What is your per month income goal?

8 years ago

Originally Posted by jfrombk

So my question is, how much would it take for you to be comfortable /happy and would you just keep working on more businesses, or just put your time into other things.

When you look at the people like Murdoch, Gates etc they don't seem to stop regardless of the level of income.

Having been self employed since mid 1992 I've always had different goals along the way.

Monthly goals are a little too short term to really guide a decision.

There are plenty of people that seem to hit it big in a short space of time and although I might dream of hitting it big I know that the greatest leverage one can apply to wealth creation is time.

My goals tend to be more focused on time related things.

I always invest a proportion of my income for my long term benefit.

I try to find time to spend with my family and friends.

So although I have some modest growth goals associated with my business I tend to measure my success by other standards.

For example.

How many times I swam in the ocean this month

How many times I went fishing with both my sons and my Dad.

How many times I shared a meal with friends.

Money can buy time but you need to understand the value of time first and how your relationship with it translates into the way you give it away and what you are willing to trade for your time.

My real monthly income goal is not a monetary figure although I do have a regular monthly budget.

My real monthly goal is. . .

"How many diamond minutes of every golden hour can I spend doing what I enjoy with the people I love"

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jfrombk

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Oziboomer

When you look at the people like Murdoch, Gates etc they don't seem to stop regardless of the level of income.

Having been self employed since mid 1992 I've always had different goals along the way.

Monthly goals are a little too short term to really guide a decision.

There are plenty of people that seem to hit it big in a short space of time and although I might dream of hitting it big I know that the greatest leverage one can apply to wealth creation is time.

My goals tend to be more focused on time related things.

I always invest a proportion of my income for my long term benefit.

I try to find time to spend with my family and friends.

So although I have some modest growth goals associated with my business I tend to measure my success by other standards.

For example.

How many times I swam in the ocean this month

How many times I went fishing with both my sons and my Dad.

How many times I shared a meal with friends.

Money can buy time but you need to understand the value of time first and how your relationship with it translates into the way you give it away and what you are willing to trade for your time.

My real monthly income goal is not a monetary figure although I do have a regular monthly budget.

My real monthly goal is. . .

"How many diamond minutes of every golden hour can I spend doing what I enjoy with the people I love"

Best regards,

Ozi

This is a great answer. It seems like you have put money in the relationship with time because is indeed the most important thing we have on this earth!

How many diamond minutes of every golden hour can I spend doing what I enjoy with the people I love

Great way to put it

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GiftyO 8 years ago

Great answer. Awesome!

And that is what I am aspiring for - "spend many diamond minutes of every golden hour doing what I enjoy with the people I love."
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Odahh

8 years ago

i think to answer this you have to start by identifying the minimum you need to make from you business to support a comfortable life aka housing healthy food, health insurance , vehicle .. an a few other thing .. like saving and paying off consumer debt ..

hit that then before you use any increase in income for increase in lifestyle add to saveing.. pay off debt, pay off housing , put money aside to pay for next vehicle ..

ok it is really about identifying the lifestyle you want and makng the money through a business to support that ..

i have to keep an eye on my health .. i have met two people in the last year why where my age (38) and had made a lot of money.. but destroyed their health along the way .. one developed 1000 dollar a day cock habit .. and had had two heart attack and three strokes or was it three heat attacks and two stroke ,, and has 6 months to live with terminal cancer ..

and the other was a former stripper who made 1-3 thousand dollars a day .. but wrapped selophane around her waist and wore three sweaters then ran on a treadmill for several hours a day.. didn't eat real food and lived off vitamin suppliment.. and was very angry that she no had organ damage and three kinds of cancer ....a bad hear .. type 2 and adult onset type 1 diabetes ..

and i live in las Vegas now ..so you run in to people with plenty of money in the bank but shitty lives ..

if you don't lock down the happy. exciting/ true comfort .. before you begin building wealth.. it gets harder as you get more wealth and try to fill the hole.. at least you can pay the best doctor and the pop gurus and get someone to prescribe the best drugs ..

there is a difference between real comfort and the comfort zone most people are tolerating pain but surrounded by people with the same types of pain ..

if you are not married to staying in one area to make your income..and you are able ..to jump on a plane to a dozen places you can rent a luxury apartment for a month for 1500 , eat meals out for 5 -10 dollars for a gormet meal.. get a real (no happy ending ) massage for 10 -20 bucks every couple days.... be on or near a beach ..

honestly most people have no idea what comfort is .. ell you can stay in a decent hotel room in Las vegas for 100 bucks a night for a month

well.. you have to identify real comfort and realize you can upgrade your idea of comfort ..

