the forums, and you don't need to spend money.

      Put fourth the effort and see what your capable of doing yourself. What's stopping you?
      Hi,
      After spending approx 3 months reading and watching, I started last week. So I will keep a log and let you know. But at this point in time I couldn't find evidence of people selling my type of info product and earning anything like *job leaving money*
      But I am motivated and committed so I will see how it goes.
      Thanks
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  • Marketing is all about story telling. The greatest story ever told will be the most successful one.

    To be honest, most opportunities and products do work but it all depends on the user/entrepreneur how to make it work.

    Most people quit before they see the success and you cant blame them because of the overhype promises of these products and affiliates. You cannot blame the marketer leveraging the product as well by using the most attractive story to tell that is not common success story.

    If a promoter does this, their campaign is failure to begin with.

    Why show mediocre results if you want superstar income?

    The marketers that takes massive action to produce massive results will succeed.

    A marketer like pat flynn knows this best and he is not afraid of failure at all. In fact he loves to document this and learns from it and shows what solution he did on that situation.

    This is what a leader is all about and leaders will be the ones making millions and not developing the shiny product syndrome like 90% of the fishes in this online marketing game

    Have fun and play it!

    Joe
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    • Profile picture of the author smurff
      Originally Posted by Joseph Villanueva View Post

      Marketing is all about story telling. The greatest story ever told will be the most successful one.

      To be honest, most opportunities and products do work but it all depends on the user/entrepreneur how to make it work.

      Most people quit before they see the success and you cant blame them because of the overhype promises of these products and affiliates. You cannot blame the marketer leveraging the product as well by using the most attractive story to tell that is not common success story.

      If a promoter does this, their campaign is failure to begin with.

      Why show mediocre results if you want superstar income?

      The marketers that takes massive action to produce massive results will succeed.

      A marketer like pat flynn knows this best and he is not afraid of failure at all. In fact he loves to document this and learns from it and shows what solution he did on that situation.

      This is what a leader is all about and leaders will be the ones making millions and not developing the shiny product syndrome like 90% of the fishes in this online marketing game

      Have fun and play it!

      Joe
      Hi Joe,

      Agreed but according to his latest earnings more than $55k is in affiliate earnings through bluehost, lead pages etc Not his green example or the food truck

      Thanks
      Danny
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      • Profile picture of the author TrafficExpert
        Originally Posted by smurff View Post

        Hi Joe,

        Agreed but according to his latest earnings more than $55k is in affiliate earnings through bluehost, lead pages etc Not his green example or the food truck

        Thanks
        Danny
        Then that should tell you something.

        Don't waste your time with niche websites and get into affiliate marketing. The niche websites, list building courses, and other guru courses are only there because its promoted as being 'easy passive income' to newbies like you. The only person getting rich is the guru selling that info off like its some big secret.
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        • Profile picture of the author smurff
          Originally Posted by TrafficExpert View Post

          Then that should tell you something.

          Don't waste your time with niche websites and get into affiliate marketing. The niche websites, list building courses, and other guru courses are only there because its promoted as being 'easy passive income' to newbies like you. The only person getting rich is the guru selling that info off like its some big secret.
          That is an interesting thought. So looking through Pat Flynn type sites, the strategy seems to be *here is proof I did it*, *here is a story of why I did it*, *use these affiliate links and do it yourself*. I've read quite a bit about niche and listened to most if not all of Pat Flynn, InternetBusinessMastery but I can't find a good examples / podcasts/ source for affiliate. Do you know any please?
          Thanks for the reply
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Eddie
    I think it's probably true that you can make more money in showing other people how to do it, than in doing it yourself.

    But you can make decent money with niche sites. I do it myself.
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    • Profile picture of the author smurff
      Originally Posted by EdwardJ View Post

      I think it's probably true that you can make more money in showing other people how to do it, than in doing it yourself.

