Discussion of verses in Proverbs as guidelines for success?

15 years ago

I often open Proverbs---best place there is to get passwords that are easy to remember and very secure!

For your verse relating to IM work---

Prvbs.22:3 "A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge,
but the simple keep going and suffer for it".

What else do you need to tell you to get the best virus, spyware and malware protection available for your computer?

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Nathan Alexander

15 years ago

Hi Carlos, you really might like this book if you haven't read it yet -

"The Richest Man Who Ever Lived: King Solomon's Secrets to Success, Wealth, and Happiness" by Steven K. Scott

Excellent reading and thought provoking. Steve Scott himself is a Christian and has done very well in direct marketing I believe (mutli-millionaire that has credited the teachings in Proverbs for his wealth), as in infomercials and stuff.

Great book about Proverbs and the wisdom within. He also talks about decisions he's made that go against the truths in Proverbs and how he's lost fortunes as well.

Now I gotta go re-read it!

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carlos123 15 years ago

Sounds like a wonderful book Nathan. Now if only I could succeed enough to have the discretionary income to go buy the book LOL.

Maybe after you go read it you can get a hold of me and we can start a thread to discuss some of the verses he talks about in his book.

Carlos
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- Frank Shrum 15 years ago
  
  Shalom Carlos,
  
  I think the book of Proverbs is an excellent place to study Internet marketing from.
  
  In my experience when it comes to trying to find a little bit of wisdom within this book it bring an overwhelming situation to hand in that it's like the old Lays potato chip commercial used to say... "Bet ya can't eat just one." Proverbs is that way for me in that "Bet ya can't choose/read just one."
  
  That being said I was just now messing around with my desktop bible & opened it to Proverbs then from the 1st chapter I started just clicking the forward button (the one that skips by chapters & not verses) in rapid succession. I don't know how many times I clicked (perhaps 19) but it stopped fast forwarding on ch19 so here's what that chapter says:
  
  Chapter 19
  1 Better is the poor who walks in his integrity
  than he who is perverse in his lips and is a fool.
  2 It isn't good to have zeal without knowledge;
  nor being hasty with one's feet and missing the way.
  3 The foolishness of man subverts his way;
  his heart rages against the LORD.
  4 Wealth adds many friends,
  but the poor is separated from his friend.
  5 A false witness shall not be unpunished.
  He who pours out lies shall not go free.
  6 Many will entreat the favor of a ruler,
  and everyone is a friend to a man who gives gifts.
  7 All the relatives of the poor shun him:
  how much more do his friends avoid him!
  He pursues them with pleas, but they are gone.
  8 He who gets wisdom loves his own soul.
  He who keeps understanding shall find good.
  9 A false witness shall not be unpunished.
  He who utters lies shall perish.
  10 Delicate living is not appropriate for a fool,
  much less for a servant to have rule over princes.
  11 The discretion of a man makes him slow to anger.
  It is his glory to overlook an offense.
  12 The king's wrath is like the roaring of a lion,
  but his favor is like dew on the grass.
  13 A foolish son is the calamity of his father.
  A wife's quarrels are a continual dripping.
  14 House and riches are an inheritance from fathers,
  but a prudent wife is from the LORD.
  15 Slothfulness casts into a deep sleep.
  The idle soul shall suffer hunger.
  16 He who keeps the commandment keeps his soul,
  but he who is contemptuous in his ways shall die.
  17 He who has pity on the poor lends to the LORD;
  he will reward him.
  18 Discipline your son, for there is hope;
  don't be a willing party to his death.
  19 A hot-tempered man must pay the penalty,
  for if you rescue him, you must do it again.
  20 Listen to counsel and receive instruction,
  that you may be wise in your latter end.
  21 There are many plans in a man's heart,
  but the LORD's counsel will prevail.
  22 That which makes a man to be desired is his kindness.
  A poor man is better than a liar.
  23 The fear of the LORD leads to life, then contentment;
  he rests and will not be touched by trouble.
  24 The sluggard buries his hand in the dish;
  he will not so much as bring it to his mouth again.
  25 Flog a scoffer, and the simple will learn prudence;
  rebuke one who has understanding, and he will gain knowledge.
  26 He who robs his father and drives away his mother,
  is a son who causes shame and brings reproach.
  27 If you stop listening to instruction, my son,
  you will stray from the words of knowledge.
  28 A corrupt witness mocks justice,
  and the mouth of the wicked gulps down iniquity.
  29 Penalties are prepared for scoffers,
  and beatings for the backs of fools.
  