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jfrombk

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

i think to answer this you have to start by identifying the minimum you need to make from you business to support a comfortable life aka housing healthy food, health insurance , vehicle .. an a few other thing .. like saving and paying off consumer debt ..

hit that then before you use any increase in income for increase in lifestyle add to saveing.. pay off debt, pay off housing , put money aside to pay for next vehicle ..

ok it is really about identifying the lifestyle you want and makng the money through a business to support that ..

i have to keep an eye on my health .. i have met two people in the last year why where my age (38) and had made a lot of money.. but destroyed their health along the way .. one developed 1000 dollar a day cock habit .. and had had two heart attack and three strokes or was it three heat attacks and two stroke ,, and has 6 months to live with terminal cancer ..

and the other was a former stripper who made 1-3 thousand dollars a day .. but wrapped selophane around her waist and wore three sweaters then ran on a treadmill for several hours a day.. didn't eat real food and lived off vitamin suppliment.. and was very angry that she no had organ damage and three kinds of cancer ....a bad hear .. type 2 and adult onset type 1 diabetes ..

and i live in las Vegas now ..so you run in to people with plenty of money in the bank but shitty lives ..

if you don't lock down the happy. exciting/ true comfort .. before you begin building wealth.. it gets harder as you get more wealth and try to fill the hole.. at least you can pay the best doctor and the pop gurus and get someone to prescribe the best drugs ..

there is a difference between real comfort and the comfort zone most people are tolerating pain but surrounded by people with the same types of pain ..

if you are not married to staying in one area to make your income..and you are able ..to jump on a plane to a dozen places you can rent a luxury apartment for a month for 1500 , eat meals out for 5 -10 dollars for a gormet meal.. get a real (no happy ending ) massage for 10 -20 bucks every couple days.... be on or near a beach ..

honestly most people have no idea what comfort is .. ell you can stay in a decent hotel room in Las vegas for 100 bucks a night for a month

well.. you have to identify real comfort and realize you can upgrade your idea of comfort ..

Thank you for your answer. Being so young, I didn't think that there were that many people struggling with those issues around your age

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YasirYar

8 years ago

Hmm. This is an interesting question.

When I started SEO back in 2008, I was only 23 year old and was ecstatic to make $2500. That novelty soon grew old and I just wasn't content with it anymore.

I kept working hard and had the biggest month of my life at $51,000 in 2013 after which I haven't been able to replicate such success. I guess that was a stroke of luck

I'd be happy to earn 30K per month. I guess after a certain amount of income, things really aren't that different.

Just my 2 cents.

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jfrombk

8 years ago

Originally Posted by YasirYar

Hmm. This is an interesting question.

When I started SEO back in 2008, I was only 23 year old and was ecstatic to make $2500. That novelty soon grew old and I just wasn't content with it anymore.

I kept working hard and had the biggest month of my life at $51,000 in 2013 after which I haven't been able to replicate such success. I guess that was a stroke of luck

I'd be happy to earn 30K per month. I guess after a certain amount of income, things really aren't that different.

Just my 2 cents.

51k most have felt amazing! But yes, I am in agreement with you with your position, as long as all my needs are met, and I have enough to do what I want and when I want the rest of that Is just excess.

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YasirYar

8 years ago

Originally Posted by jfrombk

51k most have felt amazing! But yes, I am in agreement with you with your position, as long as all my needs are met, and I have enough to do what I want and when I want the rest of that Is just excess.

Exactly! The thrill of making a lot of money dies down once you do it for a couple of months.

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jfrombk 8 years ago

Originally Posted by YasirYar

Exactly! The thrill of making a lot of money dies down once you do it for a couple of months.

I can agree with out even having made that much before. Lol
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hubertkoh

8 years ago

I think the usual answer will be an amount that is comfortable.

But I would say that it would be an amount passively such that what I like and enjoy doing.

Now note that doing what you love maybe not always be the smartest idea for income.

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jfrombk

8 years ago

Originally Posted by hubertkoh

I think the usual answer will be an amount that is comfortable.

