Do You Want Worldly Success or Freedom?

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Guys, the old me wanted worldly success.

I wanted money, big homes, fast cars, and all the trappings.

Wanting these things, I was tempted to follow advice from internet marketers who made a ton of dough (not bakers), had big homes, fast cars, and all the trappings.

The core of their IM campaign was showing off this stuff. Red flag to me. Even as a newbie.

I learned over the years that I wanted freedom, not worldly success, as my prime intent.

PLUS....I learned that becoming free has a neat benefit; you make more and more money without worrying about it or focusing on it, because following your passion, solving problems, developing skills and serving people is the basis of all fortunes. If you seek freedom over stuff, you enjoy the ride, have fun and the worldly stuff flows in with greater and greater ease.

My Life

I have retired to a life of island hopping through smart blogging. I am pretty free. Freedom has been my focus.

I could move down a different road but that'd move me toward bondage, because then, I would not feel free or happy until I had some *thing*. *Things* like money, fame, big homes, and big cars. Plus I'd have to base my internet campaign mainly on having things, and how having things makes you happy, which is not only untrue, but is a root cause of unhappiness.

Why do most folks seem genuinely unhappy? In IM? In life? They are in bondage because they seek stuff - paychecks, etc - to be the cause of their comfort, and fall disappointed after the momentary high of receiving money fades. Because they are bound. Energetically handcuffed.

Guys; you see WSO's based on money and outcomes and freedom, and many well known IMers nod in agreement that "it works" but "it works" means the strategy parts fear-based folks (greedy, desperate, hungry for a solution) from money, You are not freeing anybody with a sole outcomes based approach. You bind them. Is that REALLY what you want to do with your life, and what you want to teach human beings to do to other human beings?

Sure you can sell a dream but consider focusing on a freeing experience. Like when folks see my eBook cover, learn the backstory (I snapped it in Savusavu, Fiji, where I lived for 4 months a few years ago, and people get all excited to have a similar freeing experience), and they dig the change up, plus it moves them out of a craving vibe towards an experience vibe.

Then get so busy showing people how to live the freeing experience for free (content) and for pay (premium products and services) that you lose the fear of being generous, the fear of competition, the fear of wasting your time, and all the stuff that goads most IMers to seek worldly success over freedom.

This is how to be free. As you free yourself and free people, the money and fame and whatever you want, that flows in, if you are clear on allowing it in. All that stuff feels like extra, or a bonus, or icing on the cake, if you do things from a place of love and freedom, not bondage.

You want freedom guys. First. The worldly success flows in much more easily long term, and you won't make a big deal about it anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    For starters you mentioned cake, so Claude is sold, but on a more serious note...

    I think that what you are saying is, (in my case) work at being the best in online trading, and helping others with advise, (to a point) and forget about the new BMW and the money will flow freely.

    But don't help anyone, and aggressively invest and money will have issues flowing to you?

    Makes sense.

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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

      and forget about the new BMW and the money will flow freely.
      That's horse shit. Do you know why I drive a beautiful BMW? Because I wanted one and worked my ass off it be able to comfortably afford it. And that's just one thing on the list, all of which have been acquired. That's the reward for hard, competent, successful work.

      Not wanting to own things and be willing to work hard to attain them is such a loser concept that all I can do is laugh at how preposterous that is. Do you know who subscribes to that belief? People who will never achieve/own anything and want you to believe that they never wanted to achieve/own anything and that all they ever wanted to do with their life was just, "give."

      Do you know all you are required to "give" people? An honest day's work for an honest day's pay.
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        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        That's horse shit. Do you know why I drive a beautiful BMW? Because I wanted one and worked my ass off it be able to comfortably afford it. And that's just one thing on the list, all of which have been acquired. That's the reward for hard, competent, successful work.

        Not wanting to own things and be willing to work hard to attain them is such a loser concept that all I can do is laugh at how preposterous that is. Do you know who subscribes to that belief? People who will never achieve/own anything and want you to believe that they never wanted to achieve/own anything and that all they ever wanted to do with their life was just, "give."

        Do you know all you are required to "give" people? An honest day's work for an honest day's pay.
        I get where you are coming from, it is pretty hard to have the freedom, without the perks.

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          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          I get where you are coming from, it is pretty hard to have the freedom, without the perks.
          Continue the journey, grasshopper. :-)
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            You certainly made me laugh about the grasshopper.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardraysnight
    t want worldly freedom
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      Originally Posted by hardraysnight View Post

      t want worldly freedom
      The secret to having worldly freedom is through achieving success. Success and the financial rewards it brings, allows you to live your life as freely as you choose.

      If you don't achieve financial success, you will be a slave forever and there's absolutely no freedom in that. Unless of course you want to be a loser that just sits around and contemplates their navel, all day. Deep!
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      I absolutely agree with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Immortal Fascist
    The Master can give you both.
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      Originally Posted by Immortal Fascist View Post

      The Master can give you both.
      The Master will 'give you,' nothing. The Master demands that you work for what you want to attain. There is no free ride, in life.

      Do you think the Master got where he is by sitting around on his fat ass, contemplating his navel?
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    I don't work - just play.
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      Originally Posted by Immortal Fascist View Post

      I don't work - just play.
      The Master, says - "Enjoy your nothingness." :-)

      Do contact The Master when you are ready to get in the game.
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      Originally Posted by Immortal Fascist View Post

      I am the game.
      The Master is commenting via the Universe. Can you hear his message?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mat Odysseus
    Money is a means to an end.

    Basically people chase money to achieve one of two deeper purposes - freedom, or power.

    If someone is after freedom, they'll probably make some money and realize that they never really needed it in the first place, but it's great to have it.

    If someone is after power, then they should probably get some help
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      Originally Posted by Mat Odysseus View Post

      If someone is after power, then they should probably get some help
      What's wrong with power? Absolutely, nothing. It's how you use your power that matters.

      How would civilization ever have progressed if the world's leaders didn't have and use power? It hasn't been perfect, but it's what makes the world go 'round.

      Life's not as simple as it appears you may think it is, or you'd like it to be.

      Butch-up!
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      • Profile picture of the author Mat Odysseus
        "What's wrong with power? Absolutely, nothing. It's how you use your power that matters."

        True.

        "How would civilization ever have progressed if the world's leaders didn't have and use power?"

        Progress has nothing to do with power and world leaders, it's about technology. Every time power has been taken away from giant monolithic entities, the world has become a better place.

        "Life's not as simple as it appears you may think it is, or you'd like it to be."

        You don't know how I think or how I would like it to be.

        "Butch-up!"

        Worry about yourself, I'll be fine
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          Originally Posted by Mat Odysseus View Post

          "You don't know how I think or how I would like it to be.)
          All I know is what I see.
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      Originally Posted by Mat Odysseus View Post

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      If someone is after power, then they should probably get some help
      or a good connection
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    So what exactly is "smart blogging" OP?
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      Originally Posted by sebastya View Post

      So what exactly is "smart blogging" OP?
      I hope you're hungry for a giant serving of word salad! :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Worldly Success and Freedom - two different questions that depend on your own definitions.

    You can work hard and smart - accumulate wealth than enables you to live the live you want - be secure - enjoy doing things that interest you - have a nice home - drive a great car.

    Or you can decide 'stuff' doesn't hold an interest for you...be a digital nomad house sitting around the world...traveling light and owning little.

    Both are 'freedom' - just depends on what works for you now and will work in the future.



    If your idea of security or freedom is waiting for Karma to kick in and take care of you....I think you are missing some important points. But - your life and it's your freedom you are dealing with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    I don't understand the appeal of "Being free".

