many poor people work the hardest

I honestly believe that there is a poor person and a rich person mentality. Something which makes you tick and chase higher earnings.

My father, god bless him, used to work his ass off day by day, just in order to feed the family. He claimed to be the most lazy man in the world, but he did what he had to do, and he never stopped doing it, until the day he died.

He was afraid of taking risks, so he never invested. He didnt understand the concept of growing his assets or return of investment. He knew that he had to make an amount X by the end of the day, otherwise our electricity would be cut, we wouldnt have a meal, etc, etc...

But... He got his first son at the age of 23, was pulled into a war by the age of 32, he didnt have the luxury to afford a big misstake, so I get that.

Ive learned a lot by his failures, and learned a lot by the things he did right. Dedication, Loyalty, Honesty, those are the characteristics I hone and which he owned. But aside of that I learned to make money work for me, to outsource others work, to risk when the window of oportunity is right, and evaluate risk vs gain.

I feel a hunger for greatness which I havent seen in him. He seemed contempt where he was, and I feel restless wherever I am.
I fall and fail, I get hurt financially, physically and mentally, but I also find the strength to move on, outside of the hell circle of a 9-5 job, and I survive sofar, and hopefully grow

We also know many poor people who work hardly. On the one hand poor works hardly but on the other hand rich do nothing. So, without working hard who some people get rich.

Well said C G!

I've always thought of it in terms of laborious work vs. intellectual work.

Some days where I've brainstormed and had to come up with out of the box stuff for my business were mentally the most exhausting. Even if i wanted to do something for personal fun afterward, I couldn't because I was mentally drained.

This is contrasted with my work as a kitchen boy where i would stand for 8 - 12 hour shifts cooking, cleaning, preparing, cleaning, and cleaning some more.

The laborious work left me severely unfulfilled and gave me these baseball sized calluses on my feet (no joke either, the entire ball of my foot was a callus lol).

I know of very few working class people who truly enjoy their jobs, but there is still only a small proportion within this group of labor workers who truly work their asses off.

I don't know about other industries, but my kitchen work taught me that people are lazy as sh!t. Seriously.

95% of my co-workers were lazy, wanted extra brakes, worked slowly, were gossipy, wanted more pay and fewer hours. The bull crap goes on for days.

These weren't hard workers, these were people who hardly worked.

If I didn't have that kitchen job i might agree with you. But since I have experience with people who truly don't care about their job, and just see it as a weekly means to a tiny paycheck, I have to say that the majority of working class workers (not all, but most of them) are those who most definitely do not work as hard as they could.

I've heard parallels in such industries as warehouse work, hospitals...pretty much any working class position where you have to be on your feet a lot, people just feel entitled to that paycheck.

They want more of it, or they want more pay for less work, or their benefits aren't enough (which is an entirely different issue), or they just wish it were different.

They all wish something was different.

There is a definite minority of people, as far as i have seen, who are truly grateful for the work they have, so much so that they ask for more hours whether out of necessity or enjoyment of the work (in 99% of cases it's out of need, i get that).

Having seen the work of business and entrepreneurship, and being someone who came directly from the working class world, it's definitely a different type of tiring/draining work that goes on for business owners. But i would not say that poor people work harder, because as I have seen it first hand, they don't.

That pretty much sums up your post.

That's also the difference between employees and employers; one gets a wage and another invests into that wage to create a larger income.

That happens in any forum you visit. I only responded the way i did because I have first hand experience working with poor people barely surviving from payday to payday.

the point is to understand what to work hard on ..

basically ..the last 200 years and the huge break from history ..where pretty much all humans had under 2 dollars a day in living standards ..and a small minority owned the land and a larger but small minority engaged in trade ..and the rest stayed put to work the land .

over the last 200 years ..the machines that drove up productivity and the tech was very expensive and capital intensive ..and most humans where left doing the things machines could not yet do ..

in the past ten years and into the next 20 ..the price of tools of production has dropped to where with a small amount of capital nearly anyone can ..and at the same time nearly every thing human where doing is getting automated or replaced by tech ..so there really will nit be much need for most people as they will not be needed for meer toil ..

within the next ten years we will be able to own computers with the processing power of our brains .. we will see a massive roll out of automatited vehicles replacing the mass transit system and many people who own cars will fin they no longer need to, shotrt range drone based delivery services , 3d printer that produce high quality good for a few hundred bucks per printer . nearly fully automated fast food places where robuts put together your fast food because companies will not want to pay a 20$ an hour living wage that people will claim is only fair ..

forget that we are going to see the elimination of the education system we have now ..

this is not psy fi ..but it is happening ..

wages are going away ..or will dissapear as they are now as the life time safe job have gone away ..and though i feel there will be a new kind of welfare system.. basical to get above the basic needs ..people will have to learn to use the tools of production.. and own what they ccan..then create stuff people want and sell it for a profit .