But I would say that it would be an amount passively such that what I like and enjoy doing.

Now note that doing what you love maybe not always be the smartest idea for income.

I agree with you here.

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Odahh

8 years ago

because wealthy and rich people integrate their lifestyle with their business .. a lot of the cost of their comforts are shifted to business expense ..

if tai lopes is leasing or renting that big house .. and those cars as marketing tools .. they are clasified as business expenses .. which pale to what he spend on you tube add buys ..

this line of thinking escapes most people who buy everything with after tax dollars

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velvetcake

8 years ago

$6,250 per month is linked to happiness. ($75,000 per year) money really does solve problems and buy happiness up to a point. above that amount, it doesn't correlate. [2010 princeton study from 2008/2009 surveys]

also in wealth/happiness studies relative wealth is important. if you are significantly less wealthy than your neighbors in an expensive area..... that can take a toll on happiness.

my ideal life would have staff-- personal chef (personal chef is 1x a week, not a private chef which is everyday) assistant for errands, gardener, etc. so my "comfortable/ happy" goal is higher than $75,000. probably $25,000 per month ($300,000 per year after tax) as a baseline.

edit: saving/investing ideal is diverse including real estate.

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Odahh

8 years ago

Originally Posted by velvetcake

$6,250 per month is linked to happiness. ($75,000 per year) money really does solve problems and buy happiness up to a point. above that amount, it doesn't correlate. [2010 princeton study from 2008/2009 surveys]

also in wealth/happiness studies relative wealth is important. if you are significantly less wealthy than your neighbors in an expensive area..... that can take a toll on happiness.

my ideal life would have staff-- personal chef (personal chef is 1x a week, not a private chef which is everyday) assistant for errands, gardener, etc. so my "comfortable/ happy" goal is higher than $75,000. probably $25,000 per month ($300,000 per year after tax) as a baseline.

edit: saving/investing ideal is diverse including real estate.

the problem is the figure changes based on where you live or the cost of living where you live ..

most people gain relative happiness based on how much more money they have..than those around them .. if how much they make matter to their state of happiness ..

this was the original sale of working online ..verse the resent new way to work 80 hours a week to try and get rich.. because you can develop a online income of 3-5 k a month.. and then travel to place that are great to live and have lower costs of living ..

with a job .. to have high income you normally have to live where it is expensive to live ..

you make 250 in parts of cali .. or new york city.. and other parts of the world not only are you working broke but you are surrounded by people who make a lot more money .. so your relative happiness sucks as well ..

ok when you travel outside the country and away from tourist areas ..that are still safe for you too be ..and say you are also in an area where people are working 10 hours a day making 50 cents an hour ..

these people will be happy to have jobs.. and possibly send a good chunk of the money they make to family ..

true happiness and fulfillment is a direct result oh your ability to help those you care about ..and the amount of time you can spend with those who matter to you ..

right now .. i make maybe 1500 a month all cash..i am happy to have a place to sleep , heat and air conditioning, groceries or food to eat .. and im not tied to a job where people are telling me when i have to sleep wake up eat.. and when i can go the bathroom ..

i am also learning a lot doing what i am doing .. as i am talking to and in contact with people all the time who are very happy to see and talk to me while i work.. we are social beings .. the more you interact with other while you are happy and help them be happy .. it increases your own baseline happiness ..

the lie of our culture .. is basing everything off money ..which you can blame the catholic church for .. barter did not fall out of practice because money was easier to use.. the church wanted all transaction in cash..to get it's tithe ...

if you made 10000 in three days .. and relaxed the rest of the month .. even though if you did that every money.. and your in like the top 2 percent of incomes .. you are looked at as lazy ..

to attain real happiness you first have to purge your programming of the huge amount of conditioning that keeps you poor.. that teaches you that rich people are lazy and bad and unhappy.. and working like a slave is a virtue ..

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velvetcake 8 years ago

princeton study was 450,000 people in all 50 states. no regional trends were mentioned in the results. basically, under $75,000 has more emotional pain. over that threshold, more money doesn't correlate with more happiness.