    I'm an adult, so I have responsibilities, commitments.

    To me, and my limited viewpoint, freedom can only mean one of two things...

    1) You are homeless. And "freedom" is the same kind of freedom a feral dog enjoys.

    2) You have enough assets that you are free from owing other people. Free from asking another person's permission.

    But free from responsibility? How is that being anything?
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      I don't understand the appeal of "Being free".

      I'm an adult, so I have responsibilities, commitments.

      To me, and my limited viewpoint, freedom can only mean one of two things...

      1) You are homeless. And "freedom" is the same kind of freedom a feral dog enjoys.

      2) You have enough assets that you are free from owing other people. Free from asking another person's permission.

      But free from responsibility? How is that being anything?
      this is not a respons to you claude ..and i don't mean to sound like an ass comment on a chunk of people who are homeless but not everyone who is homeless ..

      there are people who are homeless because bad stuff happened and they are temporarily homeless even if it is a tear or two.. then their are those with the personalities and the lifestyles of feral dogs.. that people think of when they think of homeless .. and will steal from everyone even their so called best friends or .. girlfriends or boyfriends .. and or dig through dumpsters and pile trash around their camps.. or just drop what ever trash they produce where ever they want even if they are ten feet from the trash bin ..

      or if you live on poor areas .. the people who will steal the stuff from your apartment when you are working and try to sell it back to you when you get paid ..

      in any case I think ryans argument or post .. falls off a bit .. is if when he is island hopping he is renting fully furnished apartments .. filled with other people stuff .. if he is renting empty apartment for a few months .. buying furniture .and all the other stuff that makes life nice to a westernized person . then handing the keys back and hoppingto another island and doing the same ..

      but hoping islands renting fully furnished apartments or houses .. filled with stuff other people buy .. thats just one of those luxuries we have today in the modern world ..

      now i would and i have actually rented apartments spend some money to furnish them for a few months .. and handed the keys back to the landlord before getting back on the plane to the US .. but it meant having a much better experience in those few months than spending the same amount of money in the US for those few months ..
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        this is not a respons to you claude ..and i don't mean to sound like an ass comment on a chunk of people who are homeless but not everyone who is homeless ..
        .

        I think, after reading your post, that I may have misinterpreted what the OP was saying (maybe, maybe not).


        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        But let's be clear. Digital nomads with their talk of flip-flops and laptops are selling a lifestyle dream every bit as potent as that from any bling-laden IM guru flashing his Ferrari.
        I agree. In fact, that was Frank Kern's entire shtick years ago.

        But in my experience, it attracts the people who fantasize about doing nothing. They are buying into the idea of no work. I know that the appeal works.

        I just haven't met anyone that is that guy...the beach loving, fun in the sun, blogger that makes a real living. I'm sure they exist.

        Maybe it's that I can't identify at all with that person. And maybe it's because I've never experienced it.

        Added later; I once heard Kern on stage. He was asked something like "With all your leisure time, how do you ever make money?".

        And Frank Kern did something I hadn't seen before. He broke character. He stopped talking like a surfer dude for ten minutes. He said "I work lots harder than I let on". And then he went on to describe all he did in one day.

        And after he answered the guy's question, he snapped back into his character...Happy Hippie surfer dude.
        After his talk, I asked several people if they saw him break character. Nobody did. I've seen Dan Kennedy do the same thing. Nobody ever catches it.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I just haven't met anyone that is that guy...the beach loving, fun in the sun, blogger that makes a real living. I'm sure they exist.
          #IM-Myth. Of course, if you consider beanie-weenies in a can, cooked over Sterno, "real living," OK.
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          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I think, after reading your post, that I may have misinterpreted what the OP was saying (maybe, maybe not).


          I just haven't met anyone that is that guy...the beach loving, fun in the sun, blogger that makes a real living. I'm sure they exist.

          that guy doesn't exist for long .. i know i have only been to the philippines ..and that was for a few months 4 years ago.. but even if you are completely drained and worn out .. after a few weeks you are recharged and start feeling the need to be productive.. then everywhere you go .. people are working 10 hours a day for less than a dollar an hour .. and at least when you are around they are the happiest people you have ever seen.. even though they are poorer than many homeless people in the USA ..who won't get put in jail if they go to the hospital and can't pay the bill .

          Leisure time is only really enjoyable when it is between periods of being very productive .. and if you are surrounded by people who are working hard and happy .. and at least not complaining in english ..

          and studying expats who retire and live outside the USA ..many start businesses.. because there tends to be nothing else to do unless sitting around and drinking all day is fun ..day after day ..
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      But free from responsibility? How is that being anything?
      To be fair to the OP, I don't think he meant freedom from responsibility. Anyone even remotely connected to society - let alone running a business - has responsibilities and commitments.

      Being free from debt is liberating. That's achieved by either having more income than you need, or reducing your needs to match your income. Both ways work, depending on your lifestyle choices and priorities.

      But let's be clear. Digital nomads with their talk of flip-flops and laptops are selling a lifestyle dream every bit as potent as that from any bling-laden IM guru flashing his Ferrari.

      #Alwaysbemarketing
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        Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

        To be fair to the OP, I don't think he meant freedom from responsibility. Anyone even remotely connected to society - let alone running a business - has responsibilities and commitments.

        Being free from debt is liberating. That's achieved by either having more income than you need, or reducing your needs to match your income. Both ways work, depending on your lifestyle choices and priorities.

        But let's be clear. Digital nomads with their talk of flip-flops and laptops are selling a lifestyle dream every bit as potent as that from any bling-laden IM guru flashing his Ferrari.

        #Alwaysbemarketing

        I've missed you, Frank
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      Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

      1) You are homeless. And "freedom" is the same kind of freedom a feral dog enjoys.
      I've been legitimately homeless. There's no "freedom" involved. At least the feral dog is probably having sex.

      But free from responsibility? How is that being anything?
      It's two things. Boring and unfulfilling.
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  • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
    Freedom for me is being able to hop on a plane in the middle of winter and being able to step off that plane 2 hours later, with my laptop, into a warm climate, near a beach, (and a 5 star hotel, and cocktail).

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  • On a filosofikyewl ticket, William James once spoke about free will bein' the ability to think the thoughts you wanna think.


    Gotta figure this makes for plenty takes on freedom to suit the individyool -- an' invites us to wonder what common features are shared by any stuff impinges on that.
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  • I think it's more of a question of values rather than freedom versus success.

    If you value a nice car and expensive things, there's nothing with that. If that's what you really love, then why not work to get it.

    If you value the opportunity to travel and experience different cultures, there's nothing wrong with that either.

    Different people value different things. There are some things I am willing to pay my hard earned money for and there are things I can do without. Does that make me better than anyone else? No. It just means the things I want are different from everyone else. Isn't that why we're all working so hard on our businesses, so we can have the things we value the most? Whether it's a BMW or the chance to go island hopping whenever we want, what matters is we have the chance to go after the things we want because we made the choice to work for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author DerekMarshall
    Freedom. Rich is relative. $3000 a month might be normal living in US but is rather well off in Aisa.
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  • Profile picture of the author Melody Castillo
    Worldly freedom or success?they both has different Definition.
    ...in short explaination...in order for you to be free..you must be successful first and when u already successfull..you have already freedom to do what u wanted to to.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maxxx333
    Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

    Guys, the old me wanted worldly success.

    I wanted money, big homes, fast cars, and all the trappings.

    Wanting these things, I was tempted to follow advice from internet marketers who made a ton of dough (not bakers), had big homes, fast cars, and all the trappings.