  This is taken from the: HNV Hebrew Names Version of the World English Bible
  The Hebrew Names Version of The World English Bible (WEB) so it will sound a little different than the KJV.
  
  It is kinda odd how it stopped here seeing as this thread is what compelled me to look into it.
  
  I just thought you might be interested in this as well as how I came by it so now I say, enjoy.
  
  I'll keep reading and see about how I can compile a list of verses in there which deal only with this subject but I think you will have to agree that most of these verses are dealing exactly with this subject.
  
  Since Yom Kippur is about to start (09-27-09 evening & morning of 28th) I shall make this my last post today & wish everyone a Shabbat Shalom & may your name be written in the book of life!
  
  Shalom,
  Frank
  
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  carlos123 15 years ago
  
  Hi Frank,
  
  Thanks for posting the proverbs that you did. We could spend countless threads discussing the implications of these verses alone for internet success.
  
  Look forward to hearing your further thoughts after the Sabbath Frank.
  
  We can learn much from Proverbs I think...making our way easier and ultimately more fulfilling than if we ignore it.
  
  The book of Proverbs also highlights the truth that success is not equal to having lots of money. That money should not be the end all and be all of our lives. That it truly cannot bring us deep contentment which is only possible through a right relationship to God.
  
  What I had in mind for a discussion and I don't know if this is possible within the framework of forum capabilities or whether such a thing would be acceptable to do here but...we could start up one thread as a sort of table of contents pointing to other threads discussing particular chapters or even particular verses in Proverbs.
  
  So new threads would be started to discuss individual chapters or particular verses as desired by those wanting to discuss. And whoever starts the table of contents thread would edit it to point to any new threads begun.
  
  Any input from anyone on how we might best engage in such a discussion here would be appreciated. Does my idea of a table of contents thread pointing to other threads sound feasible?
  
  Carlos
  
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  Kevin Flask 15 years ago
  
  Hello Carlos,
  
  You may find this helpful...
  
  I am currently reading "Enough: Discovering Joy Through Simplicity and Generosity" by Adam Hamilton.
  
  This was given to me by my Pastor as a recommendation by our Bishop to have the Laity in his churches read this.
  
  Something that struck me was this passage:
  
  "There is a balance between making the acquisition of money and possessions your focus and not doing enough to provide for yourself. Read Proverbs 30:7-9."
  
  Earlier in the chapter, this also stood out:
  
  "By pursuing good financial practices, we free ourselves from debt so that we are able to be in mission to the world. If God calls us to go or to do or to give, we can because we are free."
  
  That is the position I seek to be in.
  
  All the best,
  
  Kevin
  
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  carlos123 15 years ago
  
  Good thoughts to ponder Kevin. Thanks for sharing them!
  
  Carlos
  
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  glchandler 15 years ago
  
  Just to add a few more...
  
  prvbs 14:15....."A simple man believes anything,
  but a prudent man gives thoughts to his
  steps"......RESEARCH!
  
  prvbs 14:23....."All hard work brings a profit,
  but mere talk leads only to poverty"
  Speaks for itself!
  
  prvbs 14:28..."A large population is a king's glory,
  but without subjects a prince is ruined".
  This speaks of the ever important LIST (I know its a
  STRETCH!
  
  Frank...not at all trying to be snippy or insulting but:
  
  It is kinda odd how it stopped here seeing as this thread is what compelled me to look into it.
  
  I believe this is what makes all of our lives tick away....if we are believers then we need to recognize this type of intervention....no matter what degree.
  
  Have a wonderful evening!
  
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  carlos123 15 years ago
  
  Thanks glchandler! Good one's.
  
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Will Edwards

15 years ago

Well - I quite like ... "a nagging wife is like a dripping tap." And, you know, when you start putting in all those hours article marketing or whatever, you will surely come to know the truth of this verse.

Will

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carlos123

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Will Edwards

Well - I quite like ... "a nagging wife is like a dripping tap." And, you know, when you start putting in all those hours article marketing or whatever, you will surely come to know the truth of this verse.

Will

My sympathies Will. Truly.

We have to understand the basis of that nagging which may be the desire for relationship which is perhaps unmet by having their husband spend every spare hour in front of the computer.

