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How to Filter Snippy Criticism on the Warrior Forum

by ryanbiddulph
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Getting respectful, genuine feedback can help grow your business. I get that.

Guys like Steve and John M regularly serve up helpful insights from a compassionate, honest, respectful energy.

But.....

....some other Warriors generally offer PSP's in response to posts, lobbing snippy criticism your way.

Some members fear asking questions for being subjected to this PSP criticism. Other folks get caught up in fights with the PSP crowd.

What is PSP?

Pot Shot Pain

Pot Shot Pain is an intended sarcastic, nasty or biting snippet lobbed your way.

The truth behind it; these pot shots are fueled by pain and fear. Someone hurting. Someone afraid. Nobody who is happy and well does the PSP bit unless they are having a rare moment.

The PSP crowd will say "hey toughen up or develop thick skin or cut the hippy dippy stuff out" but again, that is anger, masking pain, masking fear. Peep the reactions below. You may get a few of these

That fear manifests from trauma suffered earlier in life. Rather than dealing with it and feeling the pain, to open their hearts, they choose to bury it, to resist it and to give off the appearance of having a rough exterior and callous attitude. Nothing to do with you. 100% to do with them.

Guys, when you realize this truth, you will not only get over the fear of being criticized here, but you will also have compassion for the PSP crowd. In addition, you will ask pressing questions and get honest, thoughtful and helpful answers from guys like Steve and John served up in respectful, calm and confident fashion.

This post is for the newbie marketers, struggling marketers and yes, the PSP crowd who is annoyed after reading the same question 10,000 times, but may want to take a deep breath and realize that when you REALLY own your stuff and feel your pain, you will do a full 180 and treat human beings with respect, mindfulness and compassion, versus projecting your pain-fear on them.

Something to think about for all of us to improve our quality of life, and to improve the quality of interactions here on Warrior.
#criticism #filter #forum #snippy #warrior
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Good words Ryan, and if you click on Settings up top, and then click on Edit Ignore List, in Settings and Options, (left) you can effectively block members comments here, although unfortunately quoting will still appear.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Ryan,

    I usually admire your positive approach and optimistic outlook - but this is a lecture post - where you psychoanalyze people who take 'pot shots'. Why not just admit you don't like everyone here (that's normal) - and put those persons on 'ignore' so you don't see their responses?

    You say 'doesn't affect me' - but this thread seems to say otherwise. I don't think newbies are affected unless they post repetitive or simplistic questions that show they have put no thought or effort into finding an answer on their own.

    That said, I do agree some of the 'pokes and jokes' around here are getting old, tired and unfunny - new material is desperately needed.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Why not just admit you don't like everyone here (that's normal)
      While accepting the fact that not everyone here, likes him. :-)

      He actually believes that he is capable of psychoanalyzing others, without ever looking within, in order to deal with his own massive shortcomings, which are continuously on prominent display.

      Sad.
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        well I do not like him but he is right and I respect that guy.
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          Originally Posted by macanohosting View Post

          well I do not like him but he is right and I respect that guy.
          Really? You've been here one day and have already determined that you don't like someone? I've heard of developing an immediate impression, but this takes the cake.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Ryan,

      I usually admire your positive approach and optimistic outlook - but this is a lecture post - where you psychoanalyze people who take 'pot shots'. Why not just admit you don't like everyone here (that's normal) - and put those persons on 'ignore' so you don't see their responses?

      You say 'doesn't affect me' - but this thread seems to say otherwise. I don't think newbies are affected unless they post repetitive or simplistic questions that show they have put no thought or effort into finding an answer on their own.

      That said, I do agree some of the 'pokes and jokes' around here are getting old, tired and unfunny - new material is desperately needed.
      honestly i have been on different forums for close to 20 years .. and the moderators here keep it very civil ..

      there is a lot to learn from people here if willing to say stuff people will disagree with and not try to pass off what may be true for you as something that is true for everyone ..

      many of the routine posters have developed forum persons that after a time you should start expect people to respond a certain way ..

      if a person is afraid or reserved about posting her .. because of the potential for disagreement on the subject that we talk about her.. i do not think there is anywhere else on the web they can post it ..

      and if a person is not willing to apparently read and respond to those who do not agree with you ..or further attempt to explain advanced concepts in down to earth langue ..then it's not a problem with other people if other people get annoyed ..and start to respond negatively over and over ..
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        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        advanced concepts
        Where? Show me. lol
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    I don't know how to tell you this...But he's not alone.






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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I don't know how to tell you this...But he's not alone.
      Suddenly, I'm not feeling the love. :-)

      Of course, the difference is, I'm always right. I can't help that. It's just the way it is.
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    You shouldn't take pot shots. Aim for center of mass.
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    Gotta say, Ryan, I know you tryin' to be productively pozzo here, but in a weirdsy kinda way, you shottin' a whole buncha pot at phantoms.

    It is troo that reactionary naysayerism despoils all illuminatively procreative ENTREPRENOORLS, but the moment anywan gets definin' FOR SUREFIRE SURES what any kinda past life trauma might or might not signify, that person stompeth (for Moi) on ground recycled from glasshouses been saved up for MAX SMASHO.

    Like Kay sez, this is proclamatory schwango from on high -- an' tbh that is MY JOB.
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    PB -


    It's when I understand you and fully agree that I am most worried about my own mental processes....just sayin....cool beans...
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      PB -


      It's when I understand you and fully agree that I am most worried about my own mental processes....just sayin....cool beans...
      LOL... you're still hilarious!

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      ...this is both sad and hilarious that, after all these years.. this forum hasn't lost (or changed) its drama
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    Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post


    The truth behind it; these pot shots are fueled by pain and fear. Someone hurting. Someone afraid. Nobody who is happy and well does the PSP bit unless they are having a rare moment.

    The PSP crowd will say "hey toughen up or develop thick skin or cut the hippy dippy stuff out" but again, that is anger, masking pain, masking fear. Peep the reactions below. You may get a few of these

    That fear manifests from trauma suffered earlier in life. Rather than dealing with it and feeling the pain, to open their hearts, they choose to bury it, to resist it and to give off the appearance of having a rough exterior and callous attitude. Nothing to do with you. 100% to do with them.
    I can't speak for anyone else, only myself.

    You are positioning ridicule and sarcasm as a weakness...
    But you are only doing so to allow yourself to position your statements as valid.

    Again, I can only speak for myself...

    But when I ridicule a bad idea...it's not out of fear...I have no child trauma. I'm not feeling pain....I'm seeing a bad idea, and ridiculing it..

    There are a few members that like to spout nonsensical ideas here. When challenged, they revert to saying that we are afraid of the truth. They do this rather than defend their idea with facts or reason. This is similar to what you are doing.

    Saying that we are suffering from fear, pain, trauma....is a defense. A weak one.

    If you have an idea, and it gets challenged..or joked about...

    Why not try defending your idea? If your ideas are really valid, reasoning and logic will be on your side. Most of us here are smart enough to see when an argument is being won or lost, regardless of whether we like the participants.

    Yet again, I can only speak for myself, but when I ridicule something you say, it isn't personal. I don't know you. It's when you say something like "Love is real, Fear is illusion"...and just expect everyone to accept it as true....I feel an urge to poke a few holes in it.

    But I assure you, it isn't out of fear or a past trauma. It's because your statement sounds silly to me, and I want to see you defend it. I want to see the scaffolding that your idea is built on. I want to see the thought behind what you say.

    Notice I didn't say that you are psychoanalyzing us out of fear...past trauma...or pain?

    It's because that would be silly. I have no idea what your experience or motivations are. Just like you cannot know mine.
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      I can't speak for anyone else, only myself.

      You are positioning ridicule and sarcasm as a weakness...
      But you are only doing so to allow yourself to position your statements as valid.

      Again, I can only speak for myself...

      But when I ridicule a bad idea...it's not out of fear...I have no child trauma. I'm not feeling pain....I'm seeing a bad idea, and ridiculing it..

      There are a few members that like to spout nonsensical ideas here. When challenged, they revert to saying that we are afraid of the truth. They do this rather than defend their idea with facts or reason. This is similar to what you are doing.

      Saying that we are suffering from fear, pain, trauma....is a defense. A weak one.

      If you have an idea, and it gets challenged..or joked about...

      Why not try defending your idea? If your ideas are really valid, reasoning and logic will be on your side. Most of us here are smart enough to see when an argument is being won or lost, regardless of whether we like the participants.

      Yet again, I can only speak for myself, but when I ridicule something you say, it isn't personal. I don't know you. It's when you say something like "Love is real, Fear is illusion"...and just expect everyone to accept it as true....I feel an urge to poke a few holes in it.

      But I assure you, it isn't out of fear or a past trauma. It's because your statement sounds silly to me, and I want to see you defend it. I want to see the scaffolding that your idea is built on. I want to see the thought behind what you say.

      Notice I didn't say that you are psychoanalyzing us out of fear...past trauma...or pain?

      It's because that would be silly. I have no idea what your experience or motivations are. Just like you cannot know mine.

      I would thank this post ten times if I could.

      Ryan, as someone who routinely criticizes your posts, I assure you it has nothing to do with fear or pain.

      The whole reason I joined this forum 10 years ago after lurking for a couple of years before that was because I was tired of seeing how much misinformation was being posted and how badly people were being led astray, particularly about SEO.

      Many of your posts are full of bad information and bad ideas, again particularly in regards to SEO.

      If someone started a thread about how their site was penalized by Google and they are trying to figure out how to fix it, you would respond telling them to not worry about it, think happy thoughts, and make some new friends. Everything will work out.

      That is not how Google operates.

      So again, as I am sure I am one of the people your thread is directed at, my responses to your posts have nothing to do with my own pain or fears and everything to do with what you post. I don't like seeing people with real businesses being fed misinformation.
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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        So again, as I am sure I am one of the people your thread is directed at, my responses to your posts have nothing to do with my own pain or fears and everything to do with what you post. I don't like seeing people with real businesses being fed misinformation.
        Don't expect a response. Nothing you say or think matters and is totally disregarded.

        It's so incredibly obvious from your post that you are racked with fear and are lashing out due to the overwhelming psychic pain you experience, every single moment of your obviously pathetic, wretched existence.

        Best you keep your thoughts to yourself, lest you poison the universe with the blackness harbored in your demonic soul and cause all the unicorns to fall over dead.

        You just need a friend. One that you can give everything you own, to. Your reward will be untold millions, angelic choirs singing your praises and a place in the spiritual club of those that have finally seen the light.

        Repent!
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          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post


          and cause all the unicorns to fall over dead.



          Thats just encouragement. Have you ever tasted unicorn? pretty good stuff and goes down easy.

          Tastes like chicken
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Thats just encouragement. Have you ever tasted unicorn? pretty good stuff and goes down easy.

            Tastes like chicken
            I must send you my Instant Pot, unicorn recipe. Yummy!
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              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              I must send you my Instant Pot, unicorn recipe. Yummy!
              I usually just buy magical dust from Ryan. It helps to keep the meal within theme. At least Tinkerbell seems to think so (and she's hot so her opinion counts).
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                I usually just buy magical dust from Ryan.

                It helps to keep the meal within theme.
                Not what's meant by an 'informed buyer.'

                At least Tinkerbell seems to think so (and she's hot so her opinion counts).
                Babelicious!
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              Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

              I must send you my Instant Pot, unicorn recipe. Yummy!
              Honest question is the instant pot or electric pressure cookers as valuable to have as they are made out to be ..

              and where unicorns are just flying horses ever make glue from the bones after you get all the meat off? and what kind of marinating do you have to do..and ist the texture close to dear or sheep ..
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                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                Honest question is the instant pot or electric pressure cookers as valuable to have as they are made out to be .
                Read the reviews on Amazon and decide for yourself. lol Some folks would surrender their kids to the Taliban before giving up their unit.

                and where unicorns are just flying horses ever make glue from the bones after you get all the meat off? and what kind of marinating do you have to do..and ist the texture close to dear or sheep ..
                You're referring to mythical unicorns. I only have cooking experience with organically raised, farm-to-table ones.
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                  maybe you can help me, then. I'm looking for real vegetarian unicorns, coz I'm vegetarian, so I can't eat just anything!


                  And, no, I don't want to eat a real vegetarian unicorn out of pain or fear; I'm just extravagantly curious and culinary-unafraid.


                  PS Why do we think that snippy and condescending cannot be accurate? By we, I mean some of yous!