      But you can make decent money with niche sites. I do it myself.
      Hi Edward,
      Thanks. But I would like to know, and I am not asking as this is personal info, how much effort you put in for a decent wage. Eg more than 8 hrs a day in comparison to a full time job?
      If you are really in the UK, do you visit any conferences etc or meetings?
      Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author SEO Eddie
        Originally Posted by smurff View Post

        Hi Edward,
        Thanks. But I would like to know, and I am not asking as this is personal info, how much effort you put in for a decent wage. Eg more than 8 hrs a day in comparison to a full time job?
        If you are really in the UK, do you visit any conferences etc or meetings?
        Thanks
        I certainly treat internet marketing as a full time job. I regularly work days that are in excess of 8 working hours, have done ever since I started.

        When I was starting out, it was because I needed to.

        Now, I earn a comfortable living from work already done, and I have a team of people working for me.

        But I still work hard most of the time, because there are always new projects I want to start, new ideas I see potential in, and my income goals keep on going up.

        Maybe in a few years I'll be able to sit back and relax a bit more.

        But there are so many great opportunities to make money online at this moment in time, and I want to make hay while the sun shines.


        I don't visit any conferences in the UK
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        • Profile picture of the author smurff
          Originally Posted by EdwardJ View Post

          I certainly treat internet marketing as a full time job. I regularly work days that are in excess of 8 working hours, have done ever since I started.

          When I was starting out, it was because I needed to.

          Now, I earn a comfortable living from work already done, and I have a team of people working for me.

          But I still work hard most of the time, because there are always new projects I want to start, new ideas I see potential in, and my income goals keep on going up.

          Maybe in a few years I'll be able to sit back and relax a bit more.

          But there are so many great opportunities to make money online at this moment in time, and I want to make hay while the sun shines.


          I don't visit any conferences in the UK
          Thanks again Edward. I am gathering my hay making tools and I am motivated. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
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    • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
      Originally Posted by EdwardJ View Post

      I think it's probably true that you can make more money in showing other people how to do it, than in doing it yourself.

      But you can make decent money with niche sites. I do it myself.
      Isn't showing others how to do it doing it?
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    Originally Posted by smurff View Post

    The Pat Flynns and the like are making more money from how to do this than actually doing niche sites.
    Sure you can make $500 per month and yes if you have enough thats going to add up but making thousands per month on a niche site... I need convincing. Even these people that disclose the earnings about other niche sites they are doing, are ultimately selling a coaching course on how to do it.

    Thoughts?
    I'm sure you are correct. And I say...

    That's great!

    Most people who make their money training astronauts have never been to the moon.

    If someone consistently earns $1 a day I'd be happy to pay him $5, $10 or even more for him to tell me how to do it.

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    • Profile picture of the author smurff
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      I'm sure you are correct. And I say...

      That's great!

      Most people who make their money training astronauts have never been to the moon.

      If someone consistently earns $1 a day I'd be happy to pay him $5, $10 or even more for him to tell me how to do it.

      George Wright
      Hi George,
      Understood and actually a good point.
      regards
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by smurff View Post

    The Pat Flynns and the like are making more money from how to do this than actually doing niche sites.
    Sure you can make $500 per month and yes if you have enough thats going to add up but making thousands per month on a niche site... I need convincing. Even these people that disclose the earnings about other niche sites they are doing, are ultimately selling a coaching course on how to do it.

    Thoughts?
    If actually look at his earning reports, you'll see that he has a lot going on in general. There's nothing wrong with creating a product teaching you how to make money with niche sites if you're actually making money with niche sites outside of IM, which he is. I also know people who make lots of money with having PLR stores that teach you how to make money with PLR stores. That's how it should be.

    When you decide to create a product, you should do it based on something that you know and actually put into practice, so that you can provide real-life examples of stuff within the course. There are people making money other ways, too (like with Kindle) and what not. You just have to find those people and products and take it from there. You have to figure out what you're into and implement it.