    The core of their IM campaign was showing off this stuff. Red flag to me. Even as a newbie.

    I learned over the years that I wanted freedom, not worldly success, as my prime intent.

    PLUS....I learned that becoming free has a neat benefit; you make more and more money without worrying about it or focusing on it, because following your passion, solving problems, developing skills and serving people is the basis of all fortunes. If you seek freedom over stuff, you enjoy the ride, have fun and the worldly stuff flows in with greater and greater ease.

    My Life

    I have retired to a life of island hopping through smart blogging. I am pretty free. Freedom has been my focus.

    I could move down a different road but that'd move me toward bondage, because then, I would not feel free or happy until I had some *thing*. *Things* like money, fame, big homes, and big cars. Plus I'd have to base my internet campaign mainly on having things, and how having things makes you happy, which is not only untrue, but is a root cause of unhappiness.

    Why do most folks seem genuinely unhappy? In IM? In life? They are in bondage because they seek stuff - paychecks, etc - to be the cause of their comfort, and fall disappointed after the momentary high of receiving money fades. Because they are bound. Energetically handcuffed.

    Guys; you see WSO's based on money and outcomes and freedom, and many well known IMers nod in agreement that "it works" but "it works" means the strategy parts fear-based folks (greedy, desperate, hungry for a solution) from money, You are not freeing anybody with a sole outcomes based approach. You bind them. Is that REALLY what you want to do with your life, and what you want to teach human beings to do to other human beings?

    Sure you can sell a dream but consider focusing on a freeing experience. Like when folks see my eBook cover, learn the backstory (I snapped it in Savusavu, Fiji, where I lived for 4 months a few years ago, and people get all excited to have a similar freeing experience), and they dig the change up, plus it moves them out of a craving vibe towards an experience vibe.

    Then get so busy showing people how to live the freeing experience for free (content) and for pay (premium products and services) that you lose the fear of being generous, the fear of competition, the fear of wasting your time, and all the stuff that goads most IMers to seek worldly success over freedom.

    This is how to be free. As you free yourself and free people, the money and fame and whatever you want, that flows in, if you are clear on allowing it in. All that stuff feels like extra, or a bonus, or icing on the cake, if you do things from a place of love and freedom, not bondage.

    You want freedom guys. First. The worldly success flows in much more easily long term, and you won't make a big deal about it anyway.
    This is actually something real, i feelk personally the same way, money without freedom isn't shit!
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      Originally Posted by Maxxx333 View Post

      This is actually something real,
      "Real" is in the mind of the beholder. You're on the Internet.

      i feelk personally the same way, money without freedom isn't shit!
      Freedom without money, isn't shit.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        "Real" is in the mind of the beholder. You're on the Internet.



        Freedom without money, isn't shit.
        having money give you the options not to have to do dumb shit ..to get free stuff

        I remember watching a thing on a business that pays people to stand in line for things .. like the new iphone or tickets or whatever.. for people wealthy enough to pay other people to stand in line..to have what everyone else has to stand in line

        I think the same company also delivers food from higher end resteraunts that don't have delivery or just to far away to have a delivery..so people spend much more for the delivery than the food they want ..

        i don't play the big video games much anymore.. but there are people who spend hundred or sometimes thousands of dollars in a week ..to get around grinding for a hundred or a thousand hours for some stuff ..

        money give access and options ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Abdullah Amjad
    your information is very useful money without freedom
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  • Profile picture of the author nitishaugust
    i feel its Detachment from what you do and still put your love in what you do. great post you have it here.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Flm
    If somebody is more successful than others, more often than not is that he made a trunkload of mistakes before the fat lady sung. All too often, people confine themselves into limited thinking, never use visualization and make feeble attempts to copycat their way upwards.
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      Originally Posted by George Flm View Post

      All too often, people confine themselves into limited thinking, never use visualization and make feeble attempts to copycat their way upwards.
      That's as valid a business strategy as many others and I'm sure it works for some people. There is no 'right way' to do almost anything.
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      • Profile picture of the author George Flm
        Sure, there are usually many ways to peel an onion.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by George Flm View Post

          Sure, there are usually many ways to peel an onion.
          in the post optidin quoted.. where you siting microsoft's model for releasing opertating systems for the last 25 years or is it 35 ..
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            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            in the post optidin quoted.. where you siting microsoft's model for releasing opertating systems for the last 25 years or is it 35 ..
            The chills and thrills of Microsoft.
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            • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
              Originally Posted by George Flm View Post

              The chills and thrills of Microsoft.
              Yes, Microsoft, pity they became evil.

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                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Yes, Microsoft, pity they became evil.
                Are you implying that there was a time in their history when they weren't evil? I was not aware. :-)
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                  Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                  Are you implying that there was a time in their history when they weren't evil? I was not aware. :-)
                  common core.. bill gate attempt to tune the education system to turn out cheap tech workers so he didn't have to abuse the visa system to import cheap tech workers from the developing world.. because the higher education system in the USA saddles student with heavy debt .. so they can't afford to work at the wages of foreign workers..

                  While he is using his fortune to better educate thos people in the developing world building schools that use traditional education programs
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                    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                    While he is using his fortune to better educate thos people in the developing world building schools that use traditional education programs
                    I believe this is what society labels, "Atoning for past sins." :-)
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                      Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                      I believe this is what society labels, "Atoning for past sins." :-)

                      his fortune isn't big enough.. at least in the western world..so it is more building a future customer base ..but it's not something i really have a lot of thought in.. and it's actuaaly good work.. if he wasn't actively screwing up the education system in the USA to make more money from selling a lot of the software for common core
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                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Are you implying that there was a time in their history when they weren't evil? I was not aware. :-)
                    Yes, when XP came out and 7 they were way less evil than today. Windows XP, was like the workhorse of OS, and WIndows 7, was like, slightly less of a workhorse, but it looked really nice.

                    Vista and 10, evil incarnate.

                    Originally Posted by George Flm View Post

                    Google too. People showed trust in this brand until they wiped off the map (search results) the average Joe, then sold search results to the highest bidder. People thought Google was "cool" until it backfired. They thought it's the search engine of the people where youd put out content and rank in a few days.

                    For years now they censor the results. SEO is pretty much dead. They don't like us.
                    Not sure about the SEO dead remark, it just takes a while.

                    But search results, with Youtube, yes that happens, or some get unnesesscarely pushed back while others don't.

                    Some have cleverly used other kw,s to get over this, which works for the most part.

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                  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
                    Instead of either or, why not want it All !
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                    • Profile picture of the author DABK
                      Yes, Ryan, why are they mutually exclusive?


                      Originally Posted by DWolfe View Post

                      Instead of either or, why not want it All !
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                    what i will say is that to travel the world and stay in nice places that are furnished.. some greedy person had to buy the house or building ,, furnish and keep it up to a comfortable standard ..but a person can't claim anti materialistic freedom.. if they are paying for access to other peoples stuff ..

                    Yes, they can. They leave the stuff behind when they move on - they live with 'stuff' that is someone else's 'taste in fashion'. A person can 'claim' any lifestyle they please - it is their lifestyle to define.



                    The 'greed' comes into play when you can't enjoy something without feeling the need to 'own it'.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

                      Yes, they can. They leave the stuff behind when they move on - they live with 'stuff' that is someone else's 'taste in fashion'. A person can 'claim' any lifestyle they please - it is their lifestyle to define.



                      The 'greed' comes into play when you can't enjoy something without feeling the need to 'own it'.
                      yeah.. the sarcasm i tried to put in there was totally missed .. as i was trying to point out .. that you can't really parrot the I don't have a bunch of stuff ..to take my freedom away and i move around the world every few months..