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                  You're referring to mythical unicorns. I only have cooking experience with organically raised, farm-to-table ones.
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                    Originally Posted by DABK View Post

                    maybe you can help me, then. I'm looking for real vegetarian unicorns, coz I'm vegetarian, so I can't eat just anything!


                    And, no, I don't want to eat a real vegetarian unicorn out of pain or fear; I'm just extravagantly curious and culinary-unafraid.
                    Sorry. I'm unable to help you with this as our business model proved to be flawed. In order to boost income we have decided to sell permits to trophy hunters. A good marketer should be able to turn on a dime.

                    PS Why do we think that snippy and condescending cannot be accurate? By we, I mean some of yous!
                    Can't help you there, either. My posts, though oftentimes supremely condescending, are never snippy, but rather - snappy! A good marketer should always know how to separate themselves from the pack.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Part of Ryan's post makes sense (IMO).

    Basically the People that are being insulting/being negative/trolling/etc ... Are hurting within themselves. So sometimes it's important not to take it "personally" and just be patient (etc.) with these kind of People.

    When they reach a better place, they won't be so "negative".

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Part of Ryan's post makes sense (IMO).

      Basically the People that are being insulting/being negative/trolling/etc ... Are hurting within themselves. So sometimes it's important not to take it "personally" and just be patient (etc.) with these kind of People.

      When they reach a better place, they won't be so "negative".

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      How do you know that? You say it as though you have inside information about these people, that they do not have themselves.

      With the possible exception of Shane, I get insulted more than anyone here. The thought has never occurred to me that my tormentors are "hurting within themselves", and I've never seen any evidence to support such an idea.

      When I have someone post an unreasonable reply to something I said, I assume that it's because it's all they have. They can't come up with a better rationale. But thinking that it's because they are full of fear, or pain, or trauma....is silly.

      When someone takes a good jab at me, I admire the jab. If I take it personally...if it bothers me...that's my weakness, not theirs.

      And sometimes I'm just full of shit. Anyone pointing that out is doing me a favor.

      Of course, you will rarely get someone insulting you that isn't trying to be funny, or make a point, they are just mean.

      Those people get banned pretty quickly. Everyone can see what they are doing.



      Added later; Damn...I just realized I'm in the Mind Warriors section. Sorry to bother anyone. I have no business being here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        With the possible exception of Shane, I get insulted more than anyone here. The thought has never occurred to me that my tormentors are "hurting within themselves", and I've never seen any evidence to support such an idea.
        You took my comment out of context Claude: My mistake I didn't explain it enough.

        Essentially the Warriors that "insult" you are actually just "teasing" and being "playful". Completely different to many People that insult others because they want to be "mean".

        Why are they being mean (etc.)? Because like I said they are hurting somewhere. I know because I used to be insulting a lot when I was younger.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Why are they being mean (etc.)? Because like I said they are hurting somewhere. I know because I used to be insulting a lot when I was younger.
          That just means you know why YOU were being insulting. Each of us has their own motivation for being insulting. I do it to call-out the rampant bullshit that is proffered as scientific fact or psychological insight.

          You don't know anything about anyone based upon your feelings about yourself. Your main problem is, that just like Ryan, you actually believe you do. You believe you are gifted with insight that no one else here possesses.

          Every time you guys post you do nothing but draw ridicule to yourselves from anyone that can see just how clueless you are about the human condition and the world around you. I oftentimes find myself wondering if you both actually believe the tripe you present as fact, or just like to think that you're superior to everyone because of your holier than thou attitude. You know nothing about anyone. I don't even think you truly know yourself at any deep and meaningful level. Some introspection and self-awareness might lead you to stop acting like you can see into the minds and hearts of others. You can't. Period!

          Cut me a break.
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          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Because like I said they are hurting somewhere. I know because I used to be insulting a lot when I was younger.
          Younger. What are you, now? Twenty? lol
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          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          You took my comment out of context Claude: My mistake I didn't explain it enough.

          Essentially the Warriors that "insult" you are actually just "teasing" and being "playful". Completely different to many People that insult others because they want to be "mean".

          Why are they being mean (etc.)? Because like I said they are hurting somewhere. I know because I used to be insulting a lot when I was younger.
          because on the internet people don't have the fear of getting punched in the mouth or shot for saying overly mean things to people.. but some forgetet and slip when they are around real people and get themselves hurt ..

          and sometimes there is no way to express your disagreement with certain people with getting a little mean.. but as i pointed out before.. the moderator here have alway kept that under control or at least while i have been active ..

          but i was on game forums and other new age forums.. and game forum can get pretty nasty ..

          (if you want to smoosh these to posts together its fine i didn't think my laptop batter would last long enough for both responses .. now it's about to die )
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          . Completely different to many People that insult others because they want to be "mean".
          Why are they being mean (etc.)? Because like I said they are hurting somewhere. I know because I used to be insulting a lot when I was younger.
          I get it. Thanks for explaining. But Jonathan, you are simply saying that you were insulting....and so you were hurting. I believe you.

          But that doesn't mean that when someone else is just being mean (And we all know it when we see it), that they are in pain..or suffering. You are just guessing.

          And we are getting off track here...

          The original post wasn't about being really mean....it was about making fun of some ideas the OP posted. Attacking someone's ideas is different from attacking them personally.

          And we attack bad ideas because they are the enemy. Bad ideas, nonsensical thinking....to me at least...need to be defended against.

          And honestly, I had forgotten that this is all in the Mind Warrior section. And here, the rules are set up to not ridicule preposterous ideas.

          Added later; Jonathon; Some people that are sarcastic may be hurting inside. But most that I know are just trying to be funny....or are impatient.....or judgmental. It's just the way we are wired. Not every attribute is the result of trauma.
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          • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            IAnd honestly, I had forgotten that this is all in the Mind Warrior section. And here, the rules are set up to not ridicule preposterous ideas.
            What is a world without some limits? "Free-thinking," is wonderful. Allowing anyone to attempt to turn those personal beliefs into dogma under the guise of creative expression, is foolhardy and dangerous.
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            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I get it. Thanks for explaining. But Jonathan, you are simply saying that you were insulting....and so you were hurting. I believe you.

            But that doesn't mean that when someone else is just being mean (And we all know it when we see it), that they are in pain..or suffering. You are just guessing.
            It's always the same ―- regardless of what other People think (seriously) ... Just because you don't think and People that are "hurting" (etc.) doesn't' mean that they're not.

            Most People need great doses of "love" because most People are hurting somewhere. (Just my opinion.)
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              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              It's always the same ―- regardless of what other People think (seriously) ... Just because you don't think and People that are "hurting" (etc.) doesn't' mean that they're not.

              Most People need great doses of "love" because most People are hurting somewhere. (Just my opinion.)
              Right - just your opinion. So stop the incessant infantile attempt to get everyone to agree with your opinion and to adopt it as their own.

              Read your response. You're saying, "I hear what you're saying, but trust me, I'm right on this. What you believe doesn't really matter." lol

              News flash. Just because you think people are hurting, doesn't mean they are, so STOP saying they are whether we believe you or not. Unbridled arrogance!
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                Read your response. You're saying, "I hear what you're saying, but trust me, I'm right on this. What you believe doesn't really matter." lol
                (Haha) Great comedy moment. That's you to a tee.
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                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  (Haha) Great comedy moment. That's you to a tee.
                  You're traditional response when you've been intellectually crushed. lol
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                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    You're traditional response when you've been intellectually crushed. lol
                    Lol. You're the Master of that,.
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                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      Lol. You're the Master of that,.
                      Translation: "I've got nuthin.' Bested, again."
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              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              It's always the same ―- regardless of what other People think (seriously) ... Just because you don't think and People that are "hurting" (etc.) doesn't' mean that they're not.

              Most People need great doses of "love" because most People are hurting somewhere. (Just my opinion.)
              so let me psychoanalyse you with this.. so what your saying is .. you are not hurting a all .. so everything you post despite most of it is plagiarized quotes .. comes from you being in a place of perfect joy happiness and balens .. no pain .. no suffering at all ..

              so unless you have no past pain and suffering or you are perfect .. maybe realize the post you make .. are from a place of pain ..or what you do about the pain.. and what you do or believe .. that helps you.. may and probably does not help a lot of others ..

              different things help different people .. and perfect people don't need to to step in a self development forum ..

              then again there is the high posibility the people think your wrong from position of strength ..and that what you are saying does not really help because it lack real practical action step.. is just warm fuzzy stuff that feels good but does not help with the pain or solve the problem
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                so let me psychoanalyse you with this ... so what your saying is ... you are not hurting a all ... so everything you post despite most of it is plagiarized quotes .. comes from you being in a place of perfect joy happiness and balens ... no pain .. no suffering at all.
                No of course not. Sure I've been through a lot of "suffering" however because I have overcome my personal challenges I like to share everything I learned with other People. I'm human just like everyone.
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                • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  No of course not. Sure I've been through a lot of "suffering" however because I have overcome my personal challenges I like to share everything I learned with other People. I'm human just like everyone.
                  so does this mean you are out of personal challenges .. and as you may have leard new personal challenges need need things to learn to get through..because what you earned before was not adequate ..

                  so what you learned that helped with a personal challenge ..may just not work for whoever you are sharing it with .. so the problem isn't with them ..itis with the solution you are putting forth not being the thing they need ..

                  I am always working through different challenges.. and no one thing works with everything.. and it gets annoyed when people give the same answer over and over for different problems.or ignore most of the stated problem.. to give the same answer..

                  but at the same time to turn a random question dropped in a drive by post that is long..with a few question..but is the only post from someone..it is hard to respond with an interesting post unless i openly in the post filling in gaps about the person haha

                  but i don't spend near as much time on the forum any more as i work through some thing in real life.. so i haven't done that in months

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                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                    so does this mean you are out of personal challenges .
                    Something I mentioned before (I don't know if you remember it) ... Is that a Person cannot outlive their progress/evolution . (Credit: Eben Pagan) Basically a Person can keep going and growing and evolving until they die.

                    It's unfortunate that many People think they have everything worked out when really they have much to learn.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      Something I mentioned before (I don't know if you remember it) ... Is that a Person cannot outlive their progress/evolution . (Credit: Eben Pagan) Basically a Person can keep going and growing and evolving until they die.

                      It's unfortunate that many People think they have everything worked out when really they have much to learn.

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                      see here is the criticism i have oh your posting.. is that you don't seem to post your thoughts or ideas.. you post quotes from any high profile self development person you can ..

                      IF i wanted to read the i would go and read them.. I am pretty sure through your challenges .. you have developed your own explanation for it ..

                      my critisim of your post is not out of personal pain and suffering.. IT's an actual desire i may regret at some point .. to read what you believe put in your own words .. i have a you tub video with a compilition of famouse people giving speaches going in my ears as i write this ..

                      I want to know what you believe in your words .. but it as nearly worthless to just read quate after quote .. or slightly altered quote
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                        I love collecting/reading my empowering/inspiring quotations. And nothing (or nobody) will ever stop me from reading them and sharing them. And that's a FACT.

                        So go away and be about your business.
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                        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                          I love collecting/reading my empowering/inspiring quotations. And nothing (or nobody) will ever stop me from reading them and sharing them. And that's a FACT.

                          So go away and be about your business.
                          Reading them and sharing them is nice. At what point do they have a meaningful and life-changing impact on your life? When do you realize that they are suggestions to help you shape your life and not laws you are forced to live by?

                          And when will you learn that just because they have meaning to you, they might possess no meaning at all, to someone else?

                          Just curious.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            And when will you learn that just because they have meaning to you, they might possess no meaning at all, to someone else?
                            Good point. Personally I think it's worth sharing them (within their context and how they apply to my Life) ... Just in case someone else will find them helpful. Maybe that happens. Maybe it doesn't. However I will keep sharing them just in case. If I can help 1 Person out a 1000 then I would consider it a job well done.
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                            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                              Good point.
                              It''s the only kind I make. The problem is in you choosing which ones you consider good. :-)

                              Personally I think it's worth sharing them (within their context and how they apply to my Life) ... Just in case someone else will find them helpful.
                              Nothing wrong with that.

                              Maybe that happens. Maybe it doesn't. However I will keep sharing them just in case. If I can help 1 Person out a 1000 then I would consider it a job well done.
                              Not many people are actually helped by a saying on a poster, and not many people would consider 1 in 1000 a successful average.

                              That said, you're probably better off with extremely low expectations of profoundly changing someone's life with some ridiculous platitude.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                                It''s the only kind I make. The problem is in you choosing which ones you consider good. :-)
                                (Lol) OK Mr. Perfect. I forgot that you only post good points. (Lol) Humility isn't your strong point is it?