    Joey
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    • Profile picture of the author smurff
      Originally Posted by Miguelito203 View Post

      If actually look at his earning reports, you'll see that he has a lot going on in general. There's nothing wrong with creating a product teaching you how to make money with niche sites if you're actually making money with niche sites outside of IM, which he is. I also know people who make lots of money with having PLR stores that teach you how to make money with PLR stores. That's how it should be.

      When you decide to create a product, you should do it based on something that you know and actually put into practice, so that you can provide real-life examples of stuff within the course. There are people making money other ways, too (like with Kindle) and what not. You just have to find those people and products and take it from there. You have to figure out what you're into and implement it.

      Joey
      Hi Joey,

      Thanks I didn't mean to come accross that I thought there was anything wrong with it. I was just saying that the big money seems to come from teaching others how to, rather than doing.
      I think you will agree he earns more from that than his niche sites
      regards
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    I began doing niche sites around 18 / 19 years ago. They make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author smurff
      Originally Posted by Get Rich Methods View Post

      I began doing niche sites around 18 / 19 years ago. They make money.
      Again, my comments are that they dont. I said that teaching others to, makes more than doing. Well, from my initial research anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
        Originally Posted by smurff View Post

        Again, my comments are that they dont. I said that teaching others to, makes more than doing. Well, from my initial research anyway.
        I don't want to cause an argument (I have a knack for it), but in my personal experience at least, I make significantly more from doing than showing. Granted, though, I've been doing for 20 years and showing for 4 weeks. LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author smurff
          Originally Posted by Get Rich Methods View Post

          I don't want to cause an argument (I have a knack for it), but in my personal experience at least, I make significantly more from doing than showing. Granted, though, I've been doing for 20 years and showing for 4 weeks. LOL
          Thanks. 20 years of putting niche sites together is quite a long time so I think you might be a minority. After that amount of time I would assume you would have more sites than the average and therefore I also assume those make more than showing just because you have more of them to do so.
          Thanks for your feedback though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    What's wrong with the *how to do niche sites*? Shovel sellers almost always make more than the shovel diggers. Start your own *how to do niche site* and do what the successful people do.

    Oddly enough... you will find that these same techniques apply (and often much better) in super small niches.
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    • Profile picture of the author smurff
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      What's wrong with the *how to do niche sites*? Shovel sellers almost always make more than the shovel diggers. Start your own *how to do niche site* and do what the successful people do.

      Oddly enough... you will find that these same techniques apply (and often much better) in super small niches.
      Again nothing wrong with it at all. I wont do a how to without proving it first. I would feel like a fraud. But I think that seems to be target. Do it so you have proof, look like the expert, then sell a product on how you did it.
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  • Profile picture of the author FreedomBlogger
    You can definitely make a lot of money from Niche Sites - it is one of the best ways to make money online.

    I'm a fan and follower of Pat Flynn - he knows what he talks about. He has made a lot of money from niche sites - so that alone is proof. If you want more proof then you should try it yourself.

    Apply exactly what they teach, find a profitable niche, and just get the results yourself. You will get a better answer that way.

    And of course they also make a lot of money selling their courses on how to do this. That is also a niche if you think about it. The "How to make money with niche sites" Niche. LOL

    Anyways .. I hope this helps!

    I wish you the best online!

    Cheers!
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    • Profile picture of the author smurff
      Originally Posted by FreedomBlogger View Post

      You can definitely make a lot of money from Niche Sites - it is one of the best ways to make money online.

      I'm a fan and follower of Pat Flynn - he knows what he talks about. He has made a lot of money from niche sites - so that alone is proof. If you want more proof then you should try it yourself.

      Apply exactly what they teach, find a profitable niche, and just get the results yourself. You will get a better answer that way.

      And of course they also make a lot of money selling their courses on how to do this. That is also a niche if you think about it. The "How to make money with niche sites" Niche. LOL

      Anyways .. I hope this helps!

      I wish you the best online!