                      If you can only really do that comfortably because people all over the world are buying these houses,condos ,and apartments.. furnishing them with nice stuff .. and renting them out to travelers ..

                      If your freedom is only possibly because of other peple worldly success ..and attempts to make money ..and it is becoming more common ..

                      i was kidding about the people buying and furnishing these places to rent them out being greedy.. i thinking it is a wonderful business model made possible by the web and new traveling trends ...
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                      I was led to believe adulthood would involve more cocktail sipping and less everything sucking.


                      Other than that, it's all good.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                      I ride on a high horse. And the view is spectacular.

                      Oh yeah - I do that, too. Sometimes it's a 17.2 hand spotted draft or Percheron and other days it's a 16.1 hand Thoroughbred named "Boo"....
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                Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

                Yes, Microsoft, pity they became evil.

                Google too. People showed trust in this brand until they wiped off the map (search results) the average Joe, then sold search results to the highest bidder. People thought Google was "cool" until it backfired. They thought it's the search engine of the people where you\d put out content and rank in a few days.

                For years now they censor the results. SEO is pretty much dead. They don't like us.
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                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by George Flm View Post

                  Google too. People showed trust in this brand until they wiped off the map (search results) the average Joe, then sold search results to the highest bidder. People thought Google was "cool" until it backfired. They thought it's the search engine of the people where youd put out content and rank in a few days.

                  For years now they censor the results. SEO is pretty much dead. They don't like us.
                  Not really. The SEO "where you\d put out content and rank in a few days," is dead. Otherwise, SEO is alive and well, and something that I gleefully, ignore. :-)
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                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Not really. The SEO "where youd put out content and rank in a few days," is dead. Otherwise, SEO is alive and well, and something that I gleefully, ignore. :-)
                    Good for you. I stopped dabbling with SEO, Not my cup of tea these days.
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                      Originally Posted by George Flm View Post

                      Good for you. I stopped dabbling with SEO, Not my cup of tea these days.
                      That's like dabbling at becoming a heart surgeon. SEO requires full-time, fanatical obsession. Not my shot of whiskey, these days!
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                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    Not really. The SEO "where youd put out content and rank in a few days," is dead. Otherwise, SEO is alive and well, and something that I gleefully, ignore. :-)
                    i thought google simply started offering results based on the previous search patterns of the persons search history..and also something to do with if someone landed clicks through to a site after searching a term.. and stays on a site and doesn't use that search term again ..and the more people who that site does that for the higher that site gets ranked
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                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      i thought google simply started offering results based on the previous search patterns of the persons search history.
                      That's part of how they offer search suggestions as you start to type, not how they display results.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with "Worldly Goods." Who doesn't want a nice car and house/flat?

    However (IMO) it's important not to base your self-worth on them ... Or acquire them to impress other People. (Something Rick Warren calls "The People Pleaser Trap.")

    "Freedom" is definitely a wonderful thing however something that's more important to me is "Character Development."

    And sometimes that means facing, experiencing, and overcoming difficult challenges (etc.)

    Great post though -- thanks Ryan.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Personally I don't think there anything wrong with "Worldly Goods." Who doesn't want a nice car and house/flat?

      However (IMO) it's important not to base your self-worth on them ... Or acquire them to impress other People. (Something Rick Warren calls "The People Pleaser Trap.")

      "Freedom" is definitely a wonderful thing however something that's more important to me is "Character Development." And sometimes that means facing, experiencing, and overcoming difficult challenges (etc.)

      Great post though -- thanks Ryan.
      : )
      the people pleasing thing .. only covers a small bit of why people buy stuff..of course there are alway some posures trying to look a lot more successful than they are ..the fake it until you make .. rent the porsche to go to the class reunion types..

      but a large amount of stuff people by other hardly ever see ..think about the wanna be internet marketer .. or entrepreneur crowd .. it's the dream of being a successful entrepreneur.. or making a lot of money ..having a lot of money .. why they by product after product

      a lot of money spend is on dreams and other simulated experience .. i never cook but for 4 easy payments of 59,95 i can get this new awsome device that will get me cooking like a pro ..

      and it barley gets out of the box and plugged in.. so people buy bigger and bigger houses or bigger and bigger storage lockers t house and keep their stuff in climate controlled perfection.. to protect their simulated experiences .. and hold on to the dreams of what could have been but never happen.. and when that stuff gets stolen damaged or destroyed.. all those dreams that could have been get lost with them ..
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        .. So people buy bigger and bigger ..
        Yep: You're right Odahh. It's kind of sad really. They get tired with what they have bought and then buy the next best thing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

          Yep: You're right Odahh. It's kind of sad really. They get tired with what they have bought and then buy the next best thing.
          it's not sad ..it's just the way things are ..if you want to be an entrepreneur.. you have to sell people dreams .. and sell thing that can help people achieve those dream..

          not your job to get them off their fat asses and actually do the work they need to do.. but if a fraction of people do it and get results .. you can't pay the bills if only that fraction who does something bought ..

          to quite the conscious .. it better of them having something..that they may not do anything will that made them feel better for an amount of time ..that is probably a better habit for them than drinking drugs.. or gambling and other baddish habits
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  • tbh I got a problem with superfixation on material stuffs.


    Don't wanna flag up THE SRSLY LUSHO BALESTRA BOUDOIR as representin' no kinda ULTIMATE FEELZ NIRVANA on a SUCCESS-THEMED POST slipstream roll ...


    hey, but las' week I was real bummed out with the place, even tho I been maxin' out super sweet an' diligent on ultra plusso millennial comforts gonna zing out evry positive vibe my way.


    I even got a stoopid LAMP installed I can kinda bend around the place while I am ' readin' or probin' my muffola for INSECTOID BANDITS -- an' prolly I should be supremely satisfied, but I figure THINGS proffer satisfactionstuffs only ever in relation to POV -- an' I am a real grouchass rn.


    Kinda shameful to say, but prolly ima cruise a whole buncha novelty stores later for HIP YOGA GEAR don't make me look like a WAND.
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  • Profile picture of the author Just Jess
    I'm more afraid of the expired drugs.
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  • Profile picture of the author ehlee
    Great post Ryan! I want it all. Just kidding. Freedom can mean so many things. Having material goods is dope too. Traveling the world without any worries is my goal. Good stuff like always.
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  • Profile picture of the author ClaudiaStagner
    Worldly liberty or success?they both has distinct Definition. . . .in brief explaination. . .in order for you to be free..you has to be effective first and if un successfull..you have freedom to do what u needed to to.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnVianny
    FREEDOM belongs to MONEY.

    Without money you won't have time and so freedom.