Part of the solution may be to tone down the exact number of hours spent in front of the computer to spend some quality time with our wives. I wish I had done that more when I was married.

For a while when I tried to start my first attempt at an internet business (teaching others how to build business class web sites) I did little more than site in front of my computer all day, every day. My wife had a real hard time with that.

Part of the problem too may be that women these days do not make the kind of wives that many were in the olden days. A woman should follow her husband and entrust her well being to God through her husband. Looking to God for her own needs to be met. Through her husband yes...but keeping her eyes on God not her husband as the ultimate source of her deepest emotional needs being met.

Women get their eyes off God (and I am speaking about Christian women here), put them on their man instead and then end up putting all kinds of expectations on their husbands to be the source of meeting all their needs. That causes a big problem.

Carlos

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Frank Shrum

15 years ago

Originally Posted by carlos123

My sympathies Will. Truly.

We have to understand the basis of that nagging which may be the desire for relationship which is perhaps unmet by having their husband spend every spare hour in front of the computer.

Part of the solution may be to tone down the exact number of hours spent in front of the computer to spend some quality time with our wives. I wish I had done that more when I was married.

For a while when I tried to start my first attempt at an internet business (teaching others how to build business class web sites) I did little more than site in front of my computer all day, every day. My wife had a real hard time with that.

Part of the problem too may be that women these days do not make the kind of wives that many were in the olden days. A woman should follow her husband and entrust her well being to God through her husband. Looking to God for her own needs to be met. Through her husband yes...but keeping her eyes on God not her husband as the ultimate source of her deepest emotional needs being met.

Women get their eyes off God (and I am speaking about Christian women here), put them on their man instead and then end up putting all kinds of expectations on their husbands to be the source of meeting all their needs. That causes a big problem.

Carlos

Shalom Carlos,

I think your statements go along with "The Virtuous Woman" described in Proverbs 31 starting with verse 10:

10. Who can find a worthy woman?
For her price is far above rubies.
11. The heart of her husband trusts in her.
He shall have no lack of gain.
12. She does him good, and not harm,
all the days of her life.
13. She seeks wool and flax,
and works eagerly with her hands.
14. She is like the merchant ships.
She brings her bread from afar.
15. She rises also while it is yet night,
gives food to her household,
and portions for her servant girls.
16. She considers a field, and buys it.
With the fruit of her hands, she plants a vineyard.
17. She arms her waist with strength,
and makes her arms strong.
18.. She perceives that her merchandise is profitable.
Her lamp doesn't go out by night.
19. She lays her hands to the distaff,
and her hands hold the spindle.
20. She opens her arms to the poor;
yes, she extends her hands to the needy.
21. She is not afraid of the snow for her household;
for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
22. She makes for herself carpets of tapestry.
Her clothing is fine linen and purple.
23. Her husband is respected in the gates,
when he sits among the elders of the land.
24. She makes linen garments and sells them,
and delivers sashes to the merchant.
25. Strength and dignity are her clothing.
She laughs at the time to come.
26. She opens her mouth with wisdom.
Faithful instruction is on her tongue.
27. She looks well to the ways of her household,
and doesn't eat the bread of idleness.
28. Her children rise up and call her blessed.
Her husband also praises her:
29. "Many women do noble things,
but you excel them all."
30. Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain;
but a woman who fears the LORD, she shall be praised.
31. Give her of the fruit of her hands!
Let her works praise her in the gates!

Consider all of it one verse at a time & I think you will find that this woman does not set around expecting a man to do everything for her...

The sages of Israel claim that Adam (man) was to go out & get (i.e. grow crops, hunt, fish, etc.) the raw material to provide for his wife, Chava (Hebrew for Eve - woman) who was to take that raw material & transform it into a usable form by cleaning it & preparing it for her family to be able to consume it, be it food for the body (life), cloth for clothes (coverings from the elements) or whatever.

She (Chava - Woman) was to do what men seem unable to do, naturally, because of their lack of attention to the details (among many many other things) that these duties require & of which a woman, naturally, is superbly designed with the AWESOME ability to do.

That being said... notice that she does not wait for her man to come buy her a field & then plant crops on it for her; but she, instead, sets about doing these things herself & then she sells the produce from them & uses the money to cloth & care for her family on the style of kings & princes (i.e. look at where it tells us what kind of cloth she makes their clothes out of)...

