If you want to achieve your goals, stop focusing on them

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I came across a very beautiful video on Youtube which talks about why you should not focus too much on your goals if you want to achieve them. This video is from one of the Ted Talks.

It is completely contrary to what people are normally taught about goal setting where they are asked to remember their goals as frequently as they can. Here, in this talk, the speaker says it can be quite counter-productive to focus on the goals too much. He gives some good reasons and gives sweet examples to demonstrate what he means.

The talk is more than 15 minutes long but you won't feel the time as the talk is quite engaging and entertaining. Hope people will like it - sharing it straight from Youtube. Let me know your opinions about this:

#achieve #focusing #goals #stop
  • Profile picture of the author nmwf
    I disagree with the logic he presented. His advice is to adjust behaviors instead of focusing on goals.

    But the end goal of those behaviors is the ultimate goal!! What value is there in adjusting behaviors without focusing on the end-benefit (i.e. goal). Goals are (or should be) what predicts behaviors, so he really doesn't make any sense to this brain!
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    • Profile picture of the author anwar001
      He is not saying to not make any goals. What he says is that goals should guide the behaviors but once goals are set, the focus should be only on the behavior which is under our control. We should be focusing on what we should be doing, what steps to take etc so that we can reach those goals.

      For example, if your goal is to start making $1000 per month then just thinking of that goal repeatedly will not get you any results.

      Instead if you start focusing on what you can do, and focus on the plan that you have drafted to reach that goal and keep monitoring your progress, adapting/changing the plan if it is not working etc, then you are more likely to reach your goal.

      Some people just keep thinking ' I have to make $1000 dollars, I have to make this amount in a month' and this won't take them anywhere.
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      • Profile picture of the author nmwf
        Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

        Some people just keep thinking ' I have to make $1000 dollars, I have to make this amount in a month' and this won't take them anywhere.
        I see. I heard him mention something like that in the video. But do people actually think like that?

        Even a dummy who wants to play outside knows he has to put his tennis shoes on first.

        So I dunno. Perhaps his message will resonate with those who tend to run out of the house shoe-less.
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        • Profile picture of the author anwar001
          Originally Posted by nmwf View Post

          I see. I heard him mention something like that in the video. But do people actually think like that?

          Even a dummy who wants to play outside knows he has to put his tennis shoes on first.

          So I dunno. Perhaps his message will resonate with those who tend to run out of the house shoe-less.
          A lot of people do think like that. You may be surprised to know how common it is.

          What I mean is that people will know they have to do something in order to achieve their goals but their focus will not be on what they should be doing. The focus would be entirely on the goal and they would just be daydreaming and thinking without doing anything.

          People buy one WSO after another and jump from one product to another. Why? Because their focus is messed up. They want to make money but don't know what to do. They keep hopping here and there.

          If they had picked one method among many methods of making money and focused on learning that method, mastering it and trying to implement what they have learned they might have gotten much better results.
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          • Profile picture of the author nmwf
            Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

            What I mean is that people will know they have to do something in order to achieve their goals but their focus will not be on what they should be doing. The focus would be entirely on the goal and they would just be daydreaming and thinking without doing anything.
            You know, the more I think about it, the more I disagree with that guy! I see absolutely nothing wrong with focusing on an end-goal while doing things, whatever those things may be. In fact, I encourage it because it (should) trigger a person into questioning whether what they're doing is helpful (i.e., applicable to an end-goal).

            Example: Person wants to lose 50 lbs. What is wrong with thinking about that while cooking/eating, choosing a mode of transportation, shopping for new clothes, etc.?

            If anything, obsessing over that goal will only guide the person into making the right, goal-oriented choices.

            Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

            People buy one WSO after another and jump from one product to another. Why? Because their focus is messed up. They want to make money but don't know what to do. They keep hopping here and there.
            I see. But isn't that really an issue of discipline rather than goals? I think a strong focus on goals would actually help these people out. Might even straighten them out! (see the weight-loss example above)

            Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

            If they had picked one method among many methods of making money and focused on learning that method, mastering it and trying to implement what they have learned they might have gotten much better results.
            I agree with that. But I think this guy missed an opportunity to speak to the truth of the matter. Telling an audience to intentionally place weaker emphasis on an end-goal is just...

            Well, it's just weird!

            Good topic though.
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    What you are saying is right to a certain extent. We should think of the goals we wish to achieve. I am not saying to neglect them completely. But what happens when you focus too much on it is that you will tend to go into a dreamy, wishful thinking kind of mode.

    You say that thinking of their goals repeatedly will have a positive effect on people. It can if they do it in moderation. If they over-think about their goals either of the two things might happen:
    1. They might just end up daydreaming and indulge in wishful, fantasy thinking because after all the fantasy is sweeter than reality because they have not achieved their goal in reality and it feels good to just keep dwelling on it in their thoughts.

    2. The second thing that might happen is that they may become impatient, desperate and will want to achieve their goals as quickly as possible. This will make them look for shortcuts (jumping one WSO after another or one diet plan after another). They won't be able to focus on a single, proven method for long period consistently because they are not getting quick results and their desperation is increasing. The more they think about their goals the more feeling of the lack of it will hit them.