                                Not many people are actually helped by a saying on a poster, and not many people would consider 1 in 1000 a successful average.
                                I don't care. I'm not "most People".

                                That said, you're probably better off with extremely low expectations of profoundly changing someone's life with some ridiculous platitude.
                                That's just your opinion. Many People find empowering quotations (etc.) helpful.
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                                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                  That's just your opinion. Many People find empowering quotations (etc.) helpful.
                                  They think it is empowering but they will not act on it. How many people would fail 10,000 like Edison to get his inventions off the ground ? 1-2 maybe but on this forum most people will fail! They will not put the time and effort in. Yet they will stay in this section of the forum thinking they will learn something and not put any real effort into something.
                                  You pull out all these posts but 99.9% here don't care, or will read it. Think it is nice than move on to the next post or thread.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                    Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

                                    They think it is empowering but they will not act on it.
                                    They don't necessarily have to "act" on it. As I have mentioned before Napoleon Hill's failure quotation really helped me overcome my personal challenges.

                                    Something similar happened with the Book my Brother gave me ("The Little Book Of Peace") which is essentially underneath "remorse" etc. is compassion.

                                    These moments don't happen very often however when they do they're kind of Life-changing.
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                                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                  (Lol) OK Mr. Perfect. I forgot that you only post good points. (Lol) Humility isn't your strong point is it?
                                  Nope. Not at my age.

                                  I don't care. I'm not "most People".
                                  I get that.

                                  That's just your opinion. Many People find empowering quotations (etc.) helpful.
                                  No they don't. That's like people saying they like 'the blues.' :-)
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                                    No they don't.
                                    Actually they do. Your problem is that you're not mature enough to see things from another perspective other than your own. Seriously.
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                                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                      Actually they do. Your problem is that you're not mature enough to see things from another perspective other than your own. Seriously.
                                      There you go with the judgmental psychoanalyzing, again. You just can't help yourself, can you?

                                      I view things from many perspectives and then I determine which one is valid to enhance my existence and discard the rest as the mental flotsam they are.

                                      It's a thought process. You should try it.

                                      You're a real spiritual warrior, you are. lol
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                                        There you go with the judgmental psychoanalyzing, again
                                        (Lol) You're the King of being judgemental. You do it with nearly every post. Something else you may not like to hear is that you project your "problems" (etc.) on to other People. Again, it's a sign of immaturity.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                                          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                          Again, it's a sign of immaturity.
                                          Funniest post of the month. Beyond ludicrous.

                                          Well, Jonathan - you have now entered the ranks of the 'ignored,' as having to view your infantile posts is more than my intellect can handle being subjected to on a daily basis.

                                          Now, to prove how needy, desperate for attention and oblivious you are, everyone is now going to see that demonstrated by you actually responding to this post, even though you know I can't see it. This is the moment that everyone will get to judge your maturity level. lol

                                          It's also how they'll know that everything I have said about you is true. Post, away. Enjoy. All you're doing is embarrassing yourself in public, but you are powerless to control your urge to get in the last word. Yet, you call others, "immature."

                                          BTW - how are those websites coming? You, know - the ones designed to, "help people."

                                          No need to answer. I already know. Just a figment of your imagination.

                                          Buh-bye, Bunky! lol
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                            How cool is that, Guys? I get to say anything I like to OptedIn without him responding ... Livin' the dream. : )

                                            (Hehe)
                                            Bye Optedin.
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                      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                        I want to know what you believe in your words .. but it as nearly worthless to just read quate after quote .. or slightly altered quote
                        When it's all one has to work with, you need to understand that they are doing the best they can, regardless of how far they are falling short.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                          When it's all one has to work with, you need to understand that they are doing the best they can, regardless of how far they are falling short.
                          well se sometime critics will say everything you are doing is wrong.. but other times some people criticize you because they see the potential ..and are trying to point out where you can make your best better ..

                          but i'll wait until i proclaim myself a pastor and build my own church .. to really pontificate or be overly pushy . but i'm fight the call ..

                          I've been learning what i have been learning to b=get rich and build wealth for myself ..yeah .

                          Fighting the call ..
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                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      It's unfortunate that many People think they have everything worked out when really they have much to learn.
                      Finally, a bit of introspection. Keep working at it. You're very young and have much to learn about life - and yourself. Try to keep an open mind. lol
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                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                  I have overcome my personal challenges
                  I'm thinking your trek is not quite over.

                  I like to share everything I learned with other People.
                  What you do is not sharing. It's called pontificating. You're not old enough to pull that off. :-)
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    What you do is not sharing. It's called pontificating.
                    Wrong. You're OK not to agree with everything I post ... However being insulting/etc. is completely out of order. So please stop doing that.
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                      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                      Wrong. You're OK not to agree with everything I post ... However being insulting/etc. is completely out of order. So please stop doing that.
                      Actually, I'm OK not to agree with anything you post and vice versa.

                      Why is that insulting to you? Hitting a little too close to home?

                      Completely out of order??? Funny.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        With the possible exception of Shane, I get insulted more than anyone here.
        And for damn good reason. Your existence is beyond pitiful.
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        How do you know that? You say it as though you have inside information about these people, that they do not have themselves.

        With the possible exception of Shane, I get insulted more than anyone here. The thought has never occurred to me that my tormentors are "hurting within themselves", and I've never seen any evidence to support such an idea.

        When I have someone post an unreasonable reply to something I said, I assume that it's because it's all they have. They can't come up with a better rationale. But thinking that it's because they are full of fear, or pain, or trauma....is silly.

        When someone takes a good jab at me, I admire the jab. If I take it personally...if it bothers me...that's my weakness, not theirs.

        And sometimes I'm just full of shit. Anyone pointing that out is doing me a favor.

        Of course, you will rarely get someone insulting you that isn't trying to be funny, or make a point, they are just mean.

        Those people get banned pretty quickly. Everyone can see what they are doing.



        Added later; Damn...I just realized I'm in the Mind Warriors section. Sorry to bother anyone. I have no business being here.
        well you play along with much of the "insults.. took me a while to play along .. but if some appears out of no where and joins in.. i think that would be out of line .. but if some joins in.. and gets insulted when a joke is thrown their way.. they have no business joining in ..

        there are rules to these kind of things haha ..
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    Why are they being mean

    Because being nice sometimes takes just too much energy....


    Because it's possible to forget to turn on your PC button before you speak....
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    The answer to "criticism" (IMO) is either A. Ignore it. Or B. Learn something from it.

    Sometimes it's a Person's "pride" etc that stops them from learning something from their detractors.
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    this is a great forum. i agree with the thread. if people have nothing helpful or nice to say, they should say nothing at all. i think they just comment to build up their post count. lol
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by tristatemedia View Post

      If people have nothing helpful or nice to say, they should say nothing at all.
      Amen. : ) Well said.
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      Originally Posted by tristatemedia View Post

      this is a great forum. i agree with the thread. if people have nothing helpful or nice to say, they should say nothing at all. i think they just comment to build up their post count. lol
      Helpful and nice are in the eye of the beholder. When I rip someone a new one, I'm being nice because I am trying to help them. My technique may need a little work, but my heart is in the right place. :-)

      As far as commenting to build their post count - I don't think that's a very nice thing to say. (See what I did, there?)
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Gloating?


      Again, it's a sign of immaturity.
      Interesting you view insults as 'teasing' when they are directed at another member but always as 'mean' when you are the target. Maybe the 'insult' is unimportant and the 'reaction' is all that counts.



      Again, you revert to the same arguments of Hill and a guru quote and suffering in the past.....it's a defensive tactic and a pattern you've used in many threads. Odahh offered some good advice - and not in a 'mean' way.



      And, no, doesn't mean you can post anything to someone who is not responding. That plan won't fly.
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        And, no, doesn't mean you can post anything to someone who is not responding. That plan won't fly.
        So much for courage. Who would actually do that - and be happy thinking they could get away with it?

        Spiritual Warrior? I don't think so. :-)
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Gloating?




        Interesting you view insults as 'teasing' when they are directed at another member but always as 'mean' when you are the target. Maybe the 'insult' is unimportant and the 'reaction' is all that counts.



        Again, you revert to the same arguments of Hill and a guru quote and suffering in the past.....it's a defensive tactic and a pattern you've used in many threads. Odahh offered some good advice - and not in a 'mean' way.



        And, no, doesn't mean you can post anything to someone who is not responding. That plan won't fly.
        OR, is it just a free pair of virtual waders?

        Your work in the gutters, sewers, and septic tanks of WF is appreciated, albeit, you deserve compensation for your Hazmat duty.

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        PS. No need to drop any more turds into this thread, so I refrain.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Odahh offered some good advice - and not in a 'mean' way.
        Sorry -- thinking about it I overreacted a little bit.

        Odahh said that me sharing empowering/inspiring quotations is worthless. And it's something that is important to me. And my intention is to help People by doing so. If I said what you're doing online is worthless (when it's important to you) you probably wouldn't like it either.

        All that said, my apologies to Odahh

        And, no, doesn't mean you can post anything to someone who is not responding.
        That was just a tongue in cheek comment. I wouldn't do that. Believe it or not I actually like OptedIn/Frank (at least of what I know of him).

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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Sorry -- thinking about it I overreacted a little bit.

          Odahh said that me sharing empowering/inspiring quotations is worthless. And it's something that is important to me. And my intention is to help People by doing so. If I said what you're doing online is worthless (when it's important to you) you probably wouldn't like it either.

          All that said, my apologies to Odahh



          That was just a tongue in cheek comment. I wouldn't do that. Believe it or not I actually like OptedIn/Frank (at least of what I know of him).

          Jonathan
          don't worry ..but if you only read the worthless part .. let me explain.. it take a while to get your own voice with this motivation stuff or self improvement ..and i do not know if you understand the value of those quotes when they are in the content ..the author put them in..

          without the structure of that.. or an explanation or what the quote means .. the value of the quote drops dramatically ..and then can lead to counter productive ideas of the quotes meaning ..

          if you listen to the steve jobs speech or speeches .. where he uses the Follow your passion quote .. the context of the speech ..is way more valuable than the quote .. the explanation ..of the quote ..because it is so hard much of the time that without passion.. you will give up..

          but follow your passion as a quote .. kind of worthless

          anything that sound pretty ..but really can't be acted apon ..and then leads to cycling through pretty sounding concepts.. without any way to take action.. in my opinion is worthles.. and i am not trying to sell anyone anything her or get the to my website ..or even get them to agree with me .. i just like drawing out people views.. can learn quite a bit

          and i ha ve to tone it done sometime as i have a mutant line of code in my dna..that spells our a s h l you can figure the word out.. so i have to be carefull ..haha
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            without the structure of that.. or an explanation or what the quote means.. the value of the quote drops dramatically.. and then can lead to counter productive ideas of the quotes meaning ..
            OK: Interesting. I'll keep that in mind. Thanks. : )
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      Ask the previous owner. I wanted it to read "no politics, religion or nonsense" but he overruled me....
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        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        Ask the previous owner. I wanted it to read "no politics, religion or nonsense" but he overruled me....
        it's actually comfortable being able to talk about the nonsense here .. without getting into religion or politics ...and where it has been hard not to get politics dragged into any conversation in the real world the last 2 years .. it is better here ..
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      I can't see it, but I'll bet you $1000 it's putting someone down. lol
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    very true!
    Im here for more than 2 years and I saw it many times

    people should help each other no matter if you are beginner or advanced

    Everybody started somewhere
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    Dearest Warriors of Mind,

    I kinda scrollin' on down now like I am playin' sweetest wishin' well bucket down into sweeter wishin' well rejuvenatin' succor without gettin' my eye-to-hand co-ordination tactics spazzed out by FUNGAL GROWTHS poppin' offa the essential FUNNEL delivers the RIDE.

    An' tbh I forgot now what this post 'sposed to be about, other than snippyness as a smartsily THRUST MY TITS WAY FORWARD dreamo ain't never intrinsically frickin' stoopid jus' bcs.

    Which is why I would always wanna favor a broader canvas 'pon which we all free to splat out our stuffs ...

    For alla the wantsies evrywan got but for which no SLOOSHIN exists less'n a whole buncha benevolent smartasses shows up packin' tha ansas.

    FFS I been banned twice from this IMPOSSIBLY THRIVIN' NOPLACE VACUUMHOLE so I am not immune from inexpertly manifested knockdown lunacy!