    Success is when you make money and have time to spend it, to live the life at your own pace.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sir Eliot Dundee
    I think there are millionaires with a hectic lifestyle that would trade it with a life of more fulfillment and freedom. Driving your Benz to go to work and having little time for you and family, isn't that ideal.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Sir Eliot Dundee View Post

      Driving your Benz to go to work and having little time for you and family, isn't that ideal.
      Wouldn't that depend on your relationship with your family?
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      • Profile picture of the author Sir Eliot Dundee
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Wouldn't that depend on your relationship with your family?
        Yes of course, if family doesn't float your boat, something else will.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Sir Eliot Dundee View Post

          Yes of course, if family doesn't float your boat, something else will.
          Well, for some people, that just might be, "Driving your Benz to go to work."
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          • Profile picture of the author Believe In You
            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            Well, for some people, that just might be, "Driving your Benz to go to work."
            Sure, nothing wrong with that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Wouldn't that depend on your relationship with your family?
        it is so much better now that i am thousands of miles away from my brothers and sister.. and don't talk to any of them save for once a month on facebook messenger ..my parents passed on 4 years ago a few months apart .. and i have no ex wives or children.. i never felt i had the right to bring children into this world while i was a complete mess ..and law of attraction working as it does.. the only women i got involved with for any length of time .. had their list of meds..er mental problems ..

        now that i have got most of my issues under control ..i can go marry a filipina ..that might need a boob job to go from perfect to masterpiece ..i have one lined up and i have given her plenty of warning the last few years .. that she has ignored ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Richa seth
    I want Freedom through Success....
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Rise
    Now I have freedom, but no worldly success...So I want it to be mine


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  • Profile picture of the author Sid Owsley
    Hi, this is a great subject because many of us, myself included get into business with the intention of making a lot of money to buy a lot of stuff ie... expensive cars, big houses, jewelry, etc... thinking this will make us happy and fulfilled in life but when we get these things they actually weight us down. We have to chase money to keep paying for our "stuff" and for the other "stuff" that we want because we can never have enough "stuff". We have to have the latest model of whatever smartphone, car, etc... This only puts us back in the rat race mode but without a steady paycheck which can be worse.
    Similar to you I like to travel, and I've learned over the past few years that I love to experience new people, places, and things instead of accumulating a bunch of stuff I'll only use for a short period of time. I've been able to travel to several different countries for months at a time, eat expensive meals at a fraction of the price I would pay in the U.S., meet great people, and experience some of the natural beauty of this planet. That has been much more important and fulfilling to me than buying things I don't really need. Do I still want a really nice expensive sports car, Yes! Do I want the penthouse at the beach, Yes. Am I driving myself crazy trying to get these things not being grateful for what I already have and experienced, No! These things will flow to me as you said from helping people and solving problems. Wanting nice things isn't bad just don't be obsessed with acquiring things over having great experiences.
    I'm looking forward to my next trip and the experiences I'll have. As a matter of fact, I was just looking in my closet at the clothes I have and don't wear. It's time to get rid of this stuff because I don't need it and I can move around easier.
    When you can let go of things you don't need even though you still like them it's a very freeing experience.
    Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this subject because sometimes we can get so caught up in trying to make money to buy a bunch of crap that we forget what's important in life.


    Enjoy your outcome!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Fechtel
    Freedom may in fact be the meaning to life. I want ultimate freedom, whether that requires 50k a year or 500k a year.

    More specifically, I want just enough stable income to survive the way I want to live. I do not want extra money.

    Hopefully I can achieve this soon....$140 a week online through my e-store haha I am not asking for a lot
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    sid i am going to ask the same from you .. that i asked of ryan from the op..

    When you travel are you staying place with hardly any furniture.. or are you staying in place full of nice stuff other people have bought to make the places look nice so travelers stay there ..and you can rent a nice place like that for a month .. for less than you can rent an apartment in high crime rate cities ..
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  • Profile picture of the author tahnoon
    i am looking for freedom
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    • Profile picture of the author Immortal Fascist
      Originally Posted by tahnoon View Post

      i am looking for freedom
      Only The Master can set you free.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by Immortal Fascist View Post

        Only The Master can set you free.
        I accept all major credit cards and PayPal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Phillips
    I hear you loud and clear.
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  • Profile picture of the author roadto3k
    FREEDOM! *sorry for the caps*

    Society has trapped us into thinking that we have to sell our time to earn something in return (e.g. money).

    Nicely said bro, keep it up!
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by roadto3k View Post

      Society has trapped us into thinking that we have to sell our time to earn something in return (e.g. money).
      Well, that is how most of the world eats, unless you're a farmer or a beggar. Even begging for money takes time, though. Think about it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Well, that is how most of the world eats, unless you're a farmer or a beggar. Even begging for money takes time, though. Think about it.
        well not just timethe willingness to tell everyone how baf off you are and be willing to sit their and and get looked down upon by large number of people in hopes a few will hand you enough so you can buy more beer..or weed or other drugs..and maybe some food ..

        if you are fine averaging 4 dollars an hour with the occasional 20 from someone ..

        I was a street performer in Vegas .. but at least when people wanted to know how much i made ..i could hold up the beer i had and say beer money ..there is always a different way than begging.. or eating out of trash cans ..unless someone has just completely given up ..
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          there is always a different way than begging.. or eating out of trash cans ..unless someone has just completely given up ..
          Which is worse? Doesn't sound like much to aspire to.
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    free~ to be or not to be...
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  • Profile picture of the author Deevoo
    Freedom is truly valued when when you realize that you don't have it during a moment of weakness. It's not easy because takes a lot of work and sacrifice to achieve.
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  • Profile picture of the author RicarDiaz
    Now my question is. Do you have a fast car at least?
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by RicarDiaz View Post

      Now my question is. Do you have a fast car at least?
      If you're asking me, the answer is, "Yes!" Fast and beautiful. :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author Jessica Ambos
    This scenario varies for everyone. It's subjective. Some may want all the trappings (people can be really greedy sometimes) whilst others just want to live a peaceful life away from all the trappings (as this may cause bondage). I think this depends on personality differences among people. You can't force someone to serve others first and worldly wealth will follow thereafter. Neither can you have someone pursue worldly wealth when they already have everything they need.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Jessica Ambos View Post

      This scenario varies for everyone. It's subjective. Some may want all the trappings (people can be really greedy sometimes)
      I wasn't aware that wanting all of the finer things in life makes one greedy. What do the finer things in life exist for, if not for people to aspire to acquire them.

      I should sell my BMW and buy a Chevy Cruz, Will that make me a better person? Truth be told, I'd love a second BMW as different models are suited to different driving scenarios.

      I don't smoke, drink, do drugs, gamble, golf, fish, own a boat or chase women.

      That alone should entitle me to two BMW's. :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        I wasn't aware that wanting all of the finer things in life makes one greedy. What do the finer things in life exist for, if not for people to aspire to acquire them.

        I should sell my BMW and buy a Chevy Cruz, Will that make me a better person? Truth be told, I'd love a second BMW as different models are suited to different driving scenarios.

        I don't smoke, drink, do drugs, gamble, golf, fish, own a boat or chase women.

        That alone should entitle me to two BMW's. :-)
        i find the either or part of this discussion.. is full of old programming that holds people back for even choosing what they really want .. forget going after it ..

        there are plenty of greedy people who are poor.. who don't want to do anything to provide value or increase the value of what they do..but want more money because the government passes a law so they get paid more ..

        if someone builds a business in an area..hires people and then buys or builds themselves a real nice house.. and buys a nice car .. they can afford ..

        well the last ression that almost took down the US .. was cause by selling houses to people who could never afford to pay for them.. all over the country ..

        building wealth that many people benefit from as you are building it .. is a kind of greed that would be better if more people did it ..

        If someone is parroting freedom over stuff .. because they can't get the stuff that shows worldly success .. is not a genuine thing..it is sour grapes ..
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          If someone is parroting freedom over stuff .. because they can't get the stuff that shows worldly success .. is not a genuine thing..it is sour grapes ..
          Right. It's the old, "I'm poor because I nobly choose to be." Just another excuse for being a loser.

          Wanting nice things doesn't make you greedy. It should make you ambitious.

          That said, if I had 10x or even 100x the money I do have, I can confidently say that my lifestyle wouldn't be much different than it is, today. I would have that 2 seater BMW, though. I can afford anything I want. I just can't find anything I truly want to buy. It's not that I live lavishly. It's that I don't aspire to own things just for the sake of owning them.