I understand what you are saying about regions with high cost of living (particularly housing costs) but that wasn't mentioned as a trend. this money threshold of $75k was more like defense than offense.... that it adequately minimized the pain related to being poor.
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Odahh

8 years ago

Originally Posted by velvetcake

$6,250 per month is linked to happiness. ($75,000 per year) money really does solve problems and buy happiness up to a point. above that amount, it doesn't correlate. [2010 princeton study from 2008/2009 surveys]

also in wealth/happiness studies relative wealth is important. if you are significantly less wealthy than your neighbors in an expensive area..... that can take a toll on happiness.

my ideal life would have staff-- personal chef (personal chef is 1x a week, not a private chef which is everyday) assistant for errands, gardener, etc. so my "comfortable/ happy" goal is higher than $75,000. probably $25,000 per month ($300,000 per year after tax) as a baseline.

edit: saving/investing ideal is diverse including real estate.

save to invest ..and real investment are assets that produce income.. so buy stock that has a dividend .. you can even turn your personal residence into an asset .. if it never goes up in value .. via having a home office, or having a backyard farm.. if you buy a place with an idea of what you want to do to make money and what is legal where you are ..

you can get your personal chef or a chef too cook for you one time a week.. if you grow food for their operation on your land .. or for several chefs ..so every week one come over and cooks ..

there are many more ways to get what you want than just earning the money to buy it.. hell there are loads of more effective or efficient ways to get much of what you want ..

shit not to far in the future you will have a cooking robot or home based kiosk that you just put the ingredients in the correct imput slots and the robot will cook it .. granted it may cost 10 -30 k .. but having a personal cheff to cook three meals a day..the works every day and may only be down a few days at a time ..

look there is already those little robot vacuums .. its not too long before you can send drones to pick up your take out food ..or pick your groceries up from the store so .. you do not have to get them all at once ..

you will have home based medicel equipment .. that beats going to the doctor.. that for easy tests .. can tell you what you need to eat .. today or in the next few day to take care of deficiencies ..

create your model of success based of of what is possible today or in the future..instead of what rich people or wealthy people did in the past ..

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velvetcake

8 years ago

yes, there a lot of options with more in the future. my ideal includes stocks and also real estate because stock markets can be volatile. dividends are nice, but do require volume.

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Odahh

8 years ago

Originally Posted by velvetcake

yes, there a lot of options with more in the future. my ideal includes stocks and also real estate because stock markets can be volatile. dividends are nice, but do require volume.

you have to re examine the real estate .. it depends how much work you want to do.. many who build wealth in real estate build another business and invest extra in real estate ..stocks really depend on your personality ..can you stay with stocks through those time 20 -50 percent of the value of your portfolio disappears in a month or two ..

now there are many ways to turn your home into an income producing asset.. or the land you are on.. if you study homesteaders and off girders, and backyard farmers ..or build a social media based business from your house ..

invest in yourself.. your education and your skill development

rich and wealthy people are buying land as a long term investment..if you have the skills to build an income from that land that transfers to an income for the land owner .. or if you have the skill to grow a garden and supply a good amount of your own food and grow specialty crops to sell from small plots ..

remember the people earning 75000 a year are probably doing it from a job..and with two incomes ..so really do not use that as a guide .. if you have your own business you can legally put your thumb on the scale ..to reduce your tax burden ..and shift many after tax items to business expenses ..

lets say you own a property and have a garden .. and a few chickens ..in the garden you grow say salad green and your herbs spices .. some tomatoes and peppers .. and you feed extra stuff to the chickens ..

how much do fresh herbs and spices cost in the store .. how much does organic salad mixes cost ..so by doing that you save money..but you also grow enough extra herbs and spices to sell and provide a profit ..over cost to set up the garden and cost of seeds or your labor ..you pull several items from and area you would have had to use after tax money to buy .. to pre tax business expenses and you improve your diet and health ..

and over time your soil gets better your skills get better and you grow more food ..long term investment in yourself ..

play the game of transferring as many .. thing you buy on a regular basis into with after tax dollars into business expense ..

work life integration..

the problem with the make money online crowd ..is they are limiting themselves to online concepts..verse things that can be started offling then moved to marketing and disripution with online systems ..

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velvetcake

8 years ago

homesteading, farming, sustainable living mixed with business expenses as tax write-offs is good advice, but it's not my skill set.

I have an undergraduate business degree including accounting coursework, so I understand your practical emphasis on business tax advantages. it's good to remember.