      Cheers!
      >>Apply exactly what they teach, find a profitable niche,
      Thanks for the reply. Well yes that is what I have started but, and here is my initial thought. I have given myself a target of a year. I am the kind of guy that has to have targets to measure my time. I am not giving myself a money target, just hours worked vs outcome. At the moment I know I can work X hours and get Y £ for it. By the end of the year I want to know if I can replace that, even if it is repeatable and leave my job.
      So I too like Pat Flynn, Internet Business Mastery, Chris Ducker etc. But finding a profitable niche is not as easy as it sounds. And then it might be niche number 10 before I find a decent one. So I was looking at whether it is better in the long run to teach people how to rather than do X number of niche sites until it reaches *a* money / hours worked goal. And thats where I was when I wrote the initial post in this thread.
      Anyway, thanks for the kind words of encouragement. I am going to do it just to satisfy my curiosity. And all the best to you online too.
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  • Profile picture of the author garyisonline
    Originally Posted by smurff View Post

    The Pat Flynns and the like are making more money from how to do this than actually doing niche sites.
    Sure you can make $500 per month and yes if you have enough thats going to add up but making thousands per month on a niche site... I need convincing. Even these people that disclose the earnings about other niche sites they are doing, are ultimately selling a coaching course on how to do it.

    Thoughts?
    If people had a mandatory live ticker next to their avatars showing their earnings from actually DOING niche sites, it'd be a ghost town around here. Not saying that there isn't any true success among niche sites. But anybody can say anything any time they want. Not a darn thing you can say to challenge them.

    As far as teaching it? There is money in regurgitating theory and lingo! They make it into an info "product" with a "launch" and "jv partners" and a link in their sig.

    So, if you're just starting out, I'd put the hype aside for a sec and do some math and in depth research without any outside influence.

    What are your niche options?
    What does the demand look like? Keywords, Community, Social etc.
    Can you pinpoint with accuracy who your target is and where they are?
    Can you identify their demand points? Would they pay to have their demands met?
    What does the competition look like? What cost/effort will be required to reach through them? Can you afford the cost and effort required to be noticed among the competition? Do you WANT to afford the cost and effort????

    Once you have that research done start forecasting.
    Do your keyword research to see where you could possibly rank and the potential traffic you might receive.
    Estimate your potential social traffic.
    Add in some paid traffic.
    Sprinkle in some recurring traffic and list traffic.

    What will your conversions look like? A sale? A subscription? A list member? A click away to an affiliate/cpa offer?

    Take your potential conversion rates and net profit. What does that look like? Is it worth it?

    I wouldn't spend too much time or money learning what other people (supposedly) did. If you go at it calculated with the stuff you already know, within a few months you'll have the best truth ever --- in your own experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author smurff
      Originally Posted by garyisonline View Post

      If people had a mandatory live ticker next to their avatars showing their earnings from actually DOING niche sites, it'd be a ghost town around here. Not saying that there isn't any true success among niche sites. But anybody can say anything any time they want. Not a darn thing you can say to challenge them.

      As far as teaching it? There is money in regurgitating theory and lingo! They make it into an info "product" with a "launch" and "jv partners" and a link in their sig.

      So, if you're just starting out, I'd put the hype aside for a sec and do some math and in depth research without any outside influence.

      What are your niche options?
      What does the demand look like? Keywords, Community, Social etc.
      Can you pinpoint with accuracy who your target is and where they are?
      Can you identify their demand points? Would they pay to have their demands met?
      What does the competition look like? What cost/effort will be required to reach through them? Can you afford the cost and effort required to be noticed among the competition? Do you WANT to afford the cost and effort????

      Once you have that research done start forecasting.
      Do your keyword research to see where you could possibly rank and the potential traffic you might receive.
      Estimate your potential social traffic.
      Add in some paid traffic.
      Sprinkle in some recurring traffic and list traffic.

      What will your conversions look like? A sale? A subscription? A list member? A click away to an affiliate/cpa offer?

