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I am one of those persons who have a problem with taking advice from other people. It probably has to do with school teachers doing what they could to turn me into a mindless drone back then

I usually learn from failing repeadetly, then realising I need to change my ways, in IM and in life, but I would like to be better at taking in good advice, without being gullible of course.

Do you believe you can learn something without failing first? How do you make new knowledge really stick without trying it out first?
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  • Profile picture of the author IdeaLady
    Don't take advice from just anyone--learn from the people who know. Choose a couple (a few?) people you respect and admire, and study them. Read what they have written and what has been written about them. Listen to interviews. Reverse-engineer what they do, not to copy them, but to learn from them.

    I tend to be cynical of advice from people who have not done what they are talking about. However, listening to people who have been there, done that has shortened my learning curve and helped me avoid mistakes that would have been costly in time and money.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

    I am one of those persons who have a problem with taking advice from other people.
    Hey Jack. I think there are lots of people like this. Not necessarily a problem, though.

    I usually learn from failing repeadetly, then realising I need to change my ways,
    in IM and in life, but I would like to be better at taking in good advice, without being
    gullible of course.
    The good news is that you eventually learn from your mistakes. There are many who
    do not. Also keep in mind that your past behavior does not have to be your future
    behavior. I'm sure you realize this.

    If you want to be better at taking in good advice, then perhaps consider the following:

    1. Try to maintain your awareness of what you want. Seems to me it's more of an
    openness to taking in good advice. So try cultivating an open mind. Practice listening
    to what others have to say.

    As a sidenote, one thing I've noticed with very many people is they do not listen very
    well. Try paying closer attention to other people and notice what they're doing when
    they are listening. You may be surprised at what you discover.

    2. I do not know if you do this, but you may. Don't be quick to dismiss what others
    suggest to you. Maybe you think about it for some short period, then quickly judge
    and dismiss. If you do that, try consciously hanging on to it a little longer and sincerely
    considering what they're suggesting.

    3. Everyone needs to exercise some discrimination with advice from other people. Not all
    advice is good, or what is best for you. So it's good and healthy to try to objectively
    determine if someone's advice, to you, is worthwhile and in your best interest.

    If it is, then take it further in your mind and seriously consider it.

    Do you believe you can learn something without failing first? How do you make new
    knowledge really stick without trying it out first?
    Yes I believe this can be done, to answer your first question. Here's something for you to
    consider...

    We all condition ourselves in lots of ways. We tell ourselves things about us that really
    serve to reinforce an "existing" attitude in our minds. It's interesting because those existing
    attitudes are usually very convenient for some reason.

    Here's an example:

    A student always says that he is not good in math. I don't have a good mind for math. I've
    never been good at math. So what do you think will happen. How much does that
    circumvent any attempt to put in more work or harder effort to understand math?

    So, my point is for you to consider your current attitudes about your own self.

    Yes, perhaps your history is that you only learn by failing, etc. You cannot, or do not want
    to, learn from others. That attitude is pretty strong in your mind; however, to your credit
    you are demonstrating some flexibility by making this post and asking about it. So that's
    very good.

    Realize that lots of others can do what you are asking about. I have an older sister, and I
    remember learning a lot from her by observing her mistakes, in certain situations, and
    deciding that I didn't want to go through that.

    I watched... ok, if I do this, then that will happen. 'That' really sucks. I don't want that. So,
    cool... I won't do 'this.' lol. I avoided much pain and aggravation by using that very simple
    set of reasoning.

    Your second question about making things stick without trying it out, first.

    Easy, there will still be some kind of result, some kind of affect, from the alternative to not
    trying something out, first. This is difficult because we are talking in abstract, here.

    There is a particular action that produces a result. There is the non-action, to that
    particular action, that also produces a sort of 'anti' result. Make sense?

    If the first result is something undesirable and the lack of that result is desirable, then
    why would that not stick in your mind?

    I hope that made sense.

    What are your thoughts?

    Best...
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    • Profile picture of the author Ross Bowring
      You need to learn to fail fast. Make a mistake. Dust yourself off. Stomach your lesson. Move on the next attempt.

      It's how you get better at anything, no?
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    • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
      Good post, thanks!

      1. Try to maintain your awareness of what you want. Seems to me it's more of an
      openness to taking in good advice. So try cultivating an open mind. Practice listening
      to what others have to say.

      As a sidenote, one thing I've noticed with very many people is they do not listen very
      well. Try paying closer attention to other people and notice what they're doing when
      they are listening. You may be surprised at what you discover.

      2. I do not know if you do this, but you may. Don't be quick to dismiss what others
      suggest to you. Maybe you think about it for some short period, then quickly judge
      and dismiss. If you do that, try consciously hanging on to it a little longer and sincerely
      considering what they're suggesting.