          I remember when I first moved into my lake house. A good friend, (who sold boats) actually convinced me that I needed a Donzi "Sweet 16" to '"live the dream." I smoked a lot of pot back then and didn't always think things through. Bought the boat, loved the boat, kept it for one summer and sold the boat. The only time I ever truly wanted a boat was when I was a SCUBA diver, underwater photographer and tropical fish collector, when I lived in Key West. I did the truly smart thing. Instead of buying a 21-foot Boston Whaler, I found someone that owned one, that shared my interests, that I could be friends with. lol

          By the time you reach my age, if you don't have everything you need and want, you didn't work hard enough. Yeah, I know. Many folks find hard work to be a ridiculous concept, to be shunned at all costs. I have always loved it, as long as the remuneration was in line with my expectations and abilities. I don't come cheaply.

          Hard work builds character - and your savings account. :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            . The only time I ever truly wanted a boat was when I was a SCUBA diver, underwater photographer and tropical fish collector, when I lived in Key West. I did the truly smart thing. Instead of buying a 21-foot Boston Whaler, I found someone that owned one, that shared my interests, that I could be friends with. lol

            Hard work builds character - and your savings account. :-)
            this is why i try to keep you old guys going there are gems you all drop

            the false idea it seems many people have ..misses the big chunk of insite you get to here .. at a point you get all you want to own .. you also learn to make friend who have things you like to experience sometime but don't want to own ..but i bet this friendship was a two way street .. so you had as much to bring to the friendship.

            again not sure of the proper wording

            what i will say is that to travel the world and stay in nice places that are furnished.. some greedy person had to buy the house or building ,, furnish and keep it up to a comfortable standard ..but a person can't claim anti materialistic freedom.. if they are paying for access to other peoples stuff ..

            as for hard work .. it is definitely needed .. but many people don't either increase the value of their hard work.. or do not capture much of the value
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

              some greedy person had to buy the house or building
              Don't know why you would call them greedy. They are merely financially able. That's what makes the world, go 'round.
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                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                Don't know why you would call them greedy. They are merely financially able. That's what makes the world, go 'round.
                yeah ..i gotta learn to point of when i am being sarcastic .. eventually i will have that kind of business.. in a tropical location.. mini resort people come to stay for a week or two ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Master Blake
    Here, at the inner sanctum we incubate a new reality by
    means of appreciation, edification and the scorching
    desire to...manifest. Life doesn't have to be like a
    tall order. The consensus is to become your own accomplish.

    Go in cahoots with your supreme self; they told you were
    not good enough in a cut-throat society were mediocrity
    thrives and healthy ego goes down the drain.

    Don't be one of them...
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  • Profile picture of the author moneynetwork
    I am happy with this tread,true freedom is living your life for people not your self alone and been a source of joy and happiness to others will you also happy and will give you fulfillment and in no time money and all other legitimate good things of life will begin to come to you without any stress because you are following your passion and meeting other peoples need.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by moneynetwork View Post

      I am happy with this tread,true freedom is living your life for people not your self alone and been a source of joy and happiness to others will you also happy and will give you fulfillment and in no time money and all other legitimate good things of life will begin to come to you without any stress because you are following your passion and meeting other peoples need.
      This is YOUR opinion of freedom. Don't present it as gospel.. Whatever happened to IMHO? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author Master Blake
    I ride on a high horse. And the view is spectacular.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Master Blake View Post

      I ride on a high horse. And the view is spectacular.
      Want to have friends? Get off your high horse. lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Want to have friends? Get off your high horse. lol
        I thought it would be dangerous to ride a horse that's been given enough drugs to be high ...

        and what is a high horse compared to a normal horse .. just when does a horse hit that differential point and become a high horse ..

        do i have to point to the sarcasm
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  • Profile picture of the author Master Blake
    When I think of a great scene, it's usually me in there.
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  • Profile picture of the author moneynetwork
    There is a clear distinction between success and freedom, success without freedom will lead to frustration because you will not be able to enjoy the wealth you have worked for, henceforth if you are on the path of success without freedom, you need to discontinue.Thanks..
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by moneynetwork View Post

      success without freedom
      There is no such animal. Part of being successful, is having freedom. I believe most people would concur.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ian5
    Money chasing isn't lead you to success and to your dreams. The success is in the simple things, not in money.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Ian5 View Post

      Money chasing isn't lead you to success and to your dreams. The success is in the simple things, not in money.
      Well, that's certainly one person's opinion. Show me the money!
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Well, that's certainly one person's opinion. Show me the money!
        show me the simple things list ..that you can do without much money.. or what someone considers the free things that are the best things in life ..

        all kinds of programming held over and fed to poor to keep them poor and doing the tedious work for rich landowners ..or industrialists .. that is just plain crap in the world we live in now ..

        sour grapes beliefs ..all kinds of negative beliefs about the rich.. or getting rich ..

        now there is the mythic image of an entrepreneur ..when it is easier to start a business now than ever and keep overhead low .. but people trying to look like a bigshot .. before they put in the work to actually be a bigshot
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          but people trying to look like a bigshot .. before they put in the work to actually be a bigshot
          I was lucky. I was born a big shot. No work, required. :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

            I was lucky. I was born a big shot. No work, required. :-)
            When you were born, nobody wanted to change you...because nobody wanted to get near you.
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            • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              When you were born, nobody wanted to change you...because nobody wanted to get near you.
              And 70 years later, that's still the case. You don't change perfection.
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                Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                And 70 years later, that's still the case. You don't change perfection.
                we create our own reality .. or some of us do so more than others ..
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                • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  we create our own reality .. or some of us do so more than others ..
                  And some of us to a better job of it, than others. :-)
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                  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                    Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                    And some of us to a better job of it, than others. :-)
                    depends on the grasp of reality .. if you understand you create your reality instead of some power out there responsible for your reality
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                    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      depends on the grasp of reality .. if you understand you create your reality instead of some power out there responsible for your reality
                      I take total responsibility for every aspect of my life, including the reality I have created.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

                        I take total responsibility for every aspect of my life, including the reality I have created.
                        one of the things i have been getting better at the last year .. is pulling out a lot of the bad habits/programming built up over the previous 39 years ..and realizing it is not that hard ..

                        as i am reprogramming for the future i want as i have been mainly working on mental stability and physical health ..which both where a mess a few years ago..

                        it's much harder to leave bad programming in the head then put in the effort to fix it and replace it with better programming .. if habits or programing ..is so important ..it's a person's responsibility to develop the good productive ones
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Very true these riches like cars houses are good but they are also a trap in life .Important its to be happy and to obtain freedom ,but also dont forget you have a life .Some people very succesful not my case they work hard for many years and they make huge money but they dont realize they waste their life dont be that one
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      Very true these riches like cars houses are good but they are also a trap in life
      These bring happiness to many people. They may be a trap to you, but you shouldn't generalize. They sell them for a reason. People desire and appreciate them. They are called, 'the finer things in life.' People work hard in order to acquire them. Don't look down on them or feel sorry for them.

      My house and my car and two of the greatest joys in my life. The immense pleasure and happiness they bring me can't be measured. It's not like I'm driving a Rolls Royce or living in a McMansion, but if I did, that would be fine, too.

      In no way do I feel 'trapped.' I feel fortunate. I am fortunate. :-)
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        These bring happiness to many people. They may be a trap to you, but you shouldn't generalize. They sell them for a reason. People desire and appreciate them. They are called, 'the finer things in life.' People work hard in order to acquire them. Don't look down on them or feel sorry for them.