      Take your potential conversion rates and net profit. What does that look like? Is it worth it?

      I wouldn't spend too much time or money learning what other people (supposedly) did. If you go at it calculated with the stuff you already know, within a few months you'll have the best truth ever --- in your own experience.
      Thanks for the reply and the things to think about. Most of them were already on my list but a few were new thoughts. Thanks.
      Market research is the one I am finding hard to do. E.g. I know the type of forums where my customers hang out but as for finding personal information or whether or what they will pay is something I am just going to have to test I think. I can't find any other way of getting this information. Does anyone else have a technique/website/company that can do market research in a niche?
      But your post did make me laugh. I too believe it would be a ghost town.
      Thanks again for taking the time to reply.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnnyPlan
    There will always be people who want to learn how to make money online. That's why the MMO niche is really huge and lots of people competing in it and only some of those people are actually earning money. I'd rather earn money by offering quality products to help support the person who is already in business online. The people that I work with already know how to sell and who to sell to.

    So, niche 'info' sites are not the only way to earn money online, neither is money making online courses.

    Find a service or product that will make other people's lives easier and you will earn money from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author smurff
      Originally Posted by JohnnyPlan View Post

      There will always be people who want to learn how to make money online. That's why the MMO niche is really huge and lots of people competing in it and only some of those people are actually earning money. I'd rather earn money by offering quality products to help support the person who is already in business online. The people that I work with already know how to sell and who to sell to.

      So, niche 'info' sites are not the only way to earn money online, neither is money making online courses.

      Find a service or product that will make other people's lives easier and you will earn money from it.
      Thanks for taking the time to reply Johnny. I think I have found one. I am a consultant in a certain product that large companies implement. And it took me years and years to get to my level so I was thinking of offering a way to get there. It is very niche, maybe even too niche if that is possible. But I am going to give it a try.
      However, if I look at numbers only, there are fewer *want to be an X consultant* than *make money online*. So I understand there are more competitors in the second but it was just a thought of *I have a year, whats the best way to spend that year trying to earn a living on the internet*.
      Thanks again
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  • Profile picture of the author Jan79
    First off I wouldn't buy any training/coaching or ebook about 'How to make a lot of money online'... why would anyone offer such a product/service anyway, they should just use their own strategy for making more money instead of selling this.

    Most good advice can be found online for free! Quality seo sites, forums like warriorforum will help you in whatever you are trying to accomplish. I don't do anything in the money making niche or the seo niche and don't sell my own products... I have travel, fashion and shopping related websites that make a decent income from Adsense. Why wouldn't it be possible... just look at some adsense succes stories... same goes for affiliate products (works great together with fashion and travel niche). It's just about creating a really cool site and reaching out to others to gain exposure.
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  • Profile picture of the author fin
    I'm sure there are people making money from niche sites and don't need to teach people how to do it.

    Think about it.

    And Pat is a bad example to use because his new software will probably earn more than all his other stuff put together.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Seymour
    They already have their sites making money. They have spare time to work on their hot to products

    So keep going!
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    • Profile picture of the author Niche Blogger
      Thousands per month with a niche site really isn't that inconceivable. If you're making an average of $50-$70 per affiliate commission (which is very easy to do in the health niche) that's only 15-20 sales per month for a site. I have sites that get minimal traffic (maybe 50-100 uniques per day) that make that much. Of course you do need a whole lot more traffic if you're doing Adsense or promoting a lower paying affiliate program such as Amazon, but it's still doable.
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  • Profile picture of the author msuper28
    Yes, most people make money selling Videos/Audiobooks and PDF books. That 's how the market woks: people want solve problems--> you give them solutions sell your books etc/affiliate marketing btw most of "gurus" here are liers for me
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  • Profile picture of the author smurff
    Thanks for the replies everyone. Please remember that in my initial post, I was not saying people don't make money from niche sites. I was pointing out the fact that from my research online, people made more from telling others how to.
    Thanks for taking the time to reply. Appreciated.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyisonline
      Originally Posted by smurff View Post

      Thanks for the replies everyone. Please remember that in my initial post, I was not saying people don't make money from niche sites. I was pointing out the fact that from my research online, people made more from telling others how to.
      Thanks for taking the time to reply. Appreciated.
      A couple more quick points -

      I don't make any money showing people how, for now. I just get too excited showing people, then I can't shut up.