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Odahh

8 years ago

Originally Posted by velvetcake

homesteading, farming, sustainable living mixed with business expenses as tax write-offs is good advice, but it's not my skill set.

I have an undergraduate business degree including accounting coursework, so I understand your practical emphasis on business tax advantages. it's good to remember.

a lot are not in my skill set now either but i am working toward that in the next 5-10 years .. developing different skills as i can ...

the biggest factor in building wealth is leverage .. you do not need all the skill sets you need to identify those with the skill sets you need .. who are able to work when you need them ..

i feel bad i hope you are not piling on a heap of debt .. to get a degree .. where the skill setts you are learning in your couses.. can be outsourced to cheaper accountants over seas ..or replaced by advanced computer programs

you may have to develop many more skill sets

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velvetcake 8 years ago

I am working toward that in the next 5-10 years.. developing different skills as i can

I will keep that advice in mind regarding self-sustainability and land management.

as far as undergad degree, it's okay. for entrepreneurship, I do have a lot of interests. so it's getting my interest focused plus business model in sync. I'm making progress. thanks for the input.
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jfrombk

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Odahh

a lot are not in my skill set now either but i am working toward that in the next 5-10 years .. developing different skills as i can ...

the biggest factor in building wealth is leverage .. you do not need all the skill sets you need to identify those with the skill sets you need .. who are able to work when you need them ..

i feel bad i hope you are not piling on a heap of debt .. to get a degree .. where the skill setts you are learning in your couses.. can be outsourced to cheaper accountants over seas ..or replaced by advanced computer programs

you may have to develop many more skill sets

there is no reason to feel sorry for velvet. I have more debt from college and it just makes me want it more. There are also so many ways out of student debit that I will not let it control my life. A lot of the gurus had tons of debit as well. It just becomes motivation. everyones walk is differnet.

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Odahh

8 years ago

Originally Posted by jfrombk

there is no reason to feel sorry for velvet. I have more debt from college and it just makes me want it more. There are also so many ways out of student debit that I will not let it control my life. A lot of the gurus had tons of debit as well. It just becomes motivation. everyones walk is differnet.

why not get out of it..most gurus got out of debt that was not there to acquire an asset ..now i agree .. everyone's walk is different.. the issue becomes if the degrees actually give you skill that are of enough value to return the investment ..

a huge number of people who took out student loans are in default , or many with degrees are in jobs that don't require degrees but employers can require then just becuse there are so many people with degrees .. so if you are hireing baristas at starbuck or waiters /waitresses in a reseraunt.. you may go with the degree person first ..

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jfrombk

8 years ago

Originally Posted by velvetcake

$6,250 per month is linked to happiness. ($75,000 per year) money really does solve problems and buy happiness up to a point. above that amount, it doesn't correlate. [2010 princeton study from 2008/2009 surveys]

also in wealth/happiness studies relative wealth is important. if you are significantly less wealthy than your neighbors in an expensive area..... that can take a toll on happiness.

my ideal life would have staff-- personal chef (personal chef is 1x a week, not a private chef which is everyday) assistant for errands, gardener, etc. so my "comfortable/ happy" goal is higher than $75,000. probably $25,000 per month ($300,000 per year after tax) as a baseline.

edit: saving/investing ideal is diverse including real estate.

what would it matter if you are not as wealthy as your neighbors. and how would you actually gather that information?

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velvetcake

8 years ago

you find out that "information" by status symbols. sure, old money doesn't necessarily flaunt it. there is also the saying "all hat, no cattle"... where the status symbol is every dime of wealth. but "keeping up with the joneses" can be very real and your level of success may be below average compared to your peers.

"the best superyacht toys for billionaires and beyond" nat geo documentary

if you watch that documentary..... these competitive billionaires really like to rub it in that their yacht is better than their neighbors' yachts in monte carlo. "you may be rich, but not THAT rich." to a competitive person....... that's a bitter pill to swallow.

edit: better quality, same video
"luxury lifestyle of billionaires" (41:14)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1HgU2_qzVw

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jfrombk

8 years ago

Originally Posted by velvetcake

you find out that "information" by status symbols. sure, old money doesn't necessarily flaunt it. there is also the saying "all hat, no cattle"... where the status symbol is every dime of wealth. but "keeping up with the joneses" can be very real and your level of success may be below average compared to your peers.