21. She is not afraid of the snow for her household;
for all her household are clothed with scarlet - {the colors of kings & princes}.
22. She makes for herself carpets of tapestry.
Her clothing is fine linen and purple - {Scarlet & Purple are the colors of royalty & were VERY expensive in ages past & they are indicating she is wealthy because of her diligence of not waiting for a man to do it for her but she makes herself an indispensable benefit to her man}.

Notice what it says about the man (her husband):

10. Who can find a worthy woman?
For her price is far above rubies. (this woman is rare, indeed. I've still not found her but it's not for a lack of searching.)
11. The heart of her husband trusts in her.
He shall have no lack of gain. (i.e. his business(es) prosper because of her presence in his life as his wife & her diligence on his, as well as her, behalf)
12. She does him good, and not harm,
all the days of her life.

23. Her husband is respected in the gates,
when he sits among the elders of the land. (i.e. when he goes out into the city (Internet Marketing Conferences, etc.) to do his business then he gets the opportunity to hear good things about her & how blessed he is to have such a great & supportive wife). This is because everyone can see his success &, like I said, he didn't get there all by himself, most of the time.

These actions on her part are all going towards building up THEIR house, which THEY are doing together & not just him trying to do it all by himself.

My experience has been that most of the wives men find in todays world are wanting someone to give them everything & all they have to do all day long is sit around the house playing "Guitar Hero" (experienced & witnessed) eating Bonbon's (or eating up his wealth with spending sprees of all kinds, etc... again, experienced & witnessed).

It's been said that "Wherever you find a successful man you will find a good & supportive woman." {supportive was added by me}... They never seem to be separate, very often, meaning that it takes both of them (the man & the woman) to acquire great success.

Let's face it women, us men are little boys at heart & we need to be supported with A LOT of tender loving care... Our ego's are very easy to be bruised & we need the nurturing abilities of the woman to build up our strength... We can't do it alone. Our mommas didn't teach us we could. LOL

I can here the men out there saying, right now... "Not me!!!" "I don't need a woman to encourage & be a support system for me" "I can do everything all by myself!" then why haven't you done it, already, if you can? All I can say to you is: "You go lie to your friends & I'll go lie to mine but let's not lie to each other!" You and me, both, know how much we need the woman to stroke our ego's & encourage us, sometimes.

Think about this... when you succeed at something, who is the first one(s) you think to go tell about what you've done? According to your age (& several other factors) I'll place my money on either your momma, your girlfriend or your wife (all of them women). THEN after you've told them is when you want to go tell the guys about it (brag).

We (men) want the awe from the woman but we want the respect from the guys.

Here's a tip for you women & you men might even learn something from it, too:

I used to be a "Bounty Hunter" & most of the time, when I/we were searching for a MALE subject that was thought to still be in the vicinity, the first things we did was consider the age of him & according to his age was where we set up our initial surveillances at; his mother's house or his girlfriend/wife's house...

In nearly every case we caught him because he, either, called his mother or girlfriend/wife or went to see her before he skipped out of town.

When a man has done something to where he thinks he has to flee from law enforcement etc., VERY RARELY will he leave town without going to see his momma or at least calling her to get her to meet him somewhere. This is so he can say bye to her, first.

In the beginning stages of a man hunt & the older he is the more likely he is to contact his mother first 'cause he don't know when or if he will ever see her again after he runs (she might die before he can return, etc.).

A girlfriend/wife is WAAAAY more likely to be around later on after he flees {and might help him if he needs or wants something} than his mother especially if she is rich in years.

The female is very important to the psyche of the male and, as this tip indicates, he will even put himself in jeopardy for her.

With this knowledge of how the male mind works there's no end to understanding how powerful an asset a good woman can be to the success of a man if she will just not quit & give up on him before he accomplishes his dreams of success, whatever they are.

Salomon was right when he said/wrote things like "It's better for a man to dwell on the house top than in the house with a nagging wife", plus others like it & he should know seeing as he had over 300 wives & 700 concubines (WOW!!! what a life he must have lived. LOL). According to where that many wives lived it would seem that he might have been better off leaving the whole country when/if they got mad at him.

Myself, I'm like Carlos... How much of that do us men bring upon ourselves when we pay too much attention to our dreams and not enough to our wives, but then I digress 'cause some wives just can't be pleased no matter how much Quality time a man gives them.