      Where I do make my money is doing "it"...across many modules - Retail (eBay, Amazon, Amazon FBA, Websites), PPV to CPA, Affiliate stuff, Service stuff etc. I've dug deep all over the place since late 1994. I don't call anything I do niche sites because of how people define them.

      I'm not bragging at all - because much of what I've done was purely experimental and just plain stupid. A LOT of it was testing what people "teach" here. And a LOT of it is just idealistic pooh!

      I buy a lot of crap just for grins...that's why I laugh a LOT at what people call "Products". Then they JV with people to help push their pooh. Then it gets smeared all over the place and their lingo starts showing up as regurgitated pooh in forums.

      But, where I do make my living online is from stuff that surprised me completely! Stuff I was throwing against the wall and then POW! Tweak a little then POWPOW!

      That's why I say that the best thing to do is go with what you know now...and then build on your own upcoming personal experience.

      Besides your basic research and math, analyzing stuff is just going to goo stuff up and slow you way down. Find a clean wall and start throwing stuff at it. Once it works then you can show how (if you choose) without being or even feeling like a regurgitating fraud.
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      • Profile picture of the author Freeboi
        Originally Posted by garyisonline View Post

        A couple more quick points -

        I don't make any money showing people how, for now. I just get too excited showing people, then I can't shut up.

        Where I do make my money is doing "it"...across many modules - Retail (eBay, Amazon, Amazon FBA, Websites), PPV to CPA, Affiliate stuff, Service stuff etc. I've dug deep all over the place since late 1994. I don't call anything I do niche sites because of how people define them.

        I'm not bragging at all - because much of what I've done was purely experimental and just plain stupid. A LOT of it was testing what people "teach" here. And a LOT of it is just idealistic pooh!

        I buy a lot of crap just for grins...that's why I laugh a LOT at what people call "Products". Then they JV with people to help push their pooh. Then it gets smeared all over the place and their lingo starts showing up as regurgitated pooh in forums.

        But, where I do make my living online is from stuff that surprised me completely! Stuff I was throwing against the wall and then POW! Tweak a little then POWPOW!

        That's why I say that the best thing to do is go with what you know now...and then build on your own upcoming personal experience.

        Besides your basic research and math, analyzing stuff is just going to goo stuff up and slow you way down. Find a clean wall and start throwing stuff at it. Once it works then you can show how (if you choose) without being or even feeling like a regurgitating fraud.
        Seriously, this is one of the best advice I've read here in WF. And I've been here many years. If you are just starting out, you better heed his advice. And I should know because much of what he said has also been my experience. I've bought A LOT of products here but without hesitating I would say only about a couple really contributed positively to my IM whatnots.

        I love the idea of "finding a clean wall and just throw stuff at it". I also do a lot of experiments but I never really thought about it that way. And most of the time the thing that slows me down is over-analysis. Sometimes, no, most of the time, you really can't tell if something would work no matter how much you analyze it to death. So just do it. Believe me, you'll learn more from just doing it than from over analyzing it. And if you keep doing it, you're bound to find something that would really work FOR YOU.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    I my personal experience, I make a fraction from telling; far more from doing. Though, as I believe I've mentioned here or elsewhere, I've only been telling for 4 weeks and doing for 20 years. I can only speak for myself, but if I make public a system, method, whatever, I'm confident that there is no chance of saturation; either that or saturation is so limited, it's really of no concern. I expect, however, that many of the folks doing the telling are simply trying to earn a buck from doing so and have limited experience or success from doing whatever it is they preach.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
    You need convincing?