        My house and my car and two of the greatest joys in my life. The immense pleasure and happiness they bring me can't be measured. It's not like I'm driving a Rolls Royce or living in a McMansion, but if I did, that would be fine, too.

        In no way do I feel 'trapped.' I feel fortunate. I am fortunate. :-)
        the longer this thread goes on and the more people who seem to have something against owning or having nice stuff ..comment with the trappings of success ..i'm wondering if they prefer being trapped in poverty or middle class what ever that means anymore ..

        there are plenty of people at any level of the economic scale miserable and unhappy.. or who produced messed up kids.. it seem only acceptable to notice the troubles of rich people or people with better stuff .. and use that as an excuse not to improve your life

        if people can'r keep up with the jones ..at lest they can keep up with the gossip on the jones

        the world we live in provide several different ways for people to live well if they want ..but it seem before people just start going for what they want.. theer is some need to cast hate or some negative on all other options beside what they want ..

        it is fascinating to a point.. and a realization that is enhancing my enlightenment .. haha
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          it is fascinating to a point.. and a realization that is enhancing my enlightenment .. haha
          This boils down to a few simple points.

          1. Everyone has different 'wants' in life that extend beyond what they need. Once their needs are covered, they should feel free to pursue whatever they want beyond that, if they feel it is TRULY want they want, regardless of whether or not acquiring those things, will, "make them happy."

          Everyone should stick to their own beliefs as they pertain to themselves and stop trying to cast judgement on others over how they choose to live their life and populate it with material goods of their choosing. To say that buying these things, "Won't make them happy," is ludicrous. You can think that - but, you can't know it.

          You're right, though. People who espouse the belief that having nice things will never make you happy, have probably never had nice things to determine if that is true or not. - and most likely, never will. Subconsciously, they have already resigned themselves to living a life of wanting, while putting down those that are ambitious and wind-up being people who appreciate and acquire nice things. They want you to feel bad about yourself. lol

          Don't think that what's right for you, is what's right for me. I'm not you and I don't want to be you. It took me a lifetime of misery to learn how to be happy. I'm not letting anyone ruin it for me through a guilt trip or jealousy. For decades I thought happiness was just an illusion. Now that I can experience it, I'm never letting go. My 'things,' alone are not responsible for my happiness, but they are the cheery on top.

          By 'you,' I don't mean you - Odahh. I'm using the word, generically.

          Cheers.

          P.S. I love my stuff. It makes me happy. I do things with it that makes me happy. Isn't THAT the name of the game?
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    The way i see it .. and i do admit to being crazy or a little crazy ..

    Is the world we live in today.. allows people to have nearly any lifestyle they can want .or offering more interesting ways to live on a regular basis .. so people need to develop self awareness ..and a sense of adventure .. rather than focusing on things they don't want and trying to shout at other people not to want it ..

    I want to live near a tropical beach with a few acres of land that produce fresh food all year long .. because i get absolutely miserable in cold weather .. and just being in a warm climate makes it much easier to be happy .. then having fresh tasty food withing a short walk .. also something that makes me happy ..or makes it easier for me to be happy ..i don't want a big house ..because i will like somewhere i like being outside ..and a big house just accumulates stuff ..and needs to be cleaned all the time ..

    I am as happy now .. compared to anyother time in my live.. and much better muscle tone and yada yada yada ..

    I know what i need to buy or what i will can buy..to provide sustainable happiness ..besides purchase high ..

    if my land and house is fully paid for ..happy

    someone else want to live where they can go skiing or get several feet of snow on a regular basis .. or live in a nich apartment in the big city .. or live in a RV much of the year ..

    good on them.. the economy we have now doesn't need everyone trying to live the same type of life to thrive.. like 50 years ago
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  • Profile picture of the author Obermair
    This is just the tip of a much larger issue... The larger issue is our belief system. What do I mean? Most of us are indoctrinated at an early age into the following life journey: get good grades at school, get into a great college, find an excellent job, get married, buy a house and put money into a 401K for retirement. The house, 401K and perhaps a few snazzy leased cars are the worldly "assets" .

    I use quotes because folks believe cars and homes assets but really they are not. They do not generate cash flow - they cost you every month. Freedom is the life you can live from streams of income (online businesses, real estate etc...).

    Any why am I such a staunch supporter of cash flow. A number of folks that I know were "resource actioned" (it is the nice way of telling folks they are fired) out of IBM. They followed the life journey perfectly. Family, job, house and 401K. And guess what? They are asset rich and cash flow poor. Worse than that, cash flow poor means they can't pay the mortgage or for the cars. They need another job but they are over 50 so that ain't happening any time soon. The 401K can be accessed, but heavily taxed and penalized. No job arrives, they pull out what they can from the 401K and watch all the worldly goods begin to disappear. A house of cards.

    Freedom is cash flow. Build the streams of income and the lifestyle you choose can be yours. Not only my thoughts but my reality.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Obermair View Post

      Freedom is cash flow. Build the streams of income and the lifestyle you choose can be yours. Not only my thoughts but my reality.
      Although this is certainly one viable option, it is only that. One option out of many that can be used to create personal and financial freedom.

      It's great that it's your reality, but there are many other paths that can produce the same outcome.

      My house has tripled in value since I purchased it. That's an asset. My car was purchased for pleasure. I don't expect it to make me any money, but at least I picked a make and model that has a very high resale value - not that I would ever think of selling it. I derive more pleasure from driving my car than I ever have from watching my stocks increase in value or my accrued interest grow.

      The desired lifestyle is different for everyone, as is the path to attaining it. There is no, 'one size fits all.'

      Cheers.
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      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post


        My house has tripled in value since I purchased it. That's an asset. My car was purchased for pleasure. I don't expect it to make me any money, but at least I picked a make and model that has a very high resale value - not that I would ever think of selling it. I derive more pleasure from driving my car than I ever have from watching my stocks increase in value or my accrued interest grow.

        The desired lifestyle is different for everyone, as is the path to attaining it. There is no, 'one size fits all.'

        Cheers.
        now i am not arguing with you or really commenting on what you said but .. this is gold ..

        the question is why are people actually making money .. and it seems to be forgotten in the success realm ..for some reason if you buy anything that is not an asset .. it's a grave sin .. or some such .. you should only buy stuff that makes more money .. everything you do needs to be about making more money ..

        but making money to like buy things you really want and increase the pleasure of your life .. from the poor persons view you are greedy and selfish ..yada yada yad .. but from the type A ,.. it's all about the money ..never enough .. if you buy these nice thn=ings and actuall take time to enjoy them .. it is wasteful ..and it's the type a people who write the success books ..

        so makeing the level of income to have the comfortable lifestyle you want .. and enjoying that lifestyle .. seem to get forgotten
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

          so makeing the level of income to have the comfortable lifestyle you want .. and enjoying that lifestyle .. seem to get forgotten
          Not by me. Making money has moved so far down on my list of priorities that it's not even pondered, most days. Additionally, there's not really anything I'm looking to buy. I have everything I want.