    Was it Maximus the Mad said "I might once have performed spectacularly as a villain riding high on the ultimate existential threat -- but since Lee prostituted himself as Salesy Cameo Guy, all talk of my intrinsically destabilising malevolence has been superceded by hey remember when Black Widow pantied out all pink and innocent before Bill Murray's inconsolable ennui"?

    Is This an APPEAL to Consider all Soulful Shades of Hoomanity in our Foreverest Proclamations, O Princess?

    Hell, no -- I just discovered a whole buncha RUM from las' Christmas an' a zucchini my malfunctionin' freezer ain't blitzed to Tundraworld sh*t ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Princess Balestra View Post


      so I am not immune from inexpertly manifested knockdown lunacy!

      My princess do not speak it. Carriers should always have immunity. Long live Princess Balestra. You are like an imbalanced colored kaleidoscope. If you study it too hard it will drive you mad but if you just enjoy the lights dancing on the wall it brings mirth.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        My princess do not speak it. Carriers should always have immunity. Long live Princess Balestra. You are like an imbalanced colored kaleidoscope. If you study it too hard it will drive you mad but if you just enjoy the lights dancing on the wall it brings mirth.
        Why thank you, Mikey.

        Gonna go make like a real SPHISTCATED YOOKAY QUEEN an' chop myself a cucumber sandwich to nibble sweetly upon as I recline on a lushly upholstered bean bag.
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    there is a line of appreciating stuff that has help you .. and stealing ,copyright violation and ..and plagiarism..

    the internet make it to easy to cross the line from sharing to breaking the law.. and i am in no position to give legal advice.. and if you wish to stay on a path .where can easily go over that line..

    the good luck and i hope having your site taken down for copyright violations ..and law suits from the publishing companies are adversities that lead to large amount of growth..

    much of napoleon hills work is still copyrighted as disney made it so some thing can be copyrighted for ever it seems..

    and the napoleon hill foundation can be aggressive ..ion the legal front ..

    You can compile the works for personal use.. but I am trying to tell you not to steal by trying to pass compilations of quote off as your own content ..

    someone here may be an author /publisher or have better understand of the legal stuff
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    Question: religion is banned. Why isn't superstition banned?
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      Question: religion is banned. Why isn't superstition banned?
      Religion is more easily defined. And superstitions, cultural rituals, pseudo science, and preposterous ideas are more in the eyes of the beholder.

      One man's superstition is another man's proof.

      And...we have not all been gifted intelligence or education in the same portion. That may be the single biggest source of all these arguments.

      Yesterday I was listening to a podcast with Sam Harris (neurobiologist) and Sean Carroll.(astrophysicist) on the reality of free will. Two men that are far more knowledgeable and intelligent than I am. They disagreed on one point..but the way they cut away at the misunderstanding, arriving at a conclusion that fit all the facts they both had...was a thing of beauty.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        And...we have not all been gifted intelligence or education in the same portion.
        Thanks for pointing that out. I guess I need to have much lower expectations when dealing with some people who are demonstrably disadvantaged in these areas. :-)
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Two men that are far more knowledgeable and intelligent than I am.
        You could say the same for Bevis and Butthead.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Religion is more easily defined. And superstitions, cultural rituals, pseudo science, and preposterous ideas are more in the eyes of the beholder.

        One man's superstition is another man's proof.

        And...we have not all been gifted intelligence or education in the same portion. That may be the single biggest source of all these arguments.

        Yesterday I was listening to a podcast with Sam Harris (neurobiologist) and Sean Carroll.(astrophysicist) on the reality of free will. Two men that are far more knowledgeable and intelligent than I am. They disagreed on one point..but the way they cut away at the misunderstanding, arriving at a conclusion that fit all the facts they both had...was a thing of beauty.
        when you realize how easily "free will" can be manipulated so that you make choices others want you to make .. when you become aware of the tools and tactics of manipulation ..which is part of why i study marketing and business .. and study a lot of research on this .. you understand there is free will .. but you are not always the one making the choices you make..but you have the choice to step into environments where others have already put great efforts into getting you to make choices they want you to make ..


        as for the intelligence quote ..humans evolved to have different tasts in the group .. it is the main thing behind our survival.. but because not all environment have the same task needs our intelligence is more open to adapt proficiencies ..so by nature we are not born with the same levels of intelligence or physical ability .. this is not the problem or the root of the problem.. the root of the problem is those who believe everyone should be equally able to do anything.. as long as you work hard enough or put your mind to it ..

        ok again i slam a core tenet of the religion of motivation ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post


    The truth behind it; these pot shots are fueled by pain and fear. Someone hurting. Someone afraid. Nobody who is happy and well does the PSP bit unless they are having a rare moment.
    You only have it half right. They are afraid. They are afraid the world will be even more over filled with gibberish, empty psychobabble and meaninglessness and they are trying to do their part to save the planet.

    When they can diminish the noise - that makes them happy and fulfilled.


    Kudos to the mod that moved this to the Mind Warrior section. Now if WF can stop mind warrior discussions from being highlighted as top discussions of any sort WF can join us as saviors of the world
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  • Profile picture of the author expmrb
    People frustrated and/or angry with each other can start a thread here..wow!! I didn't know that.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by expmrb View Post

      People frustrated and/or angry with each other can start a thread here..wow!! I didn't know that.
      Not, really. This is supposed to be about, "Peace, Love and Understanding," but sometimes overt silliness, proffered as demonstrable facts, can cause some to lose their minds.

      I stand guilty as charged. I wouldn't suggest you follow my lead.
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  • Profile picture of the author amuro
    Hi Ryan, I do feel the same way too.

    Though whether you can differentiate constructive and sarcastic criticism is another matter put together.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by amuro View Post

      Hi Ryan, I do feel the same way too.

      Though whether you can differentiate constructive and sarcastic criticism is another matter put together.
      I don't know why however sometimes successful People are often criticized. Kind of a shame really.

      Many times it just reveals that the People criticizing are simply not as successful as they could be. Personally I like building People up.
      : )
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        I don't know why however sometimes successful People are often criticized. Kind of a shame really.
        With reference to the bolded part. Thats not whats happening here....well unless its the "fearful" people being referenced.

        Personally I like building People up.
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        Thats great but doesn't mean we should want their garbage cans to be more built up and over flowing. It makes a mess.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          With reference to the bolded part. Thats not whats happening here....well unless its the "fearful" people being referenced.



          Thats great but doesn't mean we should want their garbage cans to be more built up and over flowing. It makes a mess.
          I think your missing the point. Those spewing garbage expect that the rest of us will simply eat it without complaint, thereby reducing their visible mess.

          Some people seem to have an insatiable hunger for tripe and I ain't talking about the stomach lining of a cow. lol
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          With reference to the bolded part. Thats not whats happening here....well unless its the "fearful" people being referenced.
          Some People are just "negative." Especially when it comes to being successful Online. Maybe it gives them a sense of "importance" or maybe they're just miserable. I don't know. All I know is that when People are famously successful, a small percentage of People won't like it.


          Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

          I can't see it, but I'll bet you $1000 it's putting someone down. lol
          Well at least you weren't being too critical. Hallelujah! (Hehe) Keep it going.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

        I don't know why however sometimes successful People are often criticized. Kind of a shame really.

        Many times it just reveals that the People criticizing are simply not as successful as they could be. Personally I like building People up.
        : )
        there are several kinds of criticism .. and everything gets criticised ..if you make the best hamburgers and steaks in the world.. vegans will protest your business and either just call you an evil person.. or deman you make a vegan or veggie burger ..

        If you make a lot of money .. poor people will criticize you for being greedy .. or critize you for not spending money how they think you should spend it .. or get angry that you don't pay the same percent tax rate you do.. even if you pay more in taxes in a year than they do and theor 50 best poor friends will pay in 50 years ..

        Oh yeah if you really want to get criticized as a chef.. just advertise that you are selling unicorn steak or unicorn burgers .. that will make vegan .. Peta ..and those still upset pluto is no longer a planet.. upset and cry tears
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by amuro View Post

      Hi Ryan, I do feel the same way too.

      Though whether you can differentiate constructive and sarcastic criticism is another matter put together.
      Though whether you can differentiate between worthless claptrap and meaningful suggestions is another matter, all together.

      Apparently some people do not possess the prerequisite common-sense to be able to do so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Internet Trillionaire
    What is the purpose of this thread? All this back and forth about who's right and who's wrong. Is this productive time spent, telling this dude, who is really better at forum posting,and who is not. I thought forum posting was to add value to the forum's community, especially it's new members.

    Some of us are geniuses here on, the warrior forum, you know who you are, you keep it real on this forum. The newbies quickly get up to speed with the reality of posting on the warrior forum. Everyone's skills is being tested by some of the seasoned members on this forum, who actually make a sustainable monthly passive income online. They want to teach the newbie the reality of making money online, without giving away too much information away for Free. Some may sound sarcastic, but that's how they teach the new member. I want to answer all questions with dignity and respect towards my fellow forum members, because I hope to learn from you too..

    This thread should come down, or be locked. In my opinion it's a waste of your energy. Unless you live for these kinds of threads.
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      Originally Posted by Internet Trillionaire View Post

      This thread should come down, or be locked. In my opinion it's a waste of your energy. Unless you live for these kinds of threads.
      Isn't it wonderful that although your opinion has been duly noted, it doesn't matter as it relates to locking or removing this thread.

      If you don't like what you see - move along. People derive benefit from the strangest things in the strangest ways, none of which may live up to your criteria of worthiness.

      There's some Internet gold hidden within this thread. :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        It's in the mind forum - it's entertaining - not meant to be 'productive' - it's not the beginner section - we're hadnging out down in the 'bar' ...nothing new in that.



        Some of us are geniuses here

        and...clearly...some of us aren't. That's what makes this section entertaining at times....
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          and...clearly...some of us aren't.
          And, yet - I still drop by to contribute. Always a 'giver.'
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        So true - and we DO value your contributions...such as they are....
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        so they may criticize others
        Others may need the criticism....no help in telling someone 'that's great' - when it isn't great at all. Honesty is not always soft and fuzzy...but you learn more from those who tell you bluntly what you are doing wrong than from the 'feel good' answers.

        A forum is like a small town - with all the characters and levels of intelligence and common sense you would find in a town.

        Some days you can read threads here and view the forum as a pool of experts and successful entrepreneurs.....other days you might think several villages are missing their idiots.

        Patience - humor - a realistic outlook....it's a forum. Deal with it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          I agree Kay: Sometimes being "honest" with "constructive criticism" is the right approach. (IMO most of the time it isn't) ... However the problem is that many People do it because it gives them a sense of "importance." They like telling People what to do etc. Then there are those that are simply out to be negative.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            I agree Kay: Sometimes being "honest" with "constructive criticism" is the right approach. (IMO most of the time it isn't) ... However the problem is that many People do it because it gives them a sense of "importance." They like telling People what to do etc. Then there are those that are simply out to be negative.
            I recently listened to a talk from Jeff bezos.. I believe currently the richest or second richest person in the world ..about how much criticism the concept of putting customer reviews on the same page as you where using to sell books or items ..and everyone thought it was a bad idea ..and over time it has become a standard ...

            In any case no matter what you do ..pr do not do..you will get criticized by others..it is part of life .. in this world we live in getting used to criticism is part of life..and being able to shut down most critics arguments is a fun skill to develop ..

            you can ignore most critics.. but you can't ignore getting a lawsuit at some point or another ..and sometimes people might be trying to point out how not to get in legal hot water ..

            In any idea or business people put together .. they really need to ask .. how people can find reasons to sew them..

            on another note i agree with key on some days the forums has real good discussions ..on other if feels more like i;ve wandered into a locker room where mostly bad claude jokes are all that is allowed
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            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Sometimes being "honest" with "constructive criticism" is the right approach. (IMO most of the time it isn't) ...
            I'm curious. On a business forum, when exactly would being honest with constructive criticism not be the right approach?

            However the problem is that many People do it because it gives them a sense of "importance." They like telling People what to do etc. Then there are those that are simply out to be negative.
            Whereas, posting your own speculation about the motivation behind other members' posts is a valid approach?
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
              Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

              I'm curious. On a business forum, when exactly would being honest with constructive criticism not be the right approach?
              Well a favourite quotation I read is: "Being realistic is the most common travelled road to mediocrity."
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

              I'm curious. On a business forum, when exactly would being honest with constructive criticism not be the right approach?
              When you are dealing with snowflakes who have inadvertently wandered out of their 'safe space' because their truth blinders are set to 'extra-narrow' view.