    Will you pay me $1000 or $5000 or $10000 if I convince you?

    First, you either do it or not. Nobody needs to convince you anything unless they will earn money from it, by selling their product. If you are not convinced by their sales materials, nobody can actually convince you.

    Second, this is true. Most people are making money by teaching how to make money than by making money themselves. The guru selling a $10.000/month course will actually earn $10.000/month by selling that course.

    It is a circular argument and a catch 22.

    The only fields where this does not apply are those outside of biz op. It is hard to actually become a PUA by selling PUA guides but it is not hard at all to earn money by teaching others how to make money.

    As far as that small group that actually made money before selling ways to make money, people like Eben Pagan who was making millions per month from Double Your Dating before he started Get Altitude and Guru Mastermind ... well, they are worth their weight in gold but they are a rare find.

    After years in this field, almost a decade since I've heard about it for the first time, I've understood one thing. Promise someone that he can earn $10.000/month and even if he earns $1000/month, he'll buy all your products from now to the end of time. The idea that he CAN earn money is more important than how much.

    This apples virtually to every niche. It is about overpromising and if you can deliver even at 10% of your promise, you are a hero. The bigger the promise, the smaller the investment, the less you can deliver.
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  • Profile picture of the author E-Estates
    Yes. People selling information products make money by providing solutions to solve the problems of the buyers. That is the reason How To Do niche sites can sell easily than other type of sites.

    People searching to find solutions will usually use search engines to find solution and hence they usually land in the niche specific sites.

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  • Profile picture of the author miklanderson2
    If you can find a hungry market and are able to provide that market with products they end up drooling over, you can make thousands per month off niche marketing to non-IM markets. I've got a niche website that I set up recently that's already doing very well thanks to paid traffic that I'm sending to offers I've posted on the site.

    I'm just getting started on niche marketing, but from what I've managed to do so far, I can without a doubt state it can be very profitable.
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  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    I have a wso coming soon called 'how to make money doing the thing you are telling other people how to do!' : )
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  • Profile picture of the author infogenius
    Originally Posted by smurff View Post

    The Pat Flynns and the like are making more money from how to do this than actually doing niche sites.
    Sure you can make $500 per month and yes if you have enough thats going to add up but making thousands per month on a niche site... I need convincing. Even these people that disclose the earnings about other niche sites they are doing, are ultimately selling a coaching course on how to do it.

    Thoughts?
    The fact is that the "how to do" in any niche market is a potential money maker. The fact is that even in other niches marketers sell how to do something products. How to loose weight, how to get pregnant, how to get six pack abs, how to train a dumb dog and the how to goes on and on. The fact is that most people selling loose weight products may never have used what they sell possibly they were never fat or the seller might just be another fatso.Who cares? Provided that people get real time solutions to their pressing problems.

    Just as it is to make money teaching how to MMO so easy it is to make money teaching people how to loose belly fat or any how to products.

    I totally agree with the title of this thread that ppl making money are the ones selling how to niche sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
    Think about it. What incentive is there for someone who is raking $10k+ a month every month from having built niche sites to tell others? There isn't any apart from bragging rights and then an inbox filled with pms. If you're not selling something then why tell others?
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Pat Flynn is a beast and deserves every dollar he earns.

    Because of the moderate success he's been able to have with his niche sites and app business, he's been able to experience exceptional success because of his effectiveness in sharing his results and teaching his methods.

    If you look real close, his affiliate revenue recommending tools and services he uses to run his niche sites is more than 80% of his total revenue month in and month out with his hosting commissions amounting to about half of his total monthly revenue.

    Definitely a great model and he's someone totally worth emulating if that's what you want to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Your problem is most likely not being able to think like a business owner & falling back on the idea of an employee needing hand holding & instructions.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by smurff View Post

    The Pat Flynns and the like are making more money from how to do this than actually doing niche sites.
    Sure you can make $500 per month and yes if you have enough thats going to add up but making thousands per month on a niche site... I need convincing. Even these people that disclose the earnings about other niche sites they are doing, are ultimately selling a coaching course on how to do it.