    Don't you agree the above could be possible negative side-effects of over-thinking about goals?
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

      1. They might just end up daydreaming and indulge in wishful, fantasy thinking because after all the fantasy is sweeter than reality because they have not achieved their goal in reality and it feels good to just keep dwelling on it in their thoughts.
      IMO, there's absolutely nothing wrong with fantasizing. Unless we're talking about people with OCD, then fantasizing (surprise, surprise) is actually a requirement. Fantasizing leads to creativity. Creativity leads to energy. Energy leads to action. And action leads to production.

      But it sounds as if we're debating a mind-set rather than the message. No one who can't control his or her own thoughts should be anywhere near a business.

      Originally Posted by anwar001 View Post

      2. The second thing that might happen is that they may become impatient, desperate and will want to achieve their goals as quickly as possible. This will make them look for shortcuts (jumping one WSO after another or one diet plan after another). They won't be able to focus on a single, proven method for long period consistently because they are not getting quick results and their desperation is increasing. The more they think about their goals the more feeling of the lack of it will hit them.

      Don't you agree the above could be possible negative side-effects of over-thinking about goals?
      I'll tell you what. I'll agree the above are negative side-effects of goal-oriented thinking for people who can't seem to think straight in the first place. For everyone else, (and look at that -- we came back to the message after all ), the presentation was...

      Well, I don't want to say what it was other than "not very useful."
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  • Profile picture of the author Yusei Imafuku
    I think it is rightfully stated in this thread that you must be obsessed with your goal in order to succeed. I totally merit this notion. Most of the videos bore me so I won't watch. Speakers nowadays bore the bejesus of me.
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by Yusei Imafuku View Post

      Most of the videos bore me so I won't watch.
      I'm with you. And honestly, the only reason I watched this one was because it as a TED video. I absolutely refuse to watch videos with speakers lecturing from their kitchen or bedroom desk.

      That might not be fair, but it's the truth.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    though the conversation in the thread is interesting ..i had a hard time listening to more than a minute of the presentation

    goal have two big parts the goal that is out there in the future ..and what you can do today to get closer to achieving the goal//

    so i watched more than a minute ..and yeah he gets in to the behaviours ..

    anyway if you are going to focus on goal it is best to focus on the ones you can change your actions to achieve..and much less on the fantasies requiring devine intervention ..a K a ..what you would do if you won the lottery ..

    now it may be okay to have some goal that require both..changes to your action and divine intervention ..in the order of say maybe you put out a bunch of you tube videos until you have that one that goes viral ..

    Yousei..there are so many ted events now it seems nearly anyone willing to get on stage can find some event to give a speach at ..
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    • Profile picture of the author nmwf
      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

      Yousei..there are so many ted events now it seems nearly anyone willing to get on stage can find some event to give a speach at ..
      Hmm... is that so???

      :: running to see how to get on a TED stage ::

      LoL
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  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    I think we have debated long and hard over whether focusing on goals is good or bad. Let us leave off the debate for now.

    Interestingly yesterday, after this debate here on this thread, I read a short report which talked about the importance of feeling good. It said that when you think about your goals or plans you should feel good, happy and positive about it. If you are not feeling so then it is better to stop thinking about the goal for the time being.

    This was in confirmation to what I had read or heard earlier about the topic. So I guess for some people, if and when they think about their goal, they feel energized and excited, for them it is a good idea to think more about their goals.

    As for some others, if they feel a little stressed when thinking about their goal or if they are feeling unhappy because when they think about their goal it makes them aware of the lack of that thing in their life, and if their longing or desperation for it increases then in that case it is probably not a good idea to think about the goal. Stop thinking about the actual end goal and focus on the actions or steps you can take to reach it - focus on how you can do those things properly which might take you nearer to your goal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    anwar ,

    for a very long time any time i wrote down goals it was a fairly worthless practice .. as many time they where not my goals written from a well developed understanding of who i am am what really make me feel better ..but more a list of things i was inspired to want that would look like success and impreess other people .

    most of my goals the last few years revolved around physical goas involvimg regaining my mobility and healing my back, changing the way i eat ..which helped me lose 30 pounds the last year ..with another 30 or so to go over the next year ..aquiring knoledge to build productive skills..learning to cook.. and moving from one of the most miserable people you could meet to generally happy or at least ..knowing what i needed to do to be happy .

    you create the future either by intent or defult..if you eat like an american.. chance are you will get fat .. and develope a range of ailments from the food you eat..

    if you eat like a farm animal.. consuming large amounts of corn and soy ..and getting regular dosses of antbiotic.. you will get fat like a farm animal and if you eat fat sick unhealthy animal..what is the term you are what you eat ..

    if you write a bunch of goals..and you feel powerless to change your beliefs and behaviours to do what you need to do to get those goal ..those goal will not make you feel good ..

    and if you set gol that you can work on and begin making the changes you need to make to get those goals.. and you have smaller rapid achievment goals.. like learn to cook certain food you like to eat in ways that make them tasty and better for you than other options .

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  • Profile picture of the author bannerwhiz
    If you don't focus then you don't hard work for your dreams, if you don't work hard you will fail.
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