      3. Everyone needs to exercise some discrimination with advice from other people. Not all
      advice is good, or what is best for you. So it's good and healthy to try to objectively
      determine if someone's advice, to you, is worthwhile and in your best interest.

      If it is, then take it further in your mind and seriously consider it.
      This is what I've come to realize as well. Growing up, I seemed to be around a lot of selfish people with an agenda, so as a child and growing up, when you're dissapointed too many times, I think you learn to be very skeptic.

      I totally agree with really LISTENING. It's key to success I think with people and yourself. I also think that keeping an open mind and open ears is a skill that must be practised. The people I've met who have been best with people and in business, had that quality that they made people feel they were really paying attention to what you were saying. So thats something I want to work on.

      Realize that lots of others can do what you are asking about. I have an older sister, and I
      remember learning a lot from her by observing her mistakes, in certain situations, and
      deciding that I didn't want to go through that.

      I watched... ok, if I do this, then that will happen. 'That' really sucks. I don't want that. So,
      cool... I won't do 'this.' lol. I avoided much pain and aggravation by using that very simple
      set of reasoning.
      As for learning trough doing and failing. I believe you don't really KNOW something before you've been-there-done-that. You have to connect the theoretical knowledge with emotional/physical experiences. That's what has worked for me so far.

      I agree with you about learning by watching people around you. Except I think it's better to learn from others success than others failure or modelling if you will. "Show me your friends and I will tell you who you are". I think thats true.

      We all condition ourselves in lots of ways. We tell ourselves things about us that really
      serve to reinforce an "existing" attitude in our minds. It's interesting because those existing
      attitudes are usually very convenient for some reason.
      Limiting beliefs are something I am constantly working on breaking down, but if you've grown up with limiting beliefs it takes time to completely change them. I think this is why so many people resist change, because it feels uncomfortable to challenge these beliefs as they've become a part of who you are.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kappa
    I would say that you need to turn you obstinence into HEALTHY skepticism. You get to maintain your cynical nature, while being open to learn new things. In order to become a healthy skeptic, you have to have a good, well-tuned BS filter. But when some one is presenting you with solid information, that filter needs to let that information through and that information needs to stick with you like glue. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author edmltw
    Ego will always be there to stay.. Learn to live well with it!
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  • Profile picture of the author janvera
    Failure is a brother to success. If you didn't fail, you didn't try. If you don't try, you will never make it. Words to live by!
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  • Profile picture of the author emofree
    it's like don't be afraid of failure ... failure will make you strong if you fall down you can rise back up again. failure will always be there and it's really true that nobody is perfect.
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  • Profile picture of the author netalab
    your ego wont do any good for you.
    don't afraid to fail. It's always a part of our life.
    learn from your mistakes and try not to repeat the same mistakes again.
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  • Profile picture of the author EIH888
    I think we can learn from people without trying it first...

    Can we learn from nature's example?

    Have you ever been water flowing in a stream?
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    • Profile picture of the author strid3r
      Well if you have balls, you can try enlightenment. That will get you rid of your ego for sure

      You mantain your limiting beliefs not only because it's familiar and comfortable for you (you think it's You), but because you're afraid to stop maintaining them. What will happen to me? Oh my God. Who will I become? Just do it. Investigate them. You clearly see they're false - they're just limiting you. It's only a thought. Why to be so afraid of a thought? You're not them. So relax and break them
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Chua
    I firmly believe that experience is the best teacher. On the contrary, it is not necessary that we are the ones to experience in order to learn. We can learn from other people's mistakes or experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicholasCarter
    wayne dyer talks alot about ego:

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  • Profile picture of the author GIahGroup
    Ego is simply - 'I AM'

    the frailty comes in acting egocentric, its normal to have an Ego, but to then allow your Ego to act within the group mind is the preferable way.

    As for learning experiences..

    O.P.E - other peoples experiences are almost as valid to the Ego as a method of learning.

    Think about it.. you know you dont need to jump off a cliff to crack your head, yo know by OPE
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  • Profile picture of the author Drew_MX
    The people who have the most successes have failed the most number of times- I heard that while ago and liked hearing it
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    • Originally Posted by Drew_MX View Post

      The people who have the most successes have failed the most number of times- I heard that while ago and liked hearing it
      This is somewhat true, but you do not necessarily have to fail a lot of times in order for you to learn. Some situations are the same but the settings might change, don't get caught off guard.
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      • Profile picture of the author usmanshakir
        There are two types of people who are always successful in their life.
        One are those who learn from their failings and second are those who learn from others experience.
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