              Whereas, posting your own speculation about the motivation behind other members' posts is a valid approach?
              lol Yes - it's easy to be judgmental when you have never done anything of note in your life with which to justify your ability to critique others. They see themselves as, 'special.'

              The sad part is that those folks are either totally oblivious to what they are doing, or, totally aware but somehow feel entitled to do so, anyway.

              Their comeback. "Sounds like you're describing yourself, perfectly.' This is what people say when they have been outed for their behavior. It's weak, juvenile and doesn't deserve a response.

              Yet - no matter how many times they embarrass themselves, they simply can't help themselves and repeat the bad behavior, over and over, again.

              Watching people do this, month after month - year after year, would be humorous - if it weren't so sad. :-(
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              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                When you are dealing with snowflakes who have inadvertently wandered out of their 'safe space' because their truth blinders are set to 'extra-narrow' view.

                lol Yes - it's easy to be judgmental when you have never done anything of note in your life with which to justify your ability to critique others. They see themselves as, 'special.'

                :-(
                just be happy your retirement didn't depend on this group paying into the system ...the longer family parent ..extended schooling .. can keep younger people in safe spaces ... and out of the nasty clutches of real life ..the worse it is when real life does get ahold of them .. and people who have never been taught they might be lacking.. but can get better .. will first spend large amounts of time pointing at the oppression of the world around them ..

                some will learn they are the one with the problems ..and that they can put in the work to be better.. others will buy motivation courses to foster dreams they never do anything to actually achieve . except sit there and think happy thoughts .. waiting for the world to just give them what they want ...

                in any case ..i learned the hard way that diving in and actually doing what i needed to do .. and going to extremes to get away from those who would stop me from fixing my problems..his the path to success for me and helping many others out along the way ..

                when there are no more safe spaces .. and no way to blow positive bubbles around yourself..you either start improving .. or accept that you will have a shotty life until you die ..

                and there are so many ways to actually improve today.. it's ashame to sit around waiting for the world to do better ..

                but if you get offended ..at the suggestion that you have the problem.. that need to be worked on.. and think those that are trying to tell you ..are in pain..or some kind of fear .. or trying to feel important.. or impose limits ..

                the biggest problem in the world today is to many messed up people trying to fix the world that isn't the thing that is broken

                (i know i know that contradicts my whines about the system... but once you se how the system is set up.. you get to pic how you retrain yourself to thrive in the system )
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            I agree Kay: Sometimes being "honest" with "constructive criticism" is the right approach.
            Constructive criticism is what teaching is.

            If you congratulate people...they learn nothing. I can't speak for everyone, but the 'constructive criticism" you read on a marketing forum is generally because the writer doesn't want the reader to repeat the writer's mistakes.

            I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the vast majority of the people that are asking questions here...are rank beginners. And here's what that means.....

            Everything they are doing is wrong. The only way to help them is to show them their mistakes, and how to do better.And with that, comes pokes at their self esteem.

            The exception I see (although it isn't very common here) is someone being mean, for the sake of being mean. In other words a post saying something like "You are stupid"....and not even offering a better solution. Only a few people do it here. And everyone knows it when they see it.

            This isn't a support group. A support group is there to make people feel OK with what they are. I always assume that people come here to change themselves for the better. To learn from their mistakes. To benefit from other's expertise.
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            • Profile picture of the author Odahh
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Constructive criticism is what teaching is.

              If you congratulate people...they learn nothing. I can't speak for everyone, but the 'constructive criticism" you read on a marketing forum is generally because the writer doesn't want the reader to repeat the writer's mistakes.

              I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the vast majority of the people that are asking questions here...are rank beginners. And here's what that means.....

              Everything they are doing is wrong. The only way to help them is to show them their mistakes, and how to do better.And with that, comes pokes at their self esteem.

              .
              i get partly mean to those who are looking for a pat on the back .. when they are claiming t be working 12 hours a day every day in their online business and looking for ways to cut back on sleep to work more on their online business .. and cutting everyone out of their life who is getting worried .. because they are from the negative masses ..

              so hey are turning here for understanding and encouragement ..but they have been working on a project .. that hasn't launched or have no real business to point to ..

              my family criticized everything i every did didn't do or tried to to.. criticized me to get me to do things for them that i had no interest in doing.. then criticized me for doing it the wrong way ..and when i did it right..criticized me for not doing stuff they didn't ask me to do while i was doing what they did ask me to do ..trying to get me to accept my future as a janitor that was all they though i was capable of ..

              that was the first 38 years of my life and i don't talk to my brothers and sisters expet once every few months ..

              in any case i don't have to post anything on this forum.. and i understand when i do post there are parts people will disagree with.. and i refine my views on what i post ..by responding to criticism.. i do get touchy when people pic on the words i use instead of what i am trying to say .. i just despise the sondbite world we live in..

              to get better at stuff you need to practice and get feedback from people better than you .. who are not threatened by you ..and will critize you based on that ..

              which doesn't happen here
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              This isn't a support group. A support group is there to make people feel OK with what they are. I always assume that people come here to change themselves for the better. To learn from their mistakes. To benefit from other's expertise.
              Agreed. I completely agree with helping "Newbies" (etc,) with their Projects by being "truthful"/honest/etc. ... However that isn't an excuse to say anything you like just because other People support it.

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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Everything they are doing is wrong. The only way to help them is to show them their mistakes, and how to do better.And with that, comes pokes at their self esteem.
              Again I agree Claude. I'm 100% for showing People where they're going wrong ... However (IMO) it can be done with a certain amount of tact and consideration. In fact many Newbies aren't all that confident and they would appreciate "helpful support".

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        a favourite quotation I read

        It's a quote by actor Will Smith...and have no idea what he was thinking when he said that or why it's worth quoting.



        A better quote by Smith is


        Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Too many people spend money they haven't earned, to buy things they don't want, to impress people they don't like.
          Exactly. Too many People are trapped in "The People Pleasing Trap ..." They do all kinds of things (including IM) to get People to like and approve of them. 99% of the time it's a worthless pursuit
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          And have no idea what he was thinking when he said that or why it's worth quoting.
          Usually when People think of/say "realistic" it's just a limitation.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Usually when People think of/say "realistic" it's just a limitation.
            It's not a word I would use here...I would us the word "Proven".. And when we give advice (Most of us anyway) it's from the depths of our experience.

            The problem with rank beginners is that every idea has equal merit. Everything is equally possible. Like 3 year olds, everything they hear is equally plausible.

            And sometimes...when they reach for the hot pan on the stove...we yell to keep them from burning themselves. And the posts here...and questions we get here...are almost always the kid reaching for the hot pan on the stove.

            Saving a kid from drowning when he thinks he can breath underwater...isn't "limiting his imagination and creativity". It's saving the kid from drowning.

            There are a few people here that really...really...know their stuff. My advice? Pay attention.

            Man...I just realized I'm in the Mind Warrior section.

            Added later; By the way, in the more serious sections of the forum, when someone does something right, they are complimented. It isn't all cloudy days and hay fever.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Saving a kid from drowning when he thinks he can breath underwater...isn't "limiting his imagination and creativity". It's saving the kid from drowning.
              Good point: At the same time saying that he can't swim 1500 meters because it's not "realistic" is holding him back. (Because it definitely is possible.) I suppose there's a "balance" to it.

              A similar example would be Roger Bannister (the first Person a run a mile in 4 minutes) ... According to all the "experts" it was impossible and that a Person would die because of over-exertion. The rest is history.

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              P.S. Great point Odahh. The problem (sometimes) is that when People don't beleive in themselves, they don't believe in other People as well.
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                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                Good point: At the same time saying that he can't swim 1500 meters because it's not "realistic" is holding him back. (Because it definitely is possible.) I suppose there's a "balance" to it.

                A similar example would be Roger Bannister (the first Person a run a mile in 4 minutes) ... According to all the "experts" it was impossible and that a Person would die because of over-exertion. The rest is history.

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                P.S. Great point Odahh. The problem (sometimes) is that when People don't beleive in themselves, they don't believe in other People as well.
                Yes, good example, Jonathan, and others went on to shave time off the 4 minute mile some more since then.

                A lot of people accept what is common, since it is safe, but if common or accepted is wrong, then what?

                Dig in the heels or ignore the accepted data, and start to pick up the breadcrumbs to find out what is Really real and what isn't.

                Yeah, and the popcorn thing.
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                Good point: At the same time saying that he can't swim 1500 meters because it's not "realistic" is holding him back. (Because it definitely is possible.) I suppose there's a "balance" to it.
                But that's not what happens on this forum. Nobody is telling a smart businessperson that they cannot make $100,000 when they are now making $75,000.

                We are telling the new guy that it takes more than "positive thinking" to make a business work. We are explaining to the newbie direct marketer that the font he uses...and the grade of paper are not what he should be concentrating on.

                And "balance" has nothing to do with accomplishment. Balance is the accomplishment you settle for, when you aren't trying.


                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                A similar example would be Roger Bannister (the first Person a run a mile in 4 minutes) ... According to all the "experts" it was impossible and that a Person would die because of over-exertion. The rest is history.
                I hate it when people bring the Bannister story up as a motivational story. Bannister ran less than 2 seconds faster than the previous record. To say that it's impossible to run a mile 2 seconds faster is absurd. That motivational story has been embellished and made into another "Bumble bees cannot fly, but they don't know they can't fly...so they do" fairy tale.

                There are realities to running a business. Realities to actually accomplishing anything at all.

                I know this isn't really the "reality" section.

                But ask anyone that is incredibly successful at whatever you are interested in. Ask what it took to get there. I promise you, chanting, affirmations, positive thinking, feeling good about yourself and law of attraction...are not what you are going to hear about. They will talk about the effort, the grind, failing again and again...figuring it out. And not quitting.

                Most people here are not just building their house on sand..it's imaginary sand.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  But ask anyone that is incredibly successful at whatever you are interested in. Ask what it took to get there. I promise you, chanting, affirmations, positive thinking, feeling good about yourself and law of attraction...are not what you are going to hear about. They will talk about the effort, the grind, failing again and again...figuring it out. And not quitting.
                  I think all of those (especially "positive thinking") can actually speed up the success process. In fact I would go so far to say that without looking at "failure" in a positive light (as something you can learn from etc.) success for that individual will be much harder.

                  It's my personal opinion that having the right Mindset and Attitude is an almost integral part of being successful (as is a healthy self-esteem) ...
                  Especially when faced with setback and "failure."

                  My Brother Erny (who I "Mentored" for a brief time) made £24,000 this month -- which is a good income for a man his age.

                  And one of the most important factors is that he believed it was possible. If he had listened to all the People saying to be "realistic" he probably would have given up after spending several months before he made any money.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    I think all of those (especially "positive thinking") can actually speed up the success process. In fact I would go so far to say that without looking at "failure" in a positive light (as something you can learn from etc.) success for that individual will be much harder.

                    It's my personal opinion that having the right Mindset and Attitude is an almost integral part of being successful (as is a healthy self-esteem) ...
                    Especially when faced with setback and "failure."

                    My Brother Erny (who I "Mentored" for a brief time) made £24,000 this month -- which is a good income for a man his age.

                    And one of the most important factors is that he believed it was possible. If he had listened to all the People saying to be "realistic" he probably would have given up after spending several months before he made any money.
                    why would making somewhere in the area of $300,000 dollars a year in a business be impossible ..with the cost of starting a business today..and the ability to keep overhead low .and margin fat .. there are many businesses that can do that. kind of income in a few years ..with one person..

                    the other motivation story that gets tossed around is the fusbury flop in the highjump... he was already one of the best high jumpers..and just took advantage of the new landing pads.. if he had tried that on the older mats he most likly would have killed himself or severly injured himself ..

                    the problem with motivational stories .. is they tend to leave the juicy details that made it possible out ..and attribute success to positive thinking ..

                    all successful people may have goals.. but 99.999 percent of goals do not get achieved ..

                    it is good your brother is making that much money.. but how much of it is he saving and investing to produce life long wealth ..if you told me he is making 24,000 and saving 10,000 a month.. that is impressive .. or even saving 5,000 a month ..

                    if he is spending it all to look rich.. well..after running into a fair number of people who made lots of money and through various reasons lost it all ..i don't care how much someone makes in a month .. or how much they work .. if they are ignoring long term personal problems that can blow up their lives and empty out their bank accounts ..
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      There are many businesses that can do that. kind of income in a few years ... with one person ...
                      Exactly: Unfortunately many Warriors won't "believe" that and think it's "impossible".