          I guess I could go out and buy some things. I'm debating the new Apple watch 4, but only because of the health apps that I think would be of tremendous benefit. I can afford to buy the $18,000 gold edition, yet I wear an $11 watch from Walmart. :-)

          I've been telling myself that I should get an iPad for around 3 years, or more. Can't justify it. I am waiting for the new Mac Pro to be released. I know I'm blowing $20k on that puppy, but oh, the joy that will bring me. Nothing makes me happier than my Mac. lol

          Money is made to spend. There is nothing more useless and pathetic than waking up everyday with the goal of accumulating more money, just to have more money. Money, by itself is meaningless. It's what you do with it that is what truly matters.
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          • Profile picture of the author Odahh
            Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post


            Money is made to spend. There is nothing more useless and pathetic than waking up everyday with the goal of accumulating more money, just to have more money. Money, by itself is meaningless. It's what you do with it that is what truly matters.
            oh there are several hings more pathetic.. but it seems the people who have more money than they ever need and just focus on accumulating more .. have the power to make that mindset seem like the highest virtue to hold ..and are the ones who seem to write the books on how to get rich ..

            i feel there are a lot more successful people than the numbers show.. because many wealthy people live their lives and many people who come in contact with them would have no idea they are wealthy .

            it be amazing to have the numbers on how many people have their own businesses that make 6 figure in profits before optional expense and then only realize 50,000 or less income a year ..while sliding many lifestyle expense into the business ..or setting up the business around their lifestyle ..
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  • Profile picture of the author Odahh
    obermair ,

    yes the house is not an asset that provide cash flow.. but housing is a necessary life expense ..and if you are planning to live in an area for a lifetime .. buying and paying off a house as fast as possible.. is a good long term investment in security and stability ..

    you need a place to live and you need to eat .. the food you eat is not an asset ..it's always an expense..

    If you are buying a house you want to live in and in an area you want to live in and expect to live there over a long period of time .. it is most likely a better choice than renting for 20 years.. and every time the housing value goes up and ownership of the property changes..your rent increases ..or you just get evicted ..or have a new crap neighbor move in to the apartment next door..
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  • Profile picture of the author Masha Esina
    Its better to be rich than famous
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  • Profile picture of the author ClaudiaStagner
    . . .in short explaination. . .in order for you to be free..you must be successful first and when un successfull..you have freedom to do what u wanted to to. Worldly liberty or success?they both has Definition.
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    You can have both!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jared White
    I like how you put that...big cars and homes are "trappings"
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by Jared White View Post

      I like how you put that...big cars and homes are "trappings"
      This is what people who will never have them, refer to them as. It's an attempt to demean their legitimacy as a way to achieve happiness.

      It's fine if you don't want them for yourself. It's wrong to look down your nose at people who do want them, as if they are somehow doing something wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I do "get" Ryan, a little bit. There was a time , here at the Warrior Forum when I made alot of money by simply "giving", with the intent of freeing people... and that was my entire strategy... just "give" and money flows to you. I get that. It really is true.


    But... YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GIVE, and what I had to give took 20 years of hard work before it was worth giving.


    Thats the part that is missing from most of these posts. They leave alot to be desired in that way... Give "what"? Who do you give it TO? Where do you find them? Do you have enough solid advice to even give? Will you run out of it eventually?


    Giving is absolutely a way to freedom... but you have to have something to give.... otherwise you have to work HARD for 10 or 20 years to gain the experience to give something of value....


    It took me awhile to click on this thread because, in agreement with Opted in... the title itself sounded like horse shit to me.... Its not going to help anyone to just say "give".... What are they going to give...? Worldly success and freedom go hand in hand, unless you want to live off of grub worms, and sleep under a tree...


    In the MMO market , which is where we are right now... You cant give anything until you have been successful at something, and that takes hard work and focus.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      I do "get" Ryan, a little bit. There was a time , here at the Warrior Forum when I made alot of money by simply "giving", with the intent of freeing people... and that was my entire strategy... just "give" and money flows to you. I get that. It really is true.


      But... YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO GIVE, and what I had to give took 20 years of hard work before it was worth giving.


      Thats the part that is missing from most of these posts. They leave alot to be desired in that way... Give "what"? Who do you give it TO? Where do you find them? Do you have enough solid advice to even give? Will you run out of it eventually?


      Giving is absolutely a way to freedom... but you have to have something to give.... otherwise you have to work HARD for 10 or 20 years to gain the experience to give something of value....


      It took me awhile to click on this thread because, in agreement with Opted in... the title itself sounded like horse shit to me.... Its not going to help anyone to just say "give".... What are they going to give...? Worldly success and freedom go hand in hand, unless you want to live off of grub worms, and sleep under a tree...


      In the MMO market , which is where we are right now... You cant give anything until you have been successful at something, and that takes hard work and focus.
      Give. Get. THAT is the formula. Cast your bread on the waters, it returns to you 10 fold. TITHE, and you will be rewarded, pressed down and beyond measure.

      The homeless guy on the corner gives his time, gives his story away for all to see, and he gets. Enough. Enough to come back again and again, to repeat the process.

      Giving what is a fair question. Giving your story, and assuming it is a template, or a road map, or even a guide to help people...is one of the most delusional ideas out there.

      The biggest lie, myth and piece of PROPAGANDA in existence is the mantra..."If I did it, so can you."

      But, the beat goes on.

      Give and get.

      How about giving without expectation? Without a ROI? For the soul and not for the body?

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        How about giving without expectation? Without a ROI? For the soul and not for the body?
        I do this in my private life - not when I was active in business. It's not that I never gave anything away. I was always happy to give a little extra to my best clients, the ones who showed previously that they appreciated it and respected my efforts.

        I worked hard at my business and always believed that if I supplied you with a quality product or service - at a fair price - then I WAS giving you more than you could expect from others. That's how I built a business.

        Working that way enabled me to spend my final years giving as much as I can to deserving causes, expecting nothing in return other than a secure place in the hearts of those who know me best and will benefit from my giving, long after I am gone. You want to show appreciation with a little plaque on a horse barn mentioning my gift - well, it ain't the Hollywood Walk of Fame - but I won't protest. That said, I'm perfectly willing to give, without getting anything material in return. Nothing anyone could do could in anyway inflate my already massive ego. lol

        My business had a top priority. Make as much money as possible, as equitably as possible, so I could always hold my head high and the hope that my name, or the name of my business, would never be uttered in a disparaging way. Of course, in life, there will always be those that think you are a dickhead, but they are the ones that usually know you the least and are working off of limited information. Couldn't care less about that because in reality, I can be a major dickhead, but you can always rest assured that more than likely, that was precisely what I wanted someone to think about me. :-)

        There's nothing more satisfying to the soul than giving, but as John said, it only matters if your giving something of true worth, usually through the culmination of decades of hard work, which brought you to a place in your life where you can now comfortably do so.

        Giving a way some friggin' free eBook is meaningless and should not make you feel like you are Mother Teresa. In truth, no matter how you slice it, those so-called 'givers,' are looking for something in return, down the road. There is nothing pure in their original intent. If someone tells you otherwise, you can probably safely assume, that they are also, dishonest.

        Besides giving in a charitable vein, there is another type of giving that I like to do on a daily basis. I truly enjoy slamming the delicate sensibilities of snowflakes in the hope that I can give them ulcers. I give and I give and I give - and I ask for nothing in return. The simple fact that knowing when they think of me, it's with clenched teeth, tight fists and all the while muttering under their breath - that's all the reward I need. :-)

        Have a great Saturday. I have a radio show to do, to spread my warmth across the Interwebs and the far flung Universe. See that? Always giving.
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      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      unless you want to live off of grub worms, and sleep under a tree...
      The end result of a lifetime of nomadic blogging. "Nomadic," is a nice way of saying, "homeless and hungry."

      BTW - if you '"get" Ryan at any level, you need to leave your brain to science when you pass-on. Obviously, you are carrying an allelomorph that no other human possesses. :-)

      Cheers.
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