Just my 2 or 3 cents worth on the subject. LOL

Shalom,
Frank

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carlos123 15 years ago

Hi Frank,

Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. You bring up some excellent thoughts Frank. There is much that could be said in response or in addition to what you said.

I am very tired tonight...it's 5:00 AM and I really need to go to sleep. My fingers are barely able to type.

Just a couple of thoughts to add to what you said...

Women can indeed be a great blessing to a man. There is something about a woman that gives a man companionship of a kind that he can find nowhere else. I am not talking about just the sexual part but more about the totality of what a woman is or what the Lord meant for her to be for the man.

Unfortunately such women as make great wives are as rare as finding gold on the ground these days. Our society has become feminized in a way that God never intended. Men and what God intended them to be with the help of their women have succumbed to this feminization and have become less for it.

When I say feminization I mean the feminizing of our society. Where women have come to have an inordinate role in our society. They have lost the godly leadership of men in their lives. They have taken themselves out from the protection of men.

I am talking about the way God intended things to be.

Just as a man often cannot easily become all that God intended for him to be without a good woman so likewise a woman without a good man in her life ceases to have adequate guidance in her life. Her emotions get the best of her and end up causing trouble. I have seen it again and again. Where a woman without a strong man in her life becomes a loose cannon.

But we have to deal with what is and not how we might wish them to be. We cannot always realize what God intended as the best for reasons beyond our control.

In the end it is not the woman or the man that we need in our lives but relationship to the living God. Real relationship. He is the source of all life and He can give us the grace as men and women to rise above our nature inclinations and to be better persons that we could be without Him.

We may never find the kind of woman or man that we would like to have. I have been single and I have been married and looking back on my life I can say with all certainty that marriage is not the end all and be all to life though at one time I thought it was. What counts is relationship to God by faith and the expression of love that reflects His love in us. If we have that...we are of all men most blessed.

Without that we have nothing even if we have a woman in our life.

Carlos
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highprofitdi

15 years ago

Proverbs:10:23 "It as sport to a fool to do mischief, but a man of understanding hath wisdom." This definitely speaks to those who choose to scam others rather than run a legitimate IM business they will never find true prosperity and they only bring a bad name to the rest of us.

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carlos123

15 years ago

Originally Posted by highprofitdi

Proverbs:10:23 "It as sport to a fool to do mischief, but a man of understanding hath wisdom." This definitely speaks to those who choose to scam others rather than run a legitimate IM business they will never find true prosperity and they only bring a bad name to the rest of us.

Good one highprofit! A fool enjoys the sport of doing mischief whereas a man of good understanding uses wisdom in his endeavours.

Carlos

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Landare

15 years ago

Hello Carlos,
I'm really glad to come across your post.I'm new on warrior forum.I think God inspired you to start this discussion,it is true that as much as we want to make money on the internet we should not loose focus on God because the scriptures tells us that HE is the one who giveth thee Power to make wealth.Yes i agree with you the book of proverb is an embodiment of useful guides to Godly,Sweet and lasting success in life.I would really want all internet marketers to all bear this in mind and keep GOD in focus as we pursue after money on the internet. Carlos i will love to hear more on the things that you learn from the book of proverb and together we take this to a whole new lenght for GOD. God Bless you all.

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carlos123 15 years ago

Thanks for your encouraging thoughts Landare.

I am not really sure where this thread or idea, of discussing what wisdom Proverbs might give us as we pursue internet success will go but for now I guess I will continue to post thoughts I get as I read in Proverbs.

Lately I have not so much been reading in Proverbs as much as reading the Gospels afresh. The Lord has seemingly laid on my heart the state of the Church in North American in general and how it has lost the focus on discipleship that the Lord spoke about.

We have ceased to be a relationship oriented Body and have instead become a body of persons focused on programs, ministries, teachings, Sunday services and Sunday schools, and other things which in themselves are good but fall short of being what the Body is supposed to focus on. Love of God by expressing it in a willingness to lay down our lives for each other.

Relationship!

One can often build relationship with others and move closer to helping them become true disciples by going hiking than going to a Sunday service. By hanging out playing Risk than by going to yet one more home Bible Study.

I am tired of playing Church and participating in spiritual activities. I want the real God in the midst of a body of believers that are willing to get real with each other and get involved in each other's lives.

That is where my heart is focused right now. Not so much on Proverbs even though I started this thread .

Carlos
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