                      ... The other motivation story that gets tossed around the problem with motivational stories .. is they tend to leave the juicy details that made it possible out ... and attribute success to positive thinking. ..
                      Personally I love "Motivational Stories." One of my favourite would be: The young Googler's appreaocnig Yahoo! with a merger (Back in 1999...) However they were told to "Keep going on their little 'school project' and come back when they have grown up." (Lol of course the rest is history.)

                      All successful people may have goals ... but 99.999 percent of goals do not get achieved ...
                      Agreed. And at the same time many Warriors would contirbute to helping People reach their goal(s) by being "supportve." rather than being "negative" ... (Which is just an excuse for being "realistic.")

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                      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                        Exactly: Unfortunately many Warriors won't "believe" that and think it's "impossible".



                        Personally I love "Motivational Stories." One of my favourite would be: The young Googler's appreaocnig Yahoo! with a merger (Back in 1999...) However they were told to "Keep going on their little 'school project' and come back when they have grown up." (Lol of course the rest is history.)



                        Agreed. And at the same time many Warriors would contirbute to helping People reach their goal(s) by being "supportve." rather than being "negative" ... (Which is just an excuse for being "realistic.")

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                        why is the google story motivating ..when it turned out to be real good advice in the for of a rejection ..untill google came up with adwords and internet marketers figured out how to make fortunes teaching people how to use it for advertising.. google was just another search engine ..but the only one that didn't return porn sites at the top of the list for every search..that i remember got advertised with the word of mouth phrase ..just google it ..

                        If you understand google was probably 1 of tens of thousands of other web project near the hight or the end of the internet bubble.. then the rejection is fully justifiable ..

                        gary vee talks about trying to sell his now 300 million dollar company for a million dollar a few years after starting it ..wonder what kind of rejection he got

                        at the point the rejections happened .. may the idea wasn't right for the company doing the rejection.. or the idea at that time was crappy enough that it deserved rejection .. historiccally all the companies that said no are not the ones who where making the mistake.. it was the google guys for trying to sell at that early point .. trying to become millionairs with what was really a multi billion dollar maybe some day trillion dollar company..

                        and where is yahoo now..somehow yahoo has figureure out in some convoluted way.. that making their email worse to use is somehow a good idea.. they got rid of of games ..which facebook took over.. along with messenger ..
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                        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                          Shoot for the Moon ... And if you miss, you will land among the stars.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                            Shoot for the Moon ... And if you miss, you will land among the stars.
                            : )
                            elon musk didn't start out shooting for marz .. that came much later ..most everything he is doing was imossible by current tech of the day .. but possible based on few step in advancing tech ..

                            so to get to mars .. first thing he had to do was dramatically reduce the cost of getting into space.. which to him reusable rocket boosters .. with short turn around times ..

                            and if he shoots for mars and misses .. it's a terrible failure .. or if he dies on mars.. or on impact .. another failure .. that need to be avoided ...

                            but losing a booster near and there .. as he perfects the tech .. that's part of the failures that go along with it..loose to many and his company goes out of business .. nother terrible failure ..

                            there are acceptable failures and deadly failures .. don't get the two mixxed up .. and shooting for the moon and ending up drifting in space is a deadly failure..

                            and when the USA shot for the moon we got there .. then because there was no real cold war stratigic advantage .. we stopped going(can we ban shane from responding with conspiracy stuff about why we stopped going to the moon in this thread )
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                            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                              As I mentioned before ... When People don't believe in themselves ― and what they're accomplishing ― they don't believe in other People as well. In all honesty given enough time I think (almost anyone) can make a $1 Million/year Website/Business.

                              Of course many People won't believe that. Why? Because they don't believe in themselves.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                As I mentioned before ... When People don't believe in themselves ― and what they're accomplishing ― they don't believe in other People as well. In all honestly given enough time I think (almost anyone) can make a $1 Million/year Website/Business.

                                Of course many People won't believe that. Why? Because they don't believe in themselves.
                                actually you are wrong not everyone can.. and only about 1-2 million people on the planet of 7.5 billion.. earn 1,000,000 a year USD or more ..in any business or carreer .. or ..or or ..

                                there are a hell of a lot of people incapable of learning skills that can even provide small incomes .. so if you can make a million a year .. help those who really can't no matter how hard they try ..or affirm .. or dream
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                                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                  I don't believe in "statistics" or "predictions" or "______." And I don't believe in being "realistic."
                                  All that stuff is for "losers". All of the greatest Entrepreneurs believe anything is possible. [And thats an expression for you purists.]
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                              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                              .
                              (can we ban shane from responding with conspiracy stuff about why we stopped going to the moon in this thread )
                              No we can't ban him yet a few would like to, or can we
                              We know he was joking, relax shane!
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                            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                            Shoot for the Moon ... And if you miss, you will land among the stars.
                            : )
                            I think you might have skipped a few lessons in Astronomy class.
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                              Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                              I think you might have skipped a few lessons in Astronomy class.
                              Lol. It just means go for your dreams and don't let anyone hold you back.
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                            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                            Shoot for the Moon ... And if you miss, you will land among the stars.
                            : )
                            I want to address that.

                            This is the kind of saying that gets applause, but offers no advice, nothing constructive...and the only people that think it makes sense are rank beginners...and...

                            The moon is incredibly closer to us than the stars. So it would actually be "Shoot for the stars and you may land on the Moon"

                            But that is never...never ..how successful people plan their business. They shoot for the Moon, and hit the Moon...because they know what they are doing.
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                              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                              But that is never...never ..how successful people plan their business. They shoot for the Moon, and hit the Moon...because they know what they are doing.
                              What would this place be without you??? I'm serious.

                              Having you here, makes it so much easier for me to allow myself to die. :-) Not that I have any intention, at all, of ever doing so!
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                  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    I think all of those (especially "positive thinking") can actually speed up the success process. In fact I would go so far to say that without looking at "failure" in a positive light (as something you can learn from etc.) success for that individual will be much harder.
                    Now you have done it. You posted something I agree with. I don't know if I would ever look on a failure in a positive light (especially at the time), but it is sure instructive. And some people look at even a minor setback as a major failure, and a reason to quit.



                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    And one of the most important factors is that he believed it was possible. If he had listened to all the People saying to be "realistic" he probably would have given up after spending several months before he made any money.
                    I see your point now, I think. Here is my thought on that...
                    Most of the people that are telling a newbie that their plans are not realistic, are not experienced. They are basing their opinion on no information...or basing it on their own expectations.

                    But most people here offering advice are speaking from real experience (at least on the offline forum). Their knowledge is valuable. They are criticizing an idea because they are more knowledgeable than the person asking the question, not less.

                    Even when i was in my mid 30s.....A nice home, a great business...I still had well meaning relatives ask me "When are you going to get a real job?"

                    And I would say "My employees have real jobs. I own the business". But to them, it was all unfamiliar, all unknown.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                      But most people here offering advice are speaking from real experience (at least on the offline forum). Their knowledge is valuable. They are criticizing an idea because they are more knowledgeable than the person asking the question, not less.
                      OK. Fair enough point. : ) I have recently learned something from both you and Kay that I have found helpful. So thanks for that.

                      However I have to ask, why are so many of you being so "abrasive" with your advice? When, many times, the Person/Newbie asking for advice would appreciate being treated with more "respect." (And, if the goal is to get them to really think about the advice) wouldn't that approach be more effective for certain People?

                      Just a question.
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                        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                        OK. Fair enough point. : ) I have recently learned something from both you and Kay that I have found helpful. So thanks for that.

                        However I have to ask, why are so many of you being so "abrasive" with your advice? When, many times, the Person/Newbie asking for advice would appreciate being treated with more "respect." (And, if the goal is to get them to really think about the advice) wouldn't that approach be more effective for certain People?

                        Just a question.
                        Well chalk it up ito the past i was trying to not be so abrasive to a female on another forum and she accused me of mansplaining .. and there are growing number of people .. any exposure to opinions not the same as their .. is to abrasive for them..

                        and their is generally very few way you can correct somone who is doing something wrong without being somewhat abrasive .. i mean it's one thing when you are dealing with little children .. but if you want to be treated like a 9 yea old and told happy sounding stuff.. then you should not post on forums ..at all
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                        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                          The problem is that many "Newbies"/"New Marketers" are struggling and have low self esteem. The last thing they need is someone telling them how "useless" (etc.) their dream/ambition is. (Well it's actually OK providing you do it with good social skills.)
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                          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                            The problem is that many "Newbies"/"New Marketers" are struggling and have low self esteem. The last thing they need is someone telling them how "useless" (etc.) their dream/ambition is. (Well it's actually OK providing you do it with good social skills.)
                            low self esteem is the best thing some can have ..if the are penniless or have not done anything yet .. It has not done anyone any favors trying to foster high self esteem .. when people are not the least bit productive ..

                            you get self esteem after you accomplish something .. so if your stuf suck and people lie to you and tell you is fine or great .. and you continue producing crap .. and know you are producing crap .. while everyone is lying to you ..

                            It does not help ..
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                              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                              you get self esteem after you accomplish something.
                              Self-esteem, like self-confidence and respect are earned by how you carry yourself through life and by what you accomplish in the process.

                              Too many people think they are owed all of the above, simply for showing up. Sad!
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                            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                              You get self esteem after you accomplish something.
                              Like what? (Just out of curiosity.)
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                                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                Like what? (Just out of curiosity.)
                                anything .. when you crappy at something .. and you get noticeably better.. then better-er ..

                                rather than surrounding yourself with people who will let you feel good about being crappy.. you hunker down and start putting in the effort to be less and less crappy .. to have life suck less and less until that area of your life goes from suck to success .. and then you build on success ..instead of suck ..


                                identify where your life sucks that you can improve .. and put the effort into improving it .. you can do this with a lot of thing and it requires no money ... much of the time
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                                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                                  Identify where your life sucks that you can improve .. and put the effort into improving it .. you can do this with a lot of thing and it requires no money .. much of the time.
                                  Cool. Great point. Thanks.
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                                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                    Cool. Great point. Thanks.
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                                    you get to decide what accomplishments make your esteem ..or how you feel about yourself .. higher .. not the opinions or criticism of others.. as that is not self esteem.. that builds a puffed up ego .. and pride and ego lead humans astray into territory of self destruction ..

                                    accept Optidin ..but he might not qualify as human or mere human any more
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                                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                                      and pride and ego lead humans astray into territory of self destruction.
                                      That's true if you're talking about false pride or an over-inflated ego. The only thing that is more advantageous to help you become successful than a healthy ego is controlled narcissism.

                                      accept Optidin ..but he might not qualify as human or mere human any more
                                      I left the realm of mere mortals, decades, ago.
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                          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                          and their is generally very few way you can correct somone who is doing something wrong without being somewhat abrasive .. i mean it's one thing when you are dealing with little children .. but if you want to be treated like a 9 yea old and told happy sounding stuff.. then you should not post on forums ..at all
                          MAKE THIS A STICKY FOR SNOWFLAKES AND THUMBSUCKERS!!!
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                            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                            MAKE THIS A STICKY FOR SNOWFLAKES AND THUMBSUCKERS!!!
                            I have to be carefull though any more of this .. and snowflakes will come off college campuses to protest me when i am standing in line to get dinner
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                              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                              I have to be carefull though any more of this .. and snowflakes will come off college campuses to protest me when i am standing in line to get dinner
                              Not a problem. Just give them a dirty look and they will withdrawal to their safe-space where they will huddle in a quivering, whimpering mass of over-sensitivity.
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                        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                        However I have to ask, why are so many of you being so "abrasive" with your advice? When, many times, the Person/Newbie asking for advice would appreciate being treated with more "respect." (And, if the goal is to get them to really think about the advice) wouldn't that approach be more effective for certain People?

                        Just a question.
                        I don't mean to be abrasive with my advice. And believe me, I get no pleasure from telling someone that they are barking up the wrong tree. But there is the long..."save their self esteem, sandwich it between two compliments" approach...and there is the "get to the point" approach.

                        And the way I talk to adults is by treating them as equals. I'm just not a "huggy feely" kind of person.

                        If a person asks a business related question, I assume they want to be treated like a business person.

                        And again, I have to say...this isn't the business section of the forum. It's the support group section. And I'm not a support group kind of person. But for whatever reason...people come to this section asking questions of a business nature.