    Thoughts?
    Why would anyone in their right minds open up their books on their niche sites just to convince you they're making money? Of course the only people disclosing earnings from niche sites are selling how-to information and coaching. Why else would anyone do it?

    You're drawing your conclusions from an incomplete and biased sample.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardworker2013
    An Internet Marketing Guru is called a guru because they have been successful in making
    lots of money and have been in the game a long time. Selling coaching courses is just scaling up there game and a lot of money is to be made from these courses.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewikk055
      Uh...I don't think that every 'guru' has made a ton of money...especially the busters with thousands of posts on a 5 forum spread each and every year...

      buncha wannabe scam artists.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Originally Posted by smurff View Post

    The Pat Flynns and the like are making more money from how to do this than actually doing niche sites.
    Sure you can make $500 per month and yes if you have enough thats going to add up but making thousands per month on a niche site... I need convincing. Even these people that disclose the earnings about other niche sites they are doing, are ultimately selling a coaching course on how to do it.

    Thoughts?
    People making plenty of money from niche sites usually aren't the ones bothering to sell a course to naive IM noobs about how to do it. They just... do it.

    I know a girl who was making more than 60k/year from a few niche sites she owns, last I talked to her. She's been building them for years and put tons of hard work into them. But one thing she never bothered to do was to scam people out of their money by promising them instant results like most of the WSO's on this website do.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    our biggest niches are away from IM, and this sort of stuff.

    We do $xx,xxx a month in a niche that I have never even seen talked about in the warrior forum. :-)

    Its no use talking about THERE IS NO MONEY in other niches, when all you might have been exposed to is IM. I mean seriously.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
      Originally Posted by celente View Post

      our biggest niches are away from IM, and this sort of stuff.

      We do ,xxx a month in a niche that I have never even seen talked about in the warrior forum. :-)

      Its no use talking about THERE IS NO MONEY in other niches, when all you might have been exposed to is IM. I mean seriously.
      I feel your pain.

      To say there is more money in teaching how to make money seems, to me at least, grossly inaccurate, mildly misguided. The trouble, without question, is the vast proliferation of inept moneymakers foisting useless moneymaking products on internet marketing neophytes. I don't blame the newcomer for thinking this way, not in the least. I blame the idiots steering them in the wrong direction (or out and out conning them). Trashy e-books, worthless coaching. I'm sure the problem lies with them. There was a thread posted here yesterday by a person wishing to create a WSO and he or she clearly had no knowledge of the industry. People look at the MMO niche as just another product and, to them at least, it represents greener pastures, wealth. Trouble is, to dispense worthwhile advice, in anything, you really need to be an expert. Judging by so many of the comments I see (and perhaps their impact is greater, because only recently have I started posting on forums again) there are far more teachers than experts.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheFrenchOne
    Just look at how much money mike geary or a few other clickbank products owners have made in markets that are not IM..
    Weigh loss/fitness niche is a bigger market than IM, and much more money has been made there than in IM.
    IM is a decent market but so are Dating, weigh loss, muscle building, astrology/numerology/(add any bulshits-logy you want), stock trading, insurance, education, and then you have maybe some other maybe smaller markets with less competition that are also making money.
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  • This concept of selling "how to" information is known as "selling the pickaxes and shovels" rather than digging for gold.

    And obviously took place in the 19th Century California Gold Rush as well!

    I personally believe that (in life), it's a good idea to make money by "implementing" as well as selling "how to" information.

    There is nothing wrong with doing both.

    But obviously, you need to make sure you "implement" first before going out there and selling the instructions!
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  • Profile picture of the author flesterking
    Whenever there is a opportunity, why not they can teach and earn money. Thats what amazon kindle does right, so does for niche sites. Sure there are some loophole guys but not many i think.
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