"the best superyacht toys for billionaires and beyond" nat geo documentary

if you watch that documentary..... these competitive billionaires really like to rub it in that their yacht is better than their neighbors' yachts in monte carlo. "you may be rich, but not THAT rich." to a competitive person....... that's a bitter pill to swallow.

edit: better quality, same video
"luxury lifestyle of billionaires" (41:14)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1HgU2_qzVw

Got cha. That information that you speak off is more for those whose public income and information is accessible. If you are working as an online entrepreneur in some form or way, no one would have access to that unless you are very public on it on social media. Its just different.

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velvetcake

8 years ago

If you are working as an online entrepreneur in some form or way, no one would have access to that unless to that unless you are very public on it on social media. Its just different.

agree. it also depends on how social you want to be in real life. mingling with the upper class or upper middle class isn't that important to me, so I don't have pressure to impress people with the de rigueur mercedes or whatever. less pressure is less stress.

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jfrombk

8 years ago

Originally Posted by velvetcake

you find out that "information" by status symbols. sure, old money doesn't necessarily flaunt it. there is also the saying "all hat, no cattle"... where the status symbol is every dime of wealth. but "keeping up with the joneses" can be very real and your level of success may be below average compared to your peers.

"the best superyacht toys for billionaires and beyond" nat geo documentary

if you watch that documentary..... these competitive billionaires really like to rub it in that their yacht is better than their neighbors' yachts in monte carlo. "you may be rich, but not THAT rich." to a competitive person....... that's a bitter pill to swallow.

edit: better quality, same video
"luxury lifestyle of billionaires" (41:14)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m1HgU2_qzVw

I guess you are right. I don't really see a point of trying to be competitive about someone else's money though. That's one thing most people would tell you, never worry about whats in another person pocket.

Originally Posted by plamen2000

My short-term goal is making $100k/month. Then I will find the best way to make long-term passive income. I don't want to work all my life. I want to spend my time laughing with my wife and playing with my kids.

THIS
You sound so much like me! that's my goal. Its more of a time thing. I just want to make that so I can spend as much time with my wife and my child(children when more come) because time is the most important thing. so much more important than the actual cash.

Originally Posted by Master Blake

$1 a month as long as I'm happy.

happiness is the true end goal.

Originally Posted by dburk

Currently, $4.17 million, will likely raise it afterwards.

In my opinion it's important to have a specific goal to set your course by, otherwise you are just wandering aimlessly.

Even if you do not reach your goal, simple having a goal and remaining focused on it can keep you from getting lost. You'll always know where you came from and where you are heading.

For example, in 1492 Christopher Columbus set a course for India, sailing west from Spain. While he never made it all the way to India, he at least had a course to follow and changed the world in the process.

nice!!!!!!!

that's per month?

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Nicholas Cross

8 years ago

Wow! Your friends have tackled online success. 100,000 a month is a beautiful number - I have trouble even imagining what that'd be like. ALSO- Bravo to you for being a happy, motivated man. A successful attitude breeds success.

For me, personally, to be comfortably happy - would be enough to quit my day job and travel, while occasionally checking in to make sure everything is running smoothly (so, approximately 4 hours a week of work).

So - I'd say 5,000 dollars a month. I think that is pretty comfortable.

I've implemented steps to lighten the mental load - right now, I'm shooting for 1,000 dollars a month.

Good luck to everyone <3

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jfrombk

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Nicholas Cross

Wow! Your friends have tackled online success. 100,000 a month is a beautiful number - I have trouble even imagining what that'd be like. ALSO- Bravo to you for being a happy, motivated man. A successful attitude breeds success.

For me, personally, to be comfortably happy - would be enough to quit my day job and travel, while occasionally checking in to make sure everything is running smoothly (so, approximately 4 hours a week of work).

So - I'd say 5,000 dollars a month. I think that is pretty comfortable.

I've implemented steps to lighten the mental load - right now, I'm shooting for 1,000 dollars a month.

Good luck to everyone <3

Thank you very much. Yea they are not people that I know in person, but a few of them are well known success stories. I know there are a lot of frauds online, but the people that I see in these areas are those I have seen grow in the years I have known them. good luck to you too.

Thanks

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hardraysnight

8 years ago

my monthly income goal is enough

i dont have a monthly income gaol

Thanks

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