                        So...if they really want to learn something, they are going to get a disagreement with their point of view. And for me...that's seldom going to resemble a kiss on the forehead.
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                          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                          And the way I talk to adults is by treating them as equals. I'm just not a "huggy feely" kind of person.
                          You need to follow my lead and work on becoming, "warm and fuzzy." Fortunately, I've never had to work at it. It just comes naturally to me.
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                          P.S. Thanks Claude. The Forum would be a very boring pleace if we all thought (and did) the same thing.
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          It's a quote by actor Will Smith...and have no idea what he was thinking when he said that or why it's worth quoting.



          A better quote by Smith is
          a point i keep trying to make over and over ..and this makes it easy to point out.. just google the quote .. and anyone can find a dozen interviews at least where he explain the quote ..

          I am 40 I believe with the advance in medical tech.. and understanding of longevity and baring sudden death events.. i can live another hundred years and be mobile youthful healthy and productive ..and stay off of medications ..no retirment until maybe when i am 135 years old ..

          in the last few years i have drastically improved my health and mental stability .. and have been shaking off several bad habits ..

          there is a fair amount of research out today that can be implemented to improve health today and possibly increase longevity .

          we create our own reality .. based on what we think is possible or realistic for us .. and ther world we live in .. is making more and more thing possible on a near daily basis.. the problem is we get trained into old concepts of reality.. or predicting the future based on now ..

          on the path i was on 5 years ago.. i probably would have ended up in a grave in 10-15 years from now ..and then i did the unrealistic thing and went to the philippines for a little over to months.. spend a bit to much money(mostly on plane tickets ) ..but change who i was ..

          just because something seems to be unrealistic ..does not make it impossible ..just most likely improbable .. you can do improbable
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        it can be done with a certain amount of tact and consideration

        You can try - or if someone truly wants help, they can learn to deal with less than "you are wonderful" comments.


        The problem with 'realistic' is that one person's 'realistic' may translate as 'la la land' to me.
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        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        When you are dealing with snowflakes who have inadvertently wandered out of their 'safe space' because their truth blinders are set to 'extra-narrow' view.
        I knew that l shouldn't have posted that video.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        "In the event of a tornado, put some weiners in your pockets. That way the search dogs will find you first."


        As far as helpful advice, I think that's probably more useful than a lot of the 'motivational quotes' you see in this section. Self confidence is good - but will never replace competence over the long haul.


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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Self confidence is good - but will never replace competence over the long haul.
          It's especially good when based on something tangible.
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          As far as helpful advice, I think that's probably more useful than a lot of the 'motivational quotes' you see in this section. Self confidence is good - but will never replace competence over the long haul.
          For me being a successful Entrepreneur is 50% "Inner Game" (Mindset, attitude, "positive thinking" etc.) and 50% "Outer Game" (Taking action, learning, progressing.)

          With all the respect in the World Kay -- if you don't like the philosophies here in Mind Forum, then leave. (Unless you have something to contribute.)
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            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            I don't believe in "statistics" or "predictions" or "______." And I don't believe in being "realistic."
            All that stuff is for "losers". All of the greatest Entrepreneurs believe anything is possible. [And thats an expression for you purists.]
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            For me being a successful Entrepreneur is 50% "Inner Game" (Mindset, attitude, "positive thinking" etc.) and 50% "Outer Game" (Taking action, learning, progressing.)

            With all the respect in the World Kay -- if you don't like the philosophies here in Mind Forum, then leave. (Unless you have something to contribute.)
            damit .. i knew i had something wrong.. thank you..

            that so much easier than all the effort i have been putting into building different skill sets .. to build a profitable business to have the lifestyle i want .. or more build the lifestyle i want into the business ..

            I will will build my business .. starting by growing Moringa in tropical countries turning it into a powder that can be sold for 60-80 dollars usd a pound in The USA and other countries .. selling it through social media .. to build a million dollar a year business ..i just have to sell 1000-1200 pounds a month ..which can be produce from under 10 acres ..or 3 hectares or so .. blah blah blah ..

            statics numbers figures.. all that borings stuff.. who needs it..
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              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              damit .. i knew i had something wrong.. thank you..

              that so much easier than all the effort i have been putting into building different skill sets .. to build a profitable business to have the lifestyle i want .. or more build the lifestyle i want into the business ..

              I will will build my business .. starting by growing Moringa in tropical countries turning it into a powder that can be sold for 60-80 dollars usd a pound in The USA and other countries .. selling it through social media .. to build a million dollar a year business ..i just have to sell 1000-1200 pounds a month ..which can be produce from under 10 acres ..or 3 hectares or so .. blah blah blah ..

              statics numbers figures.. all that borings stuff.. who needs it..
              Apparently, you missed the over-reaching concept. You need to give your product away, along with all of the love, respect, admiration, assistance and caring you can muster.

              THIS, my friend, is how one becomes rich. The best thing about this business model? It guarantees success and incredible wealth, because the money will just roll in. From where, I cannot tell you, but supposedly - this is how it works.

              Who, knew???
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                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                Apparently, you missed the over-reaching concept. You need to give your product away, along with all of the love, respect, admiration, assistance and caring you can muster.

                THIS, my friend, is how one becomes rich. The best thing about this business model? It guarantees success and incredible wealth, because the money will just roll in. From where, I cannot tell you, but supposedly - this is how it works.

                Who, knew???
                that was fine when i was working in the hangover costume on the Vegas strip .. but with real products that have a cost to produce and distribute ..

                I will will put out a huge amount of content with tasty and healthy recipes that have Moringa powder in them.. will give plenty of that away..

                but it will be content i produce .. and invole the products i am selling
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                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  I will will put out a huge amount of content with tasty and healthy recipes that have Moringa powder in them.. will give plenty of that away..
                  Personally, I have never been big on a business model where I am first, forced to educate the masses on just what it is I'm hawking.

                  You'll forgive my ignorance, But I seriously thought you were making that up.

                  There are few things on the planet that one can ingest that I haven't at least heard of, before. We learn something new, every day. :-)
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                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Personally, I have never been big on a business model where I am first, forced to educate the masses on just what it is I'm hawking.

                    You'll forgive my ignorance, But I seriously thought you were making that up.

                    There are few things on the planet that one can ingest that I haven't at least heard of, before. We learn something new, every day. :-)
                    that's fine ..i don't have to educate the masses ..this is more for people who are into superfood/ sprouting and green smoothies ..It can be grown in the tropixs easily and parts of florida and california most of the year ..so it something people can't grow in their yard for the most part ..

                    I can generate content for this group.. being that i will be one of them soon enough .. and it is easy enough to start small and scale and even distribute locally as i build the social media /online national customer base .. i will probably start growing it in southern florida then move production out of the country .. but time will tell ...
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              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              damit .. i knew i had something wrong.. thank you..

              that so much easier than all the effort i have been putting into building different skill sets .. to build a profitable business to have the lifestyle i want .. or more build the lifestyle i want into the business ..

              I will will build my business .. starting by growing Moringa in tropical countries turning it into a powder that can be sold for 60-80 dollars usd a pound in The USA and other countries .. selling it through social media .. to build a million dollar a year business ..i just have to sell 1000-1200 pounds a month ..which can be produce from under 10 acres ..or 3 hectares or so .. blah blah blah ..

              statics numbers figures.. all that borings stuff.. who needs it..
              When I was in Bangkok in 1972 I was served a delicious soup, and a yummy dessert which both had Marum (moringa) as the "secret" ingredient. I also had some raw marum (like a green bean with pea pods, and a peppery yet somewhat sweet taste).

              Today, thanks to marketing, it has become a superfood and like most so-called superfoods, there isn't enough (or any) scientific claims to support the sudden interest in moringa. It is the fad supplement du jour. 0

              Make sure you have a good copywriter on board for the hype needed to sell this type of product.

              But, not wanting to be snippy, at least now, I see you have a plan, and I wish you well with it. Growing it is not much of a problem, it is the selling of it, and you better have some great recipes, and good processing.

              You're at least doing something with all that positive thinking, we'll wait a few months to see if the other guy manifests any results with his manifestation process, I am, however inclined to agree with Optedin, results manifest best, when preceded by hard work, and adjusting until the results manifest.

              Did I say manifest? I meant, come into REALITY.

              GordonJ

              PS. There is a fast growing interest in moringa, better get on board quickly before the scientists say you'll get just as much from broccoli and Kale. At least marum tastes better.
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                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                Today, thanks to marketing, it has become a superfood and like most so-called superfoods, there isn't enough (or any) scientific claims to support the sudden interest in moringa. It is the fad supplement du jour. 0
                I just don't get this, at all. I spend hours each day on the web and at least one hour is devoted to keeping-up with the latest trends in 'health and fitness.' I was completely serious when I stated that I have never seen the word, moringa, before in my entire life. It doesn't even pop-up in ads like that those incessant friggin' red-beet powder ads.

                Granted, I do frequent sites that are prone to more traditional and scientifically verifiable information, but still, how has the existence of this product, totally escaped me - not that I have any interest in it?

                BTW - broccoli and kale? I could eat broccoli with every meal, including my omelettes - but kale has never passed my lips. Not even a kale chip. lol The only green, leafy vegetable I don't love are mustard greens and I can take or leave collards, so there's a strong possibility that if I tried kale, I would love it. Somehow, I just can't bring myself to do it. I think it must be related to psychological rebellion at it's revered place in culinary circles. Some things I just won't do, on principle. FYI - I have NEVER 'tweeted.' :-)
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                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


                GordonJ

                PS. There is a fast growing interest in moringa, better get on board quickly before the scientists say you'll get just as much from broccoli and Kale. At least marum tastes better.
                i am not on board with the superfood hype ..seems everything with a high amount of one mineral or vitamin ..is a superfood .. blah .. moringa just fit the crteria cor the kind of thing i want to grow ..that can be turned into a powder or sold as leaves .. and shipped around the country ..

                now being in this section .. i am figuring on getting the pricepoint up by crafting the box in a way to call it a cosmic box .. that draws in cosmic energy and infuses it into what ever herb spice or other ingredient you put in the box .. or package it with other socalled superfood powders .. and sell it as a kit .. as the interest grows the price range is already going down near 20 $ a pound for the powder .. so what ever special..non scientifically verifiable element i can introduce to increase the price and encourage a bit of elitism in the people who buy my product ..

                Trust me once i am done with my time in the desert seeking higher enlightenment.. or sovereign realization ..i've got plenty of mystic cred ..at least i will be getting people to consume stuff that is actually good for them .. in proper amounts ..If you care about the mystical extras buy my stuff .. if your cheep . and don't car by the wal mart quality moringa..HA! ..
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                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  i am figuring on getting the pricepoint up by crafting the box in a way to call it a cosmic box .. that draws in cosmic energy and infuses it into what ever herb spice or other ingredient you put in the box
                  Call it Unicorn Poo. Unfortunately, though - I already own unicornpoo.com

                  Hit me up in the 'Joint Ventures forum. lol
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        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        and when the USA shot for the moon we got there .. then because there was no real cold war stratigic advantage .. we stopped going(can we ban shane from responding with conspiracy stuff about why we stopped going to the moon in this thread )


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        With all the respect in the World Kay -- if you don't like the philosophies here in Mind Forum, then leave. (Unless you have something to contribute.)
        My 'contribution' as a Mod is making sure threads like this don't go too far off the rails. If someone doesn't like it - oh well.

        For me being a successful Entrepreneur is 50% "Inner Game" (Mindset, attitude, "positive thinking" etc.) and 50% "Outer Game" (Taking action, learning, progressing.)
        That's a lot of effort/time/percentage spent on 'me me me' before you get to the meat of the process. Are you 'being a successful Entrepreneur'? It's a serious question.

        Motivation - and finding that motivation - is important...but it's not the end game. Your brother has figured that out - does he mentor you?
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          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Are you 'being a successful Entrepreneur'? It's a serious question.
          That depends. Does saying that you are going to do something for years, but never actually doing it, make one a success? It's a serious question. :-)
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            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            With all the respect in the World Kay -- if you don't like the philosophies here in Mind Forum, then leave. (Unless you have something to contribute.)
            Hey! Kay has more insight in her little toe than I read in here in a week. Although it is tempting to just stand by and watch you newbies spin on your head, thinking you are drilling for oil.

            The experienced intelligent members here are trying (most of us anyway) to contribute. But anything that doesn't match the current fantasy is rejected as "arrogance, limited thinking, or lack of conviction".

            We aren't your enemy Your enemy is the people who have no real experience to share, and so revert to platitudes.
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              We aren't your enemy Your enemy is the people who have no real experience to share, and so revert to platitudes.
              If these people want an up-close and personal view of their most dangerous and destructive enemy, they should gaze into a mirror.
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            The problem is that many "Newbies"/"New Marketers" are struggling and have low self esteem. The last thing they need is someone telling them how "useless" (etc.) their dream/ambition is. (Well it's actually OK providing you do it with good social skills.)

            That's not my problem. If you have unrealistic expectations and dreams - I'm not wasting my time feeding your fantasies and your ego. That's not helpful.


            If someone asks for advice and can't handle a critique - they should go back to FB where all their 'followers' say "I empathize - poor you" .
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              Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

              That's not my problem. If you have unrealistic expectations and dreams - I'm not wasting my time feeding your fantasies and your ego. That's not helpful ...
              How do your determine what's "unrealistic". (Any examples?) And why do you have to be so "critical" instead of supportive of where they're going wrong?
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                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                How do your determine what's "unrealistic". (Any examples?) And why do you have to be so "critical" instead of supportive of where they're going wrong?
                if you ever get out into the real world .. or when you eventually do.. it's not kind and gentle and supportive .. bad stuff can happen .. at any time .. no matter how positive you are ..
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                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  If you ever get out into the real world .. or when you eventually do.. it's not kind and gentle and supportive .. bad stuff can happen .. at any time .. no matter how positive you are ..
                  Of course. Generatlly speaking I think the World is a friendly place.

                  That's kind of "The Law Of Attraction" ... When a Person is thinking about how "bad" everthing is, that's what they see. When actually, there's a lot of good in the World.
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                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                    Of course. Generatlly speaking I think the World is a friendly place.

                    That's kind of "The Law Of Attraction" ... When a Person is thinking about how "bad" everthing is, that's what they see. When actually, there's a lot of good in the World.
                    and sometimes ..you need to let someone touch the hot pan on the stove ..and burn their hand .. but i guess in the world we live in we are making it so kids grow up and are just kept out of the kitchen when cooking is done.. so they do not learn the consequences of touching the stove ..

                    people eat at least a few times a day ..in the real world..and there are a lot of cooking fires or hot pans.. even if some want to think their is no danger .. and have only lived in a world with only cold pans and no cooking fires ..

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                    the genius learns from the mistakes of others
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                      What are you talking about?
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                        Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                        What are you talking about?
                        It's the mind warrior section.. so I don't have to say things everyone can understand.. but those who get it get it .. those who don't .. and if no one gets it fine.. I'm no ones guru..

                        as i know how the law of attraction works and that sometimes a bone needs to be rebroken so that it can heal properly ..I am at that spiritual point .. where when something bad or seemingly bad in the moment is happening ... why it is happening and the long term good ..get explained to me .. or becomes obvious .. real fast .
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                          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                          It's the mind warrior section .. so I don't have to say things everyone can understand..
                          (Lol) OK. That's kind of disrespectful considering you were posting here long before you went into other Forums.

                          As i know how the law of attraction works and that sometimes a bone needs to be rebroken so that it can heal properly ..
                          I guess so. Proving that the bone heals that's a good thing.

                          I am at that spiritual point .. where when something bad or seemingly bad in the moment is happening ... why it is happening and the long term good .. get explained to me .. or becomes obvious .. real fast .
                          Interesting point. Thanks : )
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                            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                            (Lol) OK. That's kind of disrespectful considering you were posting here long before you went into other Forums.

                            I guess so. Proving that the bone heals that's a good thing.



                            Interesting point. Thanks : )
                            and i think a lot of the people here who have seen my posts over a long period of time can tell you there where probably many post of mine they had no idea what the ... i was trying to say..

                            I think i have gotten a bit better getting accross what i am trying to say.. but sometimes as clear as i try to make thing ..in my crazy mind .. there is nothing but utter failure to get a point across .

                            but i at least will talk to people on this forum in the belief they are adults ..even if they are 14 .. children should not post on this forum if they can not take the slightest bit of harsh criticism .. and it doesn't matter how old you are ..in today's world perpetual adolescence is the plague of the 21st century
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                              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                              But I at least will talk to people on this forum in the belief they are adults .. even if they are 14 .. children should not post on this forum if they can not take the slightest bit of harsh criticism ...
                              I agree teenagers shouldn't be on The Forum ... (However if they are an are being "subtle" then maybe it's OK) ...

                              Anyway, I don't have anything wrong about "criticism" it's just the way some People communicate it. I could be wrong however I think some People enjoy telling People what to do.

                              Then there's something even worse: "The Dream Stealers." What are they? Unfortunately People that don't believe in themselves and then try to persuade other People from being successful. They are rare however they do exist.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                I agree teenagers shouldn't be on The Forum ... (However if they are an are being "subtle" then maybe it's OK) ...

                                Anyway, I don't have anything wrong about "criticism" it's just the way some People communicate it. I could be wrong however I think some People enjoy telling People what to do.

                                Then there's something even worse: "The Dream Stealers." What are they? Unfortunately People that don't believe in themselves and then try to persuade other People from being successful. They are rare however they do exist.
                                If someone is on this forum as a teenager.. then they should be fine with being talked to like an adult and not expect to be treated with soft furry mits ..like so much of the western world wants to do today..

                                ad if they can handle it and actually learn through all the criticism here and avoid the fluffy bull sky crap .. and learn how to build a business that makes money .. the real way.. then it is fine they are here ..

                                but don't expect me to treat people like they are 7 years old and should not be criticized ..by anyone but mom and dad ..

                                and if any thing some body you will never meet .. kan say on a forum that ..that can steal a dream away .. then don't put your dream on a forum .. if it is that fragile of a dream ..

                                IF it is something you really want and not some crap you just think about to feel better ..for a little while .. put a plan together to start working to make the dream a reality ..and only share it with those who will help you do what you need to do now to get it ..

                                so many people waste there time trying to get people on board with there dream or goal .. or advise from people who in no way shape or form could contribute to the accomplishing of the goal .. so it;s less dream stealing and more trying to gett advice on how to cook the best pizza .. from a brick layer who can't even cook scrambled eggs
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                                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                  In all honesty Oddah I've had a long day I can't be bothered responding. Good Luck with everything though.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                                    Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                                    In all honesty Oddah I've had a long day I can't be bothered responding. Good Luck with everything though.
                                    then i wish you a very restful nights sleep.. my fiance (shes the boss) got on facebook to my attention as elsewhere..i will build my wealth for her and so that her and my children don't grow up poor or have to listen to us argue about money .. all the time

                                    I wish you success in your endeavor as well ..
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                              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post


                                Anyway, I don't have anything wrong about "criticism" it's just the way some People communicate it. I could be wrong however I think some People enjoy telling People what to do.

                                Then there's something even worse: "The Dream Stealers." What are they? Unfortunately People that don't believe in themselves and then try to persuade other People from being successful. They are rare however they do exist.
                                Jonathan; I haven't seen many of the people "who like telling people what to do" or the "Dream stealers" here.

                                Your language shows that you see them differently than I do. At the best, I see people wanting to genuinely help, and at the worst, I see people who are trying to help...and are short on patience.

                                The people here that like telling others what to do...but aren't really helping...are the ones that are offering platitudes and snappy sayings. The ones offering bad advice, because they think cheering you on is helping you...are the ones to watch out for.

                                The ones with no experience..no expertise....but still think they are helping because they say "you can do anything"...(or whatever they read on a poster) are the ones that are keeping you back. That's the truth.

                                And I personally think saying "You're an idiot" is a waste of time. It helps nobody. It teaches nothing.
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                                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                                  Here's the deal:

                                  When I see a Person/Newbie that I think I can help: I will be respectful and supportive and do everything I can to help them. You Guys do your approach. Understand?

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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Are you 'being a successful Entrepreneur'? It's a serious question.
          Well I have spend months and months working on YourHealthyKnowledge.com Should all be ready in a few more weeks.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        "With all the respect in the World Kay -- if you don't like the philosophies here in Mind Forum, then leave. (Unless you have something to contribute.)"

        WOW!!! Talk about snippy! lol Who died and left this clown, boss?

        Philosophies? Most of what we have here, barely reaches the level of a coherent yammering. Repetitive noise and static, based on nothing but pseudo-science, delusion couched in big words and postulations proffered by individuals, devoid of any meaningful life experience.

        Spare us, please!
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Internet Trillionaire View Post


      This thread should come down, or be locked. In my opinion it's a waste of your energy. Unless you live for these kinds of threads.
      your opintion on the thread being just a waste of time and energy.. became invalid when you took the time and energy to place a response near the end and help keep it going.. if you had just stayed quite .. it might have finally ended .. but noo ..
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    I wish there was a "secular answer only" rule in non-mind warrior/off topic forums.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      I wish there was a "secular answer only" rule in non-mind warrior/off topic forums.
      There pretty much is, although lots of subjects skirt the line.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        There pretty much is, although lots of subjects skirt the line.
        i think the way it works out here .. even with the non secular stuff that does get posted.. people get to call what they feel is bs bs .. nothing posted in these two forum..can be posted as absolute doctrin . on anything..you post anything here ..if it interesting in anyway..expect decenting view ..

        this forum give a place where you can practice arguing for your beliefs ..if you are willing to actually try to explain them ..
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        • Profile picture of the author socialentry
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          i think the way it works out here .. even with the non secular stuff that does get posted.. people get to call what they feel is bs bs .. nothing posted in these two forum..can be posted as absolute doctrin . on anything..you post anything here ..if it interesting in anyway..expect decenting view ..

          this forum give a place where you can practice arguing for your beliefs ..if you are willing to actually try to explain them ..

          Wow no, the WF simply doesn't have a debate culture.Calling bs is not debating... but I disgress .

          The issue is similar to that of crackpots on physics and math forums.

          If you let the conspiracy theorists run wild without moderation --- watch out eventually the forum will be a forum for crackpots by crackpots... Even if they get debunked. The people interested in genuine STEM discussions will get tired to debunk and will simply leave.
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  • Profile picture of the author Immortal Fascist
    Without a Master you end up a grumpy old turd.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mat Odysseus
    WarriorForum is nothing compared to Reddit haha.

    I agree. Why would a successful, well-adjusted human being take the extra time of day to be mean to someone asking for help? It's mostly manifestation of their own pain and suffering. But still, even after knowing that, harsh and unnecessary comments do damage, even if it's only the distraction of thinking about it for a few minutes.

    Ironically, I still think "toughen up" is the best advice here. There will always be people like this everywhere, you need to find an effective way of dealing with them, and I've found that trying to ignore these people has worked best for me. I'm a creator and I offer value, it's only fair that I ask for some value every now and then, and people who don't see the balance in that deserve as little attention as possible.

    Cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Stacey Cee
    Hi Ryan, you know I grew up being very polite and respectful to others, but when I went into the marketplace I realized that not everyone was polite or even respectful. In my opinion, many of the people that fall into the "PSP" category are just transferring online the type of people they are in "real life". Some people are very negative, some are positive in life, and that is transferred into their writing online. A lot of people forget where they came from too, they forget, that they were in a starting phase at one point as well, so they may criticize others. I would say to everyone that may be affected by criticism, when life hands you lemons, make lemonade. Take the bitterness that is dished out and use it to make you better!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Princess Balestra
    tbh, longer this post rolls/gasms/flogged-to-death-mule-kinda-lifestyles on, ima thinkin' we got the foundation here for a snark-centric WSO.

    We could mebbe call it DISS THE PLANET -- the ultimate pinpoint denigration resource for dumpin' on friends an' foes alike.

    Call our team an' discover IRASCIBLE WISDOM INCARNATE merely for existin' as a CALLER.

    Thing is, I prolly got considerable expertise in this regard bcs las' night in the store I seen sum guy starin' down my ass as he figured the frozen fish area.

    So I said, "you want mayo with that?" cos that is my stock response for anywan droolin' on Moi I don't actschwlly want droolin' on Moi.

    So the guy says, "yeah, where I find that?" an' I kinda realize I maxed out here on a total sensorium switchout.

    That is why ima rebrandin' myself as SOFTER THAN FROZEN HADDOCK, SWEETER THAN SPONTANEOUSLY DRIZZLED MAYO.
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Funny how this is still getting pop

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  • Profile picture of the author Immortal Fascist
    Cut Through The Noise and Erase Your Pitiful Past + Come to Our Inner Sanctum.

    And REBORN AGAIN.

    The future is promising.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rag M Paper
    Then why block people who wanna